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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bob Grey
 

Ken, the hardtop option on the 55 is the only way to go.

Bob Grey

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:03, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bob Grey
 

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

I have been reading the interesting comments regarding the Amel "progression" from the early models through the newer 55. I have a 54 that is nearing ten years old (2007) now. I can attest to the layout differences and can honestly say that I prefer the 54 layout (water-slapping on the stern notwithstanding - yes it is loud, but that is why Amel provided a "pontoon"). I have been on the 55 and feel that it is a huge departure from the Amel philosophy. Even though it had a full aft cabin, I did not like the forward arrangements. One good thing, though, is the fact that you can now walk under the mizzen boom - at least I can. And I do like the coordinated mainsail furling operation.

One of my main peeves with the 55, if you will, is the incredibly high free board. You literally have to climb up into the boat at any normal dock, and it is quite a shock. Although I have not sailed the 55, I have to believe that is not going to be a good thing in high crosswinds. I further do not like the contemporary look of the interior, although that may just be my appeal for the "traditional" look of the SM and 54.

Part of my opinions may stem from the fact that I could not afford a new 55, so I have completely retrofitted my 54 to an almost new condition. That includes (unfortunately) a new Volvo Penta D3-150, which I am expecting in the next month or so. But I have to look at the sliver lining in the cloud - had my engine not failed, I would not have been able to do a full refit.

While there might be those who feel that newer is better, in my opinion the 54 is a better boat - and a true Amel. The 55 appears as a high-class Dufour.

Best wishes to future Amel owners regardless of how they proceed.

Jamie Wendell
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Monday, March 21, 2016 8:49 PM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]"


 
The 55 features a massive aft owner's cabin and it has a large number of features that make it more comfortable to live on than a 53.

The 55 is even easier to sail than the 53.

The 55 keeps most of the classic Amel features and introduces several new Amel features.

The 55 does not have every single feature that the old Amels had.  Some have been superseded.  A few mechanical features such as the mechanical fresh water meter, formerly present, may no longer be there.  If this is critical to one, one should consider an older Amel, but this is no reason to deem the 55 unworthy of its legacy.

The 55 is faster and roomier than prior models and features up-to-date available technologies in many areas that are very difficult or not cost-effective to retrofit to older models.

Is the 55 perfect?  No.  The 54 was not perfect.  The 53 was not perfect.  No boat is perfect.  Every boat is a series of compromises.

The 55 is the contemporary version of an Amel.

If we had the money now, we would have a 55.    As it is, we are very happy with our 53.  Someday, we way upgrade.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
docked Reial Club Maritim, Barcelona




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

 Having sold the first amount 55 in the US I can attest that they are fine yacht with lots of room Inside with water supply that's been moved under the galley. A keel that no longer has a tank. the boat is faster more agile it incorporates a huge number of advancements in technology they are great boats. Come  see in the Bermuda race.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 21, 2016, at 20:49, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The 55 features a massive aft owner's cabin and it has a large number of features that make it more comfortable to live on than a 53.


The 55 is even easier to sail than the 53.


The 55 keeps most of the classic Amel features and introduces several new Amel features.


The 55 does not have every single feature that the old Amels had.  Some have been superseded.  A few mechanical features such as the mechanical fresh water meter, formerly present, may no longer be there.  If this is critical to one, one should consider an older Amel, but this is no reason to deem the 55 unworthy of its legacy.


The 55 is faster and roomier than prior models and features up-to-date available technologies in many areas that are very difficult or not cost-effective to retrofit to older models.


Is the 55 perfect?  No.  The 54 was not perfect.  The 53 was not perfect.  No boat is perfect.  Every boat is a series of compromises.


The 55 is the contemporary version of an Amel.


If we had the money now, we would have a 55.    As it is, we are very happy with our 53.  Someday, we way upgrade.


Cheerio,



Peregrinus

SM2K N. 350

docked Reial Club Maritim, Barcelona



A take on the 55

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

The 55 features a massive aft owner's cabin and it has a large number of features that make it more comfortable to live on than a 53.


The 55 is even easier to sail than the 53.


The 55 keeps most of the classic Amel features and introduces several new Amel features.


The 55 does not have every single feature that the old Amels had.  Some have been superseded.  A few mechanical features such as the mechanical fresh water meter, formerly present, may no longer be there.  If this is critical to one, one should consider an older Amel, but this is no reason to deem the 55 unworthy of its legacy.


The 55 is faster and roomier than prior models and features up-to-date available technologies in many areas that are very difficult or not cost-effective to retrofit to older models.


Is the 55 perfect?  No.  The 54 was not perfect.  The 53 was not perfect.  No boat is perfect.  Every boat is a series of compromises.


The 55 is the contemporary version of an Amel.


If we had the money now, we would have a 55.    As it is, we are very happy with our 53.  Someday, we way upgrade.


Cheerio,



Peregrinus

SM2K N. 350

docked Reial Club Maritim, Barcelona



Anchor Chain Counter

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi all,


Over the last few months my chain counter stopped working properly.  When raising the chain it keeps adding up, ie. it keeps adding on instead of subtracting.  I have a spare IFM IB5076 sensor which I changed today but I still get the same result.  Has anybody experienced that?  Any advice?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

First time I dove the hub was still on the Delrin Hub (the pin was gone, slide out)

When I put on spare the propeller I put a new pin and new Nylon bold.
I was able to use the bow thruster for 4 burst of 4 second each, then lost it again.

But before I write more in it for now, I want to document the incident, show pictures, etc. explain step by step everything.

Paul, interesting with the propeller being burst apart…

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 8:42 AM


 









Alex,
I know that you know this, but you
did not mention the stainless steel pin that
goes through the hub.
If that pin was inserted through the
Delrin® hub and thruster shaft before the propeller was
screwed to the hub, what happened to the
pin??? 
You said that
you found "both propeller with the 6 nylon bol(t)
still attached to it." If the nylon bolts were attached
to the propeller, they had to still be screwed into the hub,
or else, the bolts would fall out...right?
I am confused.
Alex &
Paul,I wonder if there are some
out-of-spec hubs being made and distributed? Do you know the
origin of your hub. I seem to remember that one owner had
some hubs machined out of Nylon rather than Delrin® and
they fell apart rapidly.
Bill
BillBeBe
387
On Mon,
Mar 21, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good morning Paul,



I haven’t posted the detail on the forum yet, but I found
both propeller with the 6 nylon bold still attached to it…
there was also nothing in the water to cause the failure.


To me it looks like the thread on the hubs holding the nylon
bold failed…

Since I used that same hub and propeller, I don’t think it
is a production issue, but rather an age/ware issue (of the
hub).

By the center part of the propeller burst into pieces, do
you mean the propeller itself? Or (what I call) the hub on
which the nylon screws are bolt on?

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 3/21/16, osterberg.paul.l@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft
seal on SM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 4:55 AM





 



















Hello!AlexandreI also lost my

bow-thruster propeller after overhauling the whole
thruster

with new bearings and lip seal.When in the water

I used it less than 5 seconds and suddenly the revs went
up

on the motor. There was nothing in the water to get into
the

propellar so I do not know the cause. When taken out the

thurster shaft I found no propellar, but the center
piece

with still three of the nylon screws on. Strange that
means

that the whole center of the propellar that should be
the

most massive part has burst into pieces. Can it be a miss
in

the production?Paul on S/Y Kerpa





















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

karkauai
 

Thanks Bill!  That's exactly what I wanted to know.
Kent


On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,


Since Don has sold Harmonie to me (Thank you Don and Ann!)  I will answer your question.  

The fuses Don installed are on the positive terminal of each 24 volt pair of batteries.  They are 125 Amp fuses which would allow about a 500 amp draw from the battery bank.  Probably one would fail a little below this, since the amp draw from the four 24 volt pairs would likely not be exactly identical, especially at very high draws.

The engine electrical system is protected with a 300 Amp fuse mounted in the same style holder on the engine starting battery.

These fuses are a simple and elegant system for protecting the heaviest wires in the electrical system.

Assuming you take advantage of the full 150% fuse rating over the wire ampacity, a 300 Amp fuse would protect 105 degree C rated wiring down to about 2 AWG (34 mm^2)  Smaller wires would still be a risk if not otherwise protected.  The four parallel 125 amp fuses (500 Amps total) would safely protect wires 2/0 AWG (68 mm^2) or larger.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On Mar 21, 2016, at 09:12, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks every one. Don, did you use the 300A fuses ?
Thanks
Kent


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:30 AM, svharmonie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Blue Sea Systems make a fuse holder and fuses which mount directly on the battery.  This is a relatively low cost way of complying with this standard and protecting the larger wiring circuits.  We installed fuses on each pair of batteries in the bank as well as the starting battery.  We have not had a fuse blow in the three years that they have been installed.  This has not caused problems with the thruster or any other equipment.


Don Myers

Harmonie, SM160




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

You say, "..as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub."

Was the hub still on the shaft of the bow thruster and the propeller broke off of the hub? I have seen this happen before with a propeller from Amel. But possibly this propeller was from somewhere else.

There was a SM in Gocek which had been owned by a friend of mine from Chile. He sold it to a Turkish guy and it is now in Boston and owned by Bill Maffei. 

Anyway, my friend's son was in the surfboard manufacturing business and made 5 or 6 bow thruster propellers for his father. He had promised me one of those propellers, but when the new owner took possession, he could not find any of the propellers. There may be no connection.

I bought a bow thruster propeller in Gocek, but it is obviously from Amel.

Let me know the color of the propeller that fell apart.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:56 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill!

The hub and propeller was from a common friend in Turkey, Nothing wrong with the hub, but the propeller has obvious gone into pieces, as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub.

Paul
Kerpa 259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Kent,

Since Don has sold Harmonie to me (Thank you Don and Ann!)  I will answer your question.  

The fuses Don installed are on the positive terminal of each 24 volt pair of batteries.  They are 125 Amp fuses which would allow about a 500 amp draw from the battery bank.  Probably one would fail a little below this, since the amp draw from the four 24 volt pairs would likely not be exactly identical, especially at very high draws.

The engine electrical system is protected with a 300 Amp fuse mounted in the same style holder on the engine starting battery.

These fuses are a simple and elegant system for protecting the heaviest wires in the electrical system.

Assuming you take advantage of the full 150% fuse rating over the wire ampacity, a 300 Amp fuse would protect 105 degree C rated wiring down to about 2 AWG (34 mm^2)  Smaller wires would still be a risk if not otherwise protected.  The four parallel 125 amp fuses (500 Amps total) would safely protect wires 2/0 AWG (68 mm^2) or larger.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On Mar 21, 2016, at 09:12, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks every one. Don, did you use the 300A fuses ?
Thanks
Kent


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:30 AM, svharmonie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Blue Sea Systems make a fuse holder and fuses which mount directly on the battery.  This is a relatively low cost way of complying with this standard and protecting the larger wiring circuits.  We installed fuses on each pair of batteries in the bank as well as the starting battery.  We have not had a fuse blow in the three years that they have been installed.  This has not caused problems with the thruster or any other equipment.


Don Myers

Harmonie, SM160




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
The hub and propeller was from a common friend in Turkey, Nothing wrong with the hub, but the propeller has obvious gone into pieces, as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub.

Paul
Kerpa 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Alexandre!
It was the propeller itself, the nylon hub with the screws was total intakt except three of he nylon screws that was broken
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I know that you know this, but you did not mention the stainless steel pin that goes through the hub.

If that pin was inserted through the Delrin® hub and thruster shaft before the propeller was screwed to the hub, what happened to the pin??? 

You said that you found "both propeller with the 6 nylon bol(t) still attached to it." If the nylon bolts were attached to the propeller, they had to still be screwed into the hub, or else, the bolts would fall out...right?

I am confused.

Alex & Paul,
I wonder if there are some out-of-spec hubs being made and distributed? Do you know the origin of your hub. I seem to remember that one owner had some hubs machined out of Nylon rather than Delrin® and they fell apart rapidly.

Bill

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul,

I haven’t posted the detail on the forum yet, but I found both propeller with the 6 nylon bold still attached to it… there was also nothing in the water to cause the failure.
To me it looks like the thread on the hubs holding the nylon bold failed…
Since I used that same hub and propeller, I don’t think it is a production issue, but rather an age/ware issue (of the hub).
By the center part of the propeller burst into pieces, do you mean the propeller itself? Or (what I call) the hub on which the nylon screws are bolt on?
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 4:55 AM


 









Hello!AlexandreI also lost my
bow-thruster propeller after overhauling the whole thruster
with new bearings and lip seal.When in the water
I used it less than 5 seconds and suddenly the revs went up
on the motor. There was nothing in the water to get into the
propellar so I do not know the cause. When taken out the
thurster shaft I found no propellar, but the center piece
with still three of the nylon screws on. Strange that means
that the whole center of the propellar that should be the
most massive part has burst into pieces. Can it be a miss in
the production?Paul on S/Y Kerpa










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Sounds interesting.  This would be a great opportunity. 

Could you ensure the new owner would be comfortable with such a thing?  Also, see if my wife could join or just me.  

Also, could you be more specific on how many days at sea, (up to week would be fine with us) and check if owner speaks English or what the language spoken aboard is. 

Thank you.

Ken





From: "Mawgan Grace gashman@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Hi everyone,

I live on my Super Maramu but am also a broker for Northrop & Johnson representing Amel in Asia. The 55 can be configured either with two aft cabins both doubles or one huge owners stateroom. The forward cabin is still a guest cabin but with a stand alone bed and ensuite bathroom. 

I was sceptical of the 55 being a true Amel until I visited the yard in La Rochelle and spent the afternoon sailing one. Amel like any other company or shipyard must adapt to the market and technology. I believe the 55 is a natural progression of the pedigree keeping the fundamentals of old but has moved the brand forward without compromise. 

Regards,

Mawgan Grace
SM Jovic #310 Hong Kong

On 21 Mar 2016, at 10:57, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Wow!   Great timing for me.  Thank you so much.   I have to agree with your over-all position that marketing must have gotten too much power after the Master passed away.  Although I have yet to own an Amel, I am a fan of the brilliant dedication to its purpose.  And as a seasoned offshore sailor, I could not understand the layout change to something more like a Beneateau with a forward cabin that is not a serious passage making choice.   Your other details have confirmed an unfortunate move to the mean of production boats.  While my plans have not wavered to obtain an Amel for our planned circumnavigation, I am leaning towards a 54, and make her Bristol. 

Having said all that, I would love to hear from a 55 owner as to the usability of the forward master stateroom during offshore conditions on extended passages.   Thank you all.   You are a very generous owners group.  

Ken



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

kennetholsen468@...
 

Greg -- thank you so much for the response.  I truly appreciate your input.