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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

karkauai
 

Thanks Bill!  That's exactly what I wanted to know.
Kent


On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,


Since Don has sold Harmonie to me (Thank you Don and Ann!)  I will answer your question.  

The fuses Don installed are on the positive terminal of each 24 volt pair of batteries.  They are 125 Amp fuses which would allow about a 500 amp draw from the battery bank.  Probably one would fail a little below this, since the amp draw from the four 24 volt pairs would likely not be exactly identical, especially at very high draws.

The engine electrical system is protected with a 300 Amp fuse mounted in the same style holder on the engine starting battery.

These fuses are a simple and elegant system for protecting the heaviest wires in the electrical system.

Assuming you take advantage of the full 150% fuse rating over the wire ampacity, a 300 Amp fuse would protect 105 degree C rated wiring down to about 2 AWG (34 mm^2)  Smaller wires would still be a risk if not otherwise protected.  The four parallel 125 amp fuses (500 Amps total) would safely protect wires 2/0 AWG (68 mm^2) or larger.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On Mar 21, 2016, at 09:12, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks every one. Don, did you use the 300A fuses ?
Thanks
Kent


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:30 AM, svharmonie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Blue Sea Systems make a fuse holder and fuses which mount directly on the battery.  This is a relatively low cost way of complying with this standard and protecting the larger wiring circuits.  We installed fuses on each pair of batteries in the bank as well as the starting battery.  We have not had a fuse blow in the three years that they have been installed.  This has not caused problems with the thruster or any other equipment.


Don Myers

Harmonie, SM160




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

You say, "..as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub."

Was the hub still on the shaft of the bow thruster and the propeller broke off of the hub? I have seen this happen before with a propeller from Amel. But possibly this propeller was from somewhere else.

There was a SM in Gocek which had been owned by a friend of mine from Chile. He sold it to a Turkish guy and it is now in Boston and owned by Bill Maffei. 

Anyway, my friend's son was in the surfboard manufacturing business and made 5 or 6 bow thruster propellers for his father. He had promised me one of those propellers, but when the new owner took possession, he could not find any of the propellers. There may be no connection.

I bought a bow thruster propeller in Gocek, but it is obviously from Amel.

Let me know the color of the propeller that fell apart.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:56 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill!

The hub and propeller was from a common friend in Turkey, Nothing wrong with the hub, but the propeller has obvious gone into pieces, as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub.

Paul
Kerpa 259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Kent,

Since Don has sold Harmonie to me (Thank you Don and Ann!)  I will answer your question.  

The fuses Don installed are on the positive terminal of each 24 volt pair of batteries.  They are 125 Amp fuses which would allow about a 500 amp draw from the battery bank.  Probably one would fail a little below this, since the amp draw from the four 24 volt pairs would likely not be exactly identical, especially at very high draws.

The engine electrical system is protected with a 300 Amp fuse mounted in the same style holder on the engine starting battery.

These fuses are a simple and elegant system for protecting the heaviest wires in the electrical system.

Assuming you take advantage of the full 150% fuse rating over the wire ampacity, a 300 Amp fuse would protect 105 degree C rated wiring down to about 2 AWG (34 mm^2)  Smaller wires would still be a risk if not otherwise protected.  The four parallel 125 amp fuses (500 Amps total) would safely protect wires 2/0 AWG (68 mm^2) or larger.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On Mar 21, 2016, at 09:12, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks every one. Don, did you use the 300A fuses ?
Thanks
Kent


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:30 AM, svharmonie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Blue Sea Systems make a fuse holder and fuses which mount directly on the battery.  This is a relatively low cost way of complying with this standard and protecting the larger wiring circuits.  We installed fuses on each pair of batteries in the bank as well as the starting battery.  We have not had a fuse blow in the three years that they have been installed.  This has not caused problems with the thruster or any other equipment.


Don Myers

Harmonie, SM160




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
The hub and propeller was from a common friend in Turkey, Nothing wrong with the hub, but the propeller has obvious gone into pieces, as it was still three nylon screws intact on the hub.

Paul
Kerpa 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Alexandre!
It was the propeller itself, the nylon hub with the screws was total intakt except three of he nylon screws that was broken
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I know that you know this, but you did not mention the stainless steel pin that goes through the hub.

If that pin was inserted through the Delrin® hub and thruster shaft before the propeller was screwed to the hub, what happened to the pin??? 

You said that you found "both propeller with the 6 nylon bol(t) still attached to it." If the nylon bolts were attached to the propeller, they had to still be screwed into the hub, or else, the bolts would fall out...right?

I am confused.

Alex & Paul,
I wonder if there are some out-of-spec hubs being made and distributed? Do you know the origin of your hub. I seem to remember that one owner had some hubs machined out of Nylon rather than Delrin® and they fell apart rapidly.

Bill

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul,

I haven’t posted the detail on the forum yet, but I found both propeller with the 6 nylon bold still attached to it… there was also nothing in the water to cause the failure.
To me it looks like the thread on the hubs holding the nylon bold failed…
Since I used that same hub and propeller, I don’t think it is a production issue, but rather an age/ware issue (of the hub).
By the center part of the propeller burst into pieces, do you mean the propeller itself? Or (what I call) the hub on which the nylon screws are bolt on?
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/21/16, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 4:55 AM


 









Hello!AlexandreI also lost my
bow-thruster propeller after overhauling the whole thruster
with new bearings and lip seal.When in the water
I used it less than 5 seconds and suddenly the revs went up
on the motor. There was nothing in the water to get into the
propellar so I do not know the cause. When taken out the
thurster shaft I found no propellar, but the center piece
with still three of the nylon screws on. Strange that means
that the whole center of the propellar that should be the
most massive part has burst into pieces. Can it be a miss in
the production?Paul on S/Y Kerpa










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Sounds interesting.  This would be a great opportunity. 

Could you ensure the new owner would be comfortable with such a thing?  Also, see if my wife could join or just me.  

Also, could you be more specific on how many days at sea, (up to week would be fine with us) and check if owner speaks English or what the language spoken aboard is. 

Thank you.

Ken





From: "Mawgan Grace gashman@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Hi everyone,

I live on my Super Maramu but am also a broker for Northrop & Johnson representing Amel in Asia. The 55 can be configured either with two aft cabins both doubles or one huge owners stateroom. The forward cabin is still a guest cabin but with a stand alone bed and ensuite bathroom. 

I was sceptical of the 55 being a true Amel until I visited the yard in La Rochelle and spent the afternoon sailing one. Amel like any other company or shipyard must adapt to the market and technology. I believe the 55 is a natural progression of the pedigree keeping the fundamentals of old but has moved the brand forward without compromise. 

Regards,

Mawgan Grace
SM Jovic #310 Hong Kong

On 21 Mar 2016, at 10:57, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Wow!   Great timing for me.  Thank you so much.   I have to agree with your over-all position that marketing must have gotten too much power after the Master passed away.  Although I have yet to own an Amel, I am a fan of the brilliant dedication to its purpose.  And as a seasoned offshore sailor, I could not understand the layout change to something more like a Beneateau with a forward cabin that is not a serious passage making choice.   Your other details have confirmed an unfortunate move to the mean of production boats.  While my plans have not wavered to obtain an Amel for our planned circumnavigation, I am leaning towards a 54, and make her Bristol. 

Having said all that, I would love to hear from a 55 owner as to the usability of the forward master stateroom during offshore conditions on extended passages.   Thank you all.   You are a very generous owners group.  

Ken



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

kennetholsen468@...
 

Greg -- thank you so much for the response.  I truly appreciate your input.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

karkauai
 

Thanks every one. Don, did you use the 300A fuses ?
Thanks
Kent


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:30 AM, svharmonie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Blue Sea Systems make a fuse holder and fuses which mount directly on the battery.  This is a relatively low cost way of complying with this standard and protecting the larger wiring circuits.  We installed fuses on each pair of batteries in the bank as well as the starting battery.  We have not had a fuse blow in the three years that they have been installed.  This has not caused problems with the thruster or any other equipment.


Don Myers

Harmonie, SM160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Paul,

I haven’t posted the detail on the forum yet, but I found both propeller with the 6 nylon bold still attached to it… there was also nothing in the water to cause the failure.
To me it looks like the thread on the hubs holding the nylon bold failed…
Since I used that same hub and propeller, I don’t think it is a production issue, but rather an age/ware issue (of the hub).
By the center part of the propeller burst into pieces, do you mean the propeller itself? Or (what I call) the hub on which the nylon screws are bolt on?
Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 3/21/16, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 4:55 AM


 









Hello!AlexandreI also lost my
bow-thruster propeller after overhauling the whole thruster
with new bearings and lip seal.When in the water
I used it less than 5 seconds and suddenly the revs went up
on the motor. There was nothing in the water to get into the
propellar so I do not know the cause. When taken out the
thurster shaft I found no propellar, but the center piece
with still three of the nylon screws on. Strange that means
that the whole center of the propellar that should be the
most massive part has burst into pieces. Can it be a miss in
the production?Paul on S/Y Kerpa










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat “should” be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic




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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bob Grey
 

Ken, I have an Amel 55 with a single aft owners cabin, there are two designs of aft layout, but would suggest get the single aft cabin as I agree with you about a bow cabin being less comfortable sailing, but comfortable at anchor. 

Robert Grey
Renaissance 3

On Monday, March 21, 2016, 07:18, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

One thing I find counter-intuitive about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54 had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.  Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel 54 and 55.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
Alexandre
I also lost my bow-thruster propeller after overhauling the whole thruster with new bearings and lip seal.
When in the water I used it less than 5 seconds and suddenly the revs went up on the motor. There was nothing in the water to get into the propellar so I do not know the cause. When taken out the thurster shaft I found no propellar, but the center piece with still three of the nylon screws on. Strange that means that the whole center of the propellar that should be the most massive part has burst into pieces. Can it be a miss in the production?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Jean Boucharlat
 

Re Amel 55 layout et al.

 

Kenneth, I am very much in agreement with your assessment of the 54 vs. 55 layout.

 

If it can be of any help in forming your own opinion, or confusing you thoroughly, I am reiterating what I wrote a few months back concerning both boats:

 

“Having been a very satisfied owner of two boats bought new from Amel, one Maramu in 1981 and one SM in 1998, and having trialed the 55 as well as the 54, at my point in life (74), I would certainly consider owning a 54 but not a 55. Why? Because the 55, in my opinion, is definitely a faster sailing boat than her predecessors but she is probably not a better cruising boat. Here are my reasons:

 

Positives of the 55:

 

Faster boat, pointing higher than a 54 or SM, due to a good hull design by Racoupeau

No slapping of waves against the hull in the aft cabin, again due to a better hull design by Racoupeau

Rudder stock going through the hull in a watertight compartment (the lazarette) making for a safer arrangement

 

Negatives of the 55:

 

Very high freeboard

One more step (4 against 3) to go up or down from cockpit to saloon

Very deep engine room, difficult to access, and very narrow to work in, by virtue of its very depth

Disappearance of the large, and extremely useful, port cockpit locker, now replaced by a small and shallow little thing, hardly sufficient for ropes.

Spreaders too angled. This makes for better pointing but also considerably more mainsail chafing when abeam, a more usual point of sail when cruising.

No traveler to control the mainsail shape

Shroud chain plates not on the gunwales but moved inside, making it significantly more difficult to walk forward

Helmsman seat much too large and permanent table in the cockpit both make for an uncomfortable cockpit, much reduced in usable space.

And for the “coup de grâce”, the extraordinarily practical water meter stick has now disappeared!

The fuel tank new location (starboard rear passageway) makes for a fluctuating counterweight to the heavy portside generator, as fuel is being consumed gradually.

 

Having said all this, I’d rather be at sea in a 55 than an Oyster, but I am disappointed that Jean-Jacques Lemonnier has seen fit to discard so many of the excellent features of Amel’s previous designs.”

 

I would go so far as to say that Amel is now “managed” rather than driven by a strong willed, and occasionally cantankerous, mind such as Henri Amel. “Management” means “marketing” which means designing to the wishes of a public that has very little experience with boats. It’s a great pity as I do not know of any other yard that had come so close to building the nearly perfect cruising boat.

 

All in all I consider the 54 as the last “real” Amel, but the 55 remains much better than most other boats in its category.

 

And now, the decision is yours….!

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: dimanche 20 mars 2016 16:07
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 

 

One thing I find counter-intuitive about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54 had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.  Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel 54 and 55.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Mawgan grace
 

Hi everyone,

I live on my Super Maramu but am also a broker for Northrop & Johnson representing Amel in Asia. The 55 can be configured either with two aft cabins both doubles or one huge owners stateroom. The forward cabin is still a guest cabin but with a stand alone bed and ensuite bathroom. 

I was sceptical of the 55 being a true Amel until I visited the yard in La Rochelle and spent the afternoon sailing one. Amel like any other company or shipyard must adapt to the market and technology. I believe the 55 is a natural progression of the pedigree keeping the fundamentals of old but has moved the brand forward without compromise. 

Regards,

Mawgan Grace
SM Jovic #310 Hong Kong

On 21 Mar 2016, at 10:57, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wow!   Great timing for me.  Thank you so much.   I have to agree with your over-all position that marketing must have gotten too much power after the Master passed away.  Although I have yet to own an Amel, I am a fan of the brilliant dedication to its purpose.  And as a seasoned offshore sailor, I could not understand the layout change to something more like a Beneateau with a forward cabin that is not a serious passage making choice.   Your other details have confirmed an unfortunate move to the mean of production boats.  While my plans have not wavered to obtain an Amel for our planned circumnavigation, I am leaning towards a 54, and make her Bristol. 


Having said all that, I would love to hear from a 55 owner as to the usability of the forward master stateroom during offshore conditions on extended passages.   Thank you all.   You are a very generous owners group.  

Ken


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

kennetholsen468@...
 

Wow!   Great timing for me.  Thank you so much.   I have to agree with your over-all position that marketing must have gotten too much power after the Master passed away.  Although I have yet to own an Amel, I am a fan of the brilliant dedication to its purpose.  And as a seasoned offshore sailor, I could not understand the layout change to something more like a Beneateau with a forward cabin that is not a serious passage making choice.   Your other details have confirmed an unfortunate move to the mean of production boats.  While my plans have not wavered to obtain an Amel for our planned circumnavigation, I am leaning towards a 54, and make her Bristol. 

Having said all that, I would love to hear from a 55 owner as to the usability of the forward master stateroom during offshore conditions on extended passages.   Thank you all.   You are a very generous owners group.  

Ken


Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

greatketch@...
 

I certainly like the way Amel designed the SM, or I would not have bought one.  And this does not apply specifically to my boat, because the previous owner installed battery terminal fuses to cover the issue for me. But... there seems to be a basic misunderstanding about what a fuse is FOR in a circuit. 

Putting a fuse in the bowthruster circuit (for example) is NOT done to protect the thruster motor.  It CAN NOT prevent overheating or any other problem with the motor before the motor self destructs.  The fuse is there to protect the WIRING. 

Anyone who has ever seen a dead short across a 12 volt battery knows that wires melt, and burst into flame--even vaporize--when fully shorted.  Fuse and wire should NEVER fail under any normal load imposed by properly designed motor circuit--even an overloaded motor.  But when there is a dead short, things get VERY scary in a real hurry if there is not a fuse in the system.

Note that a fuse is very different than a motor with internal thermal protection. Most non-Amel thruster motors are thermally protected, and will be shut down by an internal thermostat if used too long and hard, and will not run again until they cool off. A non-thermally protected motor will not start a fire if it overheats, it will just melt  down and die.  Making the choice to not thermally protect the motor is a reasonable risk/benefit balance that will varies from one application to another.  It is a completely different choice, with completely different consequences than not installing a fuse.

BUT... maybe someone can explain to me why Amel wire runs are impossible to short circuit and therefore do not require fuse protection at the supply end?

If your answer is that Amel is always perfect, then I will show you how the fuel tank gauge was installed in my boat, and you can explain to me how that is the perfect solution...

Excuse me if I am a bit paranoid, but I have seen four boat fires, and extinguished three of them. (None my boats, thank heaven!) All three of those were of electrical origin.  Fire on a boat scares me way more than it frightens my insurance company!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Port Canaveral, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

karkauai
 

I'm a believer, Bill, but I need insurance.
Kent



From: "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Overcurrent Protection on Winches, Windlass, and Bowthruster

 
You can believe or be sorry...it is your choice.

Bill
BeBe 387