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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Thanks, guys.  Sounds about right.  I appreciate all the input.  Now I just want to get on one myself!

From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  For what it is worth, we had 1 crew with us on our recent Atlantic crossing. He slept in the bow berth on BeBe SM 387.He was fine with it, but said one night he slept very little and was airborne more than berth-born. Bill
BeBeOn Mar 24, 2016 05:52, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30 knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.
Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.
Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave slap under the stern to annoy you.


BobPS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to bail out when the crunch time comes.

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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
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After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

For what it is worth, we had 1 crew with us on our recent Atlantic
crossing. He slept in the bow berth on BeBe SM 387.

He was fine with it, but said one night he slept very little and was
airborne more than berth-born.

Bill
BeBe
On Mar 24, 2016 05:52, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30
knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the
cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.

Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.

Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave
slap under the stern to annoy you.


Bob
PS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to
bail out when the crunch time comes.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large
portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples
joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having
many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually
comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually
service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward
cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


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*From:* "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
*To:* "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and
although I can fault small things, mostly third party products,
desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling
or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed
Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern
Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many
years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not
had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I
don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water
and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably
never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel
tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the
boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit,
give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small
rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the
alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a
cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on
another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be
for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their
boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel
owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots
of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more
accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was
1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was
smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did
things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Bob Grey
 

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Ken I have sailed her about 5000nm with all cabins occupied. In 20-30 knots, the passageway berth is best, followed by the stern cabin, then the cockpit seats, then the bow cabin.
Light winds 10-15 anywhere or any cabin is fine.
Anchored in a bay the bow cabin is the best as there is still some wave slap under the stern to annoy you.


BobPS don't expect to actually have people sail with you, they mostly seem to bail out when the crunch time comes.

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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:28, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Thomas Janicki <tbjanicki@...>
 

looking at the pics on one of the rebuilds there was no hole in the top.


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I'll be back on Kristy in a week.  If no one has it for you by then, I'll get it.

On my boat, the knob had a hole in the top where the pin went through and was secured with a nut.  I'm not sure how the knob you've drawn will attach to the pin.  If it's threaded I don't think you will be able to screw it on as the pin turns too easily.  Can someone who has the original knob elucidate?
.Thanks again.

Kent
SM243


On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:48 PM, tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I have been down to see this boat, that is a good idea, I have also made a print that needs input. I will post today. it will be next week before I can get down to Kemah.

Thomas
s/v ????



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

karkauai
 

I'll be back on Kristy in a week.  If no one has it for you by then, I'll get it.

On my boat, the knob had a hole in the top where the pin went through and was secured with a nut.  I'm not sure how the knob you've drawn will attach to the pin.  If it's threaded I don't think you will be able to screw it on as the pin turns too easily.  Can someone who has the original knob elucidate?
.Thanks again.

Kent
SM243


On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:48 PM, tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been down to see this boat, that is a good idea, I have also made a print that needs input. I will post today. it will be next week before I can get down to Kemah.

Thomas
s/v ????


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

I inspected Lady H in Kemah.

I estimated between $150k and 200k in repairs.

You can email me at svbebe at gmail dot com

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:48 PM, tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have been down to see this boat, that is a good idea, I have also made a print that needs input. I will post today. it will be next week before I can get down to Kemah.

Thomas
s/v ????



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

tbjanicki@...
 

I have been down to see this boat, that is a good idea, I have also made a print that needs input. I will post today. it will be next week before I can get down to Kemah.

Thomas
s/v ????


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ordering From Amel

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Eric,

Sorry it took me so long. The prop bearing for my Santorin were made by Metal Craft Engineering, Inc. in Annapolis. You can reach them by metalcraft11@... or call 410-269-5370.  They cost me under $700. For 2 of them. What we could do is compare my extra with your bearing, order 2 more and let you have mine, if you need to splash quickly. I might add that these guys are classic “old School” and extremely talented. I once lost a tip on my reaching pole. The reached into some dark recess, pulled up grey Delrin type material and made the tip in 1 hour!! Now if I could only find a spare bow thruster prop for a Santorin.

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai Annapolis

SN24 1990

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ordering From Amel

 

 

Rick...you have a santorin.

 

my boat is in Deltaville.  where did you get them made at?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

We said and a bit of an early welcome to the group.
We help each other.  This has been a great I need a hand site.
 
Fair Winds and Smooth Sailing to ALL
Capt. Richard Piller
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI
603 767 5330


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:00 AM, "Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I hope no one took my own inquiries about the layout of the 55 as derogatory -- I'm in love with Amel and chomping at the bit to land one.  I didn't mean to bring the group down a rabbit hole or anything. 
Just doing my own assessment of pros and cons of 54 v. 55.  I would be in heaven with either.  This is almost a Sophie's Choice -- unfair to have to choose, but chose we must.  

I have never participated in a yahoo group before that displays so much knowledge and passion about their brand.  If there's anything positively clear about the last few days of discussion, it's that everyone who owns their Amel and participated in these threads is loyal and passionate about Amel and protective of its reputation.  I'm extremely impressed by that.   Thank you for jumping on my neophyte questions with such much energy.  I know it is all constructive and well motivated and I certainly do not compare these with with "B" word boats.  I could not live with myself for settling for such a thing.   I only meant to compare layout trends and not build quality, reputation, over-all value, etc.   


m: "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]"


To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

 
I think before we all run off half-cocked on stories and rumors, about how far Amel has fallen, maybe we should actually look at what Amel says.  This is cut and pasted from their current Amel 55 web brochure (link here: http://www.amel.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AMEL-55-standard-equipment-January-2016.pdf)
  • Frame structure in polyurethane omega-foam and plywood, laminated to the hull, as is all the joinery structure (bulkheads, furniture units, lockers, etc.)
  • This system guarantees the highest rigidity of the whole unit and optimises load spread. Compression forces from the masts /rigging are compensated by a structure of support pillars for the masts and chain plate tie-rods laminated to the hull for the rigging.
  • The bulkheads are glued and laminated with the deck. 4 of them are watertight bulkheads with isolation valves.
  • Composite Roving 71 glass fiber/isophtalic resin and balsa sandwich deck moulded by the same process as the hull (the deck is glued and laminated to the hull and the bulkheads).
That very much sounds like their tried and true production techniques to me…  Always remember—half of everything you read on the internet is wrong, and the rest is suspect!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida

On Mar 22, 2016, at 23:59, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I am stunned !!
The structural  integrity of the Amel monocoque was one of the main reasons I bought an SM.
I find it hard to believe that they would stop doing this....and especially for reasons of weight.
How much extra weight would be involved...seriously ?
Alan
Elsye SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

I hope no one took my own inquiries about the layout of the 55 as derogatory -- I'm in love with Amel and chomping at the bit to land one.  I didn't mean to bring the group down a rabbit hole or anything. 
Just doing my own assessment of pros and cons of 54 v. 55.  I would be in heaven with either.  This is almost a Sophie's Choice -- unfair to have to choose, but chose we must.  

I have never participated in a yahoo group before that displays so much knowledge and passion about their brand.  If there's anything positively clear about the last few days of discussion, it's that everyone who owns their Amel and participated in these threads is loyal and passionate about Amel and protective of its reputation.  I'm extremely impressed by that.   Thank you for jumping on my neophyte questions with such much energy.  I know it is all constructive and well motivated and I certainly do not compare these with with "B" word boats.  I could not live with myself for settling for such a thing.   I only meant to compare layout trends and not build quality, reputation, over-all value, etc.   


m: "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]"


To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

 
I think before we all run off half-cocked on stories and rumors, about how far Amel has fallen, maybe we should actually look at what Amel says.  This is cut and pasted from their current Amel 55 web brochure (link here: http://www.amel.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AMEL-55-standard-equipment-January-2016.pdf)
  • Frame structure in polyurethane omega-foam and plywood, laminated to the hull, as is all the joinery structure (bulkheads, furniture units, lockers, etc.)
  • This system guarantees the highest rigidity of the whole unit and optimises load spread. Compression forces from the masts /rigging are compensated by a structure of support pillars for the masts and chain plate tie-rods laminated to the hull for the rigging.
  • The bulkheads are glued and laminated with the deck. 4 of them are watertight bulkheads with isolation valves.
  • Composite Roving 71 glass fiber/isophtalic resin and balsa sandwich deck moulded by the same process as the hull (the deck is glued and laminated to the hull and the bulkheads).
That very much sounds like their tried and true production techniques to me…  Always remember—half of everything you read on the internet is wrong, and the rest is suspect!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida

On Mar 22, 2016, at 23:59, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I am stunned !!
The structural  integrity of the Amel monocoque was one of the main reasons I bought an SM.
I find it hard to believe that they would stop doing this....and especially for reasons of weight.
How much extra weight would be involved...seriously ?
Alan
Elsye SM437





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A take on the 55

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Olivier,

Thanks for an informed and accurate comment. I have owned a Beneteau. Anyone who thinks that Amel builds boats like Beneteau, either does not know Beneteau or Amel.

I can see some design appearances between Amel and Beneteau, but those come from Beneteau's passion to build boats that appear to follow current trends and build them as cheap as possible for their number one customer, charter companies.

Like I have said, when a company faces a radical design appearance change to update the look of their products, execution of the change requires that top management get their team, their customer base and the new potential customers on-board. I know that management failed with 2 out of 3 of these. It would be so easy for the current CEO to do something about this. I spent years in Crisis Management and Turnarounds. I wish I could have a conversation with him. Anyone that knows him, please send him my email address svbebe at gmail.com.

Thanks again, Olivier for the information.

The 55 is beautiful. And, I can stand under the mizzen boom without hitting my head. I think the best model is the hardtop, and I would opt for a large berth aft, rather than 2.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mar 23, 2016 07:28, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello all of you happy AMEL owners,

I think it's time I say something... while my friend Joel must be in a place where there is no internet as he did not reply yet to Mr. Galacsea.

AMEL is building the 55 and the 64 just like all of the other models (from Kirk, Euros, Meltem, Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, SM up to the 54).
The hull, in the mould, receives most of the bulkheads, stringers, cabinets boards, engine supports, etc.. that are bonded with GRP to the hull. The deck is still installed while the hull is in the mould. All bulkheads and cabinets frames are bonded with the deck too.
So there is no change since the beginning, even with new architects (BERRET-RACOUPEAU).
And PLEASE, Mr. Galacsea, don't say that the AMEL boats are built like Jeanneau/Beneteau.

Fortunately, the way AMEL sells new boats is still the same: they invite the potential owners for a factory tour where they will be able to see (with their eyes) how the hull is built. Indeed only the future owners will be happy to know this.

Bill (BEBE), don't worry, AMEL keeps the same route.
I hope this message will be spread on every internet place where one is talking about AMEL boats.

Have a good day.

Olivier.


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:00 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.
Bill
BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 06:56, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...> wrote:
Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.
Bill
BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 05:48, "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
What is it with bagging of the 55? I remember when the 54 was criticized when it came out and especially after that terrible accident with the gentleman on a halyard on an electric winch.
These boats can be compared in the market place to Discovery, Oyster and Contest etc and it amazes me that they are so much less expensive and more practical. It is apparently a feature of the modern 50ft+ market though that these new boats don't get used as much by ocean sailing couples and many buyers have different priorities, being time poor and likely to do less ocean crossings except with help, and probably have more focus on coastal cruising, comfort, performance and, yes, bling.
I think it is admirable that they have the bravery to introduce new things with new models. Think of the big changes from the Mango to the Super Maramu.
The combined wisdom of the builders and designers, and their huge experienc e, has to stand for something without people jumping to the conclusion that they are fools.
Just my opinion, I think the Amel 55 is great.
John, Maramu, Popeye



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A take on the 55

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I used to own an Aston Martin and this whole conversation reminds me when the DB7 was introduced…
It was criticized as being a Jaguar, no longer hand made, etc.
BUT, it is the car that saved Aston.
They sold 7000 in 10 years rather than the previous 100 to 200 per year.
Regarding of what model we own, we are all very proud of our Amel and let’s all hope the 55 will be very successful.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3/23/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A take on the 55
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 6:00 AM


 









Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably
needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their
current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why
the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact,
we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is
tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the
value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete
answer.
Bill

BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 06:56,
"Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
wrote:
Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably
needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their
current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why
the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact,
we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is
tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the
value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.

Bill

BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 05:48,
"jjjk12s@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









What is it with bagging of the 55? I
remember when the 54 was criticized when it came out and
especially after that terrible accident with the gentleman
on a halyard on an electric winch. These
boats can be compared in the market place to Discovery,
Oyster and Contest etc and it amazes me that they are so
much less expensive and more practical. It is apparently a
feature of the modern 50ft+ market though that these new
boats don't get used as much by ocean sailing couples
and many buyers have different priorities, being time poor
and likely to do less ocean crossings except with help, and
probably have more focus on coastal cruising, comfort,
performance and, yes, bling. I think it is
admirable that they have the bravery to introduce new things
with new models. Think of the big changes from the Mango to
the Super Maramu. The combined wisdom of the
builders and designers, and their huge experience, has to
stand for something
without people jumping to the conclusion that they are
fools. Just my opinion, I think the Amel 55 is
great.John, Maramu, Popeye































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A take on the 55

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello all of you happy AMEL owners,

I think it's time I say something... while my friend Joel must be in a place where there is no internet as he did not reply yet to Mr. Galacsea.

AMEL is building the 55 and the 64 just like all of the other models (from Kirk, Euros, Meltem, Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, SM up to the 54).
The hull, in the mould, receives most of the bulkheads, stringers, cabinets boards, engine supports, etc.. that are bonded with GRP to the hull. The deck is still installed while the hull is in the mould. All bulkheads and cabinets frames are bonded with the deck too.
So there is no change since the beginning, even with new architects (BERRET-RACOUPEAU).
And PLEASE, Mr. Galacsea, don't say that the AMEL boats are built like Jeanneau/Beneteau.

Fortunately, the way AMEL sells new boats is still the same: they invite the potential owners for a factory tour where they will be able to see (with their eyes) how the hull is built. Indeed only the future owners will be happy to know this.

Bill (BEBE), don't worry, AMEL keeps the same route.
I hope this message will be spread on every internet place where one is talking about AMEL boats.

Have a good day.

Olivier.


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:00 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.
Bill
BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 06:56, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...> wrote:
Well said, John.
Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.
The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.
I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.
Bill
BeBe 387
On Mar 23, 2016 05:48, "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
What is it with bagging of the 55? I remember when the 54 was criticized when it came out and especially after that terrible accident with the gentleman on a halyard on an electric winch.
These boats can be compared in the market place to Discovery, Oyster and Contest etc and it amazes me that they are so much less expensive and more practical. It is apparently a feature of the modern 50ft+ market though that these new boats don't get used as much by ocean sailing couples and many buyers have different priorities, being time poor and likely to do less ocean crossings except with help, and probably have more focus on coastal cruising, comfort, performance and, yes, bling.
I think it is admirable that they have the bravery to introduce new things with new models. Think of the big changes from the Mango to the Super Maramu.
The combined wisdom of the builders and designers, and their huge experience, has to stand for something without people jumping to the conclusion that they are fools.
Just my opinion, I think the Amel 55 is great.
John, Maramu, Popeye



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A take on the 55

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Well said, John.

Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.

The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.

I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mar 23, 2016 06:56, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...> wrote:

Well said, John.

Like I said earlier, the changes were probably needed, but the fact that Amel's  team and their current clients did not understand was a grave mistake.

The fact that none of us can answer "why the 55" is a sign that this mistake continues. In fact, we should be advocates of the 55 and Amel. Its success is tied to Amel's success which is directly linked to the value of our boats.

I sorely wish that I knew the complete answer.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mar 23, 2016 05:48, "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What is it with bagging of the 55? I remember when the 54 was criticized when it came out and especially after that terrible accident with the gentleman on a halyard on an electric winch.

These boats can be compared in the market place to Discovery, Oyster and Contest etc and it amazes me that they are so much less expensive and more practical. It is apparently a feature of the modern 50ft+ market though that these new boats don't get used as much by ocean sailing couples and many buyers have different priorities, being time poor and likely to do less ocean crossings except with help, and probably have more focus on coastal cruising, comfort, performance and, yes, bling.

I think it is admirable that they have the bravery to introduce new things with new models. Think of the big changes from the Mango to the Super Maramu.

The combined wisdom of the builders and designers, and their huge experience, has to stand for something without people jumping to the conclusion that they are fools.

Just my opinion, I think the Amel 55 is great.

John, Maramu, Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Jean Boucharlat
 

Well, well, well !

That’s the very horse’s mouth.
I was not aware of this stunning and very disappointing piece of information.

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of galacsea2000
Sent: mercredi 23 mars 2016 00:48
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

 

 

Oliver Racoupeau


Re: A take on the 55

jjjk12s@...
 

What is it with bagging of the 55? I remember when the 54 was criticized when it came out and especially after that terrible accident with the gentleman on a halyard on an electric winch.

These boats can be compared in the market place to Discovery, Oyster and Contest etc and it amazes me that they are so much less expensive and more practical. It is apparently a feature of the modern 50ft+ market though that these new boats don't get used as much by ocean sailing couples and many buyers have different priorities, being time poor and likely to do less ocean crossings except with help, and probably have more focus on coastal cruising, comfort, performance and, yes, bling.

I think it is admirable that they have the bravery to introduce new things with new models. Think of the big changes from the Mango to the Super Maramu.

The combined wisdom of the builders and designers, and their huge experience, has to stand for something without people jumping to the conclusion that they are fools.

Just my opinion, I think the Amel 55 is great.

John, Maramu, Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

The structural strength of monocoque construction allows lighter scantlings and reduced overall weight so I find it hard to believe there was weight saving. Perhaps more likely to be trying for the "modern" layout.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl 



From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

 
I am stunned !!
The structural  integrity of the Amel monocoque was one of the main reasons I bought an SM.
I find it hard to believe that they would stop doing this....and especially for reasons of weight.
How much extra weight would be involved...seriously ?
Alan
Elsye SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill for the clarity ......

Just like my SM !

Good !

Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I think before we all run off half-cocked on stories and rumors, about how far Amel has fallen, maybe we should actually look at what Amel says.  This is cut and pasted from their current Amel 55 web brochure (link here: http://www.amel.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AMEL-55-standard-equipment-January-2016.pdf)
  • Frame structure in polyurethane omega-foam and plywood, laminated to the hull, as is all the joinery structure (bulkheads, furniture units, lockers, etc.)
  • This system guarantees the highest rigidity of the whole unit and optimises load spread. Compression forces from the masts /rigging are compensated by a structure of support pillars for the masts and chain plate tie-rods laminated to the hull for the rigging.
  • The bulkheads are glued and laminated with the deck. 4 of them are watertight bulkheads with isolation valves.
  • Composite Roving 71 glass fiber/isophtalic resin and balsa sandwich deck moulded by the same process as the hull (the deck is glued and laminated to the hull and the bulkheads).
That very much sounds like their tried and true production techniques to me…  Always remember—half of everything you read on the internet is wrong, and the rest is suspect!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida

On Mar 22, 2016, at 23:59, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I am stunned !!

The structural  integrity of the Amel monocoque was one of the main reasons I bought an SM.
I find it hard to believe that they would stop doing this....and especially for reasons of weight.
How much extra weight would be involved...seriously ?
Alan
Elsye SM437