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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Pat,

In doing this with the boat in the water I presume one cannot move the c-drive. It would seem the engine needs to be separated from the c-drive (I want to replace the coupler donuts anyway). How is the engine frame moved given that the c-drive frame is mounted to the engine frame?

Mike



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts





Mike, I have been wondering what you determined was the problem. I thought you would find it to be a motor mount. I just replaced mine last fall , with those mounts and it greatly reduced the vibration. I would suggest that you also replace the bolts that secure the mounts to the stringers. I found the threads a little degraded. I saw no reason to separate the engine from the frame and shifted the engine and frame aft still connected , no problems. I placed a 4x4 across the boat resting next to the winches and used a come along to slightly raise the engine. I placed the 4x4 slightly aft of the lifting point to induce the engine to swing aft and then forward to induce moving forward . You will need some blocks to rest the engine on while you replace the mounts. See ya back on the Bay.

Good Luck,

Pat SM Shenanigans





-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts



After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike, I have been wondering what you determined was the problem. I thought you would find it to be a motor mount. I just replaced mine last fall , with those mounts and it greatly reduced the vibration. I  would suggest that you also replace the bolts that secure the mounts to the stringers. I found the threads a little degraded. I saw no reason to separate the engine from the frame and shifted the engine and frame aft still connected , no problems. I placed a 4x4 across the boat resting next to the winches and used a come along to slightly raise the engine. I placed the 4x4 slightly aft of the lifting point to induce the engine to swing aft and then forward to induce moving forward . You will need some blocks to rest the engine on while you replace the mounts. See ya back on the Bay.
Good Luck,
Pat  SM Shenanigans
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

 
After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.
The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”
The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.
Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.
I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.
Thanks,
Mike Ondra
ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD
 
 
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast painting

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Also Renault Panda #348 apparently is also a correct colour 

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007


On 3 May 2016, at 00:59, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dieter,


   The hardener will have a relatively short shelf life of a year or so but I have used Awlgrip paint that was 10+ years old with no problems, just use a fine strainer to filter out any tiny bits that don’t mix back in.  If you think that you will eventually be refinishing your spars maybe it would be worth holding on to.  Store it in a cool place such as a basement and the life will be extended further.

   If the sale completes as hoped, I will needing standing rigging for Sueno.  Thanks for the tip on  ACMO.

Best,

James
On May 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, INUS - BUSCH inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After some research with the help of Maude from AMEL and AkzoNobel and many others I found the color which was used for the mast painting of my Sharki (Nirvana mast): The color is AWL GRIP G8479 Amel beige. 

It is not in the normal range of colors, but International Yaacht Painting a branch of AkzoNobel mixed it for me.
I ordered 3 U.S. Quarts (nearly 3 L) together with the right amount of hardener: 3 cans of the topcoat converter H3002 (AWL-CAT #3), because it is a two component system. First I wanted to lie down the two masts and get them pain ted on the hard, but than I decided to leave the masts upright and only change the rigging with the masts upright. And I will only repaint the oxidized parts of the aluminium, which means I had ordered too much paint. 

If somebody is interested I will sell two new unused cans Amel beige (each 1  U.S. Quart) together with the second component AWL-CAT #3. I think 90 EUR is a fair price (I paid 400 EUR), plus the shipping costs. My email is: inusbusch ett yahoo.de

BTW: The new rigging I got from ACMO, and they did an excellent job. A very good and uncomplicated partner.

Dieter
Sharki #135



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

James Alton
 

Mike,

  I cannot help you with whether the replacement mounts are correct but I can say that engine mounts do need to be replaced from time to time.  It happens sometimes that the mounts are not evenly adjusted so that one mount can be carrying more than it’s share which can to a failure.  I am sure that you will get more informed and specific input on this matter, best of luck and glad that you found the source of the noise.

James

On May 2, 2016, at 11:39 PM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed. 

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).” 

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

 

 




Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike Ondra
 

After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for engines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C ground fault?

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast painting

James Alton
 

Dieter,

   The hardener will have a relatively short shelf life of a year or so but I have used Awlgrip paint that was 10+ years old with no problems, just use a fine strainer to filter out any tiny bits that don’t mix back in.  If you think that you will eventually be refinishing your spars maybe it would be worth holding on to.  Store it in a cool place such as a basement and the life will be extended further.

   If the sale completes as hoped, I will needing standing rigging for Sueno.  Thanks for the tip on  ACMO.

Best,

James

On May 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, INUS - BUSCH inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After some research with the help of Maude from AMEL and AkzoNobel and many others I found the color which was used for the mast painting of my Sharki (Nirvana mast): The color is AWL GRIP G8479 Amel beige. 

It is not in the normal range of colors, but International Yaacht Painting a branch of AkzoNobel mixed it for me.
I ordered 3 U.S. Quarts (nearly 3 L) together with the right amount of hardener: 3 cans of the topcoat converter H3002 (AWL-CAT #3), because it is a two component system. First I wanted to lie down the two masts and get them pain ted on the hard, but than I decided to leave the masts upright and only change the rigging with the masts upright. And I will only repaint the oxidized parts of the aluminium, which means I had ordered too much paint. 

If somebody is interested I will sell two new unused cans Amel beige (each 1  U.S. Quart) together with the second component AWL-CAT #3. I think 90 EUR is a fair price (I paid 400 EUR), plus the shipping costs. My email is: inusbusch ett yahoo.de

BTW: The new rigging I got from ACMO, and they did an excellent job. A very good and uncomplicated partner.

Dieter
Sharki #135



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Got it.  Thanks Bill.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 2, 2016, at 10:39 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

Sorry for the confusion...I said Prickly Bay Marina in my first email...I was wrong. It is Spice Island Marine Services

Talk to Susie simsco"at"spiceisle.com. Tell her that Bill BeBe referred you.
Tel:+473 444 4342/4257 Fax:(473)+473 444 2816 444-2816 ,VHF Channel 16, 68

Haul-out facilities (70 ton travelift)

Bill 
BeBe 387


On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Ben,

They did when we were there, so yes, I am certain. I will warn you that workers in yards have the habit of disconnecting shore power when they need to plug in a tool, then forgetting to plug it back in. You will really need someone there to check your boat and power daily. This applies to any yard we have been hauled at.

Talk to Susie simsco"at"spiceisle.com. Tell her that Bill BeBe referred you.
Spice Island Marine Services
P.O. Box 449, True Blue, St. George's, Grenada , (NW end of Prickly Bay beyond the Grenada Coast Guard pier)
Tel:+473 444 4342/4257 Fax:(473)+473 444 2816 444-2816 ,VHF Channel 16, 68
Water, fuel, toilets, laundry, WiFi. Haul-out facilities (70 ton travelift) and a complete array of services, including an electronics/radar/radio technician. 
A bar and restaurant and a Budget Marine Store chandlery are in the complex.

Bill 

BeBe 387

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does Prickly Bay Marina have the ability to leave boat hooked to shore power on the hard?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 2, 2016, at 10:18 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

We have hauled out at Prickly Bay Marina and found them very good.

There is a new haulout at Clarke's Court Bay...newer and bigger lift and the same price as Prickly...do not know any more than that.

There are at least two others.

Bill
BeBe
St. Lucia

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:04 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

Sorry for the confusion...I said Prickly Bay Marina in my first email...I was wrong. It is Spice Island Marine Services

Talk to Susie simsco"at"spiceisle.com. Tell her that Bill BeBe referred you.
Tel:+473 444 4342/4257 Fax:(473)+473 444 2816 444-2816 ,VHF Channel 16, 68

Haul-out facilities (70 ton travelift)

Bill 
BeBe 387


On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Ben,

They did when we were there, so yes, I am certain. I will warn you that workers in yards have the habit of disconnecting shore power when they need to plug in a tool, then forgetting to plug it back in. You will really need someone there to check your boat and power daily. This applies to any yard we have been hauled at.

Talk to Susie simsco"at"spiceisle.com. Tell her that Bill BeBe referred you.
Spice Island Marine Services
P.O. Box 449, True Blue, St. George's, Grenada , (NW end of Prickly Bay beyond the Grenada Coast Guard pier)
Tel:+473 444 4342/4257 Fax:(473)+473 444 2816 444-2816 ,VHF Channel 16, 68
Water, fuel, toilets, laundry, WiFi. Haul-out facilities (70 ton travelift) and a complete array of services, including an electronics/radar/radio technician. 
A bar and restaurant and a Budget Marine Store chandlery are in the complex.

Bill 

BeBe 387

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does Prickly Bay Marina have the ability to leave boat hooked to shore power on the hard?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 2, 2016, at 10:18 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

We have hauled out at Prickly Bay Marina and found them very good.

There is a new haulout at Clarke's Court Bay...newer and bigger lift and the same price as Prickly...do not know any more than that.

There are at least two others.

Bill
BeBe
St. Lucia

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:04 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

They did when we were there, so yes, I am certain. I will warn you that workers in yards have the habit of disconnecting shore power when they need to plug in a tool, then forgetting to plug it back in. You will really need someone there to check your boat and power daily. This applies to any yard we have been hauled at.

Talk to Susie simsco"at"spiceisle.com. Tell her that Bill BeBe referred you.
Spice Island Marine Services
P.O. Box 449, True Blue, St. George's, Grenada , (NW end of Prickly Bay beyond the Grenada Coast Guard pier)
Tel:+473 444 4342/4257 Fax:(473)+473 444 2816 444-2816 ,VHF Channel 16, 68
Water, fuel, toilets, laundry, WiFi. Haul-out facilities (70 ton travelift) and a complete array of services, including an electronics/radar/radio technician. 
A bar and restaurant and a Budget Marine Store chandlery are in the complex.

Bill 

BeBe 387

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does Prickly Bay Marina have the ability to leave boat hooked to shore power on the hard?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 2, 2016, at 10:18 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

We have hauled out at Prickly Bay Marina and found them very good.

There is a new haulout at Clarke's Court Bay...newer and bigger lift and the same price as Prickly...do not know any more than that.

There are at least two others.

Bill
BeBe
St. Lucia

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:04 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Does Prickly Bay Marina have the ability to leave boat hooked to shore power on the hard?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 2, 2016, at 10:18 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

We have hauled out at Prickly Bay Marina and found them very good.

There is a new haulout at Clarke's Court Bay...newer and bigger lift and the same price as Prickly...do not know any more than that.

There are at least two others.

Bill
BeBe
St. Lucia

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:04 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

We have hauled out at Prickly Bay Marina and found them very good.

There is a new haulout at Clarke's Court Bay...newer and bigger lift and the same price as Prickly...do not know any more than that.

There are at least two others.

Bill
BeBe
St. Lucia

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:04 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347




Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transformer

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have the same setup transformer in my boat.  So far, I have not found a marina in the Caribbean that does not have 220v power so I have not used it.


I do have a question on this transformer:  when one has this unit, does it serve as an isolation transformer as well as step-up unit?  It does seem having this unit wired between shore power and the boat may isolate the boat from stray currents ... but not sure.  I would be great to a more educated opinion.


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

We are moving our boat out of hurricane box from St Martin to Grenada next month.    We will be back in California for three months visiting family so a little uncomfortably leaving boat in the water unless closely managed by someone.  We could use a recommendation for safe place to leave the boat there - preferably out of the water. We would appreciate an recommendations. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347



mast painting

INUS - BUSCH
 

After some research with the help of Maude from AMEL and AkzoNobel and many others I found the color which was used for the mast painting of my Sharki (Nirvana mast): The color is AWL GRIP G8479 Amel beige.

It is not in the normal range of colors, but International Yaacht Painting a branch of AkzoNobel mixed it for me.
I ordered 3 U.S. Quarts (nearly 3 L) together with the right amount of hardener: 3 cans of the topcoat converter H3002 (AWL-CAT #3), because it is a two component system. First I wanted to lie down the two masts and get them painted on the hard, but than I decided to leave the masts upright and only change the rigging with the masts upright. And I will only repaint the oxidized parts of the aluminium, which means I had ordered too much paint.

If somebody is interested I will sell two new unused cans Amel beige (each 1  U.S. Quart) together with the second component AWL-CAT #3. I think 90 EUR is a fair price (I paid 400 EUR), plus the shipping costs. My email is: inusbusch ett yahoo.de

BTW: The new rigging I got from ACMO, and they did an excellent job. A very good and uncomplicated partner.

Dieter
Sharki #135


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C ground fault?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary,

I am certainly no electrician or expert, but I'll share my thoughts...

First guess: I am 99% sure that your power may be wired wrong in an attempt by someone to bridge US and EU power. The blue wire you mention should be the EU "Return" line. The brown is the "Hot" line. With that blue line connected, everything off, and disconnected from shore power do you have continuity between the 220 power line yellow/green and blue? If there is not, without turning on the generator or plugging into shore power, turn ON the AC breaker for the unit in question and check continuity. I believe that if you find continuity you need to find an electrician.

Next test is plug into shore power. Have all of the breakers off. Check for voltage between blue and shore power yellow/green. If you have voltage there is a shore power wiring problem...find an electrician.

Second guess is that the ground fault is at the A/C that you removed the return (blue) wire. Removing that will prevent the ground fault to be sensed. Possibly the saltwater path and the electric current path are somehow crossed?

I hope these random thoughts help you find the issue.

BTW, I believe that the most common ground fault on a SM that is wired correctly is electro-thermal heating elements. Most common is the water heater, followed by the SM2k dishwasher, then the SM2k clothes washer.

I have seen way too many SMs shore power wired incorrectly for US schemes. Check the DVD I gave you for a job named: Shore Power Wiring or something like that.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 2, 2016 10:04 AM, "Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings, SM 209 is trying to tease me with an intermittent trip of the master breaker.
Three air conditioners (we normally only ever run two of them simultaneously) everything aboard works fine until, for no discernable reason the master breaker will trip at either genset start or dock plug-in and not reset.
I first thought it might be a problem at the dock with stray current or bad power at the post because it had not occurred before. A few days later it did it again on genset.
I'm not sure I can explain the luck in discovering that if the blue wired leg of the forward air conditioner was disconnected from the system it solved the issue, but that's what it seems to be.
While I cannot recreate the fault on demand, I can solve it by pulling that A/C offline.
I did notice a bit of corrosion across the big (40ùf) compressor start capacitor so I changed that out. I changed out the compressor start relay a year ago. It seemed to solve it until a couple of days ago when it tripped again right upon genset start.
This morning it's at it again. I think the relay and capacitor were not players.

Any ideas on where to start with this? The unit is NOT powered on when this happens so it has to be something going into the the control box and I'm not sure where to start looking for a 0.03Amp leak. I am fairly certain it's not directly related to fan motor, compressor or temperature control 'modules' since nothing is active at the time of the trip. Maybe it's a stray chafe somewhere along that run, or some strange short at the connector block but I can't puzzle out why it only happens once in every 20 genset starts.

Thanks,

Gary W.
"Adagio", SM 209
BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C ground fault?

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Same thing for us. I believe breakers become weaker with frequent tripping. We changed our old AC's to Webasto but also we changed the breaker... No probs since...

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera SM007



On 2 May 2016, at 16:02, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Greetings, SM 209 is trying to tease me with an intermittent trip of the master breaker.
Three air conditioners (we normally only ever run two of them simultaneously) everything aboard works fine until, for no discernable reason the master breaker will trip at either genset start or dock plug-in and not reset.
I first thought it might be a problem at the dock with stray current or bad power at the post because it had not occurred before. A few days later it did it again on genset.
I'm not sure I can explain the luck in discovering that if the blue wired leg of the forward air conditioner was disconnected from the system it solved the issue, but that's what it seems to be.
While I cannot recreate the fault on demand, I can solve it by pulling that A/C offline.
I did notice a bit of corrosion across the big (40ùf) compressor start capacitor so I changed that out. I changed out the compressor start relay a year ago. It seemed to solve it until a couple of days ago when it tripped again right upon genset start.
This morning it's at it again. I think the relay and capacitor were not players.

Any ideas on where to start with this? The unit is NOT powered on when this happens so it has to be something going into the the control box and I'm not sure where to start looking for a 0.03Amp leak. I am fairly certain it's not directly related to fan motor, compressor or temperature control 'modules' since nothing is active at the time of the trip. Maybe it's a stray chafe somewhere along that run, or some strange short at the connector block but I can't puzzle out why it only happens once in every 20 genset starts.

Thanks,

Gary W.
"Adagio", SM 209
BVI


Climma A/C ground fault?

Gary Wells
 

Greetings, SM 209 is trying to tease me with an intermittent trip of the master breaker.
Three air conditioners (we normally only ever run two of them simultaneously) everything aboard works fine until, for no discernable reason the master breaker will trip at either genset start or dock plug-in and not reset.
I first thought it might be a problem at the dock with stray current or bad power at the post because it had not occurred before. A few days later it did it again on genset.
I'm not sure I can explain the luck in discovering that if the blue wired leg of the forward air conditioner was disconnected from the system it solved the issue, but that's what it seems to be.
While I cannot recreate the fault on demand, I can solve it by pulling that A/C offline.
I did notice a bit of corrosion across the big (40ùf) compressor start capacitor so I changed that out. I changed out the compressor start relay a year ago. It seemed to solve it until a couple of days ago when it tripped again right upon genset start.
This morning it's at it again. I think the relay and capacitor were not players.

Any ideas on where to start with this? The unit is NOT powered on when this happens so it has to be something going into the the control box and I'm not sure where to start looking for a 0.03Amp leak. I am fairly certain it's not directly related to fan motor, compressor or temperature control 'modules' since nothing is active at the time of the trip. Maybe it's a stray chafe somewhere along that run, or some strange short at the connector block but I can't puzzle out why it only happens once in every 20 genset starts.

Thanks,

Gary W.
"Adagio", SM 209
BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster problem

bobparry1947
 

We have solved our bow thruster problem and we are feeling a little red-faced. After close inspection, we found that the bolt that tightens the bracket holding the rod to the top of the piston had loosened. You would think that, having owned the boat for nearly 12 years, we would have noticed it immediately. In our defence, we usually see the bow thruster when it is up and the piston is down.

Thank you for your feedback.

Ann and Bob Parry
S/Y  "Nowornot"
Supermaramu #33

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Steve.  If there is a light on the panel that indicates when the BT is fully up or down, there is a sensor sending that signal.  On Kristy these sensors are integral to the worm drive.  It's a PITA to get it out, but undoubtedly that's where your problem lies.  It sounds to me like it could be both mechanical and electrical.

Let us know what you find.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The older bow thrusters like the one on my hull #72 do not have any sensors. I suspect it is something mechanical, but not sure what. I'm sure someone out there must have experienced this problem, and can shed some light on it. 

Steve Davis
Aloha #72
Currently in Martinique

On Apr 27, 2016, at 08:14, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Bob,

Sorry about your problem…
This reminds me what happened to me October 2014
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_sensor.html
Looks to me a problem with the sensors that slide, but since my vessel is from 2000 they could be different.
Please keep up posted and good luck…

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Wed, 4/27/16, Bob Parry ra.parry2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster problem
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2016, 7:04 AM


 









Hi all,

We have just encountered
the following problem with our bow thruster. The thruster is
DOWN. When we engage the "up" switch, it
immediately gives the signal that the thruster is up and
nothing happens. When we engage the "down" switch,
the piston spins, causing the wire to become twisted. We
have yet to dismantle it but it appears as though there is a
mechanical problem with a worm drive and maybe an electrical
problem. Has anybody encountered a similar problem? We have
the original Bison bow thruster from 1990. (Apologies for
not doing a search before writing this email.

Bob and Ann Parry
"Nowornot", Amel Supermaramu
#33
Brisbane











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information about Amel 1987 Maramu Sueno

Jean Boucharlat
 

James,

 

I do not know about the Maramu hull#220 but I do know that if you are with Michel Charpentier, you are in good hands. He is the most knowledgeable broker in Europe with regard to Amel boats, and, most importantly he is a man of great integrity.

 

Good luck with your purchase,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: samedi 30 avril 2016 12:23
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information about Amel 1987 Maramu Sueno

 

 

Hello again,

 

   I just found out that the Maramu that I am planning to purchase is hull #220.

 

Thanks,

 

James

On Apr 29, 2016, at 2:27 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

I am in the process of purchasing the 1987 Maramu listed on Yacht World named “Sueno” currently located in Italy. I have not seen the vessel in person as of yet but plan to do so soon. I was hoping that someone here might know the boat and know something about her history. I am aware that she has been sitting for at least 2 years and will need a lot of service work but I am told that there are not any major issues. The listing agent is Mr. Michel Charpentier in St. Raphael, France. My email is Lokiyawl@... in case anyone would prefer to respond via email. 

I want to thank all of the members that helped me by giving me input on the various Amel models, especially the Maramu. Also for all of the great information on the Amel bow thruster which this particular boat has.  

I contacted Amel btw regarding the regular servicing of the bow thruster and was given a rough labour estimate of 3 hours to change seals and oil which aligns very well with Joel’s estimate that was recently posted. I am very excited about the prospects of soon being an Amel owner and know that I have a lot to learn about the Amel’s, feel free to help enlighten me.

Best,

James