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Bow thruster

Walter
 

Dear group,

referring to a topic some time ago about the bow thruster - if it is leaking, how to prevent water getting into the boat ...
My experience with SM2K #436, built 2004:
In the last 5 years and about 30.000nm we changed the seals for the lifting shaft once - no problems ever since.
In normal conditions the through-hull for the lifting shaft is well above the water line.
And: in case water gets through the lifting shaft seals, Amel designed the thruster housing to drain into the main sump, as the "sump" of the bow
thruster has a draining hose (like the anchor chain locker and the condensate
outlet (not to be mixed up with the seawater outlet) of the forward airconditioning unit.
Presuming everything is in good working order, no water will get into the forward cabin and there is no need to close the forward watertight bulkhead.
All draining hoses have seperate valves, all valves are connected to the bonding system.


Kind regards,
Walter
Noa, SM2K 436


Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ben:

We have hauled out at Spice Island Marine yard 4 times.  Always had a good experience.  Our first time there was the second year the yard was open and one year before hurricane Ivan (thank goodness) the Cat 4 hurricane that destroyed all the boats in the yard and 80% of the structures on Grenada. It pushed the jacks stands through the hulls of the boats and layer them all down.  There were major improvements in the yard after that with better anchors, better positioning in a chevron pattern, and better drainage etc.  I can highly recommend the yard to you. There are laundry facilities on sight, and the Budget Marine store is in the yard as well as canvas and sail shops etc.  

As an aside, we stayed in the Cool Runnings apartments while hauling and re-commissioning.  It is about a 2 block walk from the yard.  Basic but priced right with AC, kitchenette, and comfortable beds.  Clean and secure with guard.  Small breakfast/lunch restaurant on site.  Managed by: 

Ramesh Masilamani, M.A
Administrative Manager
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sinclair Enterprises Limited
# 22, Cool Running Apartments
P. O. Box 1530
Dusty Highway, True Blue
St. George's, GRENADA
WEST INDIES
 
Tel:         (473) 440-1276
Tel/Fax:  (473) 440-8549
Mobile:  (473) 415-2901/4077

 
 

I can recommend this for 2 to 3 people. 

All the best to you and Gayle.

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335  
Slip 1423  Puerto Del Rey  ,  Puerto Rico


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lalizas navigation lights

Michael Neale <michaelneale256@...>
 

What happened to everyone signing their posts?

Mike Neale

CYC

Marina del Rey, CA



On May 5, 2016, at 6:14 PM, galacsea2000 <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Between the stainless steel and the back of the lamp you should find a thin lever that needs to be moved in the opposite direction. From there, you can lift the lamp. Turn it upside down and unscrew the part holding the bulb.
Hope this help.


Re: Lalizas navigation lights

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Between the stainless steel and the back of the lamp you should find a thin lever that needs to be moved in the opposite direction. From there, you can lift the lamp. Turn it upside down and unscrew the part holding the bulb.
Hope this help.


Lalizas navigation lights

Alan Leslie
 

Can anyone tell me how to take the port and starboard rail mounted nav lights apart ?

Its not immediately obvious to me. Can't find anything in their website...I think the lense clips together with the mounting base, but how to release it ?

Expert opinion graciously recieved !

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

James Alton
 

Bill,
  Thanks for your input.  
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-05-2016 10:17 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out


 

James,

I do not know for sure. Over the years the bow thruster was updated. The basic design was not changed.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 5, 2016 7:57 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof gr ease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

James,

I do not know for sure. Over the years the bow thruster was updated. The basic design was not changed.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 7:57 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof gr ease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

For your information, Amel yards are now using 80/90 gear oil for all C Drives.

Some of us will not deviate from the 20/40 oil, but I will use what Amel is using on my next haulout.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 8:28 AM, "mausi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

James Alton
 

Peter,
  Thanks for the information.  
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "mausi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-05-2016 9:27 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode


 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Peter
 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several.

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

James Alton
 

Peter,

   What weight oil do you use in your engine?   Are the filters usually locally available or what is your source?  

James

On May 5, 2016, at 7:05 AM, mausi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

My fault.

Just talked to Perkins. There is no zinc at all on their engines.

Closed case.
Peter



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several.

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

luvkante
 

No, you will find a detailed process description of exchanging the bushings in the file section of this group. I think it was provided by Bill of BeBe some weeks ago.

Martin
AMEL 54 # 149 CHIARA

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Am 05.05.2016 um 12:09 schrieb santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?


Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Santorin LO
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?


Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Peter
 

My fault.

Just talked to Perkins. There is no zinc at all on their engines.

Closed case.
Peter


Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Peter
 

Sorry for this inquiry.

I just talked to perkins and they told me that all perkins do not have anodes.

Closed,
Peter


Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Peter
 

Hi,
in the engine Room you find the oil reservoir for the C-drive on the forward looking side . if this looks like Bayleys Liquer your sealing of the C-Drive is broken.
Then get rid of all the oil inside, unmount the prop. replace the whole sealing kit from amel. refill the oil (8 liters) and thats it.
before refilling the oil i would clean the inside of the c-drive b y  filling it with another 3 liters while turning the shaft sometimes and letting this 3 liters go out again.

best,
peter


Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Santorin LO
 

Thanks Alan, will do, if need replacing of oil - is drainage through the prop? (never done this myself before...)