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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Excellent . Thanks Gary .  The  best to you and Mary.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 5, 2016, at 9:59 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben:


We have hauled out at Spice Island Marine yard 4 times.  Always had a good experience.  Our first time there was the second year the yard was open and one year before hurricane Ivan (thank goodness) the Cat 4 hurricane that destroyed all the boats in the yard and 80% of the structures on Grenada. It pushed the jacks stands through the hulls of the boats and layer them all down.  There were major improvements in the yard after that with better anchors, better positioning in a chevron pattern, and better drainage etc.  I can highly recommend the yard to you. There are laundry facilities on sight, and the Budget Marine store is in the yard as well as canvas and sail shops etc.  

As an aside, we stayed in the Cool Runnings apartments while hauling and re-commissioning.  It is about a 2 block walk from the yard.  Basic but priced right with AC, kitchenette, and comfortable beds.  Clean and secure with guard.  Small breakfast/lunch restaurant on site.  Managed by: 

Ramesh Masilamani, M.A
Administrative Manager
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sinclair Enterprises Limited
# 22, Cool Running Apartments
P. O. Box 1530
Dusty Highway, True Blue
St. George's, GRENADA
WEST INDIES
 
Tel:         (473) 440-1276
Tel/Fax:  (473) 440-8549
Mobile:  (473) 415-2901/4077

 
 

I can recommend this for 2 to 3 people. 

All the best to you and Gayle.

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335  
Slip 1423  Puerto Del Rey  ,  Puerto Rico


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Indigo project

Warren Traill
 

Oh great. Not sure when we are heading up to Port Douglas but fairly soon.  Maybe next week. We will let you know.
Thanks for that.
Cheers,
WandZ

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Warren and Zetta,

 

Hi, I am up the coast in Port Douglas. My business is Wavelength Reef Cruises and we have a shop in the marina here where Popeye is also parked (but we live in a house!). You are very welcome to have a look. Popeye is pretty much all refitted except waiting for painting.

 

Cheers, John, 1981 Maramu #91, Popeye



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Indigo project

jjjk12s@...
 

Warren and Zetta,

 

Hi, I am up the coast in Port Douglas. My business is Wavelength Reef Cruises and we have a shop in the marina here where Popeye is also parked (but we live in a house!). You are very welcome to have a look. Popeye is pretty much all refitted except waiting for painting.

 

Cheers, John, 1981 Maramu #91, Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Indigo project

Warren Traill
 

Hi John. We are in Cairns for a while and wondered if we could catch up with you on Popeye sometime.
We would be keen to see what you have done with your Amel.
Cheers,
Warren and Zetta
Manon 2
Sharki #15


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To: mausi@... [amelyachtowners]

 

Hi Eric, you have asked before and no I've never been to Columbia. I didn't name the boat. Are you familiar that during the second world war and rationing in the UK the government came up with a cartoon of a sailor who got super strong from eating spinach. His girlfriend was Olive Oyl and his daughter Sweet Pea. Our dinghy is Sweet Pea. Quite an innocent explanation for a boat name.

 

Cheers John Maramu #91 Popeye



Vetus coupling repair

Mike Ondra
 

Hello all you DIY mechanics. We are planning to replace the bushings on the Type 6 Vetus coupling and note the installation diagram calls for a spanner wrench torque of 130lb. at 20”. What have others done to address this specified torque? Success with adjustable spanner wrench?

Thanks,

Mike

Aletes SM#240, Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

amelforme
 

Just so owners of earlier/pre-Millennium model Super Maramu’s are not confused by Walters otherwise correct and helpful posting on the bow thruster’s containment/drainage system on his late model SM 53, the earlier boats did not have this provision. Leakage from the thruster would make its way to the base of the main mast compression assembly at the foot of the watertight bulkhead separating the saloon from the forecabin. Use a sponge to transfer the sea water into the shower drain pan and service the thruster soon if leaks are present.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 2:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

 

 

Dear group,

referring to a topic some time ago about the bow thruster - if it is leaking, how to prevent water getting into the boat ...
My experience with SM2K #436, built 2004:
In the last 5 years and about 30.000nm we changed the seals for the lifting shaft once - no problems ever since.
In normal conditions the through-hull for the lifting shaft is well above the water line.
And: in case water gets through the lifting shaft seals, Amel designed the thruster housing to drain into the main sump, as the "sump" of the bow
thruster has a draining hose (like the anchor chain locker and the condensate
outlet (not to be mixed up with the seawater outlet) of the forward airconditioning unit.
Presuming everything is in good working order, no water will get into the forward cabin and there is no need to close the forward watertight bulkhead.
All draining hoses have seperate valves, all valves are connected to the bonding system.

 

Kind regards,
Walter
Noa, SM2K 436


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Not to miss - Haul out

James Alton
 

Bill,

  Thanks.  I have downloaded the bow thruster service information and reviewed it.  This boat has the straight shaft instead of the C-drive.  The prop is currently fixed.  I will do the continuity check you suggested.  I want to better understand the wiring in the boat since I understand that it is somewhat unique and I am sure that given the vintage that there will be wiring requiring replacement.  Can you tell me if there is a lightning grounding system on an Amel?   Thanks for the method used to grease the discharge seacocks.  

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:39 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill,


   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that yo u should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outsi de the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?







Bow thruster

Walter
 

Dear group,

referring to a topic some time ago about the bow thruster - if it is leaking, how to prevent water getting into the boat ...
My experience with SM2K #436, built 2004:
In the last 5 years and about 30.000nm we changed the seals for the lifting shaft once - no problems ever since.
In normal conditions the through-hull for the lifting shaft is well above the water line.
And: in case water gets through the lifting shaft seals, Amel designed the thruster housing to drain into the main sump, as the "sump" of the bow
thruster has a draining hose (like the anchor chain locker and the condensate
outlet (not to be mixed up with the seawater outlet) of the forward airconditioning unit.
Presuming everything is in good working order, no water will get into the forward cabin and there is no need to close the forward watertight bulkhead.
All draining hoses have seperate valves, all valves are connected to the bonding system.


Kind regards,
Walter
Noa, SM2K 436


Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ben:

We have hauled out at Spice Island Marine yard 4 times.  Always had a good experience.  Our first time there was the second year the yard was open and one year before hurricane Ivan (thank goodness) the Cat 4 hurricane that destroyed all the boats in the yard and 80% of the structures on Grenada. It pushed the jacks stands through the hulls of the boats and layer them all down.  There were major improvements in the yard after that with better anchors, better positioning in a chevron pattern, and better drainage etc.  I can highly recommend the yard to you. There are laundry facilities on sight, and the Budget Marine store is in the yard as well as canvas and sail shops etc.  

As an aside, we stayed in the Cool Runnings apartments while hauling and re-commissioning.  It is about a 2 block walk from the yard.  Basic but priced right with AC, kitchenette, and comfortable beds.  Clean and secure with guard.  Small breakfast/lunch restaurant on site.  Managed by: 

Ramesh Masilamani, M.A
Administrative Manager
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sinclair Enterprises Limited
# 22, Cool Running Apartments
P. O. Box 1530
Dusty Highway, True Blue
St. George's, GRENADA
WEST INDIES
 
Tel:         (473) 440-1276
Tel/Fax:  (473) 440-8549
Mobile:  (473) 415-2901/4077

 
 

I can recommend this for 2 to 3 people. 

All the best to you and Gayle.

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335  
Slip 1423  Puerto Del Rey  ,  Puerto Rico


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lalizas navigation lights

Michael Neale <michaelneale256@...>
 

What happened to everyone signing their posts?

Mike Neale

CYC

Marina del Rey, CA



On May 5, 2016, at 6:14 PM, galacsea2000 <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Between the stainless steel and the back of the lamp you should find a thin lever that needs to be moved in the opposite direction. From there, you can lift the lamp. Turn it upside down and unscrew the part holding the bulb.
Hope this help.


Re: Lalizas navigation lights

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Between the stainless steel and the back of the lamp you should find a thin lever that needs to be moved in the opposite direction. From there, you can lift the lamp. Turn it upside down and unscrew the part holding the bulb.
Hope this help.


Lalizas navigation lights

Alan Leslie
 

Can anyone tell me how to take the port and starboard rail mounted nav lights apart ?

Its not immediately obvious to me. Can't find anything in their website...I think the lense clips together with the mounting base, but how to release it ?

Expert opinion graciously recieved !

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

James Alton
 

Bill,
  Thanks for your input.  
James


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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-05-2016 10:17 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out


 

James,

I do not know for sure. Over the years the bow thruster was updated. The basic design was not changed.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 5, 2016 7:57 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof gr ease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

James,

I do not know for sure. Over the years the bow thruster was updated. The basic design was not changed.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 7:57 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof gr ease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

For your information, Amel yards are now using 80/90 gear oil for all C Drives.

Some of us will not deviate from the 20/40 oil, but I will use what Amel is using on my next haulout.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 8:28 AM, "mausi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

James Alton
 

Peter,
  Thanks for the information.  
James


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-------- Original message --------
From: "mausi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 05-05-2016 9:27 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode


 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

Peter
 

Hi,

For engine and C-Drive I use 15W40 Oil. The filters are standard/local availlable ones.

best,
peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Would a 1987 Maramu with the retractable bow thruster have the same service and seals as the Sanotrin?

James

On May 5, 2016, at 8:35 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The following are links to a direct download of the files that you should look at for servicing the propeller shaft Wear Bushing and the Amel Bow Thruster

These are written for a Super Maramu. The wear bushing directions should apply to all Amel Wear Bushings from Santorin to the 64. The Bow Thruster will apply to all Amel retractable bow thrusters, however these had some modifications over the years...

Bill
BeBe #387



BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

C Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from Amel.pdf

_Wear Bushing and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several. 

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Not to miss - Haul out

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I believe that the C Drive wear bushing and seals should be changed every 2 years or 800 hours and that you should service the bow thruster at the same time. There are procedures in the Files section of this Yahoo Group. One of the C Drive Service files was recently placed there by me. It is the Amel procedure in French and English. Download and print all of the files that you find on C Drive and Bow Thruster Service...there are several.

I do not know which propeller you have, but now is the time to service it.

Check the bonding systems by using an ohm meter to check for continuity between rudder zinc's and propeller. If no continuity, you have a problem that needs to be traced before launching. If you are not familiar with the Amel bonding system and have no continuity, you will need an electrician.

You should take this opportunity to grease your toilet thruhull valves from outside the boat. Use a grease gun with waterproof grease and with about a 200-250mm hose. With the thruhull valve closed, one person outside the boat pushes the hose until it touches the valve, pumps some grease. The other person opens the valve. The outside person pushes the hose in another 50mm and pumps more grease. The inside person opens and closes the valve many times. You may need to repeat this several times to get the valve completely greased. Don't do this for input lines...only do this for output lines. The reason is that you do not want to be sucking grease into systems.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 5, 2016 6:10 AM, "santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks a lot, so I take it as draining means taking off the prop and the oil will flow out right?



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins Prima MT80 Zinc Anode

James Alton
 

Peter,

   What weight oil do you use in your engine?   Are the filters usually locally available or what is your source?  

James

On May 5, 2016, at 7:05 AM, mausi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

My fault.

Just talked to Perkins. There is no zinc at all on their engines.

Closed case.
Peter