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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Alan Leslie
 

Every bonding connection in my Super Maramu is made with stainless clamps, except the bolt on connections to the copper strap in the sump and the connection to the rudder, and some pump frames that have a bonding terminal.
I think that article whilst very good in some respects (eg house electricians!) has also some not quite correct information in it.
This SS clamp thing for example, he says it won't work, but it does. The story about batteries discharging when left on a concrete floor, I think that has been debunked quite a few times.
Take everything with a grain of salt, use common sense, and above all on these boats don't change it until you have really thought it through, there's a reason it is the way it is...maybe we just haven;t worked out what it is yet.
Cheers from Fiji
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

That they are.  

It’s not perfect, and requires more maintenance and awareness to be sure that there is a good, low resisitance connection between the bonding circuit and the hardware.  If it is kept it clean and shiny and it will work fine.  

In a perfect work, every piece of marine hardware would come with a proper ground terminal  connection.  We certainly do not live in a perfect world!



On May 30, 2016, at 23:58, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The LP pump for the watermaker, the A/C pump, a few things on the manifold, the fuel fill and a few other things are all attached with S/S hose clamps.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

  

Proper seacocks have screw posts for terminating the wires with crimped on terminals.

 

It’s not perfect, the terminals need to be renewed every few years, especially if they get damp with salt water, but it is better than hose clamps.

 

 

 

On May 30, 2016, at 23:48, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes I am not sure how else one would connect them, perhaps with a copper tie rather than S/S certainly one of the wires looked very corroded.

 

Andrew

SM 472


On 31 May 2016, at 05:28, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

  

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

eric freedman
 

The LP pump for the watermaker, the A/C pump, a few things on the manifold, the fuel fill and a few other things are all attached with S/S hose clamps.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

 

Proper seacocks have screw posts for terminating the wires with crimped on terminals.

 

It’s not perfect, the terminals need to be renewed every few years, especially if they get damp with salt water, but it is better than hose clamps.

 

 

 

On May 30, 2016, at 23:48, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes I am not sure how else one would connect them, perhaps with a copper tie rather than S/S certainly one of the wires looked very corroded.

 

Andrew

SM 472


On 31 May 2016, at 05:28, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

  

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Proper seacocks have screw posts for terminating the wires with crimped on terminals.

It’s not perfect, the terminals need to be renewed every few years, especially if they get damp with salt water, but it is better than hose clamps.



On May 30, 2016, at 23:48, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Yes I am not sure how else one would connect them, perhaps with a copper tie rather than S/S certainly one of the wires looked very corroded.

Andrew
SM 472


On 31 May 2016, at 05:28, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

  

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Yes I am not sure how else one would connect them, perhaps with a copper tie rather than S/S certainly one of the wires looked very corroded.

Andrew
SM 472


On 31 May 2016, at 05:28, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

 

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

eric freedman
 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

 

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

Andrew
SM 472

Canet en Roussillon


On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Enio,
I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Enio,
I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

karkauai
 

Enio,
I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
"Currently" Bonaire


On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Ben;

I just went through the exact same problem with our 150 l/hr Dessalator on our 54. I contacted MARTIN the main tech for Dessalator and we diagnosed the problem to the control box inside the high pressure pump. I'm not sure which HP pump you have, ours has the LaFert 2,2 HP pump (if I remember correctly). Inside the box on top of the pump there are two capacitors and one proprietary controller. One of the capacitors is for startup and the other one is for making sure the motor spin direction is correct. The controller controls the time and which capacitor is charged and discharged. I did not get into the Intricate details of exactly how everything works.

Once I changed the controller, everything worked fine. Martin is a very knowledgable person and knows the Dessalator system inside out and I would suggest you call him to debug the problem. He is also a very nice person that speaks fluent English. His number is +33 6 07 34 65 11.

Good luck and let us know how everything goes.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #99


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sheet traveler for Super Maramu

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

Please let us know where you find this.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 3:18 PM, "mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill, Walter, and Olivier.  I think this is enough info to get the spares that I need.


  Mark Pitt
 Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Carloforte, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Good point, Danny. The Onan that Ben has is probably the same model as BeBe.

Ben, you never mentioned any error code, so assumed there was no error code. Was there an error code? Insufficient water flow is 7 blinks. Did you have this error?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 3:44 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does the onan have a protection system that shuts it down if the salt water cooling has inadequate flow? If so this could be the cause as the dessalator takes water from the same source, the sea chest.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2016 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 
I will check out those condensers.  I just don't know how generator can shut down without throwing a breaker?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On May 30, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Ben,

OK, you know how difficult it is to diagnose something by email, but, I will risk being wrong:
Your problem is centered around the High Pressure pump motor. I am going to guess that the pair of condensers on top of that motor are either bad or there is a short in the wiring there.

I saw the exact symptoms on another 160L SM. The guy had recently changed the condensers and wired them wrong. I assume that you have not changed anything so I assume either bad condensers or a short. Of course you could have an electric motor problem, but check out the condensers.

Floow this link for additional info:

Let me know if this helps.

Bill
BeBe 387
Carriacou


On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity..  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down.. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  

I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  

It seems as no breakers are thrown on either gener ator or Dessalator, this must be water flow rela ted.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 

I could use some team help.
Thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
Dominica 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Does the onan have a protection system that shuts it down if the salt water cooling has inadequate flow? If so this could be the cause as the dessalator takes water from the same source, the sea chest.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2016 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 
I will check out those condensers.  I just don't know how generator can shut down without throwing a breaker?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On May 30, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Ben,

OK, you know how difficult it is to diagnose something by email, but, I will risk being wrong:
Your problem is centered around the High Pressure pump motor. I am going to guess that the pair of condensers on top of that motor are either bad or there is a short in the wiring there.

I saw the exact symptoms on another 160L SM. The guy had recently changed the condensers and wired them wrong. I assume that you have not changed anything so I assume either bad condensers or a short. Of course you could have an electric motor problem, but check out the condensers.

Floow this link for additional info:

Let me know if this helps.

Bill
BeBe 387
Carriacou


On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity..  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down.. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  

I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  

It seems as no breakers are thrown on either generator or Dessalator, this must be water flow rela ted.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 

I could use some team help.
Thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
Dominica 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sheet traveler for Super Maramu

Mark Pitt
 

Thanks Bill, Walter, and Olivier.  I think this is enough info to get the spares that I need.

  Mark Pitt
 Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Carloforte, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

rossienio@...
 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

karkauai
 

Thanks Bill and Richard.  Obviously beyond my pay grade.
Kent


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt Water in Bilge in hallway next to fwd head.

karkauai
 

I have the same local sea cocks on SM243.
Kent


On May 30, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,


Richard is talking about older boats that have a local seawater supply to the fore and aft heads.  In both cases there are seacocks just outside the head in the “hallway”.

In later models Amel added the toilet feeds to the main seachest.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On May 30, 2016, at 11:03, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Richard,

Where is that seacock?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 30, 2016 9:54 AM, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There is a salt water feed sea cock to the forward head. That hose can leak and the old hose clamps fail with time. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

On May 29, 2016, at 23:42, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric has a Santorin, not sure of hull number.  No air conditioners, so most likely the bow thruster.  There are some good instructions on how to tweak the tension on the cable, I think in the files section.  I found that if I use a sealant around the lip seal, and pack the seal with waterproof grease, it lasts a lot longer.

Other possibilities are chain wash pump connections, and chain locker drain connections or valve.

Those with Air Conditioning could have a leak in the cooling pump system.  Anything that leaks forward of the bulkhead will accumulate there.

Where are y'all now?  Still on the Chesapeake?
Kent
SM243
Kristy&nbs p;
Currently Bonaire 


On May 29, 2016, at 4:18 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm sure this has been discussed before but.


Why is there salt water accumulating in the bilge area in front of my, i just replaced the bow thruster seals these are brand new.


Any other ideas?  Bow locker?







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi. Kent there is a high load/ draw on the generator motor that is over powering the diesel. It's not a short if it went on long enough he'd have an over heat blown breaker. Second if the motor started is bad and the motor draws are high the heat build up in the motor will cause issues. 
Without doing some detailed trouble shooting on site it's tough to determine the cause. That said I'd ck the capacitors/condensers first. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On May 30, 2016, at 11:24, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I don't understand how a faulty motor causes the generator to shut down without throwing a breaker.  Can someone elucidate?
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On May 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would check the capacitors on the high pressure pump.

That’s my best guess- unless there is a short in the motor or wiring.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 

 

No. Only that generator shuts down

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

CG #1120066

SM #347


On May 30, 2016, at 8:16 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Do you know how much current the water maker is drawing just before it shuts down?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 

 

Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity.  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  

 

I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  

 

It seems as no breakers are thrown on either generator or Dessalator, this must be water flow related.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 

 

I could use some team help.

Thanks 

 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Dominica 

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt Water in Bilge in hallway next to fwd head.

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Bill there is a small sea cock under the floor in front of the forward head door. On many SM and Maramus it feed the forward head and anchor wash systems. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On May 30, 2016, at 12:17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Yes, I assumed that Richard was talking about older boats.

I simply asked where the seacock was located. You answered my question.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 11:59 AM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Richard is talking about older boats that have a local seawater supply to the fore and aft heads.  In both cases there are seacocks just outside the head in the “hallway”.

In later models Amel added the toilet feeds to the main seachest.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida


On May 30, 2016, at 11:03, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Richard,

Where is that seacock?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 9:54 AM, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There is a salt water feed sea cock to the forward head. That hose can leak and the old hose clamps fail with time. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

On May 29, 2016, at 23:42, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric has a Santorin, not sure of hull number.  No air conditioners, so most likely the bow thruster.  There are some good instructions on how to tweak the tension on the cable, I think in the files section.  I found that if I use a sealant around the lip seal, and pack the seal with waterproof grease, it lasts a lot longer.

Other possibilities are chain wash pump connections, and chain locker drain connections or valve.

Those with Air Conditioning could have a leak in the cooling pump system.  Anything that leaks forward of the bulkhead will accumulate there.

Where are y'all now?  Still on the Chesapeake?
Kent
SM243
Kristy&nbs p;
Currently Bonaire 


On May 29, 2016, at 4:18 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm sure this has been discussed before but.


Why is there salt water accumulating in the bilge area in front of my, i just replaced the bow thruster seals these are brand new.


Any other ideas?  Bow locker?