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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Depth Transducer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is possible that you have a lot of growth on the transducer.

The way that you remove it is unscrew the retainer or the transducer and pull it out replacing it with the plug. Yes you will get some water. Depending on how good and quick you are from a few ounces up to a quart (liter).

These rarely fail and I am not sure of the test procedure, but you do not have to pull out the depth transducer to test it.

If I find the test procedure, I will post it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 7, 2016 1:44 AM, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Is it possible to lift out the B&G Depth Transducer part 401-00-012 from inside the hull without sinking the boat? There is a Cap to replace the sensor. Is there any information available of how to test the unit, maintenance or whatever. I am getting the dreaded "- - - -" on my Hydra 2 FFD. It is possible a poor signal due to sitting in the marina berth for 6 months.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: B&G Depth Transducer

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hello
If you like, I can send you the fault finding part of the B&G Hydra 2 manual concerning the depth transducer. With that in hand you can move forward. Just provide me with your email.

Best - Daniel

HEUREKA
SN 64 (1992)
Kuşadası, Turkey


B&G Depth Transducer

seagasm@...
 

Is it possible to lift out the B&G Depth Transducer part 401-00-012 from inside the hull without sinking the boat? There is a Cap to replace the sensor. Is there any information available of how to test the unit, maintenance or whatever. I am getting the dreaded "- - - -" on my Hydra 2 FFD. It is possible a poor signal due to sitting in the marina berth for 6 months.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Craig it looks like the top is assembled differently.

Otherwise the same idea.

Thanks

Eric

Did you get the video of our sail to Colombia?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

 

 

Eric,

 

No, just the one of lifting the upper unit with "trumpet" attached and the other pic of the upper unit suspended in the cockpit. I ran a line around the upper bracket of the upper unit with each end to the primary winches. Then I had a second line lifting on the C drive's input shaft going up to the main sheet sheave on the boom and forward to the main mast balooner winch to give as much vertical lift as possible. That gave a pretty good straight up lift and, after tensioning the lines to, I'd guess, 3 or 4 hundred pounds, a couple of taps on the trumpet popped it loose and it lifted up about 2 inches. Easy from there.

 

Is the SM "C drive" just a little longer than my SN drive.  I'd thought they were identical.

 

Craig



---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

Wow you did some job on that sail drive. Although it is different than the Super Maramu it is similar in many ways. Do you have more photos of the engine room side?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

 

 

Hi Eric, 

Have sent the pics to your private email. 

 

Btw, as I did this project I noticed there's a drain hole in the bottom of the lower C drive, similar to the hole in the bottom of the rudder, as that section below the propeller is simply a hollow fairing. One more interesting Amel design detail.  So if you get water weeping from the C drive after you haul, this is why. Worth cleaning up any fouling in the gap between the keel shoe plate and the bottom of the C drive.

Cheers,

Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig Briggs
 

Eric,

No, just the one of lifting the upper unit with "trumpet" attached and the other pic of the upper unit suspended in the cockpit. I ran a line around the upper bracket of the upper unit with each end to the primary winches. Then I had a second line lifting on the C drive's input shaft going up to the main sheet sheave on the boom and forward to the main mast balooner winch to give as much vertical lift as possible. That gave a pretty good straight up lift and, after tensioning the lines to, I'd guess, 3 or 4 hundred pounds, a couple of taps on the trumpet popped it loose and it lifted up about 2 inches. Easy from there.

Is the SM "C drive" just a little longer than my SN drive.  I'd thought they were identical.

Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

Wow you did some job on that sail drive. Although it is different than the Super Maramu it is similar in many ways. Do you have more photos of the engine room side?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

 

 

Hi Eric, 

Have sent the pics to your private email. 

 

Btw, as I did this project I noticed there's a drain hole in the bottom of the lower C drive, similar to the hole in the bottom of the rudder, as that section below the propeller is simply a hollow fairing. One more interesting Amel design detail.  So if you get water weeping from the C drive after you haul, this is why. Worth cleaning up any fouling in the gap between the keel shoe plate and the bottom of the C drive.

Cheers,

Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,
Interesting observation - it seemed like one of those purposeful Amel things. The space does not communicate with anything - it is simply a hollow void below the propeller shaft housing. I suppose if you sealed it you would have about 1 cubic foot of air sealed off with, what?, 62 pounds of buoyancy. Then again, with the hole open it may still be filled with air as there is no vent on the top. Then again, there is no vent on top of the rudder and it fills up with water. So maybe it's one of those things that is really of no consequence. Although if your seal leaked and some water did make its way inside it would not drain out and I suppose it could, under some strange circumstance, freeze and crack the housing. Unless Olivier has an engineering explanation to the contrary, I suspect this is not an important issue.
Cheers,
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hi Craig, et al.
I think it's in the thread about my CDrive problems somewhere that this hole in the bottom of the "foot" was the result of the manufacturing process.  Olivier said to fill and seal it.
I don't know what it communicates with.

Kent
SM243
Kristy
Currently Bonaire 


On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:03 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric, 

Have sent the pics to your private email. 

Btw, as I did this project I noticed there's a drain hole in the bottom of the lower C drive, similar to the hole in the bottom of the rudder, as that section below the propeller is simply a hollow fairing. One more interesting Amel design detail.  So if you get water weeping from the C drive after you haul, this is why. Worth cleaning up any fouling in the gap between the keel shoe plate and the bottom of the C drive.
Cheers,
Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Mike, the brass gear is probably worn in the gearbox. I know mine was. I think getting a new gearbos is not a bad idea, possibly Amel can order you a new top plate as a spare.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

Thanks Mike,

I think you will find it much cheaper and quite satisfactory to have a new top plate made by an engineering firm rather than buying a new gear box

Regards

Danny

 


From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

Thanks Danny. As usual, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. And it seems Amel owners find many ways.

Mike

ALETES SM#240

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Hi Mike, I had the same problem. Heat from a gas torch works well, you and I both should have started there. I was hauled out at the marina in Colon and as preventative maintenance decided to replace the bearings before the big pacific crossing. When the shaft wouldn't move I asked the yard for a man with a gas torch. I got a big man with a big gear puller and a big hammer.. Same result as you. Then they sent a man with a gas torch, came apart easily. I got a new top plate made at an engineering firm in Colon. When you are fixed and reassembling put lanacote on the shaft, works long term, much better than grease

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

_____

From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force.. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

Proposed next steps:

1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I have been using the marine grade anti seize twice a year . (Link Below)

The shaft slips out easily.

I also took about a two thousands of an inch off of the width of the key.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#antiseize-lubricants/=12qpw4z

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

Hi Mike, I had the same problem. Heat from a gas torch works well, you and I both should have started there. I was hauled out at the marina in Colon and as preventative maintenance decided to replace the bearings before the big pacific crossing. When the shaft wouldn't move I asked the yard for a man with a gas torch. I got a big man with a big gear puller and a big hammer. Same result as you. Then they sent a man with a gas torch, came apart easily.  I got a new top plate made at an engineering firm in Colon. When you are fixed and reassembling put lanacote on the shaft, works long term, much better than grease

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

 

Proposed next steps:

 

1)      Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2)      After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

 

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

 

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.

 

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Mike,
I think you will find it much cheaper and quite satisfactory to have a new top plate made by an engineering firm rather than buying a new gear box
Regards
Danny



From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2016 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 
Thanks Danny. As usual, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. And it seems Amel owners find many ways.

Mike

ALETES SM#240

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Hi Mike, I had the same problem. Heat from a gas torch works well, you and I both should have started there. I was hauled out at the marina in Colon and as preventative maintenance decided to replace the bearings before the big pacific crossing. When the shaft wouldn't move I asked the yard for a man with a gas torch. I got a big man with a big gear puller and a big hammer.. Same result as you. Then they sent a man with a gas torch, came apart easily. I got a new top plate made at an engineering firm in Colon. When you are fixed and reassembling put lanacote on the shaft, works long term, much better than grease

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

_____

From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force.. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

Proposed next steps:

1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks Danny. As usual, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. And it seems Amel owners find many ways.

Mike

ALETES SM#240



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Hi Mike, I had the same problem. Heat from a gas torch works well, you and I both should have started there. I was hauled out at the marina in Colon and as preventative maintenance decided to replace the bearings before the big pacific crossing. When the shaft wouldn't move I asked the yard for a man with a gas torch. I got a big man with a big gear puller and a big hammer. Same result as you. Then they sent a man with a gas torch, came apart easily. I got a new top plate made at an engineering firm in Colon. When you are fixed and reassembling put lanacote on the shaft, works long term, much better than grease

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl



_____

From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.



Proposed next steps:



1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.



Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.



Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.



Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike, I had the same problem. Heat from a gas torch works well, you and I both should have started there. I was hauled out at the marina in Colon and as preventative maintenance decided to replace the bearings before the big pacific crossing. When the shaft wouldn't move I asked the yard for a man with a gas torch. I got a big man with a big gear puller and a big hammer. Same result as you. Then they sent a man with a gas torch, came apart easily.  I got a new top plate made at an engineering firm in Colon. When you are fixed and reassembling put lanacote on the shaft, works long term, much better than grease
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 
I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.
 
Proposed next steps:
 
1)      Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?
2)      After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.
 
Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.
 
Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.
 
Mike Ondra
ALETES SM#240
Rock Hall, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

I agree on the value of a grease fitting and relief hole for the gearbox.
This gearbox is a bear to remove and open up to re-grease. I do want to
remind others, however, that this grease does not get to the rusty shaft
problem at all and periodic lubrication of the shaft is still required.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 1:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Mike,

it is the same drawing. I believe it is one I might have sent to Bill to
post.

Looks like you will need a new gearbox (ouch) from Amel.



I was fortunate to get the last two disassemble gearboxes in the USA from
Emmerson Electric.



Before you mount the new gearbox, I would suggest you drill and tap a 5 mm
hole on the port and starboard side of the gearbox. The autoprop grease
adapter will fit in these holes. Drill one high and the other low. I fill
through the lower drill hole and wait till clean grease comes out of the
upper drill hole. I then install a short nylon bolt. They come in bags of
50.

I have done this on both gearboxes, and the genoa furler.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 1:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Eric,

Thank you for the offer. Email is mdondra at Verizon dot net.

Also Walter already uploaded to Yahoo the Leroy Sumer technical data and
drawings. Perhaps yours are different?

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Please send me your email and I will send you a drawing of the gearbox.

I removed the shaft by removing the boom, turning it upside down on the deck
supported by wood dunnage,

And then installing a long socket head cap screw-grade 10 and then driving
it out with a large sledge hammer. I use an anti-seize compound on it twice
a year now.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that
drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force.
After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I
had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some
aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the
top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the
gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear
still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

Proposed next steps:

1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how
that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a
gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat
which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least
once a year.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Craig,

Wow you did some job on that sail drive. Although it is different than the Super Maramu it is similar in many ways. Do you have more photos of the engine room side?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

 

 

Hi Eric, 

Have sent the pics to your private email. 

 

Btw, as I did this project I noticed there's a drain hole in the bottom of the lower C drive, similar to the hole in the bottom of the rudder, as that section below the propeller is simply a hollow fairing. One more interesting Amel design detail.  So if you get water weeping from the C drive after you haul, this is why. Worth cleaning up any fouling in the gap between the keel shoe plate and the bottom of the C drive.

Cheers,

Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Mike,

it is the same drawing. I believe it is one I might have sent to Bill to post.

Looks like you will need a new gearbox (ouch) from Amel.

 

I was fortunate to get the last two disassemble gearboxes in the USA from Emmerson Electric.

 

Before you mount the new gearbox, I would suggest you drill and tap a  5 mm hole on the port and starboard side of the gearbox. The autoprop grease adapter will fit in these holes. Drill one high and the other low. I fill through the lower drill hole and wait till clean grease comes out of the upper drill hole. I then install a short nylon bolt. They come in bags of 50.

I have done this on both gearboxes, and the genoa furler.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 1:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

Eric,

Thank you for the offer. Email is mdondra at Verizon dot net.

Also Walter already uploaded to Yahoo the Leroy Sumer technical data and
drawings. Perhaps yours are different?

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Please send me your email and I will send you a drawing of the gearbox.

I removed the shaft by removing the boom, turning it upside down on the deck
supported by wood dunnage,

And then installing a long socket head cap screw-grade 10 and then driving
it out with a large sledge hammer. I use an anti-seize compound on it twice
a year now.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that
drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force.
After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I
had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some
aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the
top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the
gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear
still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

Proposed next steps:

1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how
that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a
gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat
which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least
once a year.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Eric,

Thank you for the offer. Email is mdondra at Verizon dot net.

Also Walter already uploaded to Yahoo the Leroy Sumer technical data and
drawings. Perhaps yours are different?

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Mike,

Please send me your email and I will send you a drawing of the gearbox.

I removed the shaft by removing the boom, turning it upside down on the deck
supported by wood dunnage,

And then installing a long socket head cap screw-grade 10 and then driving
it out with a large sledge hammer. I use an anti-seize compound on it twice
a year now.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox





I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that
drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force.
After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I
had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some
aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the
top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the
gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear
still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.



Proposed next steps:



1) Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how
that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a
gear puller?

2) After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat
which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.



Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.



Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least
once a year.



Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Mike,

Please send me your email and I will send you a drawing of the gearbox.

I removed the shaft by removing the boom, turning it upside down on the deck supported by wood dunnage,

And then installing a long socket head cap screw-grade 10 and then driving it out with a large sledge hammer. I use an anti-seize compound on it twice a year now.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

 

 

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

 

Proposed next steps:

 

1)      Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2)      After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

 

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

 

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.

 

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Mike,      If you think you will need a new gearbox and shaft, the simplest solution is the one adopted by Amel in Guadeloupe for us when we were in the same position---take a saw and cut through the shaft where it exits the gearbox. If you take a fret saw , detach the blade, thread it through the gap and reattach it to use it.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


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Sent: 06 June 2016 11:32:55
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mainsail outhaul gearbox
 

I know others have had difficulty extracting from the gearbox the shaft that drives the gypsy, an operation that often requires some significant force. After neglecting to lubricate that shaft for a year or two (maybe more) I had the same problem. Tensioning a halyard to the top of the shaft and some aggressive upward pounding with a sledge hammer succeeded in breaking the top plate of the gearbox. While this facilitated partial disassembly of the gearbox in place, we are left with the core of the gearbox and the gear still in place and frozen to the shaft which remains through the boom.

 

Proposed next steps:

 

1)      Remove the large gear from the core. It was not obvious to me how that gear is splined to the core. Can that gear be extracted downward with a gear puller?

2)      After removing the gear, my thought is to expand the core by heat which hopefully will then allow the shaft to be extracted.

 

Thoughts and suggestions? This is the Leroy Somer MVA M33C gearbox.

 

Suggestion to others, remove and grease the mainsail outhaul shaft at least once a year.

 

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


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Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Walter
 

Hi Mike,
I got it out by disassembling the boom, taking it from the boat and solid punching,
but
you need to put the support in the right place, otherwise you might brake something you don´t want to brake.
If you turn the boom upside down, the support of the boom should be at the hollow output shaft, the one to which the stainless shaft is connected (with a little key). Slide two solid metal bars side by side under the hollow shaft and support them, so there is no load on the boom or the gear box housing when punching.

I´ll put the exploded view of the gearbox in the files section under Leroy Somer Gearbox.

If you work with an shaft extractor it´s the same thing: you need to put the support/metal bar of the extractor to the hollow shaft.

Good luck!

Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Mike,

Here is how I removed the shaft on my vessel.
http://nikimat.com/outhaul_motor_rebuild.html

Thanks for the advice on lobbying the shaft Gary!
If you are still in Puerto Rico, would love to meet you!
I am at the San Juan Nautico Club, but I could rent a car and meet you at Fajardo!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Mon, 6/6/16, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 6, 2016, 6:58 AM


 









Mike:
I feel
for you but I hope you don't make a bad situation worse.
 I pounded on my shaft with a bolt screwed in the bottom
until I thought I would damage the boom and then sought
help.  What is needed was a too that rather easily
"pushed" the shaft upwards.  It was a unique type
of "pusher" as opposed to a "puller".
 I seem to recall a photo of the device somewhere on the
forum.  Basically it is a bar of steel that inserts
transversely thru the opening in the gearbox mounting
bracket that is below the boom.  Shims are placed under it
to bear on the upper surface of the gearbox shaft (the
hollow shaft into which the solid shaft seats and drives
with a woodruff key) and then this is tied with bolts to a
bar parallel to the upper one that is below the gearbox
shaft.  A threaded bold is screwed thru threads in the
lower bar such that as the bolt is screwed in, it pushes up
on the shaft (with a protective piece of metal in place so
as not to damage the shaft end).  Counter pressure is
supplied by the upper bar of steel [basically a puller in
reverse].  A picture would be worth a thousand words here.
 
Please remember
that aluminum remembers every stress and will fatigue fail
if stressed to much from pounding etc.  That is the reason
it is so important to have the pressure on the shaft bear on
the gearbox receptacle shaft (steel) rather than on the
aluminum cover of the gearbox or worse yet on the boom and
its bracket.
WARNING
TO ALL AMEL OWNERS WITH THIESE GEARBOXES, REMOVE AND LUBE
THIS SHAFT YEARLY or suffer the consequences.
Find someone with the right
"pusher".  In my case after I spent hours
pounding, penetrating oiling etc. the mechanic I consulted
had the pusher in his shop and extracted the pin in 10
minutes. 
I wish you
the best, 
Gary S.
Silver Amel SM #335Fajardo, Puerto
Rico   Puerto Del Ray Marina









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