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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

karkauai
 

Bill, that lip seal 30 X 42 X 8
(now 29 X 42 X 8) is the one on the bow thruster by the prop, not the one in the hull where the bow thruster enters the hull.  A failure of the one by the prop would cause leakage of water into the oil, not into the boat.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 8, 2016, at 6:49 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Five things:

Joel explained a drain tube that was added on SM hull number 400 and above. You have 278.

I believe you said that yours leaked without moving the boat. If so your bow is too heavy and too low in the water.

I believe the service intervals should be about every two years

You do not mention securing the bow thruster with the locking pin

Do you read the recent post whereby Amel recommends a slightly different size lip seal? It reads:
"2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8. 

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight. 
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french." 

I believe that you need to address and/or understand all of the above.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 


.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

This will not help you Jose but I am going to mention the problems I had with my bow thruster for the benefit of the forum.

 

When we first bought the boat and were “virgin” Amel owner we did have quite a bit of leaking from the bow thruster on our first voyage, when we were crossing the Gulf de Lion.

 

Since then we have replaced the seals and foot oil each year and have adjusted the rigging to ensure the foot is always pulled up tightly against the seals, when the thruster is in the up position. However we have had a lot of problems both with the raising and lowering mechanism which resulted in us changing the linear actuator 2 years ago, changing the sensors and rebuilding the control box. This part of the system now seems to be working very well.  Having thought our problems were over, last year the bow thruster main motor stopped functioning – there turned out to be issues with the connections of the coils in the armature and commutator - I made some fixes to this (documented on this site) and the motor started functioning again. It has been ok since until last week when the motor failed again.

 

I contacted Maud at Amel (whom incidentally I have always found to be very helpful)  but she told me that these motors are no longer manufactured and at the moment they have no solution to offer either in terms of replacement or reparation. I have found a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan who reckon they should be able to repair the motor, by changing the commutator and possibly some coils – however if they are unable to repair the motor then we have some serious thinking to do to figure out how we can get a working bow thruster again and we may have to even consider a more “conventional” approach to this. It is sobering to think that increasingly we may find that when parts of our boats malfunction that we may not be able to get replacements.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 8 June 2016 13:24
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

 

 

Good morning Jose,

Did “Amel” recommended to add a 3rd seal???

Could you please send me picture of the “system with a clamp” that you develop? I was thinking of a similar device.

I own my vessel since 2012 and the bow thruster also start leaking after 1 year of use (even after being serviced by Amel Martinique with a new bow thruster foot).
Consequently, I checked the bilge near the forward head every time I sail and I also installed a high water alarm and bilge pump.
http://www.nikimat.com/bilge_pump_high_water_alarm_bow_thruster.html

Every year when do the overhaul, the foam look good (but I still change them). I often suspect this is coming from the seal.
It seems the problem start if I accidentally motor over 2.5 kt (bow thruster down) which is some time unavoidable with 2 kt current.

I was also wondering if this was because of the rigging which I have not redone, but I just did the overhaul 2 months ago (and not the rigging) and no leak now even in 9ft seas.

My latest thought is the “contact cement” which could degrades after 1 year, but I don’t know for sure.

Our hull number are not far apart, may be there was a slight different design at that time.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/7/16, jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 9:48 PM


 









Joel,I checked in my boat and as you
mention, there is no draining tube out of the bow thruster
compartment and that explain why we have been frustrated
drying up with a sponge the water that regularly collects
from the leaking bow thruster seals 
Since I bought my boat, I have
serviced the bow thruster and replaced all seals in my SM278
several times (5 in 6 years) .   In all cases a leak
developed around the lip seal soon after service. In fact,
just after I bought the boat, the previous owner told me he
had just serviced the thruster.  I was really shocked when
I found the the compartment filled with water after just one
overnight from Florida to Savanna.  I proceeded to replace
all seals following AMEL instructions and the leak stopped
for about a year.  That was the longest period without a
leak and the start of my saga.
For the second to last service I
spoke with AMEL in France and was recommended to add a third
foam seal to the thruster assembly but that only eliminated
the leak for a few weeks.  As I was about to cross the
Atlantic, I developed a system with a clamp that I secured
around the shaft and pushed down to create a good seal.
 That worked well for the one year trip from Boston to
Spain, Caribe, Santa Marta, Fort Lauderdale and back to
Boston.  Although my solution is good and I recommend it to
anybody doing long crossings,  as I returned to Boston it
became a nuisance to have to clamp and unclamp the thruster
every time we left the marina.  So, taking
advantage that I was  giving Ipanema a new bottom paint las
week, I  serviced the bow thruster system for the last time
and carefully cleaned the surfaces and changed again all the
foam and lip seals and I added two extra turns to the top
screw to bring the motor up as much as It was
possible. Sadly, on my return trip from
Glaucester to Boston under moderate waves I noted again a
leak around the lip seal (brand new) in spite of the fact
that I had to add manually quite a bit of extra tension to
the cable in order to align the holes to pass the securing
pin.  
Do you or
anybody in this group have an idea of why is this leak
persisting in my boat? 
I believe that the bottom two foam
seals should be enough to completely seal the system and the
lip seal should only work during the short period of time
deploying or retracting the bow thruster.  So if they are
not preventing a leak, it must be that in my boat poor
alignment between the sealing surfaces may have developed or
becomes important when tension is added to the cable to
increase the sealing force.
Any suggestion about how to fix this
problem.  It must not be very common as few people complain
about it in this forum, but it may have been enough of a
nuisance for Amel to add the tubbing/valve to isolate and
send the leaking water  to the main bilge. 
Has any one retrofitted such a
tubbing/valve in SM2K earlier than the redlined
version? 
Jose
VenegasIpanema SM2K 278 Constitution
Marina, Boston MA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Jose,

Did “Amel” recommended to add a 3rd seal???

Could you please send me picture of the “system with a clamp” that you develop? I was thinking of a similar device.

I own my vessel since 2012 and the bow thruster also start leaking after 1 year of use (even after being serviced by Amel Martinique with a new bow thruster foot).
Consequently, I checked the bilge near the forward head every time I sail and I also installed a high water alarm and bilge pump.
http://www.nikimat.com/bilge_pump_high_water_alarm_bow_thruster.html

Every year when do the overhaul, the foam look good (but I still change them). I often suspect this is coming from the seal.
It seems the problem start if I accidentally motor over 2.5 kt (bow thruster down) which is some time unavoidable with 2 kt current.

I was also wondering if this was because of the rigging which I have not redone, but I just did the overhaul 2 months ago (and not the rigging) and no leak now even in 9ft seas.

My latest thought is the “contact cement” which could degrades after 1 year, but I don’t know for sure.

Our hull number are not far apart, may be there was a slight different design at that time.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/7/16, jvenegas@alum.mit.edu [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 9:48 PM


 









Joel,I checked in my boat and as you
mention, there is no draining tube out of the bow thruster
compartment and that explain why we have been frustrated
drying up with a sponge the water that regularly collects
from the leaking bow thruster seals 
Since I bought my boat, I have
serviced the bow thruster and replaced all seals in my SM278
several times (5 in 6 years) .   In all cases a leak
developed around the lip seal soon after service. In fact,
just after I bought the boat, the previous owner told me he
had just serviced the thruster.  I was really shocked when
I found the the compartment filled with water after just one
overnight from Florida to Savanna.  I proceeded to replace
all seals following AMEL instructions and the leak stopped
for about a year.  That was the longest period without a
leak and the start of my saga.
For the second to last service I
spoke with AMEL in France and was recommended to add a third
foam seal to the thruster assembly but that only eliminated
the leak for a few weeks.  As I was about to cross the
Atlantic, I developed a system with a clamp that I secured
around the shaft and pushed down to create a good seal.
 That worked well for the one year trip from Boston to
Spain, Caribe, Santa Marta, Fort Lauderdale and back to
Boston.  Although my solution is good and I recommend it to
anybody doing long crossings,  as I returned to Boston it
became a nuisance to have to clamp and unclamp the thruster
every time we left the marina.  So, taking
advantage that I was  giving Ipanema a new bottom paint las
week, I  serviced the bow thruster system for the last time
and carefully cleaned the surfaces and changed again all the
foam and lip seals and I added two extra turns to the top
screw to bring the motor up as much as It was
possible. Sadly, on my return trip from
Glaucester to Boston under moderate waves I noted again a
leak around the lip seal (brand new) in spite of the fact
that I had to add manually quite a bit of extra tension to
the cable in order to align the holes to pass the securing
pin.  
Do you or
anybody in this group have an idea of why is this leak
persisting in my boat? 
I believe that the bottom two foam
seals should be enough to completely seal the system and the
lip seal should only work during the short period of time
deploying or retracting the bow thruster.  So if they are
not preventing a leak, it must be that in my boat poor
alignment between the sealing surfaces may have developed or
becomes important when tension is added to the cable to
increase the sealing force.
Any suggestion about how to fix this
problem.  It must not be very common as few people complain
about it in this forum, but it may have been enough of a
nuisance for Amel to add the tubbing/valve to isolate and
send the leaking water  to the main bilge. 
Has any one retrofitted such a
tubbing/valve in SM2K earlier than the redlined
version? 
Jose
VenegasIpanema SM2K 278 Constitution
Marina, Boston MA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Five things:

Joel explained a drain tube that was added on SM hull number 400 and above. You have 278.

I believe you said that yours leaked without moving the boat. If so your bow is too heavy and too low in the water.

I believe the service intervals should be about every two years

You do not mention securing the bow thruster with the locking pin

Do you read the recent post whereby Amel recommends a slightly different size lip seal? It reads:
"2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8. 

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight. 
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french." 

I believe that you need to address and/or understand all of the above.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 

Just a thought. When sailing, do you secure the bowtruster with the stainless steel pin?

The times we have leakage is when we forget to secure it with the pin.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232
In Portimao, Portugal
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8 juni 2016 kl. 05:20 skrev jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Eric,


The leak is through the lip seal.  It is very clear every time the bow goes under water.  It is a recurrent and frustrating problem.

I will be around this weekend if the weather is not good.  Otherwise may be heading to Glaucester.  When are you coming up exactly? 

Let me know and I would love to chat about your experience in Santa Marta.  We went by Santa Marta and Cartagena 3 years ago.  No bow thruster leak but only because I had clamped the extra seal.

Jose 
Ipanema SM278
Boston


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Just a thought. When sailing, do you secure the bowtruster with the stainless steel pin?

The times we have leakage is when we forget to secure it with the pin.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232
In Portimao, Portugal
------------------------------------
Facebook: Sailinglife.se
Twitter, Instagram: sailinglifese

Skickat från min iPad

8 juni 2016 kl. 05:20 skrev jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Eric,


The leak is through the lip seal.  It is very clear every time the bow goes under water.  It is a recurrent and frustrating problem.

I will be around this weekend if the weather is not good.  Otherwise may be heading to Glaucester.  When are you coming up exactly? 

Let me know and I would love to chat about your experience in Santa Marta.  We went by Santa Marta and Cartagena 3 years ago.  No bow thruster leak but only because I had clamped the extra seal.

Jose 
Ipanema SM278
Boston


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

eric freedman
 

Hi Jose,

My email is Kimberlite@....

Let’s chat there. I could drop by Saturday afternoon.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

 

 

Eric,

 

The leak is through the lip seal.  It is very clear every time the bow goes under water.  It is a recurrent and frustrating problem.

 

I will be around this weekend if the weather is not good.  Otherwise may be heading to Glaucester.  When are you coming up exactly? 

 

Let me know and I would love to chat about your experience in Santa Marta.  We went by Santa Marta and Cartagena 3 years ago.  No bow thruster leak but only because I had clamped the extra seal.

 

Jose 

Ipanema SM278

Boston


Re: Bow thruster

Jose Venegas
 

Eric,

The leak is through the lip seal.  It is very clear every time the bow goes under water.  It is a recurrent and frustrating problem.

I will be around this weekend if the weather is not good.  Otherwise may be heading to Glaucester.  When are you coming up exactly? 

Let me know and I would love to chat about your experience in Santa Marta.  We went by Santa Marta and Cartagena 3 years ago.  No bow thruster leak but only because I had clamped the extra seal.

Jose 
Ipanema SM278
Boston


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

eric freedman
 

Hola Jose,

Exactly where is the bow thruster leaking?

Is it around the large lip seal and the foam disks, or is it coming up the bow thruster and leaking oily water.?Your problem seems somewhat isolated in this forum. Most people who rebuild the thruster have no further problems. 2 months ago we beat into 35-50 knots for 9 days from Santa Marta Colombia to Guadeloupe and not a drop of water entered.

Do you plan on being in Boston this weekend. I am headed up there by car on business and possibly we can meet.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

 

 

Joel,

I checked in my boat and as you mention, there is no draining tube out of the bow thruster compartment and that explain why we have been frustrated drying up with a sponge the water that regularly collects from the leaking bow thruster seals 

 

Since I bought my boat, I have serviced the bow thruster and replaced all seals in my SM278 several times (5 in 6 years) .   In all cases a leak developed around the lip seal soon after service. In fact, just after I bought the boat, the previous owner told me he had just serviced the thruster.  I was really shocked when I found the the compartment filled with water after just one overnight from Florida to Savanna.  I proceeded to replace all seals following AMEL instructions and the leak stopped for about a year.  That was the longest period without a leak and the start of my saga.

 

For the second to last service I spoke with AMEL in France and was recommended to add a third foam seal to the thruster assembly but that only eliminated the leak for a few weeks.  As I was about to cross the Atlantic, I developed a system with a clamp that I secured around the shaft and pushed down to create a good seal.  That worked well for the one year trip from Boston to Spain, Caribe, Santa Marta, Fort Lauderdale and back to Boston.  Although my solution is good and I recommend it to anybody doing long crossings,  as I returned to Boston it became a nuisance to have to clamp and unclamp the thruster every time we left the marina.  

So, taking advantage that I was  giving Ipanema a new bottom paint las week, I  serviced the bow thruster system for the last time and carefully cleaned the surfaces and changed again all the foam and lip seals and I added two extra turns to the top screw to bring the motor up as much as It was possible. 

Sadly, on my return trip from Glaucester to Boston under moderate waves I noted again a leak around the lip seal (brand new) in spite of the fact that I had to add manually quite a bit of extra tension to the cable in order to align the holes to pass the securing pin.  

 

Do you or anybody in this group have an idea of why is this leak persisting in my boat? 

 

I believe that the bottom two foam seals should be enough to completely seal the system and the lip seal should only work during the short period of time deploying or retracting the bow thruster.  So if they are not preventing a leak, it must be that in my boat poor alignment between the sealing surfaces may have developed or becomes important when tension is added to the cable to increase the sealing force.

 

Any suggestion about how to fix this problem.  It must not be very common as few people complain about it in this forum, but it may have been enough of a nuisance for Amel to add the tubbing/valve to isolate and send the leaking water  to the main bilge. 

 

Has any one retrofitted such a tubbing/valve in SM2K earlier than the redlined version? 

 

Jose Venegas

Ipanema SM2K 278 

Constitution Marina, Boston MA

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster

Jose Venegas
 

Joel,
I checked in my boat and as you mention, there is no draining tube out of the bow thruster compartment and that explain why we have been frustrated drying up with a sponge the water that regularly collects from the leaking bow thruster seals 

Since I bought my boat, I have serviced the bow thruster and replaced all seals in my SM278 several times (5 in 6 years) .   In all cases a leak developed around the lip seal soon after service. In fact, just after I bought the boat, the previous owner told me he had just serviced the thruster.  I was really shocked when I found the the compartment filled with water after just one overnight from Florida to Savanna.  I proceeded to replace all seals following AMEL instructions and the leak stopped for about a year.  That was the longest period without a leak and the start of my saga.

For the second to last service I spoke with AMEL in France and was recommended to add a third foam seal to the thruster assembly but that only eliminated the leak for a few weeks.  As I was about to cross the Atlantic, I developed a system with a clamp that I secured around the shaft and pushed down to create a good seal.  That worked well for the one year trip from Boston to Spain, Caribe, Santa Marta, Fort Lauderdale and back to Boston.  Although my solution is good and I recommend it to anybody doing long crossings,  as I returned to Boston it became a nuisance to have to clamp and unclamp the thruster every time we left the marina.  
So, taking advantage that I was  giving Ipanema a new bottom paint las week, I  serviced the bow thruster system for the last time and carefully cleaned the surfaces and changed again all the foam and lip seals and I added two extra turns to the top screw to bring the motor up as much as It was possible. 
Sadly, on my return trip from Glaucester to Boston under moderate waves I noted again a leak around the lip seal (brand new) in spite of the fact that I had to add manually quite a bit of extra tension to the cable in order to align the holes to pass the securing pin.  

Do you or anybody in this group have an idea of why is this leak persisting in my boat? 

I believe that the bottom two foam seals should be enough to completely seal the system and the lip seal should only work during the short period of time deploying or retracting the bow thruster.  So if they are not preventing a leak, it must be that in my boat poor alignment between the sealing surfaces may have developed or becomes important when tension is added to the cable to increase the sealing force.

Any suggestion about how to fix this problem.  It must not be very common as few people complain about it in this forum, but it may have been enough of a nuisance for Amel to add the tubbing/valve to isolate and send the leaking water  to the main bilge. 

Has any one retrofitted such a tubbing/valve in SM2K earlier than the redlined version? 

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278 
Constitution Marina, Boston MA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Not sure what the 11604A is on yours...

On the link, I put pictures of mine.
http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html

Alexandre


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On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:45 AM


 









Hi Alex.  Mine is MDKAL/ 11604AI don't see
anything about B specsKent

Sent from my
iPhone
On Jun 7, 2016, at 12:18
PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Hello Kent, I think I can build a new boat !!!



Looks like we have the same genset or I am mistaking?

I have the MDKAL (B Specs) as well

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Alexandre



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On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 9:29 AM





 



















Wow!  I knew you had a lot of spares,

Alex...didn't realize you could build a whole new

genset!

Thanks.

My ONAN is a 6.5 kW

MDKAL/11604A

I'll have to see

how many parts are interchangeable.

KentSM243Kristy
On Jun 7,

2016, at 10:09 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us

had to change it.







Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?)
like

on BeBe?







Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the

Genset:



http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html







I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust

mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the

bottom.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







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On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM











 







































Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back



in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should
order



those control cards as a group if they have to

manufacture



them???.  That could take months!I guess I'll go



ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other



spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have
filters,



impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift

pump,



relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on



Kristy in the past.



I took the liberty to



change the subject.



Thanks for the update



and info, Alex!



KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire







Sent from my



iPhone



On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22



AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:



































































 



























Generator back working !!!















May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset

and



he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896







May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control
card





(cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May
26.













Checking on progress, there actually was no card left,

so



Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun

9.











Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a



manufacturer for the card… but they found one in
Maine…





(why didn’t they see it earlier…)







The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and

it



worked.















Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY

Eleuthera,



SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am



ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part
number



0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.”


he



was right.















I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was



cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless:

there



was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the



engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention

wasn’t



able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.















Sincerely, Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico















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On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com>



wrote:















Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure

(Field



Breaker) won’t start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM















Hello Mark,















I start it and it shuts down right away. 







There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220

Volt







devices Off before I start the genset). 







As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp







breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause



is







“before” the courant leaves the genset. 















The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check







generator)” which means something wrong with the







generator. 







You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check







generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch







off. 







I think would be more accurate to say a “module”
or







something inside the generator is faulty which causes



the







breaker to pop up. 















I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my







genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from

Puerto







Rico and will recommend me someone. 







I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I
open



it







and look at the module I doubt I will see anything
that







makes sense to me… 















I will keep the forum posted!















Sincerely, Alexandre































--------------------------------------------







On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com







[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:















Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure



(Field







Breaker) won’t start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM























 































   























     







       







       







       Hi Alexandre,







I need to better







understand,







 Does the generator start, run for a







little and then shut down? If so, how long does it







run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check







Generator)” that is popping to cause the







shutdown?Is this happening with no







load?  With best regards,  Mark







 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream







Puff  www.creampuff.us







 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]















Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]







Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t







start    Good afternoon Mark,







I also think the big wave and the generator







failure are not connected (unless a module or

something







inside it got loose/disconnected).







But I







think if it was something “engine” related like

the







electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker

(Check







Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the







“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me



think







about an issue on the “generator” side.







But I will be investigating.







Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre















--------------------------------------------







On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com







[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:















Subject: RE: [Amel







Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker)

won’t







start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM























 















































































Alexandre,







 A couple of







thoughts: the fact the







generator runs, or







briefly runs would indicate nothing







mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would







operate on the







assumption the big wave and







the generator failure were not







connected. Is







it possible that you have a clogged fuel line







and is the electric fuel pump working







correctly? Is the







exhaust clear of any







blockage? Is the airflow into the







engine







obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the







 injector to check for fuel flow. You should







see fuel







leaking out when the engine is







cranked. Also, could it be a







faulty sensor







(heat or oil)? But I think either of these







would shut the generator off but they would pop







the fault







thingamajig.







 







   With best







regards,  Mark  Super







Maramu







2000Hull







#275www.creampuff.usCurrently







cruising:  Cambridge Cay –







Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas







 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]















Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]







Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t







start    Good morning Bill,















During the trip I tried to







start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was







pretty tired







I just tried again same







result… shuts down right away…















I am afraid, like you wrote that it is







internal and will be looking for an Onan







authorized dealer







(well good I am in Puerto







Rico and not in Dominican Republic







anymore!)















As always thanks very much for







your help.







I will keep the







forum updates on







what failed, possibly the







cause, etc.















Sincerely,







Alexandre







SM2K #289







NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San







Juan, Puerto







Rico















--------------------------------------------







On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy







Rouse'







yahoogroups@svbebe.com







[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:















Subject: Re: [Amel







Yacht







Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t







start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM























 















































































OK. I understand the model you







have. I think it is better than mine because







it







is







simpler.







Try this: Turn







OFF the 30 Amp







230VAC breaker on







the side.







Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If







it







does, the short is external of the







generator







and your guess







is







as good as mine, but I







would start with the







shore







power/generator







solenoid box.







If you have the







same results







as before, the







short is internal...if so,







find







an authorized Onan







dealer/mechanic.







Bill Rouse















BeBe Amel 53 #387















Sent from my tablet















+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail







On May 9, 2016 4:15







PM,







"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com







[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:































































































































 















































































Good







afternoon Bill,































Regarding the







“Field







Breaker” (check generator) I put







a







link to







the pictures of my







genset:















http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html































For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures







of







my front







panel















http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg































I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top







of







my Emergency







Stop and the







30 Amp 230 VAC







switch on the left side as







well.







































As of now, when I start the







generator, the







“Field







Breaker” (check generator) will







pop and shut down right







away







the genset.















I also suspect







an electrical







short somewhere… just not







sure where to







start…































Thanks in advance, sincerely,







Alexandre































--------------------------------------------















On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill







& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com







[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:































Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht







Owners] Generator failure (Field







Breaker)







won’t start















To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com















Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,







2:54 PM















































 































































































































































Alex,















I am not sure what you mean







by







"field















breaker."







Could you







explain that further. My Onan







has















an







Emergency







Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a















230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This







30







Amp breaker is on the







left















side of







the generator, the







other two are on the







main















generator control







panel. Mine will not start







with either







the















Emergency







or the DC set to OFF. It will start







with







those







two















ON and the 30 Amp OFF.















Also, am I correct that you generator will















start and run, but shuts







down







when something...possibly







what















you refer







to as field breaker,







is turned ON? That







sounds







to















me a an electrical short.















I know we have different







models, but they















aren't







that different.















Let me







know.























Bill Rouse































BeBe Amel 53 #387































Sent from







my







tablet































+1832-380-4970 USA Voice







Mail















On May







9,







2016 3:08 PM,















"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com















[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>















wrote:































































































































































































































































 































































































































































































Good afternoon,































































The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)







to







San Juan















(Puerto Rico) was







rough (as the







waive were in the nose,







so















lots of pounding.































































As usual I started the







genset







to recharge the batteries,







2















or 3 minutes







later was a big







waive/pounding and it







stopped.























































The “Field







breaker” pop.































































I switch off







all the 220 volt







device, press the “Field















breaker” back, started then







shut down instantly, I







tried















starting with the DC







breaker







off, etc. same it shuts







down















instantly.































I don’t







even know where to start to find the







problem.







































































I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs































http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html































Unless I am mistaking there is no code to







see







(unlike







the















more recent genset).































































Prior that I only used the







genset lasts week







for 18







minutes















all







was ok. Before that was a month before for







1.4 hour







to















exercise all the systems and all was ok.































































Thanks in advance for your







help…































































Sincerely,







Alexandre































SM2K #289 NIKIMAT































Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

























































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

karkauai
 

Hi Alex. Mine is MDKAL/ 11604A
I don't see anything about B specs
Kent

On Jun 7, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello Kent, I think I can build a new boat !!!

Looks like we have the same genset or I am mistaking?
I have the MDKAL (B Specs) as well
http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 9:29 AM












Wow! I knew you had a lot of spares,
Alex...didn't realize you could build a whole new
genset!
Thanks.
My ONAN is a 6.5 kW
MDKAL/11604A
I'll have to see
how many parts are interchangeable.
KentSM243Kristy
On Jun 7,
2016, at 10:09 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:























I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us
had to change it.



Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?) like
on BeBe?



Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the
Genset:

http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html



I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust
mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the
bottom.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM

























Wow, what a pain! Glad it's all back

in working order, Alex. Maybe a few of us should order

those control cards as a group if they have to
manufacture

them???. That could take months!I guess I'll go

ahead and order a spare voltage regulator. Any other

spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN? I have filters,

impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift
pump,

relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on

Kristy in the past.

I took the liberty to

change the subject.

Thanks for the update

and info, Alex!

KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire



Sent from my

iPhone

On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22

AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:















































Generator back working !!!







May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset
and

he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896



May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card


(cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.






Checking on progress, there actually was no card left,
so

Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun
9.





Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a

manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine…


(why didn’t they see it earlier…)



The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and
it

worked.







Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY
Eleuthera,

SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am

ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator. Part number

0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.”
he

was right.







I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was

cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless:
there

was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the

engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention
wasn’t

able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com>

wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure
(Field

Breaker) won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM







Hello Mark,







I start it and it shuts down right away.



There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220
Volt



devices Off before I start the genset).



As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp



breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause

is



“before” the courant leaves the genset.







The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check



generator)” which means something wrong with the



generator.



You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check



generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch



off.



I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or



something inside the generator is faulty which causes

the



breaker to pop up.







I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my



genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from
Puerto



Rico and will recommend me someone.



I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open

it



and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that



makes sense to me…







I will keep the forum posted!







Sincerely, Alexandre















--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure

(Field



Breaker) won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM



















































Hi Alexandre,



I need to better



understand,



Does the generator start, run for a



little and then shut down? If so, how long does it



run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check



Generator)” that is popping to cause the



shutdown?Is this happening with no



load? With best regards, Mark



SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream



Puff www.creampuff.us



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]







Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start Good afternoon Mark,



I also think the big wave and the generator



failure are not connected (unless a module or
something



inside it got loose/disconnected).



But I



think if it was something “engine” related like
the



electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker
(Check



Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the



“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me

think



about an issue on the “generator” side.



But I will be investigating.



Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel



Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker)
won’t



start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM



















































Alexandre,



A couple of



thoughts: the fact the



generator runs, or



briefly runs would indicate nothing



mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would



operate on the



assumption the big wave and



the generator failure were not



connected. Is



it possible that you have a clogged fuel line



and is the electric fuel pump working



correctly? Is the



exhaust clear of any



blockage? Is the airflow into the



engine



obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the



injector to check for fuel flow. You should



see fuel



leaking out when the engine is



cranked. Also, could it be a



faulty sensor



(heat or oil)? But I think either of these



would shut the generator off but they would pop



the fault



thingamajig.







With best



regards, Mark Super



Maramu



2000Hull



#275www.creampuff.usCurrently



cruising: Cambridge Cay –



Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]







Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start Good morning Bill,







During the trip I tried to



start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was



pretty tired



I just tried again same



result… shuts down right away…







I am afraid, like you wrote that it is



internal and will be looking for an Onan



authorized dealer



(well good I am in Puerto



Rico and not in Dominican Republic



anymore!)







As always thanks very much for



your help.



I will keep the



forum updates on



what failed, possibly the



cause, etc.







Sincerely,



Alexandre



SM2K #289



NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San



Juan, Puerto



Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy



Rouse'



yahoogroups@svbebe.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel



Yacht



Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM



















































OK. I understand the model you



have. I think it is better than mine because



it



is



simpler.



Try this: Turn



OFF the 30 Amp



230VAC breaker on



the side.



Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If



it



does, the short is external of the



generator



and your guess



is



as good as mine, but I



would start with the



shore



power/generator



solenoid box.



If you have the



same results



as before, the



short is internal...if so,



find



an authorized Onan



dealer/mechanic.



Bill Rouse







BeBe Amel 53 #387







Sent from my tablet







+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail



On May 9, 2016 4:15



PM,



"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







































































































Good



afternoon Bill,















Regarding the



“Field



Breaker” (check generator) I put



a



link to



the pictures of my



genset:







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html















For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures



of



my front



panel







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg















I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top



of



my Emergency



Stop and the



30 Amp 230 VAC



switch on the left side as



well.



















As of now, when I start the



generator, the



“Field



Breaker” (check generator) will



pop and shut down right



away



the genset.







I also suspect



an electrical



short somewhere… just not



sure where to



start…















Thanks in advance, sincerely,



Alexandre















--------------------------------------------







On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill



& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht



Owners] Generator failure (Field



Breaker)



won’t start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,



2:54 PM







































































































Alex,







I am not sure what you mean



by



"field







breaker."



Could you



explain that further. My Onan



has







an



Emergency



Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a







230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This



30



Amp breaker is on the



left







side of



the generator, the



other two are on the



main







generator control



panel. Mine will not start



with either



the







Emergency



or the DC set to OFF. It will start



with



those



two







ON and the 30 Amp OFF.







Also, am I correct that you generator will







start and run, but shuts



down



when something...possibly



what







you refer



to as field breaker,



is turned ON? That



sounds



to







me a an electrical short.







I know we have different



models, but they







aren't



that different.







Let me



know.











Bill Rouse















BeBe Amel 53 #387















Sent from



my



tablet















+1832-380-4970 USA Voice



Mail







On May



9,



2016 3:08 PM,







"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com







[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:































































































































































































































Good afternoon,































The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)



to



San Juan







(Puerto Rico) was



rough (as the



waive were in the nose,



so







lots of pounding.































As usual I started the



genset



to recharge the batteries,



2







or 3 minutes



later was a big



waive/pounding and it



stopped.



























The “Field



breaker” pop.































I switch off



all the 220 volt



device, press the “Field







breaker” back, started then



shut down instantly, I



tried







starting with the DC



breaker



off, etc. same it shuts



down







instantly.















I don’t



even know where to start to find the



problem.



































I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs















http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html















Unless I am mistaking there is no code to



see



(unlike



the







more recent genset).































Prior that I only used the



genset lasts week



for 18



minutes







all



was ok. Before that was a month before for



1.4 hour



to







exercise all the systems and all was ok.































Thanks in advance for your



help…































Sincerely,



Alexandre















SM2K #289 NIKIMAT















Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Gary,

I sent you an email, let me know you receive it, sometime they go to spam folder.

I know about my web site, I actually design, update web site for work, so as people say for shoe maker mine is terrible.
I do plan with time to link everything together...
I want the site to help new owner to see the boat in detail, how to repair, etc.

Since it was pretty straight forward I unfortunately did not take any pictures of the control board replacement.
just remove the top 4 bolt of the cover
remove the bolt holding the relay
remove on each side (forward and aft) of the control box 2 bolt on each side (holding little bracket inside which hold the control board).
disconnect the 2 harnesses from the control board, remove it as you can (not easy because tight space).
Note: the onan technicien that came to remove it, was very cautious about switching all the breakers off.

On facebook, I posted a picture (more detail on the whole story), I sent you a message through there as well.
http://nikimat.com/onan_control.jpg
http://nikimat.com/onan_board.jpg
The red arrow is pointed to a harness use for other gages.

I will be in San Juan until July 8, then sailing south.
Hope we meet one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre



Hi Mike:
email
you address to garysilver at mac dot com
Unfortunately we left the boat on 4
June and are back in Utah.  Would have loved to meet you.
 Great photo essays you do.  I visited your web site but
couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru
the forum here could I access those.  Any chance I am
missing something and that I could access all those from one
place.
Would also love
to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced.  Mine is
weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is
driving me nuts).  It is 15 years old now so all those
years and heat have taken their toll.  I may want to obtain
a spare. 
Sincerely, 
Gary S. Silvers/v
LiahonaAmel SM 2000 #335Puerto Del Rey
Marina  - Puerto Rico 









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Trip to Santa Marta from NY

eric freedman
 

My son put this together for me.

.

 

https://vimeo.com/169608486

PASSWORD: gsm 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:51 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

 

 

Hi Eric,

No, don't believe I did.

Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Did you get the video of our sail to Colombia?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent, I think I can build a new boat !!!

Looks like we have the same genset or I am mistaking?
I have the MDKAL (B Specs) as well
http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html

Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 9:29 AM


 









Wow!  I knew you had a lot of spares,
Alex...didn't realize you could build a whole new
genset!
Thanks.
My ONAN is a 6.5 kW
MDKAL/11604A
I'll have to see
how many parts are interchangeable.
KentSM243Kristy
On Jun 7,
2016, at 10:09 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us
had to change it.



Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?) like
on BeBe?



Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the
Genset:

http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html



I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust
mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the
bottom.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM





 



















Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back

in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should order

those control cards as a group if they have to
manufacture

them???.  That could take months!I guess I'll go

ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other

spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have filters,

impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift
pump,

relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on

Kristy in the past.

I took the liberty to

change the subject.

Thanks for the update

and info, Alex!

KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire



Sent from my

iPhone

On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22

AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Generator back working !!!







May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset
and

he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896



May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card


(cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.






Checking on progress, there actually was no card left,
so

Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun
9.





Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a

manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine…


(why didn’t they see it earlier…)



The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and
it

worked.







Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY
Eleuthera,

SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am

ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number

0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.”
he

was right.







I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was

cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless:
there

was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the

engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention
wasn’t

able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com>

wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure
(Field

Breaker) won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM







Hello Mark,







I start it and it shuts down right away. 



There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220
Volt



devices Off before I start the genset). 



As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp



breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause

is



“before” the courant leaves the genset. 







The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check



generator)” which means something wrong with the



generator. 



You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check



generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch



off. 



I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or



something inside the generator is faulty which causes

the



breaker to pop up. 







I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my



genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from
Puerto



Rico and will recommend me someone. 



I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open

it



and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that



makes sense to me… 







I will keep the forum posted!







Sincerely, Alexandre















--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure

(Field



Breaker) won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM











 















   











     



       



       



       Hi Alexandre,



I need to better



understand,



 Does the generator start, run for a



little and then shut down? If so, how long does it



run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check



Generator)” that is popping to cause the



shutdown?Is this happening with no



load?  With best regards,  Mark



 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream



Puff  www.creampuff.us



 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]







Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start    Good afternoon Mark,



I also think the big wave and the generator



failure are not connected (unless a module or
something



inside it got loose/disconnected).



But I



think if it was something “engine” related like
the



electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker
(Check



Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the



“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me

think



about an issue on the “generator” side.



But I will be investigating.



Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel



Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker)
won’t



start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM











 







































Alexandre,



 A couple of



thoughts: the fact the



generator runs, or



briefly runs would indicate nothing



mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would



operate on the



assumption the big wave and



the generator failure were not



connected. Is



it possible that you have a clogged fuel line



and is the electric fuel pump working



correctly? Is the



exhaust clear of any



blockage? Is the airflow into the



engine



obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the



 injector to check for fuel flow. You should



see fuel



leaking out when the engine is



cranked. Also, could it be a



faulty sensor



(heat or oil)? But I think either of these



would shut the generator off but they would pop



the fault



thingamajig.



 



   With best



regards,  Mark  Super



Maramu



2000Hull



#275www.creampuff.usCurrently



cruising:  Cambridge Cay –



Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas



 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]







Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start    Good morning Bill,







During the trip I tried to



start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was



pretty tired



I just tried again same



result… shuts down right away…







I am afraid, like you wrote that it is



internal and will be looking for an Onan



authorized dealer



(well good I am in Puerto



Rico and not in Dominican Republic



anymore!)







As always thanks very much for



your help.



I will keep the



forum updates on



what failed, possibly the



cause, etc.







Sincerely,



Alexandre



SM2K #289



NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San



Juan, Puerto



Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy



Rouse'



yahoogroups@svbebe.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel



Yacht



Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t



start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM











 







































OK. I understand the model you



have. I think it is better than mine because



it



is



simpler.



Try this: Turn



OFF the 30 Amp



230VAC breaker on



the side.



Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If



it



does, the short is external of the



generator



and your guess



is



as good as mine, but I



would start with the



shore



power/generator



solenoid box.



If you have the



same results



as before, the



short is internal...if so,



find



an authorized Onan



dealer/mechanic.



Bill Rouse







BeBe Amel 53 #387







Sent from my tablet







+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail



On May 9, 2016 4:15



PM,



"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:































































 







































Good



afternoon Bill,















Regarding the



“Field



Breaker” (check generator) I put



a



link to



the pictures of my



genset:







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html















For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures



of



my front



panel







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg















I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top



of



my Emergency



Stop and the



30 Amp 230 VAC



switch on the left side as



well.



















As of now, when I start the



generator, the



“Field



Breaker” (check generator) will



pop and shut down right



away



the genset.







I also suspect



an electrical



short somewhere… just not



sure where to



start…















Thanks in advance, sincerely,



Alexandre















--------------------------------------------







On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill



& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht



Owners] Generator failure (Field



Breaker)



won’t start







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,



2:54 PM























 















































































Alex,







I am not sure what you mean



by



"field







breaker."



Could you



explain that further. My Onan



has







an



Emergency



Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a







230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This



30



Amp breaker is on the



left







side of



the generator, the



other two are on the



main







generator control



panel. Mine will not start



with either



the







Emergency



or the DC set to OFF. It will start



with



those



two







ON and the 30 Amp OFF.







Also, am I correct that you generator will







start and run, but shuts



down



when something...possibly



what







you refer



to as field breaker,



is turned ON? That



sounds



to







me a an electrical short.







I know we have different



models, but they







aren't



that different.







Let me



know.











Bill Rouse















BeBe Amel 53 #387















Sent from



my



tablet















+1832-380-4970 USA Voice



Mail







On May



9,



2016 3:08 PM,







"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com







[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>







wrote:































































































































 































































































Good afternoon,































The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)



to



San Juan







(Puerto Rico) was



rough (as the



waive were in the nose,



so







lots of pounding.































As usual I started the



genset



to recharge the batteries,



2







or 3 minutes



later was a big



waive/pounding and it



stopped.



























The “Field



breaker” pop.































I switch off



all the 220 volt



device, press the “Field







breaker” back, started then



shut down instantly, I



tried







starting with the DC



breaker



off, etc. same it shuts



down







instantly.















I don’t



even know where to start to find the



problem.



































I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs















http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html















Unless I am mistaking there is no code to



see



(unlike



the







more recent genset).































Prior that I only used the



genset lasts week



for 18



minutes







all



was ok. Before that was a month before for



1.4 hour



to







exercise all the systems and all was ok.































Thanks in advance for your



help…































Sincerely,



Alexandre















SM2K #289 NIKIMAT















Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




























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Re: bow thruster service. Problem

rossienio@...
 

Thanks Craig. I'll try with a chain wrench, and baths of WD40. Beat with a hammer kis wrong?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

My bad!  Yes I was referring to Alexandre.  Sorry Mike.

Alexandre, did you copy that?

send me your email address to  garysilver at mac dot com

Gary


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

You are correct.  There is no substitute to removing that shaft.  The pusher is the best option.  You can fabricate one using the photos as a guide.  I tried to find one I could purchase but couldn't find one beefy enough online.  The one pictured is home make and looks similar in size and shape to the one the boat yard used on mine.  Make sure the upper portions "bear" on the hollow shaft so you are pushing the solid inner-shaft with counter pressure against the hollow shaft onto which the bronze gear mounts.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Gary,

In this request were you referring to Alexandre on NIKIMAT re the web site and Onan issues? Or perhaps another Mike? I don’t have a website for boat issues.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Hi Mike:



email you address to garysilver at mac dot com



Unfortunately we left the boat on 4 June and are back in Utah. Would have loved to meet you. Great photo essays you do. I visited your web site but couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru the forum here could I access those. Any chance I am missing something and that I could access all those from one place.



Would also love to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced. Mine is weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is driving me nuts). It is 15 years old now so all those years and heat have taken their toll. I may want to obtain a spare.



Sincerely,



Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000 #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico





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Re: bow thruster service. Problem

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Rossenio:

This link is to a photo of the tool that Amel makes to aid in separating the rusted spline from the motor. 


It would be nice if it was posted in the Amel SM Bow Thruster Service photo file rather than under the boat name of the poster (hint , hint , see my recent post on this issue)

I am sure you can fabricate a similar device or purchase it from Amel. 

Basically it clamps onto the bow thruster drive shaft housing tube then uses jack-screw bolts bearing on the bottom of the motor to separate the splined drive shaft from its seat in the motor. 

Sincerely ,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina  - Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Gary,



Thanks for the info. It seems the bronze gear is held in place from the “top” after with the circlip and therefore must be removed from the top. As my core assembly with the gear is still stuck on the shaft and in the boom, I cannot remove the gear from the top. Will have to get the shaft out with the gear in place.



Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Mike:



I posted some new photos in the Photos File Folder labeled something like "Amel SM Outhaul Service" in which I show the assembly order of the gearbox parts (which corresponds to the file uploaded by Eric to the Files section on the parts for this unit). In that photo are depicted the tools I used to disassemble the gears from the hollow shaft. They are press fit and I used the gear splitting tool (not sure if that is the correct name) to cradled the gear, then I used the standard puller to attach to that and they came off in the usual fashion without much difficulty. Driving the new gears into place I used a deep socket of the appropriate size to place all pressure on the center portion of the bearing (that part that is press fit to the shaft) so as not to deform the bearing. The bronze gear is secured in place with the circlip and indexed with a woodruff key. The lip seals are light press fit into the top and bottom lids.



I also re-labeled one of the photos in which I had mis-identified one of the bearings as a "seal" and will try to delete the erroneous photo and post the corrected one.



Note the comments on some of the photos that have additional information.



All the best,

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel Sm 2000 #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina Puerto Rico





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