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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

James Alton
 

Jose,

   I am curious to know if you have observed exactly where the water is coming in?  I am wondering if maybe there could be a hole, crack or something else that is causing the leakage?

James

On Jun 8, 2016, at 5:38 PM, jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Ann Sofie,

Yes not only I pass the pin, but I have added an extra seal to increase the sealing force without results.  Of course no pin results in a lot of water running into the boat very quickly.
Thanks for your thought
Jose
Ipanema SM 278
Boston



Re: Bow thruster

Jose Venegas
 

Eric 

you can't enter your e-mail with the "at" sign because Yahoo will take it out.  My e-mail is josegvenegas(at).icloud.com
Send me a note and we will get connected via mobil phone

Jose


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Jean Pierre, I saw it on the pictures you put on FB, this is on my list of things to get, but I can’t find one…
Where did you get it?

Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/8/16, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 3:24 PM


 









Hi Gang,
Some time ago, we made the
following mods to the MDKAL B.  We added a one way spring
ball valve to the water intake side.  On the outlet to the
heat exchanger, we placed a diverter filter to capture
wayward blades… and sundry junk
So far so good.  After nearly
100 hours of genset ops, the impeller has yet to shed a
blade.  I will follow the suggestion from my mate with a
Grand Banks… count the blades… when the “capture
filter" catches 50% of the total number of blades on
the impeller, change the impeller.
GL
Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007.

On 8 Jun 2016, at 22:14,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 



I
run very little time my Onan.

On average I would say 8 hours/month.

So about 80 hours in 10 months.



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/8/16, divanz620@yahoo.fr
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry
Impellers

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 3:11 PM





 



















Hi Alexandre,I replaced the ONAN pump with

a new Sherwood one piece cast (beautifully machined)
pump,

and I still have the  same problem.....it seems this is
a

well known issue with ONAN, there was a big discussion

thread on Cruisers Forum about it.How many actual

hours ONAN running time did you have in the 8 / 10 month

periods ?CheersAlanElyse

SM437





















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Jean-Pierre
Germain,SY
Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007Porto
Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,97100
Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@xs4all.nl
jp.germain45@gmail.com












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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

No, no, I had the same problem.
After 8 months the impeller would loose all its blade (only putting 80 hours).

I had the water pump rebuilt and the person said: 'look how dirty it is'... so we cleaned it then the problem was solved.

Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/8/16, divanz620@yahoo.fr [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 3:34 PM


 









OK....that's why the impeller still looks
OK..I think most people get between 150 to 200
hours from an
impeller.CheersAlan Elyse
SM437









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Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Miles
 

I tried one a few years back. It lasted less than one minute and it was not dry.

 

Miles

Ladybug,  sm216  Newport, RI


Re: Bow thruster

Jose Venegas
 

 Ann Sofie,
Yes not only I pass the pin, but I have added an extra seal to increase the sealing force without results.  Of course no pin results in a lot of water running into the boat very quickly.
Thanks for your thought
Jose
Ipanema SM 278
Boston


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alan Leslie
 

OK....that's why the impeller still looks OK..
I think most people get between 150 to 200 hours from an impeller.
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

Some time ago, we made the following mods to the MDKAL B.  We added a one way spring ball valve to the water intake side.  On the outlet to the heat exchanger, we placed a diverter filter to capture wayward blades… and sundry junk

So far so good.  After nearly 100 hours of genset ops, the impeller has yet to shed a blade.  I will follow the suggestion from my mate with a Grand Banks… count the blades… when the “capture filter" catches 50% of the total number of blades on the impeller, change the impeller.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.


On 8 Jun 2016, at 22:14, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I run very little time my Onan.
On average I would say 8 hours/month.
So about 80 hours in 10 months.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/8/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 3:11 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,I replaced the ONAN pump with
a new Sherwood one piece cast (beautifully machined) pump,
and I still have the  same problem.....it seems this is a
well known issue with ONAN, there was a big discussion
thread on Cruisers Forum about it.How many actual
hours ONAN running time did you have in the 8 / 10 month
periods ?CheersAlanElyse
SM437










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Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I run very little time my Onan.
On average I would say 8 hours/month.
So about 80 hours in 10 months.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/8/16, divanz620@yahoo.fr [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 3:11 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,I replaced the ONAN pump with
a new Sherwood one piece cast (beautifully machined) pump,
and I still have the  same problem.....it seems this is a
well known issue with ONAN, there was a big discussion
thread on Cruisers Forum about it.How many actual
hours ONAN running time did you have in the 8 / 10 month
periods ?CheersAlanElyse
SM437










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Alexandre,
I replaced the ONAN pump with a new Sherwood one piece cast (beautifully machined) pump, and I still have the  same problem.....it seems this is a well known issue with ONAN, there was a big discussion thread on Cruisers Forum about it.
How many actual hours ONAN running time did you have in the 8 / 10 month periods ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Alan,

I used to have the same problem. After 8 months the impeller would lost is blade.
So Dec 2014 I cleaned the water pump, see pictures on the link below.
And 10 months later, preparing for a longer trip I decided to change the impeller and it looked like new, I could have use it longer.
so, in “my” case, it was the pump being dirty that created a faster than expected ware on the impeller.
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Wed, 6/8/16, divanz620@yahoo.fr [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 2:51 PM


 









I changed the whole pump for a Sherwood one-piece
housing and I have used Globe Run Dry impellers on the Onan
with very little difference in longevity cf the standard
impeller...about 170 to 195 hours has been our run so
far...same issue, the blades come off and end up in the heat
exchanger...I have a couple of these blue fellas to use yet
and when they are done I will install the March centrifugal
pump I bought some time ago.I don't have
experience of the rubber separating itself from the
hub.CheersAlanElyse
SM$37









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Re: Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alan Leslie
 

I changed the whole pump for a Sherwood one-piece housing and I have used Globe Run Dry impellers on the Onan with very little difference in longevity cf the standard impeller...about 170 to 195 hours has been our run so far...same issue, the blades come off and end up in the heat exchanger...I have a couple of these blue fellas to use yet and when they are done I will install the March centrifugal pump I bought some time ago.
I don't have experience of the rubber separating itself from the hub.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM$37


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Correct Kent!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 8, 2016 8:01 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, that lip seal 30 X 42 X 8
(now 29 X 42 X 8) is the one on the bow thruster by the prop, not the one in the hull where the bow thruster enters the hull.  A failure of the one by the prop would cause leakage of water into the oil, not into the boat.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 8, 2016, at 6:49 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Five things:

Joel explained a drain tube that was added on SM hull number 400 and above. You have 278.

I believe you said that yours leaked without moving the boat. If so your bow is too heavy and too low in the water.

I believe the service intervals should be about every two years

You do not mention securing the bow thruster with the locking pin

Do you read the recent post whereby Amel recommends a slightly different size lip seal? It reads:
"2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8. 

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight. 
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french." 

I believe that you need to address and/or understand all of the above.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 


.


Mizzen Roller Reefing

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Hi all,


I just have had the mizzen shaft become uncoupled from the roller reefing. The shaft can be pulled out about five inches, and then it will come no further.  How is this shaft normally attached to the gear box?  I see a hex headed bolt on the inside of the shaft.  I assume that this bolt attaches the 90 degree bevel gear to the shaft, but then what connects the shaft to the gear box?


Has anyone taken this all apart before?


I will post a picture of the situation.


Derick Gates

SM2K#400 Brava


Re: bow thruster service. Problem

rossienio@...
 

Well Craig, i'll do that. Could you also give me directions on my request of 3 june (no.27337) relating to the new charger installation and earth connection? I'm sorry i could not meet u in Greece along with Attilio Siviero (Sisila) few years ago. Greetings. enio  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Globe Run Dry Impellers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the info Bill,

How long did they last before failing?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Wed, 6/8/16, yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Globe Run Dry Impellers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 9:06 AM


 









I normally stay well clear of products
that are hyped as better and different than OEM equipment
parts.

Globe Run Dry
Impellers is one of those products.
But, I tried the famous
Globe Impeller in the Onan generator. Results were that 2
out of 2 impellers failed when the flexible part separated
from the metal hub.
I added a photo to the
MDKAV folder.
Best,
BillBeBe
#387Currently
Grenada 









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Globe Run Dry Impellers

yahoogroups@...
 

I normally stay well clear of products that are hyped as better and different than OEM equipment parts.

Globe Run Dry Impellers is one of those products.


But, I tried the famous Globe Impeller in the Onan generator. Results were that 2 out of 2 impellers failed when the flexible part separated from the metal hub.


I added a photo to the MDKAV folder.


Best,


Bill

BeBe #387

Currently Grenada

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Bill. This make sense now.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

 

 

Mark,

 

This seems to have confused a lot of people commenting here.

 

The changed seal is NOT the seal on the vertical shaft that keeps water out of the boat.  It IS the seal that keeps water out of the oil out in the gearbox. It is located on the horizontal shaft that the prop itself attaches to.

 

Bill Kinney

Harmonie, SM160

Port Canaveral, Florida.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

greatketch@...
 

Mark,

This seems to have confused a lot of people commenting here.

The changed seal is NOT the seal on the vertical shaft that keeps water out of the boat.  It IS the seal that keeps water out of the oil out in the gearbox. It is located on the horizontal shaft that the prop itself attaches to.

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Port Canaveral, Florida.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

Mark Erdos
 

I am a little confused about the mentioned tool to put on the new lip seals. Isn’t this seal adhered to the inside of the vessel before pulling up the shaft of the bow thruster into the motor? How does this tool work?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for huricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster

 

 

Five things:

Joel explained a drain tube that was added on SM hull number 400 and above. You have 278.

I believe you said that yours leaked without moving the boat. If so your bow is too heavy and too low in the water.

I believe the service intervals should be about every two years

You do not mention securing the bow thruster with the locking pin

Do you read the recent post whereby Amel recommends a slightly different size lip seal? It reads:
"2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8. 

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight. 
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french." 

I believe that you need to address and/or understand all of the above.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 

Just a thought. When sailing, do you secure the bowtruster with the stainless steel pin?

 

The times we have leakage is when we forget to secure it with the pin.

 

Regards

Ann-Sofie

S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232

In Portimao, Portugal

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8 juni 2016 kl. 05:20 skrev jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Eric,

 

The leak is through the lip seal.  It is very clear every time the bow goes under water.  It is a recurrent and frustrating problem.

 

I will be around this weekend if the weather is not good.  Otherwise may be heading to Glaucester.  When are you coming up exactly? 

 

Let me know and I would love to chat about your experience in Santa Marta.  We went by Santa Marta and Cartagena 3 years ago.  No bow thruster leak but only because I had clamped the extra seal.

 

Jose 

Ipanema SM278

Boston