On Jun 16, 2016, at 08:38, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Bill (SM#160),

At the time when it happened to me, I didn’t mention it on the forum as I couldn’t understand it (and kind of felt stupid to be honest), then others mention the same thing so I share my experience.

Yes, absolutely positive, it is coming from the “return” line, there was probably 4 liters of diesel overnight in the bilge (which I had to empty using cups, etc.) difficult to estimate because it was mix with the water in my bilge.

Personally I don’t feel worth the time to install a valve on the return line, it is much quicker to simply disconnect the hose that goes to it. In the 3.5 years of ownership, only needed to disconnect the return line once.

Wish I could help more…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Thu, 6/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016, 7:13 AM












Alexandre
I am trying to understand what is
going on here… If it really is possible to syphon fuel
out of a half full tank via the return line, then putting a
shut off valve on it would become become a very high
priority safety project for me.
But if the tank is built the
way Amel drew it, then it is not possible for this to happen
without “magic”, and we are seeing something else
happening.
You describe a “drop by drop”
leak of fuel. How much total fuel leaked this way would
you guess? 10 liters? 5? Less than 1?
Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort Canaveral, Florida
On Jun 16, 2016, at 06:44,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Good morning Bill (SM
#160),

April 28, 2015 in reply to Mike
Ondra’s post, I reply:

my injectors (engine) were
removed to be check/rebuilt
Somehow fuel was still coming
drop by drop in the bilge compartment.
It did not make any
sense to me as the valve was off.
I realize the fuel
was coming from the “return” valve (which still
doesn’t make any sense… may be some type of suction or
syphon?)
So I
disconnected the return rubber fuel line to the tank, the
leak stop.

My tank was may be 1/2 full.

It happened to other people as
well.

One of these things hard to
understand but that you have to keep in mind.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Wed, 6/15/16,
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after
fuel filter and oil change
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday,
June 15, 2016, 9:21 PM












I am puzzled…
How can the fuel
“syphon”
back
from the tank through the return line? Amel’s
drawing of the tank
does not show a dip tube (and there
certainly shouldn’t be one!) on
the return fitting on the
top of the tank.
It seems that if the
only way
this
could happen is if the tank is filled so full the level
is up into the fill
line with NO air in the tank at
all.
Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort
Canaveral, Florida






On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41,
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
wrote:
Dominique:
I just replaced my
electric
priming
pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset. I did not have
access at the time
to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did
this. I ended up distorting the
"B-nut" on the
small copper fuel line that goes
from the fuel pump to the
fuel filter adapter and could NOT
get a proper seal upon
replacing this line (a continuous
small seep of fuel that
was really annoying and messy).
I had to order a
replacement line (not that
expensive) and buy a proper set
of flare nut wrenches to
adequately get a seal. I wish I
could remember the size of the
flare nut but it was SAE (not
metric) sized. Make sure the
fuel tank is low on fuel
(think 250 liter will work)
otherwise a continuous stream of
fuel will flow by syphon from the
fuel tank fuel return line
while you make this plumbing
change. I managed to turn
this otherwise simple replacement
into a major project based
on A) not using the proper tools
to loosen and re-install
the B-nut of the fuel line, B)
not have lowered the fuel in
the tank (mine was full at the
time of my work).

Good luck. The pump was
about
$65 as I
recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things)
and the fuel line
was about $8
Sincerely,
Gary S. Silvers/v LiahonaAmel SM
#335 Puerto
Rico











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<p>Hello Bill (SM#160), <br>
<br>
At the time when it happened to me, I didn’t mention it on the forum as I couldn’t understand it (and kind of felt stupid to be honest), then others mention the same thing so I share my experience. <br>
<br>
Yes, absolutely positive, it is coming from the “return” line, there was probably 4 liters of diesel overnight in the bilge (which I had to empty using cups, etc.) difficult to estimate because it was mix with the water in my bilge. <br>
<br>
Personally I don’t feel worth the time to install a valve on the return line, it is much quicker to simply disconnect the hose that goes to it. In the 3.5 years of ownership, only needed to disconnect the return line once. <br>
<br>
Wish I could help more… <br>
<br>
Sincerely, Alexandre<br>
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT<br>
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico<br>
<br>
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On Thu, 6/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:<br>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change<br>
To: amelyachtowners@...<br>
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016, 7:13 AM<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
Alexandre<br>
I am trying to understand what is<br>
going on here… If it really is possible to syphon fuel<br>
out of a half full tank via the return line, then putting a<br>
shut off valve on it would become become a very high<br>
priority safety project for me.<br>
But if the tank is built the<br>
way Amel drew it, then it is not possible for this to happen<br>
without “magic”, and we are seeing something else<br>
happening.<br>
You describe a “drop by drop”<br>
leak of fuel. How much total fuel leaked this way would<br>
you guess? 10 liters? 5? Less than 1?<br>
Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort Canaveral, Florida<br>
On Jun 16, 2016, at 06:44,<br>
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...<br>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...><br>
wrote:<br>
Good morning Bill (SM<br>
#160), <br>
<br>
April 28, 2015 in reply to Mike<br>
Ondra’s post, I reply: <br>
<br>
my injectors (engine) were<br>
removed to be check/rebuilt<br>
Somehow fuel was still coming<br>
drop by drop in the bilge compartment. <br>
It did not make any<br>
sense to me as the valve was off. <br>
I realize the fuel<br>
was coming from the “return” valve (which still<br>
doesn’t make any sense… may be some type of suction or<br>
syphon?)<br>
So I<br>
disconnected the return rubber fuel line to the tank, the<br>
leak stop. <br>
<br>
My tank was may be 1/2 full. <br>
<br>
It happened to other people as<br>
well. <br>
<br>
One of these things hard to<br>
understand but that you have to keep in mind. <br>
<br>
Sincerely, Alexandre<br>
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT<br>
Club Nautico de San<br>
Juan, Puerto Rico<br>
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On Wed, 6/15/16,<br>
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]<br>
<amelyachtowners@...><br>
wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: Re:<br>
[Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after<br>
fuel filter and oil change<br>
To: amelyachtowners@...<br>
Date: Wednesday,<br>
June 15, 2016, 9:21 PM<br>
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I am puzzled… <br>
How can the fuel<br>
“syphon”<br>
back<br>
from the tank through the return line? Amel’s<br>
drawing of the tank<br>
does not show a dip tube (and there<br>
certainly shouldn’t be one!) on<br>
the return fitting on the<br>
top of the tank. <br>
It seems that if the<br>
only way<br>
this<br>
could happen is if the tank is filled so full the level<br>
is up into the fill<br>
line with NO air in the tank at<br>
all.<br>
Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort<br>
Canaveral, Florida<br>
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On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41,<br>
amelliahona <no_reply@...><br>
wrote:<br>
Dominique:<br>
I just replaced my<br>
electric<br>
priming<br>
pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset. I did not have<br>
access at the time<br>
to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did<br>
this. I ended up distorting the<br>
"B-nut" on the<br>
small copper fuel line that goes<br>
from the fuel pump to the<br>
fuel filter adapter and could NOT<br>
get a proper seal upon<br>
replacing this line (a continuous<br>
small seep of fuel that<br>
was really annoying and messy).<br>
I had to order a<br>
replacement line (not that<br>
expensive) and buy a proper set<br>
of flare nut wrenches to<br>
adequately get a seal. I wish I<br>
could remember the size of the<br>
flare nut but it was SAE (not<br>
metric) sized. Make sure the<br>
fuel tank is low on fuel<br>
(think 250 liter will work)<br>
otherwise a continuous stream of<br>
fuel will flow by syphon from the<br>
fuel tank fuel return line<br>
while you make this plumbing<br>
change. I managed to turn<br>
this otherwise simple replacement<br>
into a major project based<br>
on A) not using the proper tools<br>
to loosen and re-install<br>
the B-nut of the fuel line, B)<br>
not have lowered the fuel in<br>
the tank (mine was full at the<br>
time of my work).<br>
<br>
Good luck. The pump was<br>
about<br>
$65 as I<br>
recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things)<br>
and the fuel line<br>
was about $8<br>
Sincerely, <br>
Gary S. Silvers/v LiahonaAmel SM<br>
#335 Puerto<br>
Rico <br>
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On Jun 16, 2016, at 06:44, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Bill (SM #160), 

April 28, 2015 in reply to Mike Ondra’s post, I reply: 

my injectors (engine) were removed to be check/rebuilt
Somehow fuel was still coming drop by drop in the bilge compartment. 
It did not make any sense to me as the valve was off.  
I realize the fuel was coming from the “return” valve (which still doesn’t make any sense… may be some type of suction or syphon?)
So I disconnected the return rubber fuel line to the tank, the leak stop.  

My tank was may be 1/2 full.  

It happened to other people as well.  

One of these things hard to understand but that you have to keep in mind.  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Wed, 6/15/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 9:21 PM


 









I am puzzled…  
How can the fuel “syphon”
back from the tank through the return line?  Amel’s
drawing of the tank does not show a dip tube (and there
certainly shouldn’t be one!) on the return fitting on the
top of the tank.  
It seems that if the only way
this could happen is if the tank is filled so full the level
is up into the fill line with NO air in the tank at
all.
Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort Canaveral, Florida



  


On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41,
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
wrote:
Dominique:
I just replaced my electric
priming pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset.  I did not have
access at the time to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did
this.  I ended up distorting the "B-nut" on the
small copper fuel line that goes from the fuel pump to the
fuel filter adapter and could NOT get a proper seal upon
replacing this line (a continuous small seep of fuel that
was really annoying and messy).   I had to order a
replacement line (not that expensive) and buy a proper set
of flare nut wrenches to adequately get a seal.   I wish I
could remember the size of the flare nut but it was SAE (not
metric) sized.    Make sure the fuel tank is low on fuel
(think 250 liter will work) otherwise a continuous stream of
fuel will flow by syphon from the fuel tank fuel return line
while you make this plumbing change.  I managed to turn
this otherwise simple replacement into a major project based
on A) not using the proper tools to loosen and re-install
the B-nut of the fuel line, B) not have lowered the fuel in
the tank (mine was full at the time of my work).
 
Good luck.  The pump was about
$65 as I recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things)
and the fuel line was about $8
Sincerely, 
Gary S. Silvers/v LiahonaAmel SM #335    Puerto
Rico 











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Hello every one;

We are looking to winter somewhere in Greece for the 2016 season, probably from November 2016 to May 2017. We will be cruising the southern Aegean and possibly Crete. We have to haul out so we would need somewhere with reliable lifting capability. Availability of local services and supplies would be a plus. We will not be on board so would prefer to have a local person/company that can look after the boat and periodically turn on the engine, generator and other systems. Therefore we would prefer to be in the water.

I would appreciate recommendations for marinas you have used or have personal knowledge to be safe and reliable to winter in. Also I would like to hear pinions on pros and cons of leaving the boat in the water or on the hard. 

Thank you 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo 

Amel 54 #099

 

Hi Ben,

We have a Mastervolt 100 amp charger on Aloha, but have a different setup than you. We are hull #72, have a shorter cable run, and I went with 1/0 battery cable, which was a bit of an overkill. I think Bill's advice was excellent, and unless you are willing to up your cable size, you should probably stick to a smaller charger. Mastervolt also makes an 80 amp charger, and maybe the numbers would look a bit better with that. 

We are headed from Trinidad to Grenada tomorrow night, and will be at Port Louis Marina next to Rick and Linda on Rascal. Hope we can get together in Grenada. 

Regards,

Steve and Liz

Aloha SM72

Trinidad for not much longer...

On Jun 14, 2016, at 18:53, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It seems 100 amps will challenge my existing 25mm sq wiring.  Looks like I will keep it at 60 amp max 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

CG #1120066

SM #347

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I bought a new charger I went with a 60A.  The cables from the charger go through the forward starboard corner of the engine room, then under the raised "step" between the Nav station and passageway to the battery compartment.  In that area under the "step", they are encased in a very hard material and would be very hard to replace.  You would have to look at the specs required for your new charger to see if the existing ones are adequate for the amperage and distance.

Kent

SM243

Kristy

On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:46 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I recently replaced my failed Dolhin 30 Amp charger with a Mastervolt 60 Amp charger.  I did not upgrade either th AC or DC wiring.  All seems to work well.  Now I'm considering replacing the 50 Amp charger with a Mastervolt 80 or 100 Amp unit.  I think AC input wire size is OK.   Amel used the same size wire for both 30 and 50 Amp units.  My concern is DC wire size.    Not sure but it appears to be 25mm sq. (3 AWG).  Again Amel used same size for both 30 and 50 Amp chargers.  My question is will this size wire support larger charger?  Or will I need upgrade to 35 or 50mm sq.?  Has anyone done this upgrade without wiring upgrade?

Ben Driver

La Blla Vita

SM 347

Prickly Bay Grenada

On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Dominique:

I just replaced my electric priming pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset.  I did not have access at the time to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did this.  I ended up distorting the "B-nut" on the small copper fuel line that goes from the fuel pump to the fuel filter adapter and could NOT get a proper seal upon replacing this line (a continuous small seep of fuel that was really annoying and messy).   I had to order a replacement line (not that expensive) and buy a proper set of flare nut wrenches to adequately get a seal.   I wish I could remember the size of the flare nut but it was SAE (not metric) sized.    Make sure the fuel tank is low on fuel (think 250 liter will work) otherwise a continuous stream of fuel will flow by syphon from the fuel tank fuel return line while you make this plumbing change.  I managed to turn this otherwise simple replacement into a major project based on A) not using the proper tools to loosen and re-install the B-nut of the fuel line, B) not have lowered the fuel in the tank (mine was full at the time of my work).  

Good luck.  The pump was about $65 as I recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things) and the fuel line was about $8

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM #335    Puerto Rico 

On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:00, tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL