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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Calby,

I’ve not seen earlier posts from you.  SOOOO welcome here.  It is an amazing resource!

Just a friendly reminder, no one knows who you are etc.. also this is a closed forum and registry is mandatory before posting is enabled.

Typically, everyone signs their posts with….

Their name, boat name and hull type and number.  This helps the other members determine if they can help.

Fair winds,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 16 Jun 2016, at 07:47, 'calbyy@...' calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Just bought a Maramu nr 116 46' built 1982 ... boat had been afloat sin april 2014, moored idle since jan-2015. Fairly good condition on top, hull under covered in marine growth. Came our of water april 20, cleaned sanded showed numerous bubbles (1" dia average) which started bleeding. Measured humidity at 18% below water line 22% deeper down on hull, well above acceptable values. Surveyor confirmed heavy osmosis.
Kept boat on shore to dry until now june 2016, boat dried up (current values 15% humidity.
Results
1) amel boat are well built, humidity keeps on surface, does not creep under outside layers.
2) best way to reduce humidity is to keep boat in dry storage when not used for extended period.
3) osmosis on our boat was due to poor maintenance cheap (material work) antifouligs.
4) osmosis will not sink our boats.
Fair winds

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From: tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>;
To: <amelyachtowners@...>;
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida
Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:00:23 PM

 

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL




Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change

Paul Osterberg
 

We have also experience the siphoned effect, next time the level is down we will install a close off valve on the return line 
It got rather messy last time we. Had to prime The Onan 
Paul on SYKerpa SM 259 


Re : [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

calbyy@yahoo.fr <calbyy@...>
 

Just bought a Maramu nr 116 46' built 1982 ... boat had been afloat sin april 2014, moored idle since jan-2015. Fairly good condition on top, hull under covered in marine growth. Came our of water april 20, cleaned & sanded showed numerous bubbles (1" dia average) which started bleeding. Measured humidity at 18% below water line & 22% deeper down on hull, well above acceptable values. Surveyor confirmed heavy osmosis.
Kept boat on shore to dry until now june 2016, & boat dried up (current values < 15% humidity.
Results
1) amel boat are well built, & humidity keeps on surface, does not creep under outside layers.
2) best way to reduce humidity is to keep boat in dry storage when not used for extended period.
3) osmosis on our boat was due to poor maintenance & cheap (material & work) antifouligs.
4) osmosis will not sink our boats.
Fair winds

Envoyé depuis Yahoo Mail pour Android



From: tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners] ;
To: ;
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida
Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 2:00:23 PM

 

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] DC cable sizing for larger charger

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Steve.  I agree.  Sixty Amps is max with my current DC cabling which would be a lot of work to upgrade.  We too are checking Marinas out in St George as Gayle and I may be going back to California for several months work.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

We have a Mastervolt 100 amp charger on Aloha, but have a different setup than you. We are hull #72, have a shorter cable run, and I went with 1/0 battery cable, which was a bit of an overkill. I think Bill's advice was excellent, and unless you are willing to up your cable size, you should probably stick to a smaller charger. Mastervolt also makes an 80 amp charger, and maybe the numbers would look a bit better with that. 

We are headed from Trinidad to Grenada tomorrow night, and will be at Port Louis Marina next to Rick and Linda on Rascal. Hope we can get together in Grenada. 

Regards,
Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72
Trinidad for not much longer...

On Jun 14, 2016, at 18:53, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It seems 100 amps will challenge my existing 25mm sq wiring.  Looks like I will keep it at 60 amp max 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I bought a new charger I went with a 60A.  The cables from the charger go through the forward starboard corner of the engine room, then under the raised "step" between the Nav station and passageway to the battery compartment.  In that area under the "step", they are encased in a very hard material and would be very hard to replace.  You would have to look at the specs required for your new charger to see if the existing ones are adequate for the amperage and distance.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:46 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I recently replaced my failed Dolhin 30 Amp charger with a Mastervolt 60 Amp charger.  I did not upgrade either th AC or DC wiring.  All seems to work well.  Now I'm considering replacing the 50 Amp charger with a Mastervolt 80 or 100 Amp unit.  I think AC input wire size is OK.   Amel used the same size wire for both 30 and 50 Amp units.  My concern is DC wire size.    Not sure but it appears to be 25mm sq. (3 AWG).  Again Amel used same size for both 30 and 50 Amp chargers.  My question is will this size wire support larger charger?  Or will I need upgrade to 35 or 50mm sq.?  Has anyone done this upgrade without wiring upgrade?


Ben Driver

La Blla Vita

SM 347

Prickly Bay Grenada





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I am puzzled…  

How can the fuel “syphon” back from the tank through the return line?  Amel’s drawing of the tank does not show a dip tube (and there certainly shouldn’t be one!) on the return fitting on the top of the tank.  

It seems that if the only way this could happen is if the tank is filled so full the level is up into the fill line with NO air in the tank at all.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Port Canaveral, Florida




  



On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Dominique:


I just replaced my electric priming pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset.  I did not have access at the time to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did this.  I ended up distorting the "B-nut" on the small copper fuel line that goes from the fuel pump to the fuel filter adapter and could NOT get a proper seal upon replacing this line (a continuous small seep of fuel that was really annoying and messy).   I had to order a replacement line (not that expensive) and buy a proper set of flare nut wrenches to adequately get a seal.   I wish I could remember the size of the flare nut but it was SAE (not metric) sized.    Make sure the fuel tank is low on fuel (think 250 liter will work) otherwise a continuous stream of fuel will flow by syphon from the fuel tank fuel return line while you make this plumbing change.  I managed to turn this otherwise simple replacement into a major project based on A) not using the proper tools to loosen and re-install the B-nut of the fuel line, B) not have lowered the fuel in the tank (mine was full at the time of my work).  

Good luck.  The pump was about $65 as I recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things) and the fuel line was about $8

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335    Puerto Rico 



Re: GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Dominique:

I just replaced my electric priming pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset.  I did not have access at the time to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did this.  I ended up distorting the "B-nut" on the small copper fuel line that goes from the fuel pump to the fuel filter adapter and could NOT get a proper seal upon replacing this line (a continuous small seep of fuel that was really annoying and messy).   I had to order a replacement line (not that expensive) and buy a proper set of flare nut wrenches to adequately get a seal.   I wish I could remember the size of the flare nut but it was SAE (not metric) sized.    Make sure the fuel tank is low on fuel (think 250 liter will work) otherwise a continuous stream of fuel will flow by syphon from the fuel tank fuel return line while you make this plumbing change.  I managed to turn this otherwise simple replacement into a major project based on A) not using the proper tools to loosen and re-install the B-nut of the fuel line, B) not have lowered the fuel in the tank (mine was full at the time of my work).  

Good luck.  The pump was about $65 as I recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things) and the fuel line was about $8

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335    Puerto Rico 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

karkauai
 

I doubt that's it Alan.  I haven't motored more than 30 minutes total since I got the batteries.
Kent


On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It could be that since you probably have the standard automotive regulator in your engine alternator it is slowly killing your batteries.

The standard auto regulator is designed to charge start batteries ...it is not good for deep cycle batteries.
Motoring for long periods will keep the voltage at 28V or more and this will kill deep cycle batteries eventually.
Deep cycle batteries require a 3-stage charge profile, Bulk, Absorption and Float. A proper charger will output max current until the absorption voltage is reached (in our case 29.2V) and then hold that voltage until the current is down to a set minimum (or a fixed time) and then switch to float (in our case 27.2).
All the chargers on our boat - 175A alternator, 600W solar panels with MPPT, 100A Victron, 30A ProMariner are 3-stage regulated and set to the same settings.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Alan Leslie
 

It could be that since you probably have the standard automotive regulator in your engine alternator it is slowly killing your batteries.
The standard auto regulator is designed to charge start batteries ...it is not good for deep cycle batteries.
Motoring for long periods will keep the voltage at 28V or more and this will kill deep cycle batteries eventually.
Deep cycle batteries require a 3-stage charge profile, Bulk, Absorption and Float. A proper charger will output max current until the absorption voltage is reached (in our case 29.2V) and then hold that voltage until the current is down to a set minimum (or a fixed time) and then switch to float (in our case 27.2).
All the chargers on our boat - 175A alternator, 600W solar panels with MPPT, 100A Victron, 30A ProMariner are 3-stage regulated and set to the same settings.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Mike,

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Wed, 6/15/16, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 12:00 PM


 









Bill and
all,  Motion Industries
has probably hundreds of locations across the US. My local
MI is about 2 miles from my office, so super easy access at
my source for seals, bearings, and anything to do with
moving parts.What they wanted to
source the gearbox is the info off the nameplate which I
provided as this:  LEROY SOMER
MOTEURS     MADE IN FRANCE4R4599/002/2014     
MVA-60-NJ-M-H-M-_mn-1  (the mn could be min, it’s hard to
read)MATERIEL LUBRHEAVIE
(that last word was also very hard to read)  (I think the MVA
portion tells it all with MVA being the gear box model and
60 being the gear reduction. What the rest of the letters
represent I did not research.)  Their quote for the
gearbox was $462.34. I would pick it up so that price is
without tax and shipping. As I said the lead time was 14
weeks as it is a special item from France.  To answer Eric’s
question. We do have an autoprop, “water-cooled”, ie. no
grease. I do have the grease nipple and IP thread Tap to
install it. I think that is a good add to this to the
gearbox since the horizontal installation of the lip seal is
not the best for water exclusion with perhaps the best
defense being semi-annual greasing. Reminder - this does not
preclude the problem of the seizing and the need to protect
the gypsy shaft which sees none of this grease.  Since I have sourced
this if others are interested in buying a spare, I would be
happy to put together a bulk order and distribute to US
addresses when they come in. Just let me know ….mdondra at
Verizon dot net.  Mike
OndraALETES
SM#240Rock Hall,
MD    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:18
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy
Somers main outhaul gearbox    Mike Do you want to
post all of the details? Price? Part Number? Contact
information?I am sure there is more than one person
interested. Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53
#387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice MailOn Jun 15, 2016 7:46 AM,
"'Mike Ondra' mdondra@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:  Eric,

The vendor I have been using
for seals and bearings is Motion Industries, national
distributors of parts for machinery that moves. Distributors
throughout the US. While they do channel Leroy Somers parts,
our gearbox is not a stock item and they sourced it back as
a special order to France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a
side note, they offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes,
which would have been an option had I not destroyed the top
plate.

I have not run
across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We have been on the
Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10 years.

Regards,

Mike

ALETES
SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers
main outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Who was
the gearbox vendor?

My
friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat is
Spirit.

He liked Kimberlite
so much he bought a 54.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers
main outhaul gearbox

Eric.
I am near Philadelphia.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM240

Rock Hall, MD

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <mailto:kimberlite@...%20[amelyachtowners]>
" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Mike,

Where are you located.

Eric

Kimberlite sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June
14, 2016 2:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I just received a quote
from our local Leroy Somers rep for a
>
new main
> outhaul gearbox for $460.
Problem is about a 14 week lead time between
> production in France, summer vacation, and
ocean shipping. What
> has been the
> cost and time when purchasing direct from
Amel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> ALETES SM#240
>
>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Bill and all,

 

Motion Industries has probably hundreds of locations across the US. My local MI is about 2 miles from my office, so super easy access at my source for seals, bearings, and anything to do with moving parts.

What they wanted to source the gearbox is the info off the nameplate which I provided as this:

 

LEROY SOMER MOTEURS     MADE IN FRANCE

4R4599/002/2014      MVA-60-NJ-M-H-M-_mn-1  (the mn could be min, it’s hard to read)

MATERIEL LUBRHEAVIE (that last word was also very hard to read)

 

(I think the MVA portion tells it all with MVA being the gear box model and 60 being the gear reduction. What the rest of the letters represent I did not research.)

 

Their quote for the gearbox was $462.34. I would pick it up so that price is without tax and shipping. As I said the lead time was 14 weeks as it is a special item from France.

 

To answer Eric’s question. We do have an autoprop, “water-cooled”, ie. no grease. I do have the grease nipple and IP thread Tap to install it. I think that is a good add to this to the gearbox since the horizontal installation of the lip seal is not the best for water exclusion with perhaps the best defense being semi-annual greasing. Reminder - this does not preclude the problem of the seizing and the need to protect the gypsy shaft which sees none of this grease.

 

Since I have sourced this if others are interested in buying a spare, I would be happy to put together a bulk order and distribute to US addresses when they come in. Just let me know ….mdondra at Verizon dot net.

 

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

 

 

Mike

Do you want to post all of the details? Price? Part Number? Contact information?

I am sure there is more than one person interested.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
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On Jun 15, 2016 7:46 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

The vendor I have been using for seals and bearings is Motion Industries, national distributors of parts for machinery that moves. Distributors throughout the US. While they do channel Leroy Somers parts, our gearbox is not a stock item and they sourced it back as a special order to France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a side note, they offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes, which would have been an option had I not destroyed the top plate.

I have not run across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We have been on the Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10 years.

Regards,

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Who was the gearbox vendor?

My friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat is Spirit.

He liked Kimberlite so much he bought a 54.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Eric. I am near Philadelphia.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM240

Rock Hall, MD

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] kimberlite@...%20[amelyachtowners]> " <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,

Where are you located.

Eric

Kimberlite sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I just received a quote from our local Leroy Somers rep for a
> new main
> outhaul gearbox for $460. Problem is about a 14 week lead time between
> production in France, summer vacation, and ocean shipping. What
> has been the
> cost and time when purchasing direct from Amel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> ALETES SM#240
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Mike ,

His name is Jeff Krause

jmkraus@....

Neat guy—he is a commercial fisherman up here on Long Island.

Drop him a not if you wish.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

 

 

Mike

Do you want to post all of the details? Price? Part Number? Contact information?

I am sure there is more than one person interested.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 15, 2016 7:46 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

The vendor I have been using for seals and bearings is Motion Industries, national distributors of parts for machinery that moves. Distributors throughout the US. While they do channel Leroy Somers parts, our gearbox is not a stock item and they sourced it back as a special order to France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a side note, they offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes, which would have been an option had I not destroyed the top plate.

I have not run across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We have been on the Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10 years.

Regards,

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Who was the gearbox vendor?

My friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat is Spirit.

He liked Kimberlite so much he bought a 54.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Eric. I am near Philadelphia.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM240

Rock Hall, MD

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] kimberlite@...%20[amelyachtowners]> " <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,

Where are you located.

Eric

Kimberlite sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I just received a quote from our local Leroy Somers rep for a
> new main
> outhaul gearbox for $460. Problem is about a 14 week lead time between
> production in France, summer vacation, and ocean shipping. What
> has been the
> cost and time when purchasing direct from Amel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> ALETES SM#240
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Thanks Mike,

When you have the new gearbox it is a great time to add the grease holes. Do you have an autoprop?

When I am back in NY with Kimberlite I will send you some photos.

If you order the box locally I would have them ship it without grease and you can then have it powder coated.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

 

 

Eric,

The vendor I have been using for seals and bearings is Motion Industries, national distributors of parts for machinery that moves. Distributors throughout the US. While they do channel Leroy Somers parts, our gearbox is not a stock item and they sourced it back as a special order to France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a side note, they offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes, which would have been an option had I not destroyed the top plate.

I have not run across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We have been on the Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10 years.

Regards,

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Who was the gearbox vendor?

My friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat is Spirit.

He liked Kimberlite so much he bought a 54.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Eric. I am near Philadelphia.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM240

Rock Hall, MD

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] " <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,

Where are you located.

Eric

Kimberlite sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I just received a quote from our local Leroy Somers rep for a
> new main
> outhaul gearbox for $460. Problem is about a 14 week lead time between
> production in France, summer vacation, and ocean shipping. What
> has been the
> cost and time when purchasing direct from Amel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> ALETES SM#240
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida

James Alton
 

Doug,
   You can reach me at Lokiyawl2@....  Very busy at work so my response time might be slowed but glad to answer any questions.
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 06-15-2016 12:37 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida


 

Thanks for the recommendation Bill. 

James-  I have a few questions for you, any chance you could email me at mukkison at hotmail_dot_com?

Thanks!
Doug


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida

tdbladin@...
 

Thanks for the recommendation Bill. 

James-  I have a few questions for you, any chance you could email me at mukkison at hotmail_dot_com?

Thanks!
Doug


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Doug,

Paul Anstey did a good job on our recent purchase.  He knows his stuff in general, and is “Amel Savvy”.  His report was accurate, complete and timely.  

He is based in Fort Lauderdale, I am not sure if Stuart is outside his normal travel range.

panstey at mindspring dot com
954-270-1949


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Port Canaveral, FL



On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:00, tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida

James Alton
 

Doug,
   I looked at this Maramu a while back and decided to pass.  You might talk to Joel, he has some knowledge of the boat.  I too was impressed by the construction and design, enough so to buy another Maramu.  Best of luck.
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "tdbladin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 06-15-2016 11:00 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida


 

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL



Amel surveyor- Florida

tdbladin@...
 

Hi,

Our family is looking at the Amel 46' for sale in Stuart, Fl (SV Pura Vida).  Can anyone recommend a good Amel surveyor in the region?

Also, are hull blisters a common problem on this boat (1983 build).

It sure is an awesome boat!!

Thanks!
Doug
Melbourne Beach, FL



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster - Possible Solution to your problem

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jose,

I believe that if you carefully go through this email, your problems will be solved.

I have several suggestions after reading all of your postings. I noted that after one of the seal changes everything worked fine for a year, that would lead me to believe that something is different. But, I also have unanswered questions. Let me ask the questions first:

  1. Where did you buy the foam seals?
  2. Where did you buy the lip seal?
  3. Did you know that the original external foam seals were neoprene and the interior seal was natural foam? Also it is very difficult to tell the difference. Neoprene will last longer in saltwater and does not transmit water like natural foam.
  4. Did you fill the inside of the lip seal with waterproof grease before installing it?
  5. Is it possible that the lip seal is upside down?

I believe your issue could be caused by in order of probability:

  1. You said by pulling back on the tube, you saw water pass. I firmly believe if this happened to you, your bow is too low in the water. The water line should be at least 5 or 6" below the opening and pulling back (deforming the lip seal) should produce zero water unless pounding in the sea. You also said that your first seal change lasted a year. Normally people have unloaded boats when they purchase them and load them up. If you get water passing by pulling back on the tube while not motoring or sailing, I am absolutely 100% positive that at the very least, your bow is too heavy based on what you said about pulling the tube.
  2. It is possible that you used non-neoprene foam seals externally? BTW, Amel now ships a set of 3 neoprene seals so that you cannot make this mistake.
  3. It is possible that you have an incorrect size for the lip seal, or that it is not installed correctly?
  4. It is possible that you are not using the locking pin, or that the cable needs adjusting, or both?

I believe with a high degree of certainty that your issue is 1 or more of the 4 above, and based on what you said, I am 100% positive that your bow is too low.

Modifications, including different materials, changed specifications, and/or devices installed to overcome any or all of the issues above are not recommended and you should systematically go through 1-4 above and rectify all problems found.

If I am correct regarding the bow being too low, I recommended that after correcting this, and at the earliest possible date, that you separate the motor from the tube and inspect that area and the bearing in the motor. It will be full of rust and corrosion. Clean it well and use a generous amount of waterproof grease when you reassemble....if not, it will become stuck, worse, the motor bearing will collapse. Also, an interval of 2 years is appropriate for bow thruster service.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jun 7, 2016 10:48 PM, "jvenegas@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Joel,

I checked in my boat and as you mention, there is no draining tube out of the bow thruster compartment and that explain why we have been frustrated drying up with a sponge the water that regularly collects from the leaking bow thruster seals 

Since I bought my boat, I have serviced the bow thruster and replaced all seals in my SM278 several times (5 in 6 years) .   In all cases a leak developed around the lip seal soon after service. In fact, just after I bought the boat, the previous owner told me he had just serviced the thruster.  I was really shocked when I found the the compartment filled with water after just one overnight from Florida to Savanna.  I proceeded to replace all seals following AMEL instructions and the leak stopped for about a year.  That was the longest period without a leak and the start of my saga.

For the second to last service I spoke with AMEL in France and was reco mmended to add a third foam seal to the thruster assembly but that only eliminated the leak for a few weeks.  As I was about to cross the Atlantic, I developed a system with a clamp that I secured around the shaft and pushed down to create a good seal.  That worked well for the one year trip from Boston to Spain, Caribe, Santa Marta, Fort Lauderdale and back to Boston.  Although my solution is good and I recommend it to anybody doing long crossings,  as I returned to Boston it became a nuisance to have to clamp and unclamp the thruster every time we left the marina.  
So, taking advantage that I was  giving Ipanema a new bottom paint las week, I  serviced the bow thruster system for the last time and carefully cleaned the surfaces and changed again all the foam and lip seals and I added two extra turns to the top screw to bring the motor up as much as It was possible. 
Sadly, on my return trip from Glaucester to Boston unde r moderate waves I noted again a leak around the lip seal (brand new) in spite of the fact that I had to add manually quite a bit of extra tension to the cable in order to align the holes to pass the securing pin.  

Do you or anybody in this group have an idea of why is this leak persisting in my boat? 

I believe that the bottom two foam seals should be enough to completely seal the system and the lip seal should only work during the short period of time deploying or retracting the bow thruster.  So if they are not preventing a leak, it must be that in my boat poor alignment between the sealing surfaces may have developed or becomes important when tension is added to the cable to increase the sealing force.

Any suggestion about how to fix this problem.  It must not be very common as few people complain about it in this forum, but it may have been enough of a nuisance for Amel to add the tu bbing/valve to isolate and send the leaking water  to the main bilge. 

Has any one retrofitted such a tubbing/valve in SM2K earlier than the redlined version? 

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278 
Constitution Marina, Boston MA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Yes Mike, that would be nice !

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Wed, 6/15/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 7:18 AM


 









Mike
Do you want to post all of the details? Price?
Part Number? Contact information?
I am sure there is more than one person
interested.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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On Jun 15, 2016 7:46 AM,
"'Mike Ondra' mdondra@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Eric,



The vendor I have been using for seals and bearings is
Motion Industries, national distributors of parts for
machinery that moves. Distributors throughout the US. While
they do channel Leroy Somers parts, our gearbox is not a
stock item and they sourced it back as a special order to
France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a side note, they
offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes, which would have
been an option had I not destroyed the top plate.



I have not run across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We
have been on the Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10
years.



Regards,



Mike



ALETES SM#240



Rock Hall, MD



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul
gearbox



Mike,



Who was the gearbox vendor?



My friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat
is Spirit.



He liked Kimberlite so much he bought a 54.



Fair Winds



Eric



Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul
gearbox



Eric. I am near Philadelphia.



Mike Ondra



ALETES SM240



Rock Hall, MD



Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



"kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <mailto:kimberlite@...%20[amelyachtowners]>
" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Mike,



Where are you located.



Eric



Kimberlite sm 376



----- Original Message -----

From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@...
[amelyachtowners]"

Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 pm

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul
gearbox

To: amelyachtowners@...



> I just received a quote from our local Leroy Somers rep
for a

> new main

> outhaul gearbox for $460. Problem is about a 14 week
lead time between

> production in France, summer vacation, and ocean
shipping. What

> has been the

> cost and time when purchasing direct from Amel?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

> ALETES SM#240

>

>






































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mike

Do you want to post all of the details? Price? Part Number? Contact information?

I am sure there is more than one person interested.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 15, 2016 7:46 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

The vendor I have been using for seals and bearings is Motion Industries, national distributors of parts for machinery that moves. Distributors throughout the US. While they do channel Leroy Somers parts, our gearbox is not a stock item and they sourced it back as a special order to France. Hence the 14 week lead time. As a side note, they offer the service of rebuilding gearboxes, which would have been an option had I not destroyed the top plate.

I have not run across Spirit in the Upper Chesapeake. We have been on the Sassafras and now Rock Hall, MD for 10 years.

Regards,

Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Mike,

Who was the gearbox vendor?

My friend has his Amel 54 near Philly the name of the boat is Spirit.

He liked Kimberlite so much he bought a 54.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox

Eric. I am near Philadelphia.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM240

Rock Hall, MD

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"kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] kimberlite@...%20[amelyachtowners]> " <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,

Where are you located.

Eric

Kimberlite sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers main outhaul gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I just received a quote from our local Leroy Somers rep for a
> new main
> outhaul gearbox for $460. Problem is about a 14 week lead time between
> production in France, summer vacation, and ocean shipping. What
> has been the
> cost and time when purchasing direct from Amel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> ALETES SM#240
>
>

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