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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

If you look at the drawing you posted you omitted the end piece specifications which is R8.0 thickness 10 for each end, diameter of the hole in the end which is 8.2mm, and length of the end piece which is 20mm from hole center to pushrod. I think that all of these are correct, except thickness, which I believe should be 8 or 9mm.

Take another look at your drawing at http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html. There are 12 specifications listed on that drawing...and each is variable. In addition, there is one more specification which is the force...it should be N400.

So, there are 13 different variable specifications when ordering these. It is not a simple task to get correct. My friend, another SM owner got it mostly correct. I had to drill the end holes because he ordered 8mm, and it needed to be larger...your drawing shoes 8.2mm, and I think that is correct. Also, like you, my friend ordered 10mm thickness for the ends, but the original Amel strut was 8mm thick. I had to modify some things and it almost did not fit.

If you still have an old strut and you know it is original, compare it to all of the specs on your drawing.

It is more complicated than you think, and sometimes we get lucky!

Best,

Bill

 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Bill,

I am not technical at all, but isn’t it the “8 mm hinge on each side” the specification of the ends?

I just posted the drawing Bansbach sent me on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html
Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/20/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 6:44 PM




 









alex,
That description is not complete
because you also need the specification of each end where
they are connected. I am not sure of the
specification, but I am sure that this is a variable
specification that needs identification.
Like I said, Ben, it is
complicated.
BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at
9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good memory Kent,



I purchased 2 from

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999

Esteban Contreras estebanc@...



A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel

Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall

400 NM resistance

The stroke is 8 mm

The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm

With 8 mm hinge on each side.



Took a few weeks to build

They were $125 each (and free shipping).



These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for
10.000 opening... 

They also had a cheaper standard line.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room
hatch

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM





 



















Hi Ben,If you look back several

months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted
a

source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very

reasonably

priced.KentSM243Kristy 

On Jun 20,

2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Bill, Did you buy these struts

from Amel?Ben



Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG

#1120066SM #347

Sent from my

iPad

On Jun 20, 2016,

at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Derick,

My experience is they will last

about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I

think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but
that

is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are

rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except
to

keep them clean.

It is

easy to bend one of these if you close the lid
improperly.

The proper way to close is to press down on the middle
of

the engine room lid.

Best, 

BillBeBe 387le

Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at

11:58 PM, derickgates@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 



















Ben,  

I am

glad that you were able to find swift and competent care
for

what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for
sharing

this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more
care

when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been

stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had
to

replace it.  I found that after replacement of the
strut

that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than

before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need
to

be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have
a

suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick GatesSM2K#400

BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for

hurricane season.







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Andrew , thanks for that info 
Ian


On 21 Jun 2016, at 11:55, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi

 

We put 3 Victron SPP031401200 solar panels on the Emek solar Arc – they have a similar output. Emek could provide these but we got them from a local tradesman who specializes in domestic solar energy installations so this was at a very good price.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2016 at 09:05
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

 

 

Hi Paul, 

                 Can you tell me how many panels you have on your Emek arch and the dimensions of the panels ? If you know the name of the manufacturer and the name of the panel I can get the full specifications from the web.

 

Thanks,

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


On 20 Jun 2016, at 17:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill and Annsofie,

 

around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.

I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

 

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

I am not technical at all, but isn’t it the “8 mm hinge on each side” the specification of the ends?

I just posted the drawing Bansbach sent me on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html
Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 6:44 PM


 









alex,
That description is not complete
because you also need the specification of each end where
they are connected. I am not sure of the
specification, but I am sure that this is a variable
specification that needs identification.
Like I said, Ben, it is
complicated.
BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at
9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good memory Kent,



I purchased 2 from

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999

Esteban Contreras estebanc@easylift.com



A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel

Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall

400 NM resistance

The stroke is 8 mm

The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm

With 8 mm hinge on each side.



Took a few weeks to build

They were $125 each (and free shipping).



These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for
10.000 opening... 

They also had a cheaper standard line.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room
hatch

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM





 



















Hi Ben,If you look back several

months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted
a

source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very

reasonably

priced.KentSM243Kristy 

On Jun 20,

2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Bill, Did you buy these struts

from Amel?Ben



Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG

#1120066SM #347

Sent from my

iPad

On Jun 20, 2016,

at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Derick,

My experience is they will last

about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I

think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but
that

is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are

rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except
to

keep them clean.

It is

easy to bend one of these if you close the lid
improperly.

The proper way to close is to press down on the middle
of

the engine room lid.

Best, 

BillBeBe 387le

Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at

11:58 PM, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Ben,  

I am

glad that you were able to find swift and competent care
for

what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for
sharing

this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more
care

when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been

stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had
to

replace it.  I found that after replacement of the
strut

that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than

before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need
to

be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have
a

suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick GatesSM2K#400

BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for

hurricane season.







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronic Connections NMEA, Navigation, B&G, Raymarine, etc.

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Thanks Bill,

Very helpful.

Kind regards
Colin Streeter, 
Island Peal II, SM#332

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I uploaded a general diagram of the electronic connections on BeBe SM387.

You should be able to link to it here:

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Grenada

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin

 

I am interested in your plan to keep the original Furuno radar – we are thinking of upgrading also to a new Raymarine Radar but had thought more in terms of replacing the Furuno and how to adapt the existing fixtures. Just interested in your reasoning for keeping the original radar as well.

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

Ronspische sm472

 

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2016 at 14:31
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrade to Raymarine ES97 MFD

 

 

Thanks all for a most interesting discussion on nav systems upgrades. Always interesting to compare what others are doing.

 

Bill thank you I would be most interested to see your navigation electronics schematic and will have a look at it on the Yahoo site when we have better internet again.

 

Forgot to mention we also have one of the new Raymarine Quantum Radar's on back order, and hence adding the ES97 for better connectivity to that. Like the 4G Navico ones we hope it will be more accurate at picking out close and small targets like kayaks, channel markers or unlit small fishing boats (Indonesia) in fog and or at night. Will be in addition to the existing Furuno Amel installed radar on a 2nd radar platform 600mm below the existing one.

 

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II Amel53 #332

 

 

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:05 PM, seagasm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you crew for all your input, it is appreciated. We have gone ahead with the purchase of a Raymarine ES97MFD so we will see what transpires over the next few weeks, if interested I will let you know how the installation goes.

 

Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM # 171



 

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Colin Streeter

0411 016 445





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0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

 

We put 3 Victron SPP031401200 solar panels on the Emek solar Arc – they have a similar output. Emek could provide these but we got them from a local tradesman who specializes in domestic solar energy installations so this was at a very good price.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2016 at 09:05
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

 

 

Hi Paul, 

                 Can you tell me how many panels you have on your Emek arch and the dimensions of the panels ? If you know the name of the manufacturer and the name of the panel I can get the full specifications from the web.

 

Thanks,

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


On 20 Jun 2016, at 17:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill and Annsofie,

 

around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.

I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

 

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Ann-Sofie
You said 1500 Ah from the windgenerator during 4 month that I gott to 12,5 Ah aday
I might got it wrong?
Paul on SYKerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Ian the name is Tera Solar TRP 150B
148x68 cm
We have 3 of those so fare very happy with them
The remaining info you find on the Web
Paul SYKERPA SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Alan Leslie
 

Whatever it is 12Ah per day is not even worth considering.
We have 600W of solar panels and I checked the meter just now, we got 2.21KwH today, which at 24V = 92Ah
We have one freezer and one frig running 24/7 and two uses of the coffee machine via our 1500W inverter.plus various cameras, phones and laptops, tablets charging off and on..and last night we used around 70Ah overnight so the solar just about made it up today...we ran the generator for an hour this evening to bring it all up to 100% and run the water maker
We have a D400 wind generator that produces nothing at all...it was rebuilt 2 years ago...but still makes nothing..I think the regulator is not working...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - Fiji


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Sorry I don't understand Paul. What gives 12 Ah/day?

If you referr to to my previous e-mail about wind gen, my figures was only for the wind gen. 
With our intotal 600 W slolarpanel and windgen, we produce more Ah than we can use.
Today we only run the Dieselgen for less than one hour day and at anchor, living abord, with one freezer and two fridges, we use about 30-40 Ah a night. After running the diesel gen for less than an hour, mostyl to run the coffemachin, the wind and solar refills the system completely. During a windy night, the Ah meter can show as low as 30 Ah. 

We produce so much Ah that we are able to run the watemaker from the battery bank, that is recharged by sun and wind.

If we watch a film in the evening, using a video projector, PC and the big HiFi we normal start the dieselgen but can do without. If no dieselgen, our night consumption is around 60-70 Ah. 

How much we produce during a day, I have not a clue. But the meter is most of the time on +. 

Regards 
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232


Skickat från min iPad

20 juni 2016 kl. 15:55 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Bill and Annsofie,


around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.
I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Paul, 
                 Can you tell me how many panels you have on your Emek arch and the dimensions of the panels ? If you know the name of the manufacturer and the name of the panel I can get the full specifications from the web.

Thanks,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


On 20 Jun 2016, at 17:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill and Annsofie,

around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.
I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259




Re: Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Thanks Dennis
I assume you have a 12 v system given the high Ah. Do you have the 200 W or 400 w WG
? You have no problem of running the mizzen baloner at all? If you want you can send me info about installation and other relevant stuff hear or on my mail sykerpa@gmail.com
Paul on SYKerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

alex,

That description is not complete because you also need the specification of each end where they are connected. 
I am not sure of the specification, but I am sure that this is a variable specification that needs identification.

Like I said, Ben, it is complicated.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good memory Kent,

I purchased 2 from
Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@...

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM


 









Hi Ben,If you look back several
months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a
source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very
reasonably
priced.KentSM243Kristy 
On Jun 20,
2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Bill, Did you buy these struts
from Amel?Ben

Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG
#1120066SM #347


Sent from my
iPad
On Jun 20, 2016,
at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Derick,
My experience is they will last
about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I
think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that
is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are
rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to
keep them clean.
It is
easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly.
The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of
the engine room lid.
Best, 
BillBeBe 387le
Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at
11:58 PM, derickgates@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Ben,  
I am
glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for
what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing
this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care
when operating the engine room hatch.  
One of my gas struts had been
stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to
replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut
that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than
before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to
be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a
suggestion as to how long they should last?
Derick GatesSM2K#400
BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for
hurricane season.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel to the rescue

karkauai
 

I'm going to order some new toes from Amel, too...just to keep as spares.  I'm sure Alex already has a full set or two.


On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I still have my toe so I'm happy.  I think I will order new ones soon from Amel. As well.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 4:06 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,


Sorry to read about your injury.  May it fully heal with as little pain as possible.

We got new struts from Amel in La Rochelle last year, as the starboard side one had just failed a few days before our arrival.  The new ones are all nice and shiny in silver; the old ones were black with just the pistons being silver.

Best,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Beaulieu-sur-Mer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Ill check.. Thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,
If you look back several months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very reasonably priced.
Kent
SM243
Kristy 

On Jun 20, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, 
Did you buy these struts from Amel?
Ben


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Derick,

My experience is they will last about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to keep them clean.

It is easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly. The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of the engine room lid.

Best, 

Bill
BeBe 387
le Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:58 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ben,  


I am glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel to the rescue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I still have my toe so I'm happy.  I think I will order new ones soon from Amel. As well.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 4:06 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,


Sorry to read about your injury.  May it fully heal with as little pain as possible.

We got new struts from Amel in La Rochelle last year, as the starboard side one had just failed a few days before our arrival.  The new ones are all nice and shiny in silver; the old ones were black with just the pistons being silver.

Best,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Beaulieu-sur-Mer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent,

I remember not long after when I changed mine (May 2013), the question came on the forum and being very new I did not want to say how much I paid for them as I thought I paid way too much…
Only time will say if it was a good decision.
There is no way I will ever reach the 10.000 opening, just curious if they will last longer than the others…

Regardless the technical information can help other finding different products!

How do you like Curacao?

Off forum, just back from the Dermatologist, as I was worrying about a mole getting larger, thankfully was benign!

Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 4:02 PM


 









Bon Tardi from Curaçao, Alex.  I guess
you set the standard with Bansbach.  By the time I bought
mine they were $75 each including shipping.  It's rare
that I get a better price than someone else!Kent
On Jun 20,
2016, at 4:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good memory Kent,



I purchased 2 from

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999

Esteban Contreras estebanc@easylift.com



A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel

Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall

400 NM resistance

The stroke is 8 mm

The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm

With 8 mm hinge on each side.



Took a few weeks to build

They were $125 each (and free shipping).



These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for
10.000 opening... 

They also had a cheaper standard line.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room
hatch

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM





 



















Hi Ben,If you look back several

months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted
a

source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very

reasonably

priced.KentSM243Kristy 

On Jun 20,

2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Bill, Did you buy these struts

from Amel?Ben



Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG

#1120066SM #347

Sent from my

iPad

On Jun 20, 2016,

at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Derick,

My experience is they will last

about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I

think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but
that

is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are

rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except
to

keep them clean.

It is

easy to bend one of these if you close the lid
improperly.

The proper way to close is to press down on the middle
of

the engine room lid.

Best, 

BillBeBe 387le

Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at

11:58 PM, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Ben,  

I am

glad that you were able to find swift and competent care
for

what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for
sharing

this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more
care

when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been

stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had
to

replace it.  I found that after replacement of the
strut

that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than

before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need
to

be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have
a

suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick GatesSM2K#400

BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for

hurricane season.






























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

karkauai
 

Bon Tardi from Curaçao, Alex.  I guess you set the standard with Bansbach.  By the time I bought mine they were $75 each including shipping.  It's rare that I get a better price than someone else!
Kent



On Jun 20, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good memory Kent,

I purchased 2 from
Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@...

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM


 









Hi Ben,If you look back several
months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a
source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very
reasonably
priced.KentSM243Kristy 
On Jun 20,
2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Bill, Did you buy these struts
from Amel?Ben

Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG
#1120066SM #347
Sent from my
iPad
On Jun 20, 2016,
at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Derick,
My experience is they will last
about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I
think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that
is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are
rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to
keep them clean.
It is
easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly.
The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of
the engine room lid.
Best, 
BillBeBe 387le
Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at
11:58 PM, derickgates@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Ben,  
I am
glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for
what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing
this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care
when operating the engine room hatch.  
One of my gas struts had been
stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to
replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut
that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than
before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to
be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a
suggestion as to how long they should last?
Derick GatesSM2K#400
BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for
hurricane season.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Dennis,

We have a very good arch which including the solar panel and the davits hardware is less then $6000.

Doesn’t make noise either…

:-)

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 20 Jun 2016, at 18:58, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

I've commented on this topic before in this group and my experience is different than most of the current responders.  This topic gets about the same attention as anchors.  I find it curious that the cost/benefit equation being used for solar panels does not include the $10,000 arch installed in the stern.

We installed an Air Breeze windgen (with aftermarket propellers) just above our radar on the mizzen.  In 15 kts it generates 10-12 amps as long as the wind keeps blowing.

Our solar panels do not rotate to follow the sun so they only produce measurable amps 6 hours a day in cloudless skies.  We've almost completed a circumnavigation and we've seen an awful lot of cloudy days and we've been in a lot of anchorages where the wind blows all day and all night.

Our Air Breeze is very quiet.  When we are in an anchorage, it seems we can hear everyone else's windgen but not our own.  The Air Breeze has a ground switch that acts as a brake and allows us to hoist the mizzen stay sail without incident.

I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have about our windgen.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121
Grenada




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good memory Kent,

I purchased 2 from
Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@easylift.com

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM


 









Hi Ben,If you look back several
months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a
source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very
reasonably
priced.KentSM243Kristy 
On Jun 20,
2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Bill, Did you buy these struts
from Amel?Ben

Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG
#1120066SM #347
Sent from my
iPad
On Jun 20, 2016,
at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Derick,
My experience is they will last
about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I
think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that
is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are
rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to
keep them clean.
It is
easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly.
The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of
the engine room lid.
Best, 
BillBeBe 387le
Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at
11:58 PM, derickgates@comcast.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Ben,  
I am
glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for
what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing
this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care
when operating the engine room hatch.  
One of my gas struts had been
stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to
replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut
that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than
before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to
be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a
suggestion as to how long they should last?
Derick GatesSM2K#400
BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for
hurricane season.


Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

karkauai
 

Hi Ben,
If you look back several months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very reasonably priced.
Kent
SM243
Kristy 

On Jun 20, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, 
Did you buy these struts from Amel?
Ben


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Derick,

My experience is they will last about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to keep them clean.

It is easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly. The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of the engine room lid.

Best, 

Bill
BeBe 387
le Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:58 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ben,  


I am glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season.