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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel to the rescue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I now know if I had a good working set of struts, my accident would have been prevented or much less severe.. Shoes would have helped as well.  Another lesson learned.  


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm going to order some new toes from Amel, too...just to keep as spares.  I'm sure Alex already has a full set or two.


On Jun 20, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I still have my toe so I'm happy.  I think I will order new ones soon from Amel. As well.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 4:06 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,


Sorry to read about your injury.  May it fully heal with as little pain as possible.

We got new struts from Amel in La Rochelle last year, as the starboard side one had just failed a few days before our arrival.  The new ones are all nice and shiny in silver; the old ones were black with just the pistons being silver.

Best,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Beaulieu-sur-Mer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Yep. It does sound complex.  One sizing  error and you may be stuck with piece you cannot use.  No joy.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:44 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

alex,

That description is not complete because you also need the specification of each end where they are connected. 
I am not sure of the specification, but I am sure that this is a variable specification that needs identification.

Like I said, Ben, it is complicated.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good memory Kent,

I purchased 2 from
Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@...

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM


 









Hi Ben,If you look back several
months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted a
source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very
reasonably
priced.KentSM243Kristy 
On Jun 20,
2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Bill, Did you buy these struts
from Amel?Ben

Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG
#1120066SM #347


Sent from my
iPad
On Jun 20, 2016,
at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Derick,
My experience is they will last
about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I
think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but that
is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are
rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except to
keep them clean.
It is
easy to bend one of these if you close the lid improperly.
The proper way to close is to press down on the middle of
the engine room lid.
Best, 
BillBeBe 387le
Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at
11:58 PM, derickgates@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Ben,  
I am
glad that you were able to find swift and competent care for
what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for sharing
this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more care
when operating the engine room hatch.  
One of my gas struts had been
stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had to
replace it.  I found that after replacement of the strut
that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than
before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need to
be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have a
suggestion as to how long they should last?
Derick GatesSM2K#400
BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for
hurricane season.





Dodger glass thickness

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Can someone confirm the original specification for SM hard dodger glass.  What is thickness ?  And is it acrylic or polycarbonate ?


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator pulley

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Did the supplier assure you that the alternator is an isolated ground alternator?

What is the country of origin? If China, forget about it...in my opinion.

The pulley size is critical because RPMs for your motor RPM gauge come from the engine's 12VDC alternator.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:12 PM, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi, I am about to buy a non-genuine 12v alternator for Volvo D3-110i-C (Amel 54). The supplier has advised me this:

The alternator is 50Amp and is identical in every other way, you will however have to exchange your pulley from your old alternator to the new alternator in order for it to have the correct rotation speed as the volvo alternators also drive the tachometer reading and the pUlley speed is critical for an accurate reading. So the pulley must match your engine. The genuine volvo alternator would also need your pulley exchanging as they also do not come with the correct pulley fitted.


Does anyone have any experience of this? I am very surprised that a replacement alternator, even a genuine Volvo one, comes with the wrong pulley wheel attached!

Cheers,
Paul
Amel 54 "Ya Fohi"




Alternator pulley

ya_fohi
 

Hi, I am about to buy a non-genuine 12v alternator for Volvo D3-110i-C (Amel 54). The supplier has advised me this:

The alternator is 50Amp and is identical in every other way, you will however have to exchange your pulley from your old alternator to the new alternator in order for it to have the correct rotation speed as the volvo alternators also drive the tachometer reading and the pUlley speed is critical for an accurate reading. So the pulley must match your engine. The genuine volvo alternator would also need your pulley exchanging as they also do not come with the correct pulley fitted.


Does anyone have any experience of this? I am very surprised that a replacement alternator, even a genuine Volvo one, comes with the wrong pulley wheel attached!

Cheers,
Paul
Amel 54 "Ya Fohi"



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

I now understand what you mean by the 10 mm thickness!!! Around the R8.0 !!!

I no longer have the previous gas strut (which I don’t know if the were original), but on them was written:

RIVEN
588539.00
213601.00004
F1=400N 299/99

I don’t know what it means (except for the 400 newton), I sent it at the time to Bansbach.

As always thanks for the help, precision on understanding the specs!

Alexandre



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On Tue, 6/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2016, 7:37 AM


 









Alex,
If you look at the drawing you
posted you omitted the end piece specifications which is
R8.0 thickness 10 for each end, diameter of the hole in the
end which is 8.2mm, and length of the end piece which is
20mm from hole center to pushrod. I think that all of these
are correct, except thickness, which I believe should be 8
or 9mm.
Take another look at
your drawing at http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html.
There are 12 specifications listed on that drawing...and
each is variable. In addition, there is one more
specification which is the force...it should be
N400.
So, there are 13
different variable specifications when ordering these. It is
not a simple task to get correct. My friend, another SM
owner got it mostly correct. I had to drill the end holes
because he ordered 8mm, and it needed to be larger...your
drawing shoes 8.2mm, and I think that is correct. Also, like
you, my friend ordered 10mm thickness for the ends, but the
original Amel strut was 8mm thick. I had to modify some
things and it almost did not fit.
If you still have an old strut and
you know it is original, compare it to all of the specs on
your drawing.
It is
more complicated than you think, and sometimes we get
lucky!
Best,
Bill

 
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at
11:43 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good morning Bill,



I am not technical at all, but isn’t it the “8 mm hinge
on each side” the specification of the ends?



I just posted the drawing Bansbach sent me on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html

Hope that helps.



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 6/20/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine
room hatch

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 6:44 PM





 



















alex,

That description is not complete

because you also need the specification of each end
where

they are connected. I am not sure of the

specification, but I am sure that this is a variable

specification that needs identification.

Like I said, Ben, it is

complicated.

BillBeBe

387

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at

9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Good memory Kent,







I purchased 2 from



Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999



Esteban Contreras estebanc@easylift.com







A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel



Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall



400 NM resistance



The stroke is 8 mm



The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm



With 8 mm hinge on each side.







Took a few weeks to build



They were $125 each (and free shipping).







These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for

10.000 opening... 



They also had a cheaper standard line.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine
room

hatch



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM











 







































Hi Ben,If you look back several



months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted

a



source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very



reasonably



priced.KentSM243Kristy 



On Jun 20,



2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@yahoo.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:



































































 



























Bill, Did you buy these struts



from Amel?Ben







Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG



#1120066SM #347



Sent from my



iPad



On Jun 20, 2016,



at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:



































































 



























Derick,



My experience is they will last



about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two.
I



think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but

that



is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they
are



rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except

to



keep them clean.



It is



easy to bend one of these if you close the lid

improperly.



The proper way to close is to press down on the middle

of



the engine room lid.



Best, 



BillBeBe 387le



Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days



On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at



11:58 PM, derickgates@comcast.net



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:































































 







































Ben,  



I am



glad that you were able to find swift and competent
care

for



what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for

sharing



this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more

care



when operating the engine room hatch.  



One of my gas struts had been



stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had

to



replace it.  I found that after replacement of the

strut



that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than



before it got bent.  I think that these struts may
need

to



be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone
have

a



suggestion as to how long they should last?



Derick GatesSM2K#400



BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for



hurricane season.















































































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Bow Thruster and issue with broken blade with a non-branded propeller

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill Maffei,

There could be several reasons for the propeller rubbing against the tube when bursting to Port, but remember the tolerance is very close, and bursts will cause a lateral force one way or the other...any lateral play, will temporarily relocate the propeller slightly and momentarily. 

My guess in order of probability for the lateral play of the propeller:
  1. The pin through the hub could have worn a bigger hole in the hub
  2. The screws could have worked loose, or stretched
  3. The thruster propeller shaft bearings need replacing
And, of course, non-branded propeller may have been a little off in dimension or, flex's when lateral thrust is applied.

Good luck on your propeller replacement...service it every two years.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:25 PM, William Maffei <williammaffei@...> wrote:
So Bill, I believe I know what I need to do when I haul out in 2 weeks. Wondering a) if you know of a reason why the prop is rubbing against the thruster shaft while giving port bursts? b) before I contact Maud do you know the cost of a new “Amel” thruster propeller? You did and awesome job on your last service of my thruster! She is dry as a bone and works flawlessly… obviously up until this point but I don’t consider that a bad thing considering the time between services. Also, considering 2 prop blades brought me and my family in safely, without incident while getting tossed around in 20+ knots of breeze. :) Cheers and as always thanks for your help. 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes,

2 outside, 1 inside.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I don't own a Santorin, I own a Super Maramu, I assume they are similar.
Consequently I strongly suggest 2 on the foot as Amel originally designed it.
And 1 inside.
if you have not seen it yet, here illustration of Gary & Bill instruction:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/21/16, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2016, 8:43 AM


 









Thanks again friends!! I ordered new foam seals.
But now, given what read here,I have to put two or three
foam seals on bow thruster shaft of my Santorin?  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Bow thruster (HAHA)

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

I am sure that you know that when everything is perfect, the bow thruster sounds differently between Port and Starboard. This is the way that the reversible pitched 3-blade propeller sounds and operates.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill , we also have different noises on our bow thruster . Amel Guadeloupe had done some work on it and then they were concerned about the different noises in case they had reassembled something incorrectly
. They took the leg off and stripped it down on the bench but found everything to be O K . That was 7 years ago . It still sings a different song on port and starboard but has worked perfectly ever since .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece


On 20 Jun 2016, at 04:08, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone -


This is not the standard bow thruster question on the forum... 


My bow thruster is working just fine however, I noticed today that while using port bursts it sounds a bit louder than it usually does. Starboard bursts sound as they always do. Performance is the same. There seems to be a bit more vibration during the port burst but not the starboard bursts. I have not had a chance to look at it yet, will do tomorrow just wondering if anyone had the same experience/solution. Maybe the propeller needs replacing? 


P.S. I saw Ipanema sail past me in Boston Harbor today and she looked fantastic!!! 


Thanks,


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I don't own a Santorin, I own a Super Maramu, I assume they are similar.
Consequently I strongly suggest 2 on the foot as Amel originally designed it.
And 1 inside.
if you have not seen it yet, here illustration of Gary & Bill instruction:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/21/16, rossienio@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2016, 8:43 AM


 









Thanks again friends!! I ordered new foam seals.
But now, given what read here,I have to put two or three
foam seals on bow thruster shaft of my Santorin?  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem

rossienio@...
 

Thanks again friends!! I ordered new foam seals. But now, given what read here,I have to put two or three foam seals on bow thruster shaft of my Santorin?  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Bow thruster (HAHA)

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bill , we also have different noises on our bow thruster . Amel Guadeloupe had done some work on it and then they were concerned about the different noises in case they had reassembled something incorrectly
. They took the leg off and stripped it down on the bench but found everything to be O K . That was 7 years ago . It still sings a different song on port and starboard but has worked perfectly ever since .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece


On 20 Jun 2016, at 04:08, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone -


This is not the standard bow thruster question on the forum... 


My bow thruster is working just fine however, I noticed today that while using port bursts it sounds a bit louder than it usually does. Starboard bursts sound as they always do. Performance is the same. There seems to be a bit more vibration during the port burst but not the starboard bursts. I have not had a chance to look at it yet, will do tomorrow just wondering if anyone had the same experience/solution. Maybe the propeller needs replacing? 


P.S. I saw Ipanema sail past me in Boston Harbor today and she looked fantastic!!! 


Thanks,


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

If you look at the drawing you posted you omitted the end piece specifications which is R8.0 thickness 10 for each end, diameter of the hole in the end which is 8.2mm, and length of the end piece which is 20mm from hole center to pushrod. I think that all of these are correct, except thickness, which I believe should be 8 or 9mm.

Take another look at your drawing at http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html. There are 12 specifications listed on that drawing...and each is variable. In addition, there is one more specification which is the force...it should be N400.

So, there are 13 different variable specifications when ordering these. It is not a simple task to get correct. My friend, another SM owner got it mostly correct. I had to drill the end holes because he ordered 8mm, and it needed to be larger...your drawing shoes 8.2mm, and I think that is correct. Also, like you, my friend ordered 10mm thickness for the ends, but the original Amel strut was 8mm thick. I had to modify some things and it almost did not fit.

If you still have an old strut and you know it is original, compare it to all of the specs on your drawing.

It is more complicated than you think, and sometimes we get lucky!

Best,

Bill

 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Bill,

I am not technical at all, but isn’t it the “8 mm hinge on each side” the specification of the ends?

I just posted the drawing Bansbach sent me on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html
Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 6/20/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 6:44 PM




 









alex,
That description is not complete
because you also need the specification of each end where
they are connected. I am not sure of the
specification, but I am sure that this is a variable
specification that needs identification.
Like I said, Ben, it is
complicated.
BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at
9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good memory Kent,



I purchased 2 from

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999

Esteban Contreras estebanc@...



A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel

Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall

400 NM resistance

The stroke is 8 mm

The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm

With 8 mm hinge on each side.



Took a few weeks to build

They were $125 each (and free shipping).



These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for
10.000 opening... 

They also had a cheaper standard line.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room
hatch

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM





 



















Hi Ben,If you look back several

months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted
a

source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very

reasonably

priced.KentSM243Kristy 

On Jun 20,

2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Bill, Did you buy these struts

from Amel?Ben



Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG

#1120066SM #347

Sent from my

iPad

On Jun 20, 2016,

at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Derick,

My experience is they will last

about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I

think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but
that

is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are

rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except
to

keep them clean.

It is

easy to bend one of these if you close the lid
improperly.

The proper way to close is to press down on the middle
of

the engine room lid.

Best, 

BillBeBe 387le

Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at

11:58 PM, derickgates@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 



















Ben,  

I am

glad that you were able to find swift and competent care
for

what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for
sharing

this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more
care

when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been

stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had
to

replace it.  I found that after replacement of the
strut

that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than

before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need
to

be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have
a

suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick GatesSM2K#400

BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for

hurricane season.







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Andrew , thanks for that info 
Ian


On 21 Jun 2016, at 11:55, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi

 

We put 3 Victron SPP031401200 solar panels on the Emek solar Arc – they have a similar output. Emek could provide these but we got them from a local tradesman who specializes in domestic solar energy installations so this was at a very good price.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2016 at 09:05
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

 

 

Hi Paul, 

                 Can you tell me how many panels you have on your Emek arch and the dimensions of the panels ? If you know the name of the manufacturer and the name of the panel I can get the full specifications from the web.

 

Thanks,

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


On 20 Jun 2016, at 17:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill and Annsofie,

 

around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.

I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

 

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

I am not technical at all, but isn’t it the “8 mm hinge on each side” the specification of the ends?

I just posted the drawing Bansbach sent me on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_hatch_gas_strut.html
Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room hatch
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 6:44 PM


 









alex,
That description is not complete
because you also need the specification of each end where
they are connected. I am not sure of the
specification, but I am sure that this is a variable
specification that needs identification.
Like I said, Ben, it is
complicated.
BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at
9:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good memory Kent,



I purchased 2 from

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999

Esteban Contreras estebanc@easylift.com



A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel

Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall

400 NM resistance

The stroke is 8 mm

The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm

With 8 mm hinge on each side.



Took a few weeks to build

They were $125 each (and free shipping).



These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for
10.000 opening... 

They also had a cheaper standard line.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas struts for engine room
hatch

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, June 20, 2016, 3:20 PM





 



















Hi Ben,If you look back several

months (maybe a year) I think it was  Alexandre posted
a

source for these in the US.  Stainless steel and very

reasonably

priced.KentSM243Kristy 

On Jun 20,

2016, at 8:50 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Bill, Did you buy these struts

from Amel?Ben



Ben DriverLa Bella VitaCG

#1120066SM #347

Sent from my

iPad

On Jun 20, 2016,

at 6:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Derick,

My experience is they will last

about 6-8 years...my experience with the original two. I

think you should replace them in pairs...I did not, but
that

is another story. Do not over-spec the thrust...they are

rated at N400. There is no maintenance on these except
to

keep them clean.

It is

easy to bend one of these if you close the lid
improperly.

The proper way to close is to press down on the middle
of

the engine room lid.

Best, 

BillBeBe 387le

Phare Bleu, Grenada for a few days

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at

11:58 PM, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Ben,  

I am

glad that you were able to find swift and competent care
for

what must be an excruciating injury.  Thank you for
sharing

this cautionary tale.  I will certainly take even more
care

when operating the engine room hatch.  

One of my gas struts had been

stepped on by an over-eager Yanmar technician and I had
to

replace it.  I found that after replacement of the
strut

that the hatch gave a much more controlled closure than

before it got bent.  I think that these struts may need
to

be replaced on some regular schedule.  Does anyone have
a

suggestion as to how long they should last?

Derick GatesSM2K#400

BravaCurrently on the hard in Antigua for

hurricane season.







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronic Connections NMEA, Navigation, B&G, Raymarine, etc.

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Thanks Bill,

Very helpful.

Kind regards
Colin Streeter, 
Island Peal II, SM#332

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I uploaded a general diagram of the electronic connections on BeBe SM387.

You should be able to link to it here:

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Grenada

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin

 

I am interested in your plan to keep the original Furuno radar – we are thinking of upgrading also to a new Raymarine Radar but had thought more in terms of replacing the Furuno and how to adapt the existing fixtures. Just interested in your reasoning for keeping the original radar as well.

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

Ronspische sm472

 

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2016 at 14:31
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrade to Raymarine ES97 MFD

 

 

Thanks all for a most interesting discussion on nav systems upgrades. Always interesting to compare what others are doing.

 

Bill thank you I would be most interested to see your navigation electronics schematic and will have a look at it on the Yahoo site when we have better internet again.

 

Forgot to mention we also have one of the new Raymarine Quantum Radar's on back order, and hence adding the ES97 for better connectivity to that. Like the 4G Navico ones we hope it will be more accurate at picking out close and small targets like kayaks, channel markers or unlit small fishing boats (Indonesia) in fog and or at night. Will be in addition to the existing Furuno Amel installed radar on a 2nd radar platform 600mm below the existing one.

 

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II Amel53 #332

 

 

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:05 PM, seagasm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you crew for all your input, it is appreciated. We have gone ahead with the purchase of a Raymarine ES97MFD so we will see what transpires over the next few weeks, if interested I will let you know how the installation goes.

 

Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM # 171



 

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Colin Streeter

0411 016 445





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

 

We put 3 Victron SPP031401200 solar panels on the Emek solar Arc – they have a similar output. Emek could provide these but we got them from a local tradesman who specializes in domestic solar energy installations so this was at a very good price.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, 21 June 2016 at 09:05
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

 

 

Hi Paul, 

                 Can you tell me how many panels you have on your Emek arch and the dimensions of the panels ? If you know the name of the manufacturer and the name of the panel I can get the full specifications from the web.

 

Thanks,

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


On 20 Jun 2016, at 17:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill and Annsofie,

 

around 12 Ah a day as an average is not very impressive at all, our 450 from Emek gives on average 80 Ah per day and good days over 100 Ah, the 200 w on the rail gives "only" just over 15Ah per day.I think they more often get in shadow, and it's regulator "slow" them down when batteries reaching 95% or above but the regulator for the 450 W arc continues to give full blast more or less. so compared with that, a wind generator does not give much, I'm surprised about the low figures you mention. At 12 knots a superwind should give ca 24 Ah 24 h, and during 2 h at 20 knots wind should give 15 Ah. But more interesting than the average is what does it give days when solar does not give much such as rainy murky days? And as you Bill I do not like to run the diesel generator when sailing or anchored closed to others.

I have two spare 100 watt flexible light weight solar cells I was planing to put on the canvas bimini, but the canvas man said it's not a good idea, you will get chafe, and water/moister between the canvas and the Solar cell, the chafe I believe could be sorted out with chafe protection, but the moister issue might be more difficult to solve. Does anyone have any experience with light weight solar panels on top of the bimini or spray hood?

 

An other interesting thing with solar panels, they give surprisingly much even cloudy days. the lowest we got from the 450 w panels have been 28 Ah during the two month we have had the Victron MPPT controller, that was a cloudy and rainy day

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Ann-Sofie
You said 1500 Ah from the windgenerator during 4 month that I gott to 12,5 Ah aday
I might got it wrong?
Paul on SYKerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Ian the name is Tera Solar TRP 150B
148x68 cm
We have 3 of those so fare very happy with them
The remaining info you find on the Web
Paul SYKERPA SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Alan Leslie
 

Whatever it is 12Ah per day is not even worth considering.
We have 600W of solar panels and I checked the meter just now, we got 2.21KwH today, which at 24V = 92Ah
We have one freezer and one frig running 24/7 and two uses of the coffee machine via our 1500W inverter.plus various cameras, phones and laptops, tablets charging off and on..and last night we used around 70Ah overnight so the solar just about made it up today...we ran the generator for an hour this evening to bring it all up to 100% and run the water maker
We have a D400 wind generator that produces nothing at all...it was rebuilt 2 years ago...but still makes nothing..I think the regulator is not working...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - Fiji