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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

amelforme
 

Hi Bill. I did not write that and if I did I could not post it because of lawyers…!!

 

That said, the only bulkhead not ‘shifted’ was the very first one isolating the chain locker. I spoke with insurance companies, shipyards in Venezuela and in the Pacific Northwest, surveyors, fiberglass ‘experts’ and on and on. I advised Amel not to sell them a new keel but they chose to do so rather than keeping this Frankenboat irretrievably broken and in a land fill. Oh well. They said there was some obscure law that says you cannot deny someone parts even if you don’t think the repair is viable. I wonder what Olivier thinks about this boat?

 

I bet you and Judy are having fun with your Grands.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 7:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

 

 

Joel,

All of that is correct except you did mention the masts which were salvaged from anothe non-Amel boat.

Also, Judy and I were in Venezuela when this boat arrived there in 2006. All of the bulkheads had apparently been cracked in the fall during Ivan. They were cosmetically patched.

This boat will be some unsuspecting fool's nightmare.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 27, 2016 4:54 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I spoke several times to the guy who bought it and later crashed it and tore the keel off. He called me and asked me for my opinion about the boat before he handed over his dough. Even though the boat had been totaled by the insurance company, sold as salvage, and reassembled by some beavers with bad teeth, he purchased it WITHOUT A SURVEY.

 

“At high rpm there was severe vibrations” Holy mackerel, only severe?

 

If you are considering buying this boat, DO NOT CALL ME.

 

Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

I noticed that Amel Super Maramu hull # 317 Papa II is listed for sale on yachtworld dot com, lying in Seattle.

I didn't see any history of multiple severe damage incidents mentioned in the broker's listing, thus I felt it my duty to post this.

It is my understanding that some of the history of Amel Super Maramu 2000 hull # 317 is as follows:

The boat was previously known as Lady Divina. She boat was blown off of her stands while on the hard in Venezuela by hurricane Ivan in 2004. A hole was punched completely through the hull and the nav station area and bulkhead underwent extensive repairs.

The boat was then put up for sale and after a long time on the market she was purchased by a new owner at a substantial discount.

On July 6, 2007 while in British Columbia, Canada the new owner ran her into the rocks under full power at 8 knots causing the keel to be completely ripped off, separated from the hull and lost.

In post #'s 2998 and 2999 on this Yahoo group the owner wrote:

"Well the bow thruster prop repair is way down on the list today.
Yesterday PAPA struck a rock HARD at 8 knots in Canada and LOST HER
KEEL. She floated free after it got ripped off in about 10 minutes
of twisting and rolling with the surging currents. I was able to
motor slowly away to deeper water and dive over to see the keel was
GONE. At high RPM's there was severe vibrations so I took the FREE
(CANADA COAST GUARD IS AWESOME) tow to Port Hardy, BC where I will be
spending some time exploring the construction of the AMELS...

Once out of the water you can see all the stainless keel bolts were
cut clean off. The transmission housing is sagging down 4 inches
(but the prop turns fine and was able to motor slowly into the
haulout slip.) There is fresh water leaking out from the bottom of
what is left of the keel, so I will be drinking large quanities of
good Canadian Beer.

If anyone has any experience with reattaching a keel, water tank
repair or transmission issues, I am all ears."

And finally, two months later while awaiting repairs the owner was killed on October 18, 2007 in a tragic kite surfing accident in Seattle. ( www dot sailpapa dot com )

If anyone believes any of this information is in error please notify me and I will immediately post a correction.

Just thought you might want to know – I would if I were in the market.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Jamie,

To add on Bill’s links.

I started to illustrate the Amel C-Drive wear bushing, etc. but this is incomplete. I have the pictures, just run out of time.
Here is the beginning:
http://nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 6/28/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 7:47 AM


 









Jamie,
The following are in the files
section:
Shaft Bushing
and Seals Replacement.pdf 98KBsvbebe Jun
8, 2012
_Wear Bushing
and Seals Replacement 3-5-09.pdf 554KBlji004 May
16, 2014C
Drive Wear Bushing, Oil, and Seal Replacement from
Amel.pdf 1825KBThese
instructions are from Amel with comments from Bill Rouse in
REDsvbebe Apr
24The last one above is the Amel service
instructions in French and English. All C Drive wear
bushings are the same from Santorin to the 64. Don't
forget to clean the inside surface where the outside surface
of the seal meets the inside surface of the seal wall. This
is probably the most common
mistake!
One of the above may be under
Files
> Miscellaneous
BillBeBe 387Currently
Trinidad
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at
12:02 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Alexandre,
I am interested in your recommendations for servicing the
Amel C-drive. Do you have a procedure to do that? I do not
see it in my manual.Any
help there would be appreciated.Jamie s/v Phantom Amel
54 #044

On Tuesday, June 28,
2016 7:12 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



 











Congratulations Niels!!!



Welcome to the group!



I would suggest to read over and over the owner manuals to
get familiar with the vessel, especially its Mizzen and
Genoa ballooners.

It will also tell you how to lock (pin in) the bow thruster
when you go sailing, also make sure to wait before changing
the direction of the bow thruster (I wait 2 sec), don’t
use it for too long either.

If the owner manuals are not onboard let us know and we will
send you links.



Do you know when the Amel C Drive and the bow thruster were
last serviced? They need to be every 2 years.



Welcome again! Enjoy !!!



Sincerely, Alexandre (from Switzerland)

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Tue, 6/28/16, Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@icloud.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner
SM#351

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 5:49 AM





 



















Hello

Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have

bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).The

boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of
France,

and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this

summer.If

someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice
to

have information, please I will be very happy to hear
from

you.I

have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this

forum for years, and really look forward to being an
active

part of the discussions JHave

a great summer everyone!























BR

Niels



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

The following are in the files section:


The last one above is the Amel service instructions in French and English. All C Drive wear bushings are the same from Santorin to the 64. Don't forget to clean the inside surface where the outside surface of the seal meets the inside surface of the seal wall. This is probably the most common mistake!

One of the above may be under FilesMiscellaneous

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Trinidad

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alexandre, I am interested in your recommendations for servicing the Amel C-drive. Do you have a procedure to do that? I do not see it in my manual.
Any help there would be appreciated.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:12 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Congratulations Niels!!!

Welcome to the group!

I would suggest to read over and over the owner manuals to get familiar with the vessel, especially its Mizzen and Genoa ballooners.
It will also tell you how to lock (pin in) the bow thruster when you go sailing, also make sure to wait before changing the direction of the bow thruster (I wait 2 sec), don’t use it for too long either.
If the owner manuals are not onboard let us know and we will send you links.

Do you know when the Amel C Drive and the bow thruster were last serviced? They need to be every 2 years.

Welcome again! Enjoy !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre (from Switzerland)
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/28/16, Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 5:49 AM


 









Hello
Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have
bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).The
boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of France,
and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this
summer.If
someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice to
have information, please I will be very happy to hear from
you.I
have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this
forum for years, and really look forward to being an active
part of the discussions JHave
a great summer everyone!











BR
Niels









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Alexandre, I am interested in your recommendations for servicing the Amel C-drive. Do you have a procedure to do that? I do not see it in my manual.
Any help there would be appreciated.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:12 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 

Congratulations Niels!!!

Welcome to the group!

I would suggest to read over and over the owner manuals to get familiar with the vessel, especially its Mizzen and Genoa ballooners.
It will also tell you how to lock (pin in) the bow thruster when you go sailing, also make sure to wait before changing the direction of the bow thruster (I wait 2 sec), don’t use it for too long either.
If the owner manuals are not onboard let us know and we will send you links.

Do you know when the Amel C Drive and the bow thruster were last serviced? They need to be every 2 years.

Welcome again! Enjoy !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre (from Switzerland)
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/28/16, Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 5:49 AM


 









Hello
Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have
bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).The
boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of France,
and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this
summer.If
someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice to
have information, please I will be very happy to hear from
you.I
have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this
forum for years, and really look forward to being an active
part of the discussions JHave
a great summer everyone!











BR
Niels









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations Niels!!!

Welcome to the group!

I would suggest to read over and over the owner manuals to get familiar with the vessel, especially its Mizzen and Genoa ballooners.
It will also tell you how to lock (pin in) the bow thruster when you go sailing, also make sure to wait before changing the direction of the bow thruster (I wait 2 sec), don’t use it for too long either.
If the owner manuals are not onboard let us know and we will send you links.

Do you know when the Amel C Drive and the bow thruster were last serviced? They need to be every 2 years.

Welcome again! Enjoy !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre (from Switzerland)
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/28/16, Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@icloud.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016, 5:49 AM


 









Hello
Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have
bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).The
boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of France,
and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this
summer.If
someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice to
have information, please I will be very happy to hear from
you.I
have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this
forum for years, and really look forward to being an active
part of the discussions JHave
a great summer everyone!











BR
Niels









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
 

Hi Niels,
Welcome to the group. This group is an amazing collection of Amel owners that all have a similar passion.
I live in Raymond Island Australia and love my Amel Mango 
Hope to catch up in a port some day.
Regards
Peter 
Gradiva
Mango #70

-- 
Peter Buckley

83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880

Phone: 0428 427 786

Email: carhartt@...


From: "Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:49:18 +0000 (UTC)
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

 

Hello Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).
The boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of France, and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this summer.
If someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice to have information, please I will be very happy to hear from you.
I have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this forum for years, and really look forward to being an active part of the discussions J
Have a great summer everyone!
BR Niels


Re: FW: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

SV Perigee
 

Thanks all, for the info.
David
Still on the hard, but inching closer . . .


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Joel,

All of that is correct except you did mention the masts which were salvaged from anothe non-Amel boat.

Also, Judy and I were in Venezuela when this boat arrived there in 2006. All of the bulkheads had apparently been cracked in the fall during Ivan. They were cosmetically patched.

This boat will be some unsuspecting fool's nightmare.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 27, 2016 4:54 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

I spoke several times to the guy who bought it and later crashed it and tore the keel off. He called me and asked me for my opinion about the boat before he handed over his dough. Even though the boat had been totaled by the insurance company, sold as salvage, and reassembled by some beavers with bad teeth, he purchased it WITHOUT A SURVEY.

 

“At high rpm there was severe vibrations” Holy mackerel, only severe?

 

If you are considering buying this boat, DO NOT CALL ME.

 

Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

I noticed that Amel Super Maramu hull # 317 Papa II is listed for sale on yachtworld dot com, lying in Seattle.

I didn't see any history of multiple severe damage incidents mentioned in the broker's listing, thus I felt it my duty to post this.

It is my understanding that some of the history of Amel Super Maramu 2000 hull # 317 is as follows:

The boat was previously known as Lady Divina. She boat was blown off of her stands while on the hard in Venezuela by hurricane Ivan in 2004. A hole was punched completely through the hull and the nav station area and bulkhead underwent extensive repairs.

The boat was then put up for sale and after a long time on the market she was purchased by a new owner at a substantial discount.

On July 6, 2007 while in British Columbia, Canada the new owner ran her into the rocks under full power at 8 knots causing the keel to be completely ripped off, separated from the hull and lost.

In post #'s 2998 and 2999 on this Yahoo group the owner wrote:

"Well the bow thruster prop repair is way down on the list today.
Yesterday PAPA struck a rock HARD at 8 knots in Canada and LOST HER
KEEL. She floated free after it got ripped off in about 10 minutes
of twisting and rolling with the surging currents. I was able to
motor slowly away to deeper water and dive over to see the keel was
GONE. At high RPM's there was severe vibrations so I took the FREE
(CANADA COAST GUARD IS AWESOME) tow to Port Hardy, BC where I will be
spending some time exploring the construction of the AMELS...

Once out of the water you can see all the stainless keel bolts were
cut clean off. The transmission housing is sagging down 4 inches
(but the prop turns fine and was able to motor slowly into the
haulout slip.) There is fresh water leaking out from the bottom of
what is left of the keel, so I will be drinking large quanities of
good Canadian Beer.

If anyone has any experience with reattaching a keel, water tank
repair or transmission issues, I am all ears."

And finally, two months later while awaiting repairs the owner was killed on October 18, 2007 in a tragic kite surfing accident in Seattle. ( www dot sailpapa dot com )

If anyone believes any of this information is in error please notify me and I will immediately post a correction.

Just thought you might want to know – I would if I were in the market.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Keel moving???

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

I looks at Papa II .  Waste of space. Junk!

Jpg Eleuthera SM 007



On 27 Jun 2016, at 22:27, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wow! I know Pappa II and this is what I had to say about it to this Group in July 2015:

"Lady Divina" hull #317 was the SM that was destroyed by hurricane Ivan in Grenada, then brought to Venezuela. It was cosmetically repaired with new veneer over cracked bulkheads, cosmetic fiberglass repair, and new, non-Amel masts. When it grounded and the fiberglass stub broke away with the keel, it was named "PAPA II."


I happened to be in Puerto La Cruz when the boat was there and before it became PAPA II. I saw the terrible patch job done on this Super Maramu. The story I was told by someone in Grenada was that this Super Maramu was destroyed during hurricane IVAN when the storm surge knocked her down on the concrete, stands punctured her hull and stub, then another large boat fell on top of her, breaking her back and bulkheads and masts.


Thanks for the rest of the story. I had no idea 317 was patched up again. Unbelievable!

I did a search of Conversations about 317 in this group and I found one that I am positive I did not see before, because. I would have certainly said something. A prospective Super Maramu buyer found PAPA II for sale in Seattle after the grounding and stub breaking loose. This prospective buyer said that he searched our postings and found the entire story starting with Ivan. He was asking us for some input. One of our Group Members replied saying that he knew the broker and the broker was reputable. I have not seen that Amel Group Member post anything in a year. I certainly hope his "broker recommendation" did not contribute to the eventual sale. I assume this sort of unethical behavior happens with the resale of any brand boat. Opportunistic, unknowing, and unethical people...they should become politicians!"

Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Out of curiosity I looked it up on the USCG site  and there is a vessel documented with the name "Yashar".  The previous name is Papa II with the hull number 317, so unless there are two SM's named "Yashar", and one is not documented, it appears to be the one.


Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



FW: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

amelforme
 

 

I spoke several times to the guy who bought it and later crashed it and tore the keel off. He called me and asked me for my opinion about the boat before he handed over his dough. Even though the boat had been totaled by the insurance company, sold as salvage, and reassembled by some beavers with bad teeth, he purchased it WITHOUT A SURVEY.

 

“At high rpm there was severe vibrations” Holy mackerel, only severe?

 

If you are considering buying this boat, DO NOT CALL ME.

 

Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

I noticed that Amel Super Maramu hull # 317 Papa II is listed for sale on yachtworld dot com, lying in Seattle.

I didn't see any history of multiple severe damage incidents mentioned in the broker's listing, thus I felt it my duty to post this.

It is my understanding that some of the history of Amel Super Maramu 2000 hull # 317 is as follows:

The boat was previously known as Lady Divina. She boat was blown off of her stands while on the hard in Venezuela by hurricane Ivan in 2004. A hole was punched completely through the hull and the nav station area and bulkhead underwent extensive repairs.

The boat was then put up for sale and after a long time on the market she was purchased by a new owner at a substantial discount.


On July 6, 2007 while in British Columbia, Canada the new owner ran her into the rocks under full power at 8 knots causing the keel to be completely ripped off, separated from the hull and lost.

In post #'s 2998 and 2999 on this Yahoo group the owner wrote:

"Well the bow thruster prop repair is way down on the list today.
Yesterday PAPA struck a rock HARD at 8 knots in Canada and LOST HER
KEEL. She floated free after it got ripped off in about 10 minutes
of twisting and rolling with the surging currents. I was able to
motor slowly away to deeper water and dive over to see the keel was
GONE. At high RPM's there was severe vibrations so I took the FREE
(CANADA COAST GUARD IS AWESOME) tow to Port Hardy, BC where I will be
spending some time exploring the construction of the AMELS...

Once out of the water you can see all the stainless keel bolts were
cut clean off. The transmission housing is sagging down 4 inches
(but the prop turns fine and was able to motor slowly into the
haulout slip.) There is fresh water leaking out from the bottom of
what is left of the keel, so I will be drinking large quanities of
good Canadian Beer.

If anyone has any experience with reattaching a keel, water tank
repair or transmission issues, I am all ears."

And finally, two months later while awaiting repairs the owner was killed on October 18, 2007 in a tragic kite surfing accident in Seattle. ( www dot sailpapa dot com )

If anyone believes any of this information is in error please notify me and I will immediately post a correction.

Just thought you might want to know – I would if I were in the market.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster possible tube out of round

amelforme
 

Hi Jim. I have to agree with Bill on this one. Had the same thing happen on a client’s boat I had up for sale. He hit something hard with the thruster down and the prop came off. Tried to retract the thruster, would only go half way. There was a measurable distortion in the shaft/’tube’. We removed the thruster and sanded the distorted area and examined it with all the intensity possible to see if it was compromised. It looked good so we sanded a bit undersize and used thinned epoxy to ‘dust’ on several coats with a Preval sprayer (google it, wonderful tool!) to seal it up. That was over 16 years ago and it still works fine. Put some olive oil on your fingertips, close your eyes and gently ‘feel’ the thruster tube. You will be surprised how sensitive your fingers can be if you tune out everything other than what you are trying to feel. I am not joking. Just don’t scratch your nose as you will soon be looking for balsamic vinegar…

 

Good luck with it. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster possible tube out of round

 

 

Jim,

Possibly the bow thruster hit some object in the water while extended, deforming the tube. You can replace just the tube, if Amel has that part and possibly there is an owner who replaced the entire thruster that may have a tube.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 26, 2016 2:55 PM, "capt.anderson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you everyone for your comments and interest. Here is my bowthruster in-the-water re-installation report: There was a little green slimy growth inside the trunk which I had my diver clean. It wasn’t bad and was not enough to be a problem. No barnacles or crustations. Upon re-installation (with a diver standing by) the shaft jammed at the same place it did on the way down, which is with about 4” of shaft above the interior seal. It was not possible to pull up hard enough to pull the shaft further up.  All it took was a gentle push from the diver below to overcome the resistance and it came up.  The thruster now operates fine however when retracting, at that exact 4” spot you can hear the retraction motor load up slightly for less than one second and you can see an ever-so-slight pause or “hiccup” in the upward movement of the shaft.  During extension the shaft hangs up in the same place on the way down but it is more pronounced. The extension/retraction motor doesn’t load up because the heavy weight of the bowthruster motor is enough to overcome the resistance. (I made a 0:27 low-resolution/small file size video but cannot easily figure out how to upload it here. I will if I can figure out ho to.)  My best guess is that the shaft is out-of-round at the point where it hangs up. For the time being my plan is to only service the bowthruster when the boat is out of the water, and at that time to see if a machine shop can precisely measure the top of the shaft and mill it back to the correct specification then. I will also first consult with Amel and ask for their suggestions and (ugh!) get a quote for an entire new bowthruster trunk assembly. And, I’m open to suggestions!  Since I’m casting off tomorrow for Alaska I will operate as is for now. All the Best to the Group & thanks for your input,

Jim

SM384 Sirena Azul

Seattle


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Keel moving???

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Wow! I know Pappa II and this is what I had to say about it to this Group in July 2015:

"Lady Divina" hull #317 was the SM that was destroyed by hurricane Ivan in Grenada, then brought to Venezuela. It was cosmetically repaired with new veneer over cracked bulkheads, cosmetic fiberglass repair, and new, non-Amel masts. When it grounded and the fiberglass stub broke away with the keel, it was named "PAPA II."


I happened to be in Puerto La Cruz when the boat was there and before it became PAPA II. I saw the terrible patch job done on this Super Maramu. The story I was told by someone in Grenada was that this Super Maramu was destroyed during hurricane IVAN when the storm surge knocked her down on the concrete, stands punctured her hull and stub, then another large boat fell on top of her, breaking her back and bulkheads and masts.


Thanks for the rest of the story. I had no idea 317 was patched up again. Unbelievable!

I did a search of Conversations about 317 in this group and I found one that I am positive I did not see before, because. I would have certainly said something. A prospective Super Maramu buyer found PAPA II for sale in Seattle after the grounding and stub breaking loose. This prospective buyer said that he searched our postings and found the entire story starting with Ivan. He was asking us for some input. One of our Group Members replied saying that he knew the broker and the broker was reputable. I have not seen that Amel Group Member post anything in a year. I certainly hope his "broker recommendation" did not contribute to the eventual sale. I assume this sort of unethical behavior happens with the resale of any brand boat. Opportunistic, unknowing, and unethical people...they should become politicians!"

Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:49 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Out of curiosity I looked it up on the USCG site  and there is a vessel documented with the name "Yashar".  The previous name is Papa II with the hull number 317, so unless there are two SM's named "Yashar", and one is not documented, it appears to be the one.


Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning Strike Chesapeake

Patrick McAneny
 

Tom, I have fairly new Raymarine  equipment and I think only one is damaged. Up until now all the tens of thousands I have paid in insurance premiums ,I  have always looked at as a waste of money, until now!

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: peacock@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2016 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning Strike Chesapeake

 
Hi Pat,
Have noted with sadness your lightning woes.  I can’t believe you’ve never had to file a claim for anything at your ripe age; you are one lucky guy.
That said, I agree with Alexandre that you should not rely on you insurance carrier to do the right thing; they may, or they may not. Remember, they are in the business of making money by protecting people, but they are nevertheless in the business of making money first.
One bit of info that may help: the new B&G instruments use a depth/speed/temperature sensor that fits perfectly into your current through-hull. Other manufacturers may fit, but they could not tell me for sure.
Would be happy to show your our current electric/electronic setup whenever.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall  MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Compartment Explosion

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

I am betting that your post will get misunderstood by a few people reading this forum.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 26, 2016 2:56 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It is easy to forget that batteries contain a HUGE amount of energy because we usually see it released a little at a time under careful control.  Being a bit paranoid about battery condition is a good thing, and Bill R’s description of what to do is a excellent approach.


Just for some round numbers, I put my engineering nerd hat on and sat down to calculate how much energy really is stored in a Amel battery bank.  I knew the number was going to be large, but the magnitude surprised me...

420 Amp-hours X 24 Volts = 10,080 Watt-hours

10,080 Watt-hours = 32,000,000 Joules

1 gram of TNT releases about 4000 joules when it explodes.

So one Amel battery bank contains as much energy as (very roughly) 8 kg of TNT!

Of course even a worst case battery scenario can't release all that energy anywhere near fast as detonating TNT, but still….

Respect the battery!

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Highlands, New Jersey



On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:39, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

Yes...according to the specs from the manufacturer. This test only returns a good or bad reading...red or green light. If you want more precise information there are digital testers that give you more info.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
  Your proactive battery testing to catch a bad battery before it fails sounds like a good idea to me.  With regards to the aforementioned tester detecting internal shorts is the instrument measuring the batteries internal resistance?  

James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 06-26-2016 9:52 AM (GMT-04:00) 
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Compartment Explosion 


 

James,

Buy a digital battery tester like the one any battery supplier has and most automotive shops have that test and printout the status, testing volts, charge state, current CCA, and test for internal shorts.

Or if you don't need a printout, buy the Solar brand Chinese knock-off. That is what I have and I test all batteries about every 3 months. 

https://www.amazon.com/BA9-40-1200-Digital-Battery-System/dp/B00IZFNJ6Y

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 26, 2016 8:43 AM, "Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
  How does one test for internal shorts by doing a load test?  Good information.
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 06-26-2016 9:31 AM (GMT-04:00) 
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Compartment Explosion 


 

Batteries, anchors, and other boat stuff that we all have firm options on...but for this posting I will stick to batteries. 

In my experience one person's experience with a single product, is only misleading and proves nothing, especially batteries where there are at least 10 variables in addition to make and model.

For instance, I met a British guy in Turkey at a marina who was changing out his batteries. He had 14 years on them. He bought these batteries when he bought his boat, which was a Beneteau coming out of charter in Greece. He sailed to Marmaris Turkey where he lived aboard for 14 years. At least once a year, he would unplug and motor somewhere for the day.

I think that regardless what brand battery you buy, the most you can hope for is 4 years, if you actually are cruising. 

BTW, the absolute worst brand that I bought was Varta  freedom style calcium batteries. I bought 13 in Greece. They started failing 3 months later with internal shorts. They failed one at a time. Had I not supervised them, I had about 8 opportunities for a major problem like Phantom's battery problem. Those 13 batteries were each discarded in 12 months. Johnson Controls UK, the company that manufactures Varta chose to do nothing, telling me to take up the issue with the Greek who also chose to do nothing. At the time that I bought Varta I was told that Varta bought the Delphi Battery plant in France where the original Amel batteries were made. My single experience shouldn't eliminate Varta from your choices, but it does for me. In my experience the best performing batteries have been the original Amel-installed Delphi Freedom batteries and the same battery made by the Delphi licensee in Istanbul, Turkey. Sadly, I do not believe those are available in Turkey anymore, and Delphi France is just a brand made by someone else since the GM liquidation of Delphi. 

Be sure to load test and test for shorts any new batteries when they are delivered. The battery supplier should do this while you watch and should give you a printout for each battery. Or buy the digital battery tester and do it yourself, as I do. Out of 12 delivered, I had 2 batteries fail the internal short test. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster possible tube out of round

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jim,

Possibly the bow thruster hit some object in the water while extended, deforming the tube. You can replace just the tube, if Amel has that part and possibly there is an owner who replaced the entire thruster that may have a tube.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 26, 2016 2:55 PM, "capt.anderson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you everyone for your comments and interest. Here is my bowthruster in-the-water re-installation report: There was a little green slimy growth inside the trunk which I had my diver clean. It wasn’t bad and was not enough to be a problem. No barnacles or crustations. Upon re-installation (with a diver standing by) the shaft jammed at the same place it did on the way down, which is with about 4” of shaft above the interior seal. It was not possible to pull up hard enough to pull the shaft further up.  All it took was a gentle push from the diver below to overcome the resistance and it came up.  The thruster now operates fine however when retracting, at that exact 4” spot you can hear the retraction motor load up slightly for less than one second and you can see an ever-so-slight pause or “hiccup” in the upward movement of the shaft.  During extension the shaft hangs up in the same place on the way down but it is more pronounced. The extension/retraction motor doesn’t load up because the heavy weight of the bowthruster motor is enough to overcome the resistance. (I made a 0:27 low-resolution/small file size video but cannot easily figure out how to upload it here. I will if I can figure out ho to.)  My best guess is that the shaft is out-of-round at the point where it hangs up. For the time being my plan is to only service the bowthruster when the boat is out of the water, and at that time to see if a machine shop can precisely measure the top of the shaft and mill it back to the correct specification then. I will also first consult with Amel and ask for their suggestions and (ugh!) get a quote for an entire new bowthruster trunk assembly. And, I’m open to suggestions!  Since I’m casting off tomorrow for Alaska I will operate as is for now. All the Best to the Group & thanks for your input,

Jim

SM384 Sirena Azul

Seattle


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Compartment Explosion

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Thank you Mark.

In the absence of statistics, one must sometimes go by anecdotal evidence.  We have seen Bill's adverse experience with Varta, for example.

From mid-2011 to early spring 2015, our boat had 13 Deka Group 31 plain flooded truck batteries.  Not even "deep cycle."  Nothing fancy, held their charge very well until the last day.   Never topped the water (!), except on a couple of cells out of the 18 cells that I inspected in early fall 2014... "specific gravity" was great in all 18 of them... but the prospect of periodically inspecting and re-filling 78 cells was utterly overwhelming, so I stopped after three batteries.  We threw them away knowing these were perfectly healthy, well-performing batteries.  I think as a budget option, Deka is a fine battery.

For the last 16 months, we've had Group 31 Trojan AGMs.  No failures so far.   The advantages are that these can't be maintained at all and when empty really work out the chargers –––the bulk charge phase on these is quicker as the AGMs can absorb a lot of electricity quickly, though by the time you reach about 30 amps the absorption speed curve is the same as the flooded batteries (slow).

I've gotten used to glancing at the Mastervolt Easyview on the nav table each time I go by, which must be dozens of times a day, to keep tabs on amps, volts, and temp.  So far, so good, but the system has a major flaw: the temp monitoring is global, not individual to all 13 batteries.  Maybe some day I'll rig a 13-battery temp monitoring station.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350
At anchor, Pampelonne


Re: bow thruster service. Problem

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Jim,
     The outer shaft is composite, carbon fibre I think. Check that your limit switches are aligned properly with the motor. After my last bow thruster service I couldn't get the thruster to retract snugly into the housing.
Also have a close look at the wire rigging for any possible kinks.
The smallest adjustment to the upper limit switch solved it.
Trevor lusty
Ireland


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Keel moving???

Duane Siegfri
 

Out of curiosity I looked it up on the USCG site  and there is a vessel documented with the name "Yashar".  The previous name is Papa II with the hull number 317, so unless there are two SM's named "Yashar", and one is not documented, it appears to be the one.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator wiring Volve D3-110i

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Paul, I will try tonight.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, June 26, 2016 7:15 PM, "sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie, it took me a while to figure out how to upload a phote - here's what I did: in the photos page create a new album, then upload your photo, then click the Post button. Alternatively, go to the Photos page, Albums, open the album "Ya Fohi", then add a photo.
Cheers,
Paul



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem

James Alton
 

Jim,
  How about simply taking a set of calipers and comparing the shaft OD at various locations and orientations?  Isn't the tube composite?  If so and a clamping force (such as a hose clamp) has been left on it for some time it might oblong the shape of the tube...hence the suggestion to take your measurements in varioud orientations.  If you lack a caliper a carefully adjusted crescent wrench can give you a rough idea. Besr. James


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Date: 06-26-2016 3:55 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster service. Problem


 

Thank you everyone for your comments and interest. Here is my bowthruster in-the-water re-installation report: There was a little green slimy growth inside the trunk which I had my diver clean. It wasn’t bad and was not enough to be a problem. No barnacles or crustations. Upon re-installation (with a diver standing by) the shaft jammed at the same place it did on the way down, which is with about 4” of shaft above the interior seal. It was not possible to pull up hard enough to pull the shaft further up.  All it took was a gentle push from the diver below to overcome the resistance and it came up.  The thruster now operates fine however when retracting, at that exact 4” spot you can hear the retraction motor load up slightly for less than one second and you can see an ever-so-slight pause or “hiccup” in the upward movement of the shaft.  During extension the shaft hangs up in the same place on the way down but it is more pronounced. The extension/retraction motor doesn’t load up because the heavy weight of the bowthruster motor is enough to overcome the resistance. (I made a 0:27 low-resolution/small file size video but cannot easily figure out how to upload it here. I will if I can figure out ho to.)  My best guess is that the shaft is out-of-round at the point where it hangs up. For the time being my plan is to only service the bowthruster when the boat is out of the water, and at that time to see if a machine shop can precisely measure the top of the shaft and mill it back to the correct specification then. I will also first consult with Amel and ask for their suggestions and (ugh!) get a quote for an entire new bowthruster trunk assembly. And, I’m open to suggestions!  Since I’m casting off tomorrow for Alaska I will operate as is for now. All the Best to the Group & thanks for your input,

Jim

SM384 Sirena Azul

Seattle