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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Barry,

I had flexi solar on last boat. Short lived. Would not recommend...

I know a 54 owner who installed 4 X 150 through Emek. He may not be a member here but I can perhaps reach his pers email. Will report back. 

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 4 Jul 2016, at 02:17, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jamie,
I read how yours exploded.
When I bought the boat the surveyor Olivier from La Rochelle told me that I needed to change 2 batteries. 
At first I swapped them around and continued to charge them from the dock. I then replaced 2 and continued to charge them. That's when I smelt the gas coming off. i opened the cover and it was like a sauna inside and some of the batteries where too hot to touch. Putting 2 new ones with the old ones upset the battery bank.  I think if I was not on the boat they would have exploded. I caught them in time.
I have been going over everything on the boat and traveling to and from Marseille to UK for the past year, once a month. A good road trip, I used to do Miami to NY visiting kids a few years ago.
On line I found MegaBatteries in UK, they are also in France. I bought them and collected in UK. As I was buying so many I got them for 70 pounds each, they included the stud attachments for free, this enabled me to connect them without buying any adapters.
I wanted to get deep cycle gel batteries and was looking for these when Olivier said to not change anything as the boat was designed as it was and any changes would affect something else on the boat like the chargers. So, I went for the regular and cheapest lead acid and I think I got 115AMh not 105Amh. The size was the same. 
I know this boat very well now and can understand the design concept. I will keep everything as original as possible.
When I was changing the batteries I shorted the Mastervolt 500 inverter, no fuses on the DC cables from original. I was able to fit a larger Mastervolt 2500 inverter, now Penny can use her hair dryer. Upgraded the DC cables for this and fused both pos and neg dc cables. I am thinking of also fusing all the batteries both pos and neg after reading about your explosion.

I have just left Marseille and now giving the battery bank it's first test, so far running the batteries down to about 60% each day and then charging with the generator through the 100 amp charger for 3 hours gets them back to 90%. This is just the first few days so I will be experimenting with the generator run time. 
I want to replace my solar panels, they are old and not doing much, the previous owner fitted them in 2008 for 1,500 euros, I will not spend that much on my upgrade. I built a full bimini cover doing away with the spray hood/dodger. I can fit 4 x 100w flexi solar panels on this and I have an arch where I can put another 2 larger 250w units. I will have 3 sets through 3 controllers. At anchor, midday in full sun - 700w at 24v.
I will soon post the full design and how I made the bimini, took a bit of tweaking .
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54   #17
Sailing French Med.


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:57 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Jamie,

A mate is CEO of a vlarge company and he sponsors an Imoca 60. He says the cost is eye watering. 

Perhaps your eyes don't water as easy as mine?

GL and hope you escape your string of bad luck soon

Jean-Pierre Germain 
Eleuthera SM007



On 4 Jul 2016, at 01:42, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You mean with the Firefly? You might be right. I would assume the Lifelines would be OK though? As you can guess, I do not need any more issues with my batteries.
I am really intrigued by the carbon batteries, but I do not want to be the guinea pig here.
Thanks
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Gary,

The previous owner of my boat installed four 125 Amp Blue Sea fuses on the positive posts of each of the 24 volt battery pairs, so theoretically I can draw 500 amps without blowing a fuse.  In the real world it is highly unlikely that the batteries would load exactly equally at such high draws, so the first fuse failure would come at a lower amp draw than that. 

You could put a fuse on each of the eight positive terminals and get the same result, but I don’t see an advantage to doing so.

On the engine starting battery there is a 300 Amp fuse.  I believe this is the largest terminal mounted fuse that Blue Sea sells.

This system works.  It has never blown, even under heavy normal use, and it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing all my wires are protected in case of a catastrophic short circuit anywhere on the boat.

My batteries are Lifelines, and the clearance works, not sure if the dimensions are the same as yours or not, but drawings are available on the Lifeline website for their Group 31 batteries.

You COULD put a fuse on the main stud in the battery compartment--if you could find a suitable 500 amp fuse.  

There is something else to look at when picking a fuse for that central location.  You need to be sure it will interrupt a current equal to the full short circuit capacity of the entire battery bank.  In a fully charged Amel battery bank that would be somewhere over 4000 Amp.  Fuses with such high DC current interrupt capacity can be rather specialized--and expensive pieces.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 3, 2016, at 18:33, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:


Hi All, 


I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 


Sincerely, 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

In general it is a very, very bad idea to replace one (or two) batteries out of a large bank. With one new battery, charging and discharging become unbalanced, and everything can go bad in a hurry. You can use a bank equalizer, but that adds another level of complexity.

If your chargers can be programed with charge voltages, the firefly’s want an absorption voltage of 28.8 volts, and a float of 26.4 volts. Most modern lines chargers and “smart” alternator controllers can be programmed to do that without a problem.

Where we have problems with something other than flooded lead acid batteries is with the “dumb” alternator on the main engine. They run at 27 volts. That would be fine for absorption phase, if a bit slow, but for long term float those batteries want 26.4 Volts or less. If you run your engine a lot, you will slowly cook them, especially at higher temperatures.

The Firefly technology has a lot of promise, and their performance characteristics are well suited to the way most of use use our boats. But they are not a drop in replacement.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 3, 2016, at 15:57, James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?When you say nearly explode, what happened? s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Jamie,I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. Best Regards
Barry and Penny Connor"Lady Penelope II"Amel 54. #17Sailing French Med.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?Thanks,Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jamie,
I read how yours exploded.
When I bought the boat the surveyor Olivier from La Rochelle told me that I needed to change 2 batteries. 
At first I swapped them around and continued to charge them from the dock. I then replaced 2 and continued to charge them. That's when I smelt the gas coming off. i opened the cover and it was like a sauna inside and some of the batteries where too hot to touch. Putting 2 new ones with the old ones upset the battery bank.  I think if I was not on the boat they would have exploded. I caught them in time.
I have been going over everything on the boat and traveling to and from Marseille to UK for the past year, once a month. A good road trip, I used to do Miami to NY visiting kids a few years ago.
On line I found MegaBatteries in UK, they are also in France. I bought them and collected in UK. As I was buying so many I got them for 70 pounds each, they included the stud attachments for free, this enabled me to connect them without buying any adapters.
I wanted to get deep cycle gel batteries and was looking for these when Olivier said to not change anything as the boat was designed as it was and any changes would affect something else on the boat like the chargers. So, I went for the regular and cheapest lead acid and I think I got 115AMh not 105Amh. The size was the same. 
I know this boat very well now and can understand the design concept. I will keep everything as original as possible.
When I was changing the batteries I shorted the Mastervolt 500 inverter, no fuses on the DC cables from original. I was able to fit a larger Mastervolt 2500 inverter, now Penny can use her hair dryer. Upgraded the DC cables for this and fused both pos and neg dc cables. I am thinking of also fusing all the batteries both pos and neg after reading about your explosion.

I have just left Marseille and now giving the battery bank it's first test, so far running the batteries down to about 60% each day and then charging with the generator through the 100 amp charger for 3 hours gets them back to 90%. This is just the first few days so I will be experimenting with the generator run time. 
I want to replace my solar panels, they are old and not doing much, the previous owner fitted them in 2008 for 1,500 euros, I will not spend that much on my upgrade. I built a full bimini cover doing away with the spray hood/dodger. I can fit 4 x 100w flexi solar panels on this and I have an arch where I can put another 2 larger 250w units. I will have 3 sets through 3 controllers. At anchor, midday in full sun - 700w at 24v.
I will soon post the full design and how I made the bimini, took a bit of tweaking .
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54   #17
Sailing French Med.


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:57 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

You mean with the Firefly? You might be right. I would assume the Lifelines would be OK though? As you can guess, I do not need any more issues with my batteries.
I am really intrigued by the carbon batteries, but I do not want to be the guinea pig here.
Thanks
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Blue Sea Battery Fuses

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All, 


I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 


Sincerely, 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks for the info. I plan to talk with eMarine once the arch is on and I have an idea of the space I can use. They come highly recommended by several people. I did not know about the warranty and will ask. But, I have found if something breaks in the middle of nowhere (which is where it is bound to break) the warranty is useless anyway. Usually the shipping to return the item to the manufacturer for diagnosis and/or repair is often cost prohibitive verses just buying a replacement item.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

 

LG makes a panel that has similar efficiency specifications, and price as the Panasonic N330, slightly smaller in physical size, and hence output.  If you squeezed for space it might be an option.

 

https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

Both LG and Panasonic (and many others!) specifically exclude marine installations from their warranty coverage.  It would be worth a conversation with the retail dealer about that, especially if they are selling specifically to the marine market.  A dealer warranty wouldn’t be as reliable as one from the manufacturer, but it might be better than nothing if you have a problem.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

 

On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:42, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice. 

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

  

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Paul!



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On Sat, 7/2/16, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 11:17 AM


 









Hello AlexandreWe have an Victron MPPT
150/35 for the 450 w on the Arcand 100/30 for the
rail mounted panelsThe controller there are only
one model called MPPT control it's rather new been out
less than a year I believePaul on S/Y Kerpa
SAM#259










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

LG makes a panel that has similar efficiency specifications, and price as the Panasonic N330, slightly smaller in physical size, and hence output.  If you squeezed for space it might be an option.

https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

Both LG and Panasonic (and many others!) specifically exclude marine installations from their warranty coverage.  It would be worth a conversation with the retail dealer about that, especially if they are selling specifically to the marine market.  A dealer warranty wouldn’t be as reliable as one from the manufacturer, but it might be better than nothing if you have a problem.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:42, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice. 

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

  

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill,
Most definitely AMEL 54017.
Have been reading your posts for the past year. Very helpful even though you have a SM.
When are you going to get a 54?
I consider the 54 to be the ultimate. Can not believe how fortunate we were to find AMEL. Looked at so many sloops. This is made like a tank with every detail thought out. I am hands on and know what I am looking at, hope the factory employees don't change too much from Henri Amel's concepts.
Keep the good posts coming. Maybe will meet up some time.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.


On Jul 2, 2016, at 5:20 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

I thought 54 #17 was a different Amel 54.

I know nothing about your boat. 

Continue to have fun!

CW Bill Rouse,
Yacht BeBe hull 387

+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail
Currently Trinidad

On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:27, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>  

>
>  
> Hi Bill,
> We are the third owner bought May 2015.
> First - Peter and Nicole Mills bought Jan 2006 name "Top Gun"
> Second - Pierre Brenet bought Aug 2007 name "Diablo Citron II"
> We think we have a reasonable history of the boat. Anything that anyone can give is appreciated. We know the boat sailed to US in 2006 after delivery, then back to France in 2007 by new owner. Then sailing along French Med and around Corsica. This is what the original chart plotter shows.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Barry and Penelope Connor
> "Lady Penelope II"
> Amel 54   #17
> Sailing French Med.
>
>
> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:06 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
> Barry,
> What was the previous name of your boat?
> Bill Rouse
> BeBe Amel 53 #387
> Sent from my tablet
> +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
> On Jul 2, 2016 7:57 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>

>>  
>> Hi Bill and Steve,
>> Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on, 
>> I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
>> You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Barry and Penny Connor
>> "Lady Penelope II"
>> Amel 54   #17
>> Sailing French Med.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>> All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.
>>
>> Steve Davis
>> Aloha SM 72
>> Grenada
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>  
>>> I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
>>> The new replacement seems to also get hot.
>>> Can anyone advise regarding this?
>>> Have I mixed the 24v wires?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Barry and Penny Connor
>>> "Lady Penelope II'
>>> Amel 54    #17
>>> Sailing French Med
>>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice.

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

 

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

I'll see what I can do on Monday.
Kent


On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:29 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

No I still do not know the size of the bolts.  I heard they are about 8mm.  But I did not realize that there were different sizes on the 2 booms.  It would be great if you could figure out the size or type from a hardware store.

Thanks
Eamonn


Re: Boom track bolts

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

No I still do not know the size of the bolts.  I heard they are about 8mm.  But I did not realize that there were different sizes on the 2 booms.  It would be great if you could figure out the size or type from a hardware store.

Thanks
Eamonn


Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I recharge the electric outboard indirectly from the solar panels, meaning from the boat's AGM batteries.  I have both the 12V charger and the 220V charger.  With an inflatable zodiac dinghy, and 2 persons in it, we purred along at 4 knots.  The daily recharge time was about an hour, but obviously it depends on how low the outboard battery was. 

The Torqeedo can also be directly charged from solar panels, bought from Torqeedo, but that is not worth it with the setup we have on Travel Bug.

Regards
Eamonn

SM #151 Travel Bug