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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks for the info. I plan to talk with eMarine once the arch is on and I have an idea of the space I can use. They come highly recommended by several people. I did not know about the warranty and will ask. But, I have found if something breaks in the middle of nowhere (which is where it is bound to break) the warranty is useless anyway. Usually the shipping to return the item to the manufacturer for diagnosis and/or repair is often cost prohibitive verses just buying a replacement item.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

 

LG makes a panel that has similar efficiency specifications, and price as the Panasonic N330, slightly smaller in physical size, and hence output.  If you squeezed for space it might be an option.

 

https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

Both LG and Panasonic (and many others!) specifically exclude marine installations from their warranty coverage.  It would be worth a conversation with the retail dealer about that, especially if they are selling specifically to the marine market.  A dealer warranty wouldn’t be as reliable as one from the manufacturer, but it might be better than nothing if you have a problem.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

 

On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:42, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice. 

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

  

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Paul!



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/2/16, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 11:17 AM


 









Hello AlexandreWe have an Victron MPPT
150/35 for the 450 w on the Arcand 100/30 for the
rail mounted panelsThe controller there are only
one model called MPPT control it's rather new been out
less than a year I believePaul on S/Y Kerpa
SAM#259










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

LG makes a panel that has similar efficiency specifications, and price as the Panasonic N330, slightly smaller in physical size, and hence output.  If you squeezed for space it might be an option.

https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

Both LG and Panasonic (and many others!) specifically exclude marine installations from their warranty coverage.  It would be worth a conversation with the retail dealer about that, especially if they are selling specifically to the marine market.  A dealer warranty wouldn’t be as reliable as one from the manufacturer, but it might be better than nothing if you have a problem.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:42, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice. 

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

  

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill,
Most definitely AMEL 54017.
Have been reading your posts for the past year. Very helpful even though you have a SM.
When are you going to get a 54?
I consider the 54 to be the ultimate. Can not believe how fortunate we were to find AMEL. Looked at so many sloops. This is made like a tank with every detail thought out. I am hands on and know what I am looking at, hope the factory employees don't change too much from Henri Amel's concepts.
Keep the good posts coming. Maybe will meet up some time.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.


On Jul 2, 2016, at 5:20 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

I thought 54 #17 was a different Amel 54.

I know nothing about your boat. 

Continue to have fun!

CW Bill Rouse,
Yacht BeBe hull 387

+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail
Currently Trinidad

On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:27, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>  

>
>  
> Hi Bill,
> We are the third owner bought May 2015.
> First - Peter and Nicole Mills bought Jan 2006 name "Top Gun"
> Second - Pierre Brenet bought Aug 2007 name "Diablo Citron II"
> We think we have a reasonable history of the boat. Anything that anyone can give is appreciated. We know the boat sailed to US in 2006 after delivery, then back to France in 2007 by new owner. Then sailing along French Med and around Corsica. This is what the original chart plotter shows.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Barry and Penelope Connor
> "Lady Penelope II"
> Amel 54   #17
> Sailing French Med.
>
>
> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:06 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
> Barry,
> What was the previous name of your boat?
> Bill Rouse
> BeBe Amel 53 #387
> Sent from my tablet
> +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
> On Jul 2, 2016 7:57 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>

>>  
>> Hi Bill and Steve,
>> Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on, 
>> I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
>> You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Barry and Penny Connor
>> "Lady Penelope II"
>> Amel 54   #17
>> Sailing French Med.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>> All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.
>>
>> Steve Davis
>> Aloha SM 72
>> Grenada
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>  
>>> I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
>>> The new replacement seems to also get hot.
>>> Can anyone advise regarding this?
>>> Have I mixed the 24v wires?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Barry and Penny Connor
>>> "Lady Penelope II'
>>> Amel 54    #17
>>> Sailing French Med
>>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice.

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

 

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

I'll see what I can do on Monday.
Kent


On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:29 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

No I still do not know the size of the bolts.  I heard they are about 8mm.  But I did not realize that there were different sizes on the 2 booms.  It would be great if you could figure out the size or type from a hardware store.

Thanks
Eamonn


Re: Boom track bolts

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

No I still do not know the size of the bolts.  I heard they are about 8mm.  But I did not realize that there were different sizes on the 2 booms.  It would be great if you could figure out the size or type from a hardware store.

Thanks
Eamonn


Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I recharge the electric outboard indirectly from the solar panels, meaning from the boat's AGM batteries.  I have both the 12V charger and the 220V charger.  With an inflatable zodiac dinghy, and 2 persons in it, we purred along at 4 knots.  The daily recharge time was about an hour, but obviously it depends on how low the outboard battery was. 

The Torqeedo can also be directly charged from solar panels, bought from Torqeedo, but that is not worth it with the setup we have on Travel Bug.

Regards
Eamonn

SM #151 Travel Bug


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Alexandre
We have an Victron MPPT 150/35 for the 450 w on the Arc
and 100/30 for the rail mounted panels
The controller there are only one model called MPPT control it's rather new been out less than a year I believe
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SAM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM re-rigging plus mast painting

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Stefano
Russo is the best in the Med to make your rigging perfect. I liked his proposal. The same price like you and 6 weeks. Unfortunataly I stayed in Turkey and Emek did it for me. My fault; ok; less cheaper but instead of the offerd 3 week it was 3 month and I had to pay the marina fees. I had to adjust my rigg on mayself, because the company made no seatrail. It was subcontracted to a North rep in Göcek ???The two brother Russo are keen Sailer . France Champions on the 470´s 20 years ago; and Amel Hyeres recommend Russo, basta
Good sailing
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 02.07.2016 um 16:35 schrieb Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hallo everybody, my Lady is ready to be re-rigged, I'm in contact in France with Russo yachting. They offer me the full painting of the masts and bomas done as new: sanding priming and 3 hands painting for around, not yet finalized, 26K and 6 weeks of work.
Re-rigging with BSI terminals for around 4000, still waiting a new offer with ACMO as I requested.
I also gave a call in Malta to a rigger who already work for Bill, waiting for his offer.
Now my question is :anybody knows a place in Italy, will be closer for me, where You suggest to ask a price forecast?
Thanks for you time and ciao

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now Cagliari Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barry,

I thought 54 #17 was a different Amel 54.

I know nothing about your boat. 

Continue to have fun!

CW Bill Rouse,
Yacht BeBe hull 387

+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail
Currently Trinidad

On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:27, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>  

>
>  
> Hi Bill,
> We are the third owner bought May 2015.
> First - Peter and Nicole Mills bought Jan 2006 name "Top Gun"
> Second - Pierre Brenet bought Aug 2007 name "Diablo Citron II"
> We think we have a reasonable history of the boat. Anything that anyone can give is appreciated. We know the boat sailed to US in 2006 after delivery, then back to France in 2007 by new owner. Then sailing along French Med and around Corsica. This is what the original chart plotter shows.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Barry and Penelope Connor
> "Lady Penelope II"
> Amel 54   #17
> Sailing French Med.
>
>
> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:06 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
> Barry,
> What was the previous name of your boat?
> Bill Rouse
> BeBe Amel 53 #387
> Sent from my tablet
> +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
> On Jul 2, 2016 7:57 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>

>>  
>> Hi Bill and Steve,
>> Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on, 
>> I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
>> You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Barry and Penny Connor
>> "Lady Penelope II"
>> Amel 54   #17
>> Sailing French Med.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>> All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.
>>
>> Steve Davis
>> Aloha SM 72
>> Grenada
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>  
>>> I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
>>> The new replacement seems to also get hot.
>>> Can anyone advise regarding this?
>>> Have I mixed the 24v wires?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Barry and Penny Connor
>>> "Lady Penelope II'
>>> Amel 54    #17
>>> Sailing French Med
>>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: SM re-rigging plus mast painting

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Stefano,
You don't mention where in Italy you want to be located, but if Monfalcone works for you I would highly recommend Nautec Mare. Their painting is exceptional - we did not have any done but inspected many other boats, They have a large building and paint inside that. We had ACMO ship our new rigging to the marina, and, although we did the installation work ourselves, the yard could easily have done it, if that's what you want.  I think pricing is competitive. The labor force in Monfalcone is excellent as the entire area is about shipbuilding and yachts.
Ciao, Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <cptbiffi@...> wrote :

Hallo everybody, my Lady is ready to be re-rigged, I'm in contact in France with Russo yachting. They offer me the full painting of the masts and bomas done as new: sanding priming and 3 hands painting for around, not yet finalized, 26K and 6 weeks of work.
Re-rigging with BSI terminals for around 4000, still waiting a new offer with ACMO as I requested.
I also gave a call in Malta to a rigger who already work for Bill, waiting for his offer.
Now my question is :anybody knows a place in Italy, will be closer for me, where You suggest to ask a price forecast?
Thanks for you time and ciao

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now Cagliari Italy


Re: Solar panels for SM

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I just replied to a parallel conversation, "Amel Solar panels".  Details are there, but I installed two Panasonic N330 panels (thats 330W each) in April 2016.  Together with a TriStar MPPT 60 controller, they make for an eco friendly boat.  Tons of power.  The N330 are the most compact for the power they provide, when I researched this during in the Spring.

Regards
Eamonn

SM #151 Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the info Eamonn, interesting how you can use your solar panel to recharge your Torqueedo electric outboard!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Sat, 7/2/16, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 9:22 AM


 









Hi

Solar panels: I
did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out
how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted
for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint,
that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W
in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month. 
They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by
side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2
for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed
flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to
install LED lights with an outside switch over the
transom.

The Voc is 69.7
and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons
(eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star
Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the
MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly
more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection
to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4
zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue
to work at full power.

By
the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging
space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover
to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection
from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it
for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the
panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit
breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered,
to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power
transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5
weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by
running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor. 
I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is
also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving
petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+
charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot,
making tea, etc.

Yes I
opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new

turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I
had also
contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs.
Although
Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO. 
However,
within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO
swages.  The
others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that
they will sort
that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM
Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina









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Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Paul,

Could you please tell me which model of Victron Mppt regulators and Victron MPPT Control units you have?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Sat, 7/2/16, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 9:02 AM


 









Barry and Penny!I'm fare from an
expert on solar panelsBut hear is my
thought's so fare.We have three 150 w panels
in serie on the Arc, they are Turkish origin, and so fare we
are very pleased with them. The two on the rail are from
Sunbeam (Germany I believe) light weight panels also in
serie, they give compared with the one on the arc fare less,
they give on average 15% of my total solar energy but
nominal it should give 31 % if everything equal, but they
come more often in the shadow from the mizzen boom, We have
two Victron Mppt regulators, and two Victron MPPT Control
units, and I have the feeling that the MPPT for the rail
panels "reads" what's coming in from the
larger solar system and reduce out puts. I have the same
issue with the two Battery charger I have, if I run them
both when on shore power at the same time the smaller
charger does not contribute after a few minutes. I guess it
could be the same with more than one solar charger,
especially if the charge rate for my batteries are high say
+95%, but that is not a big deal, they looks giving OK when
battery around 90%.Our thoughts was to have two
light weight panels on our Bimin in serie with the rail
panels, but the canvas man told us it's not a good idea,
as they will chafe, "destroy" they shape of the
bimin and that it will collect moist between the panels and
the canvas. So we decided not to put them there, but I'm
considering to put them there anyway, to put chafe
protection, the shape I'm less concerned about, then we
have the issue with moister, but our Bimini is not very
large and to replace it now and then is not a major
cost.Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 en route to
Sicily
 











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