Date   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Battery questions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

Yes, definitely, disconnect failed batteries from the bank. You may have to rearrange the battery compartment to get the failed batteries together.

Your battery monitor will not be accurate because, remember it is programmed for total bank amps...you can reprogram it, but if you are going to replace the bank, I wouldn't recommend it unless you are familiar with its programming.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:05 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Do you think it's necessary (or wise) to disconnect the failed batteries for safety?

I agree that this boat is set up for "wet' batteries.  Is the Freedom style different than the typical marine wet cell battery?

Wishing you and Judy all the best,
Duane



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Thanks for taking the time to respond. Would you know if B&G today is of the same quality that they have been in the past? Would you have any reservations about going totally B&G ?

Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

Yes, B&G isn’t an independent operation any more.  They made great products, and had a great reputation, but were not big enough to keep up with the speed of changes in the field.   Navico today uses the B&G brand to position their products into the sailboat market—especially the racers.  That said, I have been happy with the Navico products, and with their customer support on the only time I needed to use it.

I have used B&G autopilots and radar.  Actually, the radar I used was a Simrad, but the only difference is the decal on the outside.  I really liked the 3G radar.  It was absolutely amazing on very close range, picking my way into a crowded anchorage on a moonless night wasn’t at all a problem. It was very good at distance targets.  Not the best as a weather radar, but did well enough as a squall detector for us in the Pacific.

I had no issue with the B&G autopilot computer after about 10,000 active sea miles.  I very much liked the options for VMG optimization and the ability to steer to either true or apparent wind.  Also, you can use it as in a “power steering mode” bypassing the cables if something should go wrong with your manual steering system.  Way easier than an emergency tiller!

All modern autopilots that I know of use the same control system to the drive train.  A “clutch” relay to activate the drive, and then reversing voltage to drive the motor or pump and position the rudder.  You can match the B&G computer to any manufacturer’s drive that you like.  On my old boat I used a hydraulic unit made by Octopus. Worked well, but the pump was a bit noisy.

As far as I know, Navico makes their own wind instruments, but all the speed and depth transducers come from Airmar, who also supplies Furuno, Garmin, and Raymarine with the exact same units, just with different connectors. Navico also outsources their autopilot drive units.

I think your installer is giving you a story about Furuno being harder to install.  With NMEA2000 networking everybody is pretty much interconnected the same way.  If the Furuno system he’s talking about does NOT use NMEA2000, I wouldn’t have it.  Too proprietary.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:13, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.

Thanks much,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats.  Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.

I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment.  To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.

It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality.  Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. 

I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.

Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers.  Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that.  Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers.  For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.

It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles.  Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units.  Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer.  I am sure that will change again in a year or two.

Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select.  The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.






I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans # 123







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

Aldo Roldan
 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ




Re: Mizzen Traveler

Gary Wells
 

Yes, I have seen it and took some pictures. It was a very nice handling of the project.  I will try to reach deep and find those pictures and upload them.  ... somewhere :)

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Gibraltar


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Bill,

If you place the dinghy in the lazarette,  you don’t carry a sea drogue?  We have a Jordan and to keep it available means having it atop the “paraphernalia” residing in this place…

Regarding Yamaha 2 ST’s… I was lucky to find a 3 year old new 15HP in the UK.  (Man bought it, stored it in his garage and died 3 days later… was held up in the succession.  Had never run!) I purchased the RIB following its purchase and had to go with a 9.5UL from AB to get the 15 HP rating.  Boat is French flagged and is A Cat… meaning everything has to be “kosher”.

I will you my 15 HP if I precede you to Davey Jones locker… :-)

Cheers from sweltering Majorca.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:24, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I wanted to update people on what we found following up on our original question for a RIB dinghy that would fit in the lazzerette.


Mark from Creampuff suggested we look into folding RIBs.  That turned out to be the perfect suggestion (Thanks Mark!  If we cross paths that earned you a free beer!)  He was right about there being very few options on the market in the USA, but we only needed one—which we found.

West Marine has a spotty (at best) reputation for dinghy construction, so it was with some trepidation that we traveled a long distance to the nearest store that had their 10.6 folding RIB in stock. I really liked the design.  The construction quality was reasonable, although some of the details are spotty.  But the price was very good, especially because they had a previous model year in stock.

Things I like:  
  • The price.  By the time Karen got finished negotiating we paid about $1400.
  • It fits in the lazzerette!  It’s a tight fit, but it fits, with the engine in there too!  I never wanted to be that boat that pulls into the harbor and based on the deck clutter everybody thinks “look at the cruisers!”.  Getting the dinghy stowed below decks for passages is a very big plus for me.
  • If you don’t want to put it in the lazzerette, fold it up, put it in its bag, and tie it down between the rails on the aft deck.  Out of the sun and out of the way.
  • It has great performance.  It is rated for an 8HP engine.  We have a venerable 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha that puts it up on plane with both of us onboard, no problem. It is truly a ridged RIB when inflated to full pressure. (As an aside, that 9 year old Yamaha will have to be torn from my cold dead hands! It is an awesome machine.)

Things I don’t like:
  • It’s made of PVC fabric. Granted, it is the “good German PVC” but I do not expect it to last as long as a Hypalon dinghy. I’ll be making chaps to keep the sun off.  But given the price, I can’t complain too much.
  • Some of the details of manufacture were weak.  The inflation pump didn’t work (West Marine replaced it no questions asked).  Some glue stains were where they shouldn’t have been.  Little things like that.

Time will tell if it was a good idea, but we like it so far!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Try doing a Google search for “Folding RIB”. This will give you some options but very few in the USA.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

  

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but it's worth asking the group...

Has anybody found a rigid hull inflatable dinghy that when deflated/disassembled fits a Super Maramu's aft deck locker?

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

 





Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Mizzen Traveler

greatketch@...
 

Has anyone rigged the mizzen traveler on a SM to be adjustable from the cockpit? If so... how?


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highands, NJ

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I wanted to update people on what we found following up on our original question for a RIB dinghy that would fit in the lazzerette.

Mark from Creampuff suggested we look into folding RIBs.  That turned out to be the perfect suggestion (Thanks Mark!  If we cross paths that earned you a free beer!)  He was right about there being very few options on the market in the USA, but we only needed one—which we found.

West Marine has a spotty (at best) reputation for dinghy construction, so it was with some trepidation that we traveled a long distance to the nearest store that had their 10.6 folding RIB in stock. I really liked the design.  The construction quality was reasonable, although some of the details are spotty.  But the price was very good, especially because they had a previous model year in stock.

Things I like:  
  • The price.  By the time Karen got finished negotiating we paid about $1400.
  • It fits in the lazzerette!  It’s a tight fit, but it fits, with the engine in there too!  I never wanted to be that boat that pulls into the harbor and based on the deck clutter everybody thinks “look at the cruisers!”.  Getting the dinghy stowed below decks for passages is a very big plus for me.
  • If you don’t want to put it in the lazzerette, fold it up, put it in its bag, and tie it down between the rails on the aft deck.  Out of the sun and out of the way.
  • It has great performance.  It is rated for an 8HP engine.  We have a venerable 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha that puts it up on plane with both of us onboard, no problem. It is truly a ridged RIB when inflated to full pressure. (As an aside, that 9 year old Yamaha will have to be torn from my cold dead hands! It is an awesome machine.)

Things I don’t like:
  • It’s made of PVC fabric. Granted, it is the “good German PVC” but I do not expect it to last as long as a Hypalon dinghy. I’ll be making chaps to keep the sun off.  But given the price, I can’t complain too much.
  • Some of the details of manufacture were weak.  The inflation pump didn’t work (West Marine replaced it no questions asked).  Some glue stains were where they shouldn’t have been.  Little things like that.

Time will tell if it was a good idea, but we like it so far!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Try doing a Google search for “Folding RIB”. This will give you some options but very few in the USA.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

  

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but it's worth asking the group...

Has anybody found a rigid hull inflatable dinghy that when deflated/disassembled fits a Super Maramu's aft deck locker?

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

 




Re: Battery questions

Duane Siegfri
 

Peregrinus,

On the battery itself it listed:

Float: 13.5 to 13.8V
Absorb 14.25 to 14.4V

which corresponds closely to the 7 page (very synoptic) Dolphin manual I have from the previous owner which has a setting for Gel Batteries of 

Float 27.2V  
Absorb 28.4V

so it seems to correspond pretty well.  However, I'm not sure how to switch the Dolphin back to the wet cell settings.

Best regards,
Duane


Re: Battery questions

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Do you think it's necessary (or wise) to disconnect the failed batteries for safety?

I agree that this boat is set up for "wet' batteries.  Is the Freedom style different than the typical marine wet cell battery?

Wishing you and Judy all the best,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Bill.  Not knowing was frustrating 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It is supposed to be there.  The Amel badge on the port side covers the ventilation intake for the engine room.  Your unknown orifice is there to drain any water that makes it way up and under the logo badge.  Functionally the same as the drain holes in the bottom of a Dorade box on a traditional yacht.



Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:45, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Just to be clear it is OUTSIDE the cockpit on the super structure facing port about 1.5 inches above the  deck.    As I mentioned earlier it is directly below the letter "L" in they Amel logo

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:30 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gentlemen,

As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me.  The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit.  It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour.    Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose?  Not sure.  Can anyone enlighten me?  



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

It is supposed to be there.  The Amel badge on the port side covers the ventilation intake for the engine room.  Your unknown orifice is there to drain any water that makes it way up and under the logo badge.  Functionally the same as the drain holes in the bottom of a Dorade box on a traditional yacht.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:45, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Just to be clear it is OUTSIDE the cockpit on the super structure facing port about 1.5 inches above the  deck.    As I mentioned earlier it is directly below the letter "L" in they Amel logo

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:30 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gentlemen,

As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me.  The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit.  It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour.    Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose?  Not sure.  Can anyone enlighten me?  



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Pat,

Yes, B&G isn’t an independent operation any more.  They made great products, and had a great reputation, but were not big enough to keep up with the speed of changes in the field.   Navico today uses the B&G brand to position their products into the sailboat market—especially the racers.  That said, I have been happy with the Navico products, and with their customer support on the only time I needed to use it.

I have used B&G autopilots and radar.  Actually, the radar I used was a Simrad, but the only difference is the decal on the outside.  I really liked the 3G radar.  It was absolutely amazing on very close range, picking my way into a crowded anchorage on a moonless night wasn’t at all a problem. It was very good at distance targets.  Not the best as a weather radar, but did well enough as a squall detector for us in the Pacific.

I had no issue with the B&G autopilot computer after about 10,000 active sea miles.  I very much liked the options for VMG optimization and the ability to steer to either true or apparent wind.  Also, you can use it as in a “power steering mode” bypassing the cables if something should go wrong with your manual steering system.  Way easier than an emergency tiller!

All modern autopilots that I know of use the same control system to the drive train.  A “clutch” relay to activate the drive, and then reversing voltage to drive the motor or pump and position the rudder.  You can match the B&G computer to any manufacturer’s drive that you like.  On my old boat I used a hydraulic unit made by Octopus. Worked well, but the pump was a bit noisy.

As far as I know, Navico makes their own wind instruments, but all the speed and depth transducers come from Airmar, who also supplies Furuno, Garmin, and Raymarine with the exact same units, just with different connectors. Navico also outsources their autopilot drive units.

I think your installer is giving you a story about Furuno being harder to install.  With NMEA2000 networking everybody is pretty much interconnected the same way.  If the Furuno system he’s talking about does NOT use NMEA2000, I wouldn’t have it.  Too proprietary.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:13, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.

Thanks much,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats.  Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.

I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment.  To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.

It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality.  Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. 

I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.

Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers.  Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that.  Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers.  For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.

It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles.  Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units.  Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer.  I am sure that will change again in a year or two.

Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select.  The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.






I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans # 123







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Sloop

karkauai
 

There is an older Amel in Cuacao that i'm told is for sale.  Supposedly owned by a German.  At anchor in Spanish Water.  Sorry, I don't know what model she is.  I don't see anything on the internet about it.  Anyone know anything about Nirvana?
Kent


On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:43 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We saw Zanareva (from our dinghy) in the Solomons in 2014, and assumed from afar it was a Santorin sloop, only to be shocked upon seeing the non-Amel rigging on it.  We assumed the poor thing had undergone a dismasting at some point.


Nonetheless, the boat looked far from badly maintained at that time.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Le Grazie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Just to be clear it is OUTSIDE the cockpit on the super structure facing port about 1.5 inches above the  deck.    As I mentioned earlier it is directly below the letter "L" in they Amel logo

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:30 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gentlemen,

As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me.  The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit.  It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour.    Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose?  Not sure.  Can anyone enlighten me?  



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347



Re: Amel Sloop

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

We saw Zanareva (from our dinghy) in the Solomons in 2014, and assumed from afar it was a Santorin sloop, only to be shocked upon seeing the non-Amel rigging on it.  We assumed the poor thing had undergone a dismasting at some point.

Nonetheless, the boat looked far from badly maintained at that time.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Le Grazie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original instruments

Warren Traill
 

Hi John. Would it be ok to come up and see you again to go over your autopilot installation?

Cheers,

Warren and Zetta

Manon2

Sharki #15

0421282481



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original instruments





Pat,



Furono used to be leaders in radar and sounders and are still very good butmore commercially focused these days and for recreational use others have caught up. Navico (B&G, Lowrance and Simrad) vs Raymarine is really the main choice and it's down to personal preference.



Pluses for Navico are the 4G radar and the autopilots are good. (I believe Navico took over Robertson quite a while ago so that's their heritage.) B&G radar and autopilot computer are identical to Simrad.



I don't think Navico do a rotary autopilot drive though so Raymarine might win there, although a Navico computer and control head should easily operate a Raymarine drive. Raymarine also has an arrangement with Apple making it easy to use wifi to use an ipad as a plotter repeater if you have a Raymarine plotter, although I think Navico can do that with an extra item.



You should be abl e to convert to an N2K backbone to integrate B&G (or Simrad) with Raymarine but linking Simnet and SeatalkNG needs adaptors and thought. Although some information appears to be sharable between brands it may not all be, so it 's a bit of a minefield, such as getting the autopilot of one company to steer to the wind instrument of another company, or steer a route from another brand's plotter.



If I was in your position I would probably go with all B&G as your mechanic suggests, unless the autopilot drive was a determining factor, but it is like choosing a brand of car you like, each has their fans,



John, Maramu 91, Popeye (Furono radar, Raymarine St60 instuments, Simrad autopilot, Lowrance plotter)





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Unknown orafice

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Gentlemen,

As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me.  The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit.  It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour.    Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose?  Not sure.  Can anyone enlighten me?  



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347



Re: Original instruments

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

SM2K N. 350 (2002) came from the factory with:

Icom --- SSB
Furuno -radar/plotter/GPS/RD-30 multi-instrument at the nav station/VHF
Raymarine -100% of instruments on deck, including autopilot controller
Raytheon (Raymarine) autopilot computer and two Raymarine drives (rotary and piston)

In 2013, we replaced it all with B&G, except the following which stayed

Icom SSB stayed
Furuno RD-30 multi-instrument stayed at nav station (shows the B&G sensor data)
Raytheon (Raymarine) autopilot and drives stayed

Plus, we added B&G autopilot and autopilot controller, AIS, and we now have two B&G chart plotter displays on deck and B&G chart plotter display at the nav station.

If you have two autopilot computers (as we do), you absolutely need a rotary switch, identical to the factory Amel rotary switch for the two drives, to prevent both computers from trying to operate the drives at the same time.  Works seamlessly.

B&G lets you have a full display of the chart plotters on your iPad.  Works perfectly, just as if you were in front of the chart plotter itself, except the autopilot command functionality is disabled (it will still display autopilot status, but won't obey autopilot commands from the iPad).

B&G lets you engage the B&G autopilot from any B&G Triton instrument display or from the chartplotters.  Spend the extra $150 or so and get a dedicated autopilot controller keypad anyway... rubber buttons are so much nicer than virtual buttons shown on a screen.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
La Spezia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.

Thanks much,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats.  Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.

I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment.  To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.

It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality.  Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. 

I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.

Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers.  Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that.  Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers.  For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.

It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles.  Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units.  Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer.  I am sure that will change again in a year or two.

Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select.  The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.






I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans # 123





Re: Battery questions

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

If one downloads the Mastervolt manual for their 85A gel battery, it specifies 13.8V float (≈27.6V in series).

At first blush, the Dolphin charger, if it floats at 27.2V, might not be compatible with Mastervolt gel batteries.


Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Le Grazie