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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Aruba is also a good hurricane avoidance spot.  However, the port in Oranjestaaad is pretty awful.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:54, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

ConsiderTrinidad or Bonaire, or Curacao.  They are South of the Hurricane belt.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In the market for a late model SM 2000

Paul Stascavage
 

Thank you for the warm welcome Bill.

I received that same advice a while back and have acted on it.  I have met Joel and he is actively looking for me.  I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Joel.  I have been very impressed with his knowledge of the Amels and his character.

I put this post out there as I have come to realize that sometime, some really good boats don’t ever make into his stables.  Some deals get done on the golf course.  Hence, I’m trying to cover all my bases.

Thanks again for the warm welcome I look forward to getting to know many of you in the future.

Paul Stascavage
SM# ???
Connecticut


On Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:47 AM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Paul,

Welcome, and good luck with your search.  

I will give you the same excellent advice I got from the people here when I was in your shoes. If you are considering a boat located in North America you should contact Joel Potter (jfpottercyc (at) att (dot) net)  He is a broker who specializes in Amels and is an honest and straightforward guy. He is picky about which boat he lists. He’ll steer you to a boat that will meet your needs, and is a font of knowledge about Amels in general and also about individual boats and their histories.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:31, Paul pstas2003@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I have joined this group for the sole purpose of eventually becoming a real member.  I am an Amel Yacht Owner Wanabe.  

I am in the market for a late model SM 2000 (preferably 2003-2005 but will consider 2000+)  Should any of you know someone who is even talking about plans to swallow the anchor, even if it’s a year or more in the future, please let me know about it.  I would be most appreciative.

Paul




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In the market for a late model SM 2000

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Paul,

Welcome, and good luck with your search.  

I will give you the same excellent advice I got from the people here when I was in your shoes. If you are considering a boat located in North America you should contact Joel Potter (jfpottercyc (at) att (dot) net)  He is a broker who specializes in Amels and is an honest and straightforward guy. He is picky about which boat he lists. He’ll steer you to a boat that will meet your needs, and is a font of knowledge about Amels in general and also about individual boats and their histories.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:31, Paul pstas2003@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I have joined this group for the sole purpose of eventually becoming a real member.  I am an Amel Yacht Owner Wanabe.  

I am in the market for a late model SM 2000 (preferably 2003-2005 but will consider 2000+)  Should any of you know someone who is even talking about plans to swallow the anchor, even if it’s a year or more in the future, please let me know about it.  I would be most appreciative.

Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Race?  Never for me!  

I’d completely agree it’s not worth the money or install time if I only sailed long, downwind passages.  However, in coastal cruising and day sailing (both of which I do a lot of) I find myself on the aft deck quite a bit shoving the mizzen traveller around.  It’s awkward, not the safest arrangement, and in any kind of breeze my partner struggles with it, she’s just not big enough.  

I am probably a bit more anal about sailtrim than many cruisers.  My old ketch did not have a traveller for the mizzen, and I find having one really makes the sail a lot more useful.  For that reason I am reluctant to just park the traveller amidships and trim with the sheet alone. 

For me, one of the glories of sailing a ketch is getting her “in the groove”--perfectly balanced so she steers herself without the help of the autopilot.  When I am sailing on a reach having delicate mizzen trim is really a help for this.

With many manufacturer’s traveller line control systems there is no need to drill holes in the deck, they actually attach to the track. 


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 08:01, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill,

As you may suspect, I will tell you do not do this unless you plan to race the boat. 

It just is not worth it for downwind passage making. In most cases, you will set the traveler on a passage and not touch it again. And, why would you want to drill holes in the aft coach roof to do this?

However, if you want photos, go here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1137563012

You will also note that this owner (now deceased) removed one of the best cockpit features which is the helm seat. I think the new owner reversed this.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:40 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Yes, I have seen it and took some pictures. It was a very nice handling of the project.  I will try to reach deep and find those pictures and upload them.  ... somewhere :) 

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Gibraltar




In the market for a late model SM 2000

Paul Stascavage
 

I have joined this group for the sole purpose of eventually becoming a real member.  I am an Amel Yacht Owner Wanabe. 

I am in the market for a late model SM 2000 (preferably 2003-2005 but will consider 2000+)  Should any of you know someone who is even talking about plans to swallow the anchor, even if it’s a year or more in the future, please let me know about it.  I would be most appreciative.

Paul

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Aldo,

The ABC's are relatively safe...but 

In 2007 we had to run from Bonaire to ChiChiRiviche, VZ because of Hurricane Dean, then a month later the eye of Hurricane Felix missed us by 30 miles in Curacao.

The ABC's are considered safe from hurricanes, but i would not leave my boat unattended during hurricane season. 

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

ConsiderTrinidad or Bonaire, or Curacao.  They are South of the Hurricane belt.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ






Re: Original instruments

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Pat,
Other replies have given you good input on B&G, which I think is still great. Your "ton of money" quote from your mechanic is interesting. I got a $64,000 quote. It included about $14,000 of equipment and the rest was labor. Believe me, this stuff is not rocket science, installation is easy plug and play and if you run the wires and install the units yourself you'll know where to look for future troubleshooting. B&G has excellent free tech support and can talk you through any issues you may encounter. Then again, I'm a DIY guy and hate to pay $100 an hour to mechanics.  (I did have one come out after I did the installation to "bless it" so I could get an extra year of warranty - he had good generic knowledge, but had to call B&G support to find out how to set parameters.)

If you do go B&G, their WR10 handheld Bluetooth remote Autopilot Controller is super and let's you move around the boat while still being able to steer. If you'd like more details about what my system looks like, send a pm. And if you want a real expert, go to Francesco on Perigrinus!

Cheers,
Craig, SN#68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .


Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans # 123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

karkauai
 

ConsiderTrinidad or Bonaire, or Curacao.  They are South of the Hurricane belt.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill K,

 

Keep the beer on ice for me!!! Although, I must say I would never knowingly endorse West Marine or as I refer to them: Worst Marine.

 

We just purchased a new Highfield CL310. We looked long and hard at the folding RIBs but other than WM couldn’t find a distributor in the USA. I couldn’t bring myself to buy a WM boat. But, I hope it works out for you. However, if we could have found a distributor, the FRIB would have been our first choice. We were writing to a FRIB distributor in the UK and toiled with the idea of shipping to the USA but in the end decided against it. I wouldn’t worry about PVC. It has come a long way in UV protection in the last few years. Many PVC dinghy manufactures warranty their models for the same time as Hypalon. And besides, the PVC is so much less expensive. The decision to replace the worn out PVC dinghy is much easier to make.

 

We have the same 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha as you. Awesome engine! Easy to lift and plenty of power.

 

We added an arch with davits for the solar panel this year. We will lift the dink onto the davits when on the hook (which is most of the time). We will sail with it lashed to the aft cabin top. When in a marina, it will be stowed upside-down on the foredeck. Yes, we are starting to look like cruisers J

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

I wanted to update people on what we found following up on our original question for a RIB dinghy that would fit in the lazzerette.

 

Mark from Creampuff suggested we look into folding RIBs.  That turned out to be the perfect suggestion (Thanks Mark!  If we cross paths that earned you a free beer!)  He was right about there being very few options on the market in the USA, but we only needed one—which we found.

 

West Marine has a spotty (at best) reputation for dinghy construction, so it was with some trepidation that we traveled a long distance to the nearest store that had their 10.6 folding RIB in stock. I really liked the design.  The construction quality was reasonable, although some of the details are spotty.  But the price was very good, especially because they had a previous model year in stock.

 

Things I like:  

  • The price.  By the time Karen got finished negotiating we paid about $1400.
  • It fits in the lazzerette!  It’s a tight fit, but it fits, with the engine in there too!  I never wanted to be that boat that pulls into the harbor and based on the deck clutter everybody thinks “look at the cruisers!”.  Getting the dinghy stowed below decks for passages is a very big plus for me.
  • If you don’t want to put it in the lazzerette, fold it up, put it in its bag, and tie it down between the rails on the aft deck.  Out of the sun and out of the way.
  • It has great performance.  It is rated for an 8HP engine.  We have a venerable 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha that puts it up on plane with both of us onboard, no problem. It is truly a ridged RIB when inflated to full pressure. (As an aside, that 9 year old Yamaha will have to be torn from my cold dead hands! It is an awesome machine.)

 

Things I don’t like:

  • It’s made of PVC fabric. Granted, it is the “good German PVC” but I do not expect it to last as long as a Hypalon dinghy. I’ll be making chaps to keep the sun off.  But given the price, I can’t complain too much.
  • Some of the details of manufacture were weak.  The inflation pump didn’t work (West Marine replaced it no questions asked).  Some glue stains were where they shouldn’t have been.  Little things like that.

 

Time will tell if it was a good idea, but we like it so far!

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

“Ships and men rot in port."

 

 

 

 

On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Try doing a Google search for “Folding RIB”. This will give you some options but very few in the USA.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

  

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but it's worth asking the group...

Has anybody found a rigid hull inflatable dinghy that when deflated/disassembled fits a Super Maramu's aft deck locker?

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

In my opinion, Le Marin Martinique is the best place in the Caribbean to have a year round slip...the cost including electricity will be around 500 euros/month. On a month to month basis it is 575 euros including electricity. BTW, if you live aboard in Grenada you will pay close to $900USD per month just for electricity because the cost is about $0.65/KwH.

Le Marin will be lonely during Hurricane Season and there is a risk of a hurricane there.

Crews Inn in Trinidad has low cost electricity at about $0.13 USD/KwH.

Since electricity is a major expense for AC in the Caribbean, be sure to check the price.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mizzen Traveler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

As you may suspect, I will tell you do not do this unless you plan to race the boat.

It just is not worth it for downwind passage making. In most cases, you will set the traveler on a passage and not touch it again. And, why would you want to drill holes in the aft coach roof to do this?

However, if you want photos, go here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1137563012

You will also note that this owner (now deceased) removed one of the best cockpit features which is the helm seat. I think the new owner reversed this.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:40 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Yes, I have seen it and took some pictures. It was a very nice handling of the project.  I will try to reach deep and find those pictures and upload them.  ... somewhere :)

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Gibraltar


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Patrick, I replaced my 4 analog B&G gauges with the new Tritons. They are fantastic. I also replaced the H2000 with the new H5000. My local electrical expert I work with loves B&G products, and I think that is why Amel selected them. I know they are now the same as Simrad.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:26 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill, Thanks for taking the time to respond. Would you know if B&G today is of the same quality that they have been in the past? Would you have any reservations about going totally B&G ?

Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

Yes, B&G isn’t an independent operation any more.  They made great products, and had a great reputation, but were not big enough to keep up with the speed of changes in the field.   Navico today uses the B&G brand to position their products into the sailboat market—especially the racers.  That said, I have been happy with the Navico products, and with their customer support on the only time I needed to use it.

I have used B&G autopilots and radar.  Actually, the radar I used was a Simrad, but the only difference is the decal on the outside.  I really liked the 3G radar.  It was absolutely amazing on very close range, picking my way into a crowded anchorage on a moonless night wasn’t at all a problem. It was very good at distance targets.  Not the best as a weather radar, but did well enough as a squall detector for us in the Pacific.

I had no issue with the B&G autopilot computer after about 10,000 active sea miles.  I very much liked the options for VMG optimization and the ability to steer to either true or apparent wind.  Also, you can use it as in a “power steering mode” bypassing the cables if something should go wrong with your manual steering system.  Way easier than an emergency tiller!

All modern autopilots that I know of use the same control system to the drive train.  A “clutch” relay to activate the drive, and then reversing voltage to drive the motor or pump and position the rudder.  You can match the B&G computer to any manufacturer’s drive that you like.  On my old boat I used a hydraulic unit made by Octopus. Worked well, but the pump was a bit noisy.

As far as I know, Navico makes their own wind instruments, but all the speed and depth transducers come from Airmar, who also supplies Furuno, Garmin, and Raymarine with the exact same units, just with different connectors. Navico also outsources their autopilot drive units.

I think your installer is giving you a story about Furuno being harder to install.  With NMEA2000 networking everybody is pretty much interconnected the same way.  If the Furuno system he’s talking about does NOT use NMEA2000, I wouldn’t have it.  Too proprietary.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:13, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.

Thanks much,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats.  Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.

I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment.  To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.

It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality.  Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. 

I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.

Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers.  Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that.  Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers.  For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.

It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles.  Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units.  Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer.  I am sure that will change again in a year or two.

Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select.  The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.






I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans # 123








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

You just had an Amel moment. I had Amel moments for probably 6 years after we bought BeBe. In many cases these moments end with a smile because you soon realize that only Captain Amel would take the time and effort to do many of these things.

Congratulations on your moment. BTW, I never had a Beneteau moment...at least one that was pleasant.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill.  Not knowing was frustrating 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It is supposed to be there.  The Amel badge on the port side covers the ventilation intake for the engine room.  Your unknown orifice is there to drain any water that makes it way up and under the logo badge.  Functionally the same as the drain holes in the bottom of a Dorade box on a traditional yacht.



Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:45, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Just to be clear it is OUTSIDE the cockpit on the super structure facing port about 1.5 inches above the  deck.    As I mentioned earlier it is directly below the letter "L" in they Amel logo

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:30 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gentlemen,

As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me.  The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit.  It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour.    Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose?  Not sure.  Can anyone enlighten me?  



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Battery questions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

Yes, definitely, disconnect failed batteries from the bank. You may have to rearrange the battery compartment to get the failed batteries together.

Your battery monitor will not be accurate because, remember it is programmed for total bank amps...you can reprogram it, but if you are going to replace the bank, I wouldn't recommend it unless you are familiar with its programming.

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:05 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Do you think it's necessary (or wise) to disconnect the failed batteries for safety?

I agree that this boat is set up for "wet' batteries.  Is the Freedom style different than the typical marine wet cell battery?

Wishing you and Judy all the best,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Thanks for taking the time to respond. Would you know if B&G today is of the same quality that they have been in the past? Would you have any reservations about going totally B&G ?

Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

Yes, B&G isn’t an independent operation any more.  They made great products, and had a great reputation, but were not big enough to keep up with the speed of changes in the field.   Navico today uses the B&G brand to position their products into the sailboat market—especially the racers.  That said, I have been happy with the Navico products, and with their customer support on the only time I needed to use it.

I have used B&G autopilots and radar.  Actually, the radar I used was a Simrad, but the only difference is the decal on the outside.  I really liked the 3G radar.  It was absolutely amazing on very close range, picking my way into a crowded anchorage on a moonless night wasn’t at all a problem. It was very good at distance targets.  Not the best as a weather radar, but did well enough as a squall detector for us in the Pacific.

I had no issue with the B&G autopilot computer after about 10,000 active sea miles.  I very much liked the options for VMG optimization and the ability to steer to either true or apparent wind.  Also, you can use it as in a “power steering mode” bypassing the cables if something should go wrong with your manual steering system.  Way easier than an emergency tiller!

All modern autopilots that I know of use the same control system to the drive train.  A “clutch” relay to activate the drive, and then reversing voltage to drive the motor or pump and position the rudder.  You can match the B&G computer to any manufacturer’s drive that you like.  On my old boat I used a hydraulic unit made by Octopus. Worked well, but the pump was a bit noisy.

As far as I know, Navico makes their own wind instruments, but all the speed and depth transducers come from Airmar, who also supplies Furuno, Garmin, and Raymarine with the exact same units, just with different connectors. Navico also outsources their autopilot drive units.

I think your installer is giving you a story about Furuno being harder to install.  With NMEA2000 networking everybody is pretty much interconnected the same way.  If the Furuno system he’s talking about does NOT use NMEA2000, I wouldn’t have it.  Too proprietary.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 20, 2016, at 18:13, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.

Thanks much,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments

 
Pat,

I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats.  Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.

I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment.  To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.

It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality.  Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. 

I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.

Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers.  Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that.  Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers.  For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.

It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles.  Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units.  Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer.  I am sure that will change again in a year or two.

Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select.  The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.






I will be replacing all of my instruments. The mechanic doing the work ,Its a ton of moneysuggest I go with B&G as opposed to Furuno chartplotters and raymarine instruments that I have now. I know the Amels came with B&G instruments , but did they also come with B&G chartplotters and radar ? What autopilot ? I think B&G was sold , are they still a quality instrument ? Its a ton of money and I want to make the right choices. I guess it makes it easier to integrate if everything is one brand. Go all Furuno or all B&G , any thoughts .

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans # 123






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

Aldo Roldan
 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ



On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone a clever idea about how to tweak the leech line tension while underway?

On the battenless roller furling sail the adjustment of the tension in the leech line seems much more of an issue than on a battened sail, yet reaching the clew of the mainsail borders on treacherous when the wind picks up and we're sailing close hauled.

On my old boat the i lead the leech line over a small cheek block at the head of the sail, and down the luff so I could adjust it at the mast.  Clever, but obviously not an option for a roller furled sail.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ



Re: Mizzen Traveler

Gary Wells
 

Yes, I have seen it and took some pictures. It was a very nice handling of the project.  I will try to reach deep and find those pictures and upload them.  ... somewhere :)

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Gibraltar

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Bill,

If you place the dinghy in the lazarette,  you don’t carry a sea drogue?  We have a Jordan and to keep it available means having it atop the “paraphernalia” residing in this place…

Regarding Yamaha 2 ST’s… I was lucky to find a 3 year old new 15HP in the UK.  (Man bought it, stored it in his garage and died 3 days later… was held up in the succession.  Had never run!) I purchased the RIB following its purchase and had to go with a 9.5UL from AB to get the 15 HP rating.  Boat is French flagged and is A Cat… meaning everything has to be “kosher”.

I will you my 15 HP if I precede you to Davey Jones locker… :-)

Cheers from sweltering Majorca.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:24, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I wanted to update people on what we found following up on our original question for a RIB dinghy that would fit in the lazzerette.


Mark from Creampuff suggested we look into folding RIBs.  That turned out to be the perfect suggestion (Thanks Mark!  If we cross paths that earned you a free beer!)  He was right about there being very few options on the market in the USA, but we only needed one—which we found.

West Marine has a spotty (at best) reputation for dinghy construction, so it was with some trepidation that we traveled a long distance to the nearest store that had their 10.6 folding RIB in stock. I really liked the design.  The construction quality was reasonable, although some of the details are spotty.  But the price was very good, especially because they had a previous model year in stock.

Things I like:  
  • The price.  By the time Karen got finished negotiating we paid about $1400.
  • It fits in the lazzerette!  It’s a tight fit, but it fits, with the engine in there too!  I never wanted to be that boat that pulls into the harbor and based on the deck clutter everybody thinks “look at the cruisers!”.  Getting the dinghy stowed below decks for passages is a very big plus for me.
  • If you don’t want to put it in the lazzerette, fold it up, put it in its bag, and tie it down between the rails on the aft deck.  Out of the sun and out of the way.
  • It has great performance.  It is rated for an 8HP engine.  We have a venerable 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha that puts it up on plane with both of us onboard, no problem. It is truly a ridged RIB when inflated to full pressure. (As an aside, that 9 year old Yamaha will have to be torn from my cold dead hands! It is an awesome machine.)

Things I don’t like:
  • It’s made of PVC fabric. Granted, it is the “good German PVC” but I do not expect it to last as long as a Hypalon dinghy. I’ll be making chaps to keep the sun off.  But given the price, I can’t complain too much.
  • Some of the details of manufacture were weak.  The inflation pump didn’t work (West Marine replaced it no questions asked).  Some glue stains were where they shouldn’t have been.  Little things like that.

Time will tell if it was a good idea, but we like it so far!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Try doing a Google search for “Folding RIB”. This will give you some options but very few in the USA.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

  

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but it's worth asking the group...

Has anybody found a rigid hull inflatable dinghy that when deflated/disassembled fits a Super Maramu's aft deck locker?

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

 





Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...

Mizzen Traveler

greatketch@...
 

Has anyone rigged the mizzen traveler on a SM to be adjustable from the cockpit? If so... how?


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highands, NJ

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I wanted to update people on what we found following up on our original question for a RIB dinghy that would fit in the lazzerette.

Mark from Creampuff suggested we look into folding RIBs.  That turned out to be the perfect suggestion (Thanks Mark!  If we cross paths that earned you a free beer!)  He was right about there being very few options on the market in the USA, but we only needed one—which we found.

West Marine has a spotty (at best) reputation for dinghy construction, so it was with some trepidation that we traveled a long distance to the nearest store that had their 10.6 folding RIB in stock. I really liked the design.  The construction quality was reasonable, although some of the details are spotty.  But the price was very good, especially because they had a previous model year in stock.

Things I like:  
  • The price.  By the time Karen got finished negotiating we paid about $1400.
  • It fits in the lazzerette!  It’s a tight fit, but it fits, with the engine in there too!  I never wanted to be that boat that pulls into the harbor and based on the deck clutter everybody thinks “look at the cruisers!”.  Getting the dinghy stowed below decks for passages is a very big plus for me.
  • If you don’t want to put it in the lazzerette, fold it up, put it in its bag, and tie it down between the rails on the aft deck.  Out of the sun and out of the way.
  • It has great performance.  It is rated for an 8HP engine.  We have a venerable 8HP 2 stroke Yamaha that puts it up on plane with both of us onboard, no problem. It is truly a ridged RIB when inflated to full pressure. (As an aside, that 9 year old Yamaha will have to be torn from my cold dead hands! It is an awesome machine.)

Things I don’t like:
  • It’s made of PVC fabric. Granted, it is the “good German PVC” but I do not expect it to last as long as a Hypalon dinghy. I’ll be making chaps to keep the sun off.  But given the price, I can’t complain too much.
  • Some of the details of manufacture were weak.  The inflation pump didn’t work (West Marine replaced it no questions asked).  Some glue stains were where they shouldn’t have been.  Little things like that.

Time will tell if it was a good idea, but we like it so far!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:52, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Try doing a Google search for “Folding RIB”. This will give you some options but very few in the USA.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

  

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but it's worth asking the group...

Has anybody found a rigid hull inflatable dinghy that when deflated/disassembled fits a Super Maramu's aft deck locker?

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ