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ste.dente
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rollbar stability

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Stefania and Dietmar,

Welcome!  There is much knowledge in this group and you will find answers to most of your questions.

We have an SM with 3 solar panels with 450W total capacity built atop a gantry which forms a davit for dinghy transport. (in light weather)  Our arch is mounted with the front attachments on the aft part of the railing and the rear attachments are attached on the outer beam of the skirt.  Additionally, we have twin cross bars bracing the structure to a reinforced center candle on the base of the deck.  It adds considerable rigidity to the entire structure.  Safe design.

As an opinion, unless your panels are small capacity, you may have added too much weight aloft for the structure to remain stable and rigid.  If this is the case, you could reduce the number of panels to 3 or resort to a bracing system of applicable design.

Other members will be along soon to add to the topic.

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 7 Aug 2016, at 17:29, ste.dente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi guys! We're new in the group and we hope someone could help us.

We've a Santorini; we let doing a rollbar in order to hold 4 solar panels and a wind generator. Aesthetically it's very nice. But if you scroll it, it swings ; the blacksmith says that's the normal steel torsional elasticity. We're afraid it could damage the washboard, because the arch is based on it. We will send also some photos to show you how it works. If some engineer would help us...

Stefania and Dietmar "Euploia"-Santorini 93




Re: Rollbar stability

Dan
 

Haven't seen pics. But common with open fisherman.  Bad design you should add 45 degree legs mounted inwards. Your deck bolts will end up ripping out. My humble ingnorant opinion. 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing oil VP TMD22

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello JP!
We will arrive to Marina bay Gibraltar 14 or 15 of August
Paul S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Rollbar stability

ste.dente
 

Hi guys! We're new in the group and we hope someone could help us.

We've a Santorini; we let doing a rollbar in order to hold 4 solar panels and a wind generator. Aesthetically it's very nice. But if you scroll it, it swings ; the blacksmith says that's the normal steel torsional elasticity. We're afraid it could damage the washboard, because the arch is based on it. We will send also some photos to show you how it works. If some engineer would help us...

Stefania and Dietmar "Euploia"-Santorini 93

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Upgrading all electronics

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Enio,

It sounds like your galvanic isolator is connected correctly. In that case it will not cause nor will it fix this problem.


Not that long ago, Olivier posted an excellent summary of how battery chargers need to be connected, and how they should NOT be connected.  A search of the forum will find that and I think it will be very helpful for you.  

Pay attention to Kent’s warnings, You do not want to duplicate his experience with electrolic corrosion!

I suspect the issue is the battery charger’s internal wiring.  If you follow the testing in Olivier’s posting that will tell you.

Bill

On Aug 7, 2016, at 06:54, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you Bill, now  I'm  tryng  to give you more informations.
I think it depends of my boat because the phenomenon  has been  detected  in 2 different marinas.
Measuring in AC the Volts are 3,10V with  the Battteriy Charger connected and 0.30V with  the Battery C.. off, In DC the  volts are 2.3V with B. C.  connected and 0.8V disconnected.
I think  the guilty is the Battery .C. because, if I exclude it, the phenomenon ends.
The Ground isolator is connected between shore power and general input switch of AC in the boat.

It's mandatory to connect the ground nipple of the carcass of the Battery Charger to the groung system of the boat? The engeneer who installled the new Batteruy Charger  didn't make  that connection, must I do it?

Thanks again for your advices. Good winds.  Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing oil VP TMD22

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Paul,

Sorry to have missed you when you were in Palma… we were only 3 NM away in Portals Nous bay but had poor internet and could not communicate.  We are headed west as well and expect to be in Gib on 12 Sep + or -..  (Booked at Ocean Village Marina)  We expect to leave for Madeira on 18 Sep and spend nearly a month touring the island.  See you on the ATL.

I normally get about 5 liters out of mine, using a Pela vacuum pump of 6 liter capacity.  (Pela Model 650) (don’t get the smaller units as they do not have sufficient volume for our uses) I like the Pela because you can leave it in place overnight with a good vacuum suction and you have nothing other than the (messy) filter removal and replacement in the morning .


Cheers and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 7 Aug 2016, at 15:00, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

When I change oil in my VP TMD 22, I never get out more than ca 4 liter, The manual say 6 liter.

I use the on purpose "fixed" oil change pump, What do I do wrong? or is it similar for you others with the TMD22?

Paul on S/Yn Kerpa SM#259





Changing oil VP TMD22

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

When I change oil in my VP TMD 22, I never get out more than ca 4 liter, The manual say 6 liter.

I use the on purpose "fixed" oil change pump, What do I do wrong? or is it similar for you others with the TMD22?

Paul on S/Yn Kerpa SM#259

Re: Upgrading all electronics

enio rossi
 

Thank you Bill, now  I'm  tryng  to give you more informations.
I think it depends of my boat because the phenomenon  has been  detected  in 2 different marinas.
Measuring in AC the Volts are 3,10V with  the Battteriy Charger connected and 0.30V with  the Battery C.. off, In DC the  volts are 2.3V with B. C.  connected and 0.8V disconnected.
I think  the guilty is the Battery .C. because, if I exclude it, the phenomenon ends.
The Ground isolator is connected between shore power and general input switch of AC in the boat.

It's mandatory to connect the ground nipple of the carcass of the Battery Charger to the groung system of the boat? The engeneer who installled the new Batteruy Charger  didn't make  that connection, must I do it?

Thanks again for your advices. Good winds.  Enio

'81 Mango dinette cushion replacement

ifiddlediddle@...
 

I have a Mango that is in need of a high quality dinette cushion set.  I have had a tough time finding a local source. Does anybody have a good vendor that could potentially do this replacement remotely?  I live in Southern California.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I am assuming what you are seeing is a AC voltage.  If it is DC, then the analysis would be different, starting with faulty wiring cross connecting your DC system with your bonding circuit.

What you describe can be potentially very dangerous for swimmers in the water. http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2013/july/electric-shock-drowning-explained.asp

As a first question…  Are you sure the problem originates with your boat?  It could be from a neighboring boat, or from the wiring in the marina itself.  It is possible in salt water the only time you would feel the shock from some other source is when you touch metal on your boat AND your boat is connected to the marina earth connection.  If from some other boat there is nothing you can do other than move away!

If the voltage does originate on your boat, it comes from a combination of two problems.  First, a ground fault in some piece of equipment leaking current into the bonding circuit combined with a break (or high resistance connection)  in the ground wire somewhere between your boat and the earth connection in the marina.  A potential candidate for the leaking current from inside your boat is the water heater.  If the heating element is beyond it’s service life it can short to the shell, and then to the bonding circuit. If you turn off all electrical appliances at the circuit panel and turn them on one by one you might find a culprit. If you already did this and it is the reason you suspect the battery charger, then you are a step ahead of me!

If you have a ground fault from some piece of AC powered equipment, it will leak voltage into the bonding circuit, where it should travel back to the earth connection at the dock by the ground wire. The galvanic isolator blocks small voltages (typically from DC current leaks) and passes high voltages (safety issues).  Typically, these show a voltage drop of about 1.2 volts or so.  If this is what you are seeing between the water and bonded metal on the boat, your grounding system might be doing what it is supposed to, but you still have a ground fault with something onboard.

The isolator should be connected in line in the ground wire between the shore power connection and any other connections on the boat.  Can you test it as suggested in the manual? 

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Aug 6, 2016, at 05:58, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi all. Our Santorin 122 Earendil, have this problem : electrical shock. When we touch sea wather and metallic parts of the boat we have about 2V of tension. That happens only if the  battery charger is connected to the shore power of the marina.We had substituted the original TECSUP with a Sterling Power Procharge N and  installed a Sterlng galvanic isolator ProSave E but the engineer who did the work  didn't connect  the ground  cable of the ProCharge  to the  bonding system. Can this be the problem? We have not an  electrician disposabe now,  so could anyone give  us help? Thanks and fair winds to all

SN Earendil
actually in Croatian sea


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

karkauai
 

Earendil,
The Sterling charger/inverter is what I had installed on Kristy when I had severe electrolytic damage to my prop shaft.  The grounding wire is connected internally to both the AC and DC systems.  With no ground connection you are at risk of electrocution if the charger fails.  If you connect the ground, and the unit fails, you are at risk of electrolytic damage.  I don't believe that charger is designed for the Amel isolated ground system.

I'm not sure what is going on with your boat now.
How long ago was the Sterling installed?
Is the Voltage leak AC or DC?
Do you have a generator?  If so, does the voltage leak occur when charging with the generator?
Is the Sterling an charger/inverter or just a charger?

Until you get this resolved, do not connect to shore power or use your charger.  Check your zincs ASAP!

Get to an Amel-savvy electrician ASAP!

Kent
SM 243
Kristy




On Aug 6, 2016, at 5:58 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all. Our Santorin 122 Earendil, have this problem : electrical shock. When we touch sea wather and metallic parts of the boat we have about 2V of tension. That happens only if the  battery charger is connected to the shore power of the marina.We had substituted the original TECSUP with a Sterling Power Procharge N and  installed a Sterlng galvanic isolator ProSave E but the engineer who did the work  didn't connect  the ground  cable of the ProCharge  to the  bonding system. Can this be the problem? We have not an  electrician disposabe now,  so could anyone give  us help? Thanks and fair winds to all

SN Earendil
actually in Croatian sea

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

enio rossi
 

Hi all. Our Santorin 122 Earendil, have this problem : electrical shock. When we touch sea wather and metallic parts of the boat we have about 2V of tension. That happens only if the  battery charger is connected to the shore power of the marina.We had substituted the original TECSUP with a Sterling Power Procharge N and  installed a Sterlng galvanic isolator ProSave E but the engineer who did the work  didn't connect  the ground  cable of the ProCharge  to the  bonding system. Can this be the problem? We have not an  electrician disposabe now,  so could anyone give  us help? Thanks and fair winds to all

SN Earendil
actually in Croatian sea

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

I am sure that anyone buying that Lady H does not understand the issues with her.

Bill
Be Be 387

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 6:01 PM, tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Bill, just saw Lady H has a sale pending. Looks like she may have a home. I hope they understand the issues with this boat. I did not see anyone ask any questions on the group.


Any way, i hope you are well and let me know when you are free for lunch or whatever...

thomas

 


Re: BeBe Amel Super Maramu 2003 Model #387

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

We shall miss you too. Your contributions to this group will be remembered for long. Good luck for your next adventures. JP on Galacsea

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

tbjanicki@...
 

Hello Bill, just saw Lady H has a sale pending. Looks like she may have a home. I hope they understand the issues with this boat. I did not see anyone ask any questions on the group.

Any way, i hope you are well and let me know when you are free for lunch or whatever...

thomas

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass power disconnect?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

On my boat the toggle switch turns off both the furler and the windlass. Even though it is labeled "Guindeau".  Maybe it was wired the day before the factory's summer vacation?

On Aug 3, 2016, at 00:08, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There is a toggle switch in the forward cabin, port cabinet which has the circuit breaker and a toggle switch to turn off the windlass.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass power disconnect?

 

 

Is there a way to remove electrical power from the anchor windlass on an SM without also disconnecting the jib furler? 

 

I always considered it good seamanship to depower a windlass when underway to avoid any chance of accidental activation.  I know of at least one boat who had a switch short circuit after taking a wave over the bow in rough weather, and the running windlass did all kinds of damage before they could get it shut down.

 

I know that loosening the clutch on the gypsy will avoid the most serious issues, but still an electrical disconnect just seems like a good idea.

 

Anybody have a switch fail closed on the anchor windlass system?  If so, how did you stop it?

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

“Ships and men rot in port."

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Re: Hauling out using lifting u-bolts

Ian Park
 

We have lifted our Santorin this way. We carry four 6 ton shackles that fit the holes. No need to remove the triatic stay, just ensure that the chains on one side is a couple of links longer than the other. It then lifts slightly lop sided quite happily.

Ian
'Ocean Hobo' Santorin 96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the update Duane,

This morning I was wondering how this was going!
So the gear puller seems to be the way (for the gipsy and outer clutch).

On the port side, if the washer doesn’t come out, may be with some time of hook you can force it out.
Then, you could put back the bolt (or preferably a longer one) then use the gear puller.
But I would be very careful not to damage the thread of the bolt on the main shaft.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Tue, 8/2/16, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 8:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
Just
to follow up, I used the gear puller on the chain gypsy.
 While it seemed to be welded in place when using
screwdrivers and hammer, the gear puller took it off with
almost no effort.  The outer clutch plate then literally
fell out of the chain gypsy.  
Now I will have to resort to
screwdrivers and tap, tap, tap for the inner clutch
cone...
Duane









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Hauling out using lifting u-bolts

ronheyselaar@...
 

I need to haul out our Amel 54 using an hydraulic crane as no travelift is available in the Faroe Islands. 


Does anybody have experience using this method to haul out? If so, what set up for the crane did you use?


Thanks,


Ron Heyselaar, Amel 54 # 157