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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
Hi Paul, When we purchased our Mango in Noumea and sailed home to Australia Pantaenius covered our yacht and has done so ever since. They are great to deal with in Australia and only required an updated survey for the file. Good luck Peter Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island Australia -- Peter Buckley 83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880 Phone: 0428 427 786 Email: carhartt@... From: "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 11 Aug 2016 03:42:34 -0700 To: <amelyachtowners@...> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance Hello! just found out that our insurance company would not insure our boat for sailing out of Europe as the standing rig is older than 10 years old. I have no time to change now. Has anyone of you any suggestion on good insurance companies for a European boat sailing outside Europe? Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics
enio rossi
Hi Herbert thanks for your experience and your information.I need to rreplace my Sterling but I have no idea about B.C. Amel-friendly. Could you give me some advice about Battery chargers that I must buy? Which is the model have you installed and how many Ampers? Fair winds. Enio
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu rigging loads
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Give the AMEL rig/hull design it is appropriate to keep the rig very tight. The hull engineered to be very tight rig. There MUST not be slack on the Lee side when going to windward. The mast must remain in column at ALL times. No bend fore and aft or side to side. Bill's issue was a "rigger" set the head and aft stays like it was a production boat. That is not appropriate per AMEL. The general rule is tighten each stay keeping the mast in column until it rings when tapped with a wooden hammer handle. If goes thud take a wrench to it. Hope this helps. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing Capt Richard Piller Newport RI Cell 603 767 5330
On Aug 11, 2016, at 11:47, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu rigging loads
James Alton
Bill, So you have preloaded your rig by your estimate to as much as 30 percent of it's ultimate strength? That may well be more load than the rig will see even under severe conditions. The preloading effectively reduces the remaining safety factor of the max compression loading of the spar... Also consider that plastic deforms over time under load. Ever noticed how an improperly blocked fiberglass hull can take a permanent set when too much load is concentrated at one point of the hull for a long period of time? Yes, the structure is strong but push or pull hard enough for long periods and deformation will occur. On a cruisng boat I tune to keep the spar to remain straight in all conditions (verified by loading up the rig and sighting the sail track) but tight enough that the lee rigging is not excessively slack. If the boat is to be at rest for an extended period I reduce rigging tension. Hopefully others will comment. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 08-11-2016 10:57 AM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu rigging loads Hey everyone - I know this topic has been addressed before. I have recently tuned my rig and it was crazy to me to the amount of work that was involved. This traces back to a previous post I had made about the forestay being wobbly. The problem (which I never thought) was the rig. Needed to be tightened (a lot). The pin actually came loose while furling the jib and that was the only problem. Now, I had my rig professionally serviced and tuned and as we all know this is a controversial topic among "professional" riggers without Amel experience. So I did the job myself with the help from another owner. My rig is so tight now you could play music off it. Actually when you tap the backstay it sounds like George Lucus used this to replicate the blaster sounds from Starwars. HAHA. Anyways, I called my rigger and he was very interested to come take a look. He was shocked... I mean literally shocked. Told me it goes against everything he has ever learned about rigging boats. His gauges were not even able to read the loads of the stays. Told me that other boats would have collapsed on themselves under the loads but at the same time agreed to the tensions. His question and the reason I am writing this is to find out if anyone has numbers for him. I guess the average numbers are 15-30% of the break load... (???) Can anyone chime in on this topic? Provide some numbers I can write down and relay? Any stories about tuning their rigs? Hope all is well and fair winds! Bill Maffei SM #195 It's all Good
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
We have used them for years on several Amels. Crossed the Atlantic four times with their coverage lived in Caribbean no issues fair price. . Marinas never question when you have their coverage. Regards Capt Richard Piller
On Aug 11, 2016, at 09:56, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Stephen Davis
We use Pantaenius and Scott Stusek, and have been very happy with the service provided. Steve Davis Aloha SM 72 Grenada
On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:06, 'Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius)' sstusek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius) <sstusek@...>
Pantaenius America, Annapolis office. www.pantaenius.us click on get a quote, Choose Annapolis, fill out the form and submit. I will look at it personally same day. Scott Stusek Pantaenius America, ltd 443-569-7995
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Hi Paul go asking a proposal at Pantaenius, Hamburg. I'm since 15 years with them. kr Hanspeter SM16, Tamango 2 PS: i do not have any business relations with them. It is only my personal experiance with this company and I'm was in good hands
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Super Maramu rigging loads
william_maffei@...
Hey everyone - I know this topic has been addressed before. I have recently tuned my rig and it was crazy to me to the amount of work that was involved. This traces back to a previous post I had made about the forestay being wobbly. The problem (which I never thought) was the rig. Needed to be tightened (a lot). The pin actually came loose while furling the jib and that was the only problem. Now, I had my rig professionally serviced and tuned and as we all know this is a controversial topic among "professional" riggers without Amel experience. So I did the job myself with the help from another owner. My rig is so tight now you could play music off it. Actually when you tap the backstay it sounds like George Lucus used this to replicate the blaster sounds from Starwars. HAHA. Anyways, I called my rigger and he was very interested to come take a look. He was shocked... I mean literally shocked. Told me it goes against everything he has ever learned about rigging boats. His gauges were not even able to read the loads of the stays. Told me that other boats would have collapsed on themselves under the loads but at the same time agreed to the tensions. His question and the reason I am writing this is to find out if anyone has numbers for him. I guess the average numbers are 15-30% of the break load... (???) Can anyone chime in on this topic? Provide some numbers I can write down and relay? Any stories about tuning their rigs? Hope all is well and fair winds! Bill Maffei SM #195 It's all Good
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
hanspeter baettig
Hi Paul go asking a proposal at Pantaenius, Hamburg. I'm since 15 years with them. kr Hanspeter SM16, Tamango 2 PS: i do not have any business relations with them. It is only my personal experiance with this company and I'm was in good hands Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics
James Alton
Herbert,
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Thanks for the detailed information on things to check with the bonding system. My boat is a later Maramu but perhaps the system is fairly similar? Does the aforementioned connection to the keel occur at a keel bolt? I did not see a strap during the water tank inspection so perhaps it is in the sump? If so then definitely something to look forward to! (grin) Do you normally use more copper for the repair or is there a better solution? Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Paul,
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Talk to Allianz… Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera SM007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Thank's Bill, but already offer that, but they did not accept
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Paul, I had that issue and solved it by offering a rigging inspection report. The insurance company waived the 10 years with the report. All boats and all rigging is not equal. Bill BeBe
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Insurance
Hello! just found out that our insurance company would not insure our boat for sailing out of Europe as the standing rig is older than 10 years old. I have no time to change now. Has anyone of you any suggestion on good insurance companies for a European boat sailing outside Europe? Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: One wire to many?
Hello not yet, some higher priority work right now, will let you now when ready
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
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Re: One wire to many?
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Hello Paul and Bill,
Did the splice suggested by Bill work? I have a similar-looking pump, a Jabsco Sensor-Max variable speed control with a solid state pressure sensor. People installed these pumps to be able to remove the water pressure accumulator; our boat has had this pump since August 2012 or before and I made sure to buy a spare before these were discontinued in 2015. Anyway, I have the same "one wire too many" issue and have been afraid of splicing into the wire going from the Jabsco switch to the Jabsco motor... I figure the sensor probably sends either a pulsed signal or variable voltage to the motor, as it does, in fact, run at different speeds depending on the number of water taps open or how much you open them, and I am not sure what either of those cases would do to the little light on the 24V panel... maybe someone else has tried this before? Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K n. 350 (2002) At anchor, Ajaccio (Corsica)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics
Herbert Lackner
hi enio,
maybe not relevant to your current problem, but eventually some helpful thoughts. I spent some time in finding grounding issues :-) on different santorins (including our own). what I found out where to put attention to: fischer panda is normally not isolated but there is an upgrade kit available by fischer panda (relais plus ready made cabling) that makes the fischer panda genset "amel-friendly". I installed it on KALI MERA and it works fine. without the kit you will have battery-minus connected to seawater when running the genset. you should check the cabling at the shaft alternator, there is a strong possibility that the isolation of the cables break and a connection from ground to the housing occurs, causing a ground leak (battery connection to bonding system, positive or negative) any changes in the alternator-system (new alternator or new shaft alternator, additional alternator...) can cause ground problems because most alternators are not isolated and therefore should not be used on an amel. and if an SSB has been installed on a santorin that has not dedicated SSB grounding then this is also a typical thing to pay some attention to when looking for ground leaks (e.g. direct connection of grounding to the rudder...). and (for sure not relevant to your actual problem but worth to mention): the original bonding - copper ground strap to the keel will break after about 10 -15 years, so should be checked also... :-) best regards herbert SN120, KALI MERA, Trinidad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] strong
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I believe that Rick's gmail account has been hijacked. I would not click on the link. Bill BeBe 387
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strong
Rick Grimes
Can not show full mail body.
Yahoogroups error msgID: 795031 (Wed Aug 10 20:36:21 2016)You will view it by pressing here
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Kent,
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It’s not simple… Connecting the charger safety ground can be done to either the AC safety ground wire, or the bonding wires, assuming the bonding wires are big enough to take full current from the AC system. Since those two systems are interconnected, they are are pretty much the same. There is no “DC Ground” as you seem to think of it There is only a DC negative. The reason for this is that 24Volts is not going to kill you, although, DC current running around on you boat can cause havoc as you well know! Stray DC current certainly is the culprit in electrolytic damage. “Stray” AC current isn’t so much a corrosion issue as it is a serious safety problem. The issue when connected to shorepower is DC currents that flow over the AC Safety Ground wire when plugged into shore power. In this case every boat in the marina is grounded to the same point on shore. Any problem on any boat can result in DC currents flowing between boats, through the water and back on the ground wire. Now it gets more complex… electrolytic and galvanic corrosion are not exactly the same, although people frequently use the terms interchangeably. Electrolytic corrosion is caused by imposed electrical currents. Galvanic corrosion is caused by an electrical current generated by the presence of dissimilar metals in an electrolyte. No external voltage source is needed. Galvanic voltages are low, usually less that 1 volt and are blocked completely by a galvanic isolator (hence the name…) Stray currents can be up to 24 volts. If they are greater than about 1 volt the galvanic isolator does not work. One other difference. The isolator blocks galvanic action between different boats. It will not protect you from electrolytic corrosion caused by stray current generated by your OWN boat that do not flow through the AC safety ground wire. And an isolator does nothing at all when not in a marina.
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