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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents

Mike Johnson
 

Hi,

We connected ours to junction box where the shore enters the engine room prior to the shore power/generator change over switch (first point of connection to any system).

Then installed the galvanic isolator in the galley starboard of the autopilot.  Pictures in the library. Seems to work well.

Mike & Peta

Solitude
SM2K 461




On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:49 PM +0200, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

You probably already trace the wires.
I just did it for the installation of the Galvanic Isolator and trace from the shore power to the inverter then back to the box where select 220 Volt from 220 Volt Shore power -or- 220 Volt from 110 Volt Shore power.

You might like part 1 and 2
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

Do you have a 110 Volt plug at the end of your 2nd shore power cord?
Mine is not terminated, another project of mine!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre.

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 11:40 AM


 









Alexandre,
Thanks!  That confirms what I
already thought I knew, very helpful.
That optional equipment manual is
one I haven’t seen.  It answers a few questions I had had
about other things too!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieNarragansett Bay, RI“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:29,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
On the Optional Equipment (.pdf
21.1 mb)
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf

All it says section (7-16 or page
7/28) is 6000 Watt.  
Also recommend to
never obstruct the air unless on each side.  

This is another project of mine
(to test it).  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon,
8/15/16, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]

wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, August
15, 2016, 1:48 PM


 









The only piece of equipment I
have
found
lacking documentation in our boat's files has been
the transformer.
Does anybody has any details about it?  I
wasn't able to get anything
on this older model from the
Scheiber website.
Here is the contents of the
label:
Auto
TransformateurP.  110/230  HZ
50/60S.
________
Ph. _______Puis.
6300Type  ATP   No
_______












SCHEIBER S.A.  85120
Here is what I think
I know, please
feel free to correct any
misunderstanding.This transformer will convert
110V up to 230V OR
230V down to 110V, depending on which
side is energized.
It is rated for
6300
Watts.That's about it!
 Anything else
important to know?
Bill KinneyHarmonie,
SM#160Narraganset Bay, RI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

You probably already trace the wires.
I just did it for the installation of the Galvanic Isolator and trace from the shore power to the inverter then back to the box where select 220 Volt from 220 Volt Shore power -or- 220 Volt from 110 Volt Shore power.

You might like part 1 and 2
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

Do you have a 110 Volt plug at the end of your 2nd shore power cord?
Mine is not terminated, another project of mine!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre.





--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 11:40 AM


 









Alexandre,
Thanks!  That confirms what I
already thought I knew, very helpful.
That optional equipment manual is
one I haven’t seen.  It answers a few questions I had had
about other things too!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieNarragansett Bay, RI“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:29,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
On the Optional Equipment (.pdf
21.1 mb)
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf

All it says section (7-16 or page
7/28) is 6000 Watt.  
Also recommend to
never obstruct the air unless on each side.  

This is another project of mine
(to test it).  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon,
8/15/16, greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August
15, 2016, 1:48 PM


 









The only piece of equipment I
have
found
lacking documentation in our boat's files has been
the transformer.
Does anybody has any details about it?  I
wasn't able to get anything
on this older model from the
Scheiber website.
Here is the contents of the
label:
Auto
TransformateurP.  110/230  HZ
50/60S.
________
Ph. _______Puis.
6300Type  ATP   No
_______












SCHEIBER S.A.  85120
Here is what I think
I know, please
feel free to correct any
misunderstanding.This transformer will convert
110V up to 230V OR
230V down to 110V, depending on which
side is energized.
It is rated for
6300
Watts.That's about it!
 Anything else
important to know?
Bill KinneyHarmonie,
SM#160Narraganset Bay, RI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

Thanks!  That confirms what I already thought I knew, very helpful.

That optional equipment manual is one I haven’t seen.  It answers a few questions I had had about other things too!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Narragansett Bay, RI
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Aug 16, 2016, at 12:29, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

On the Optional Equipment (.pdf 21.1 mb)
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf

All it says section (7-16 or page 7/28) is 6000 Watt.  
Also recommend to never obstruct the air unless on each side.  

This is another project of mine (to test it).  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Mon, 8/15/16, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 1:48 PM


 









The only piece of equipment I have
found lacking documentation in our boat's files has been
the transformer. Does anybody has any details about it?  I
wasn't able to get anything on this older model from the
Scheiber website.
Here is the contents of the
label:
Auto
TransformateurP.  110/230  HZ 50/60S.
________ Ph. _______Puis.
6300Type  ATP   No
_______












SCHEIBER S.A.  85120
Here is what I think I know, please
feel free to correct any misunderstanding.This transformer will convert
110V up to 230V OR 230V down to 110V, depending on which
side is energized.
It is rated for 6300
Watts.That's about it!  Anything else
important to know?
Bill KinneyHarmonie, SM#160Narraganset Bay, RI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On the Optional Equipment (.pdf 21.1 mb)
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf

All it says section (7-16 or page 7/28) is 6000 Watt.
Also recommend to never obstruct the air unless on each side.

This is another project of mine (to test it).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Mon, 8/15/16, greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Transformer Information/Documents
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 15, 2016, 1:48 PM


 









The only piece of equipment I have
found lacking documentation in our boat's files has been
the transformer. Does anybody has any details about it?  I
wasn't able to get anything on this older model from the
Scheiber website.
Here is the contents of the
label:
Auto
TransformateurP.  110/230  HZ 50/60S.
________ Ph. _______Puis.
6300Type  ATP   No
_______












SCHEIBER S.A.  85120
Here is what I think I know, please
feel free to correct any misunderstanding.This transformer will convert
110V up to 230V OR 230V down to 110V, depending on which
side is energized.
It is rated for 6300
Watts.That's about it!  Anything else
important to know?
Bill KinneyHarmonie, SM#160Narraganset Bay, RI











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[Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by the installation of new equipment, I illustrated the “installation of the Galvanic Isolator”.

This also helped me to understand better some of the electrical system (up to a point).

This might look a little different than your own installation as I have the optional 110 to 220 volt transformer in the engine room.

Would love to hear back from Olivier and other to make sure it is correct!

Here is the link: 
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 4 sections.

If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version (49 pictures). 


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Winch Mounting

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Duane,

I feel now terrible to have inspired you to service the windlass…

Here are pictures of used spare parts that came with the boat.
You can see the space for the key bent as well as inner and outer gipsy bent.

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_used_parts.html

I throw these away but purchase a spare of each (which is probably not necessary).

One of my next project is to change the oil of the windlass (and I understood it needs to be unbolted), so if you can take pictures..

Good luck…

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Tue, 8/16/16, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Winch Mounting
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 10:05 AM


 









I've been trying to remove the
inner clutch cone without success.  The key is binding in
the clutch cone key-slot.  (picture the clutch cone slot at
11:00, the drive shaft slot at noon, and the key tipped to
stay in both slots).  
I tried using a bearing
splitter, which is the only puller that can be gotten
between the clutch cone and the aluminum casing, and the
puller then pushes against the drive shaft.  It bent the
edge of the clutch cone but did not move one
bit.
I decided to remove the
winch and send it to Lofrans for repair.  Looking in the
chain locker, directly below the windlass, I don't see
any nuts for the four mounting bolts.
 
Are the nut embedded in the
deck?  I started to turn one of the bolts and didn't
get a good feeling about it.
Duane









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Re: Explanation of Bonding System

Duane Siegfri
 

Ian,

When you're back in Brunswick let me know, we're on dock 14 in BLM.

First, I'm not an expert in bonding systems.  But here is what I understand.

If you connect different metals together with a conductor, one will corrode (the anode and less noble metal), and the other will not (cathode and more noble metal).  

Seawater will conduct electricity.  

When seawater is in contact with different metals (say a stainless steel pump impeller and a bronze seacock) one of these is less noble and will corrode (the anode).  Zinc is more anodic than the other metals on your boat.  By connecting all the metals that are in contact with seawater, and then connecting that wire to the zinc anode on the rudder, the zinc will corrode and protect the other metals in contact with seawater.

This is a form of "cathodic protection", check wikipedia for a more detailed explanation of cathodic protection.  This is an electro-chemical reaction.

Duane
Wanderer, SM #477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Winch Mounting

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

Apparently that guy has not worked at Lofrans very long, because it is a very common problem when people either tighten the wing nut very tight and don't use a snubber, or they do not believe that the cone-to-gypsy connection should be greased.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'm sure that's the reason Bill.  I called Lofrans this morning and the guy I talked to said he had never heard of the key binding before!


Duane



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Winch Mounting

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm sure that's the reason Bill.  I called Lofrans this morning and the guy I talked to said he had never heard of the key binding before!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Winch Mounting

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

I am sure that you know this...The cause of the twisted key on the shaft is that the cone was not greased.

When you get it back, be sure the cone is greased between the gypsy and the cone. You want it to slip under high loads. Be sure to use a snubber to take any load off the windlass when you are anchored.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I've been trying to remove the inner clutch cone without success.  The key is binding in the clutch cone key-slot.  (picture the clutch cone slot at 11:00, the drive shaft slot at noon, and the key tipped to stay in both slots).  


I tried using a bearing splitter, which is the only puller that can be gotten between the clutch cone and the aluminum casing, and the puller then pushes against the drive shaft.  It bent the edge of the clutch cone but did not move one bit.


I decided to remove the winch and send it to Lofrans for repair.  Looking in the chain locker, directly below the windlass, I don't see any nuts for the four mounting bolts.  


Are the nut embedded in the deck?  I started to turn one of the bolts and didn't get a good feeling about it.


Du ane



Lofrans Winch Mounting

Duane Siegfri
 

I've been trying to remove the inner clutch cone without success.  The key is binding in the clutch cone key-slot.  (picture the clutch cone slot at 11:00, the drive shaft slot at noon, and the key tipped to stay in both slots).  


I tried using a bearing splitter, which is the only puller that can be gotten between the clutch cone and the aluminum casing, and the puller then pushes against the drive shaft.  It bent the edge of the clutch cone but did not move one bit.


I decided to remove the winch and send it to Lofrans for repair.  Looking in the chain locker, directly below the windlass, I don't see any nuts for the four mounting bolts.  


Are the nut embedded in the deck?  I started to turn one of the bolts and didn't get a good feeling about it.


Duane


Explanation of Bonding System

francesringley@...
 

Can anyone provide an explanation of the bonding system on the Super Maramu? I have looked through the forum and tried to interpret various messages that mention it. But I can't seem to put it all together so it makes complete sense. How and where is it laid out? What should you be know when installing new equipment? How do you check it and what are the signs of trouble?

I want to be able to add/replace various 24V and 220V things (e.g. instruments, cabin fans, microwave, etc.) but not until I fully understand.

Thanks all.


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153
Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor

robin hutter
 

check the Lenherr and Wagner - as good as the Baur, if not better, also German made - costs certainly less than US$ 4000, will easily fit and does only need 2,2 Kw

fair winds
Robin
SM #56
Amel SM
presently in Kavala, Greece


Re: Amel SM engine room bulkheads and keel bolts.

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Perfect! Thank you very much for the information

John. SM Notre Vie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust flap

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Jamie. Sounds simple, must do it.



From: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2016 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust flap

 
You have to remove it from inside the boat. You first disconnect the exhaust hose going to it (mine was a 75mm hose - not sure about the SM). Then you remove the flapper from the large-diameter but short length of hose that you will see.. The big hose is much larger in diameter than the flapper. It connects to the flapper and then to the thru-hull fitting. It is pretty easy to remove once you remove the exhaust hose. Be careful to ensure the exhaust outlet is not below the water line or you will get a lot of seawater entry. I did mine out of the water.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:34 PM, "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Thanks Jamie. The hand in will see if it is there. If not,how to replace?
Thanks
Danny
Sm 299
ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On Aug 14, 2016 11:26 AM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 
Danny, I just replaced mine, as I had to increase my exhaust hose from 75 to 90 mm. You can reach in from the outside and feel it. You should not be able to stick your hands into the actual hose. It is welded into a tube that then fits into a rubber outer hose.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:33 PM, "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 

Hi all. How do you get to check if the exhaust flap is in place still. Lazy question because I haven't started looking yet but don't want to pull things apart if there is a better way. If it is missing/damaged how to replace?
Regards
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The crazy wiring of the Yanmar isolated ground on my 4jh3hte Hull #376 SM

karkauai
 

Thanks Eric.  Glad you're up and running again.
Kent


On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:48 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Yanmar uses plain copper wire in their harnesses. Normal USA wire is tinned. I believe some of my problems were the fact that he wires corroded over time, Secondly a number of wires that Amel selected to use are too small a gauge for the current/distance..

Having  soldered , changed, and rewired most of the engine harness I cannot say it was something specific except time and wrong wire sizing.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The crazy wiring of the Yanmar isolated ground on my 4jh3hte Hull #376 SM

 

 

Congrats, Eric!  So what did you find was the problem?

Kent

SM243

Kristy

 


From: "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:42 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The crazy wiring of the Yanmar isolated ground on my 4jh3hte Hull #376 SM

 

 

I thought I had solved the problem of the erratic starting and stopping of my engine. I finally threw in the towel and the last few days I have removed all the plastic covering of the entire engine harness and the gooey black electrical tape that was used 14 years ago to close the corrugated covering of the wires.

 

I have found a number of connections that work but make no sense as there are much simpler ways to accomplish the same thing.

 

Tomorrow I will take some photos an explain the improvements I am making to the wiring harness.

 

One series of improvements will be to remove soldered splices that the factory did to make the engine an isolated ground. I will run non spliced cables directly from point to point. a number of these connections are in the middle of a run of wire just soldered and taped together.

 

To make things worse these connections are under the area of the turbo and totally inaccessible unless you remove the entire engine harness from the oil filter side.

 

The good news is I have it figured out and the engine now works perfectly.

More to follow.

 

 


Re: Transformer Information/Documents

sebastien aubouin <sfaubouin@...>
 

Puis  is shorthand for puissance  which means "Power" in French.  Hope this helps.

--
Sebastien Aubouin


Transformer Information/Documents

greatketch@...
 

The only piece of equipment I have found lacking documentation in our boat's files has been the transformer. Does anybody has any details about it?  I wasn't able to get anything on this older model from the Scheiber website.


Here is the contents of the label:


Auto Transformateur

P.  110/230  HZ 50/60

S. ________ Ph. _______

Puis. 6300

Type  ATP   No _______

SCHEIBER S.A.  85120


Here is what I think I know, please feel free to correct any misunderstanding.

  • This transformer will convert 110V up to 230V OR 230V down to 110V, depending on which side is energized.
  • It is rated for 6300 Watts.

That's about it!  Anything else important to know?


Bill Kinney

Harmonie, SM#160

Narraganset Bay, RI




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water in engine

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello,

installing a valve on an engine exhaust line is not recommended at all. It is not abiding by the EC regulations for leisure crafts manufacturing, and I'm pretty sure ABYC would recommend against that.
Moreover, that would mean installing a HUUUGE valve (75 mm internal diameter).

Another way of preventing seawater to fill up the exhaust line and the cylinders would be to install a drain with a valve, in the muffler, that is left open when you don't run the engine (but, then don't forget to shut it before starting!). Some plastic mufflers (VETUS) have that kind of built-in drain.

However, as always, try not to change too many things on your AMEL.

Olivier.


On Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:35 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill, you are absolutely correct. My old boat, a Tayana 42, had a very high outlet point - with a non-functioning gate valve of all crazy ideas. I only added a flapper when I installed a gas/water separator. It seemed to work.

I would be most interested in hearing your story about a closed valve, over that glass of wine of course. I would not want to give that a whirl on my boat.

I think James said it well that you cannot defy physics, but I do think the Amel design is the best of both worlds - a high exhaust loop and a flapper. I took advantage of each when I installed my new engine and the larger exhaust.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:48 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
All boats have compromises in design... Even Amels!

Many boats do not need a flap on the exhaust because the design allows the exhaust to loop high enough that one is not needed.

On other boats a valve is fitted to absolutely close the exhaust port. You don't have to worry about not opening it, the engine will not run against a closed exhaust! I will only explain how I know this after several glasses of wine...

On my old boat for example, the exhaust hose looped way up inside the cockpit coming. That got the high point of the hose almost a meter higher above the water than is possible on my SM where the height of the hose loop is limited by the floor of the cockpit. Water entry was never a problem.

But... On an SM, even if vertical space was available, you can't ask a turbocharged engine to work against that much back pressure!

Isn't boat design FUN!?!?

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM160
Narragansett Bay, RI

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 13:11, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> I think what Amel installed for the engine on the SM and on is quite good. =
> Most boats have no flapper at all. The only other option would be a shutoff=
> valve, which is what my generator exhaust has. But there you have to be ve=
> ry careful to remember to open when you run the generator. Otherwise you wi=
> ll seriously fill up the boat with raw water - an






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM engine room bulkheads and keel bolts.

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello John,

the keel bolts' diameter is 20mm, the nuts are hex 32mm.

Concerning the aft bulkhead of the engine room, you should find a first plywood (10mm) behind the foam, then foam again, then the 20mm plywood mizzen mast bulkhead. Check with a gentle drill...

Olivier


On Monday, August 15, 2016 4:51 PM, johnabo2003 wrote:


 
Thanks Bill. I will start with 14mm and hope it is right first time.