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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

karkauai
 

Thank you Olivier!!!  Do you need an apprentice?  I'd volunteer to hang out with you and be your "gofer" (go get me a...) for a month or two just to soak up all that Amel info you have stored away.
Thanks again for taking the time to teach us.
Kent


On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Alexander,

the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more. If you connect it to a 32A, even a 63A dock outlet, and turn on ALL of your 230V equipments, it will get fire in a few seconds, without tripping the dock's breaker.
This cable can only carry 16 amps, and if you have no other option than connecting to a 32A or 63A dock outlet, you MUST monitor your draw, and wash your clothes AFTER the scuba tanks are full.
Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.

When you connect to shore power, the cable must be as short as possible and uncoiled. Don't use unnecessary extensions. I've seen boats with 40 metres shore power cable nicely coiled in the lazarette, as the dock outlet was 3 metres from stern. This is a very safe way to get fire in your boat. If you have no choice, first uncoil your cable and spread it on the dock.

Concerning the originally mounted 110V/230V, 6kW step-up transformer (cubic grey box in engine room, optionnal) those who have it probably noticed that the 110V shore cable was bigger (3G4), able to carry 25A. So don't take more than 25A out of it (which means 15A on the 220V side of this transformer).
This transformer is NOT equipped with a galvanic isolator, meaning the ground is common to 110V input and 220V output. The 110V shore cable MUST be connected to the dock's ground/earth.
If you want to be protected from stray currents coming from your neighbors through the ground/earth wire, you need to install a galvanic isolator on the 110V input line.
Now some new products include a galvanic isolator, that's why they're called "isolation transformers".

Be careful with 220V but keep in mind that 12V or 24V could be even more dangerous (fire).

OLIVIER




On Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:02 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Good morning Eric, Alan,

I am not concerned about tripping a 16 Amp dock breaker.

I am concerned about my shore power cable being too small to pull for example 25 Amp out of a 32 Amp dock outlet.

Example, in 50 hertz countries if I use my Scuba compressor and my washing machine, plus some outlet, I will draw 25 Amps (5600 Watt) (this is what I measured with the Blue Sea last week while I was using my genset).

So if the shore power cable is only able to sustain 16 Amp, I am 50% above and don’t want to have an overheating and possibly get it on fire.

Going through your reply Alan, so if I understand correctly, you say the “shore power cable” coming from the boat is ok for 32 Amp. But the small extension I have is not, so I just need to replace that (with a thicker cable)?

Thanks for all of your reply.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 6:25 PM


 









That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a
dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the
breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the
same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've
done it !
CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

 

That is confusing as our boat (number 472) came with 32amp rated shore connectors and (I think ) 32 amp rated cable. Now I need to check the cable again.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 18 August 2016 14:38
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

 

 

Hello Alexander,

 

the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more. If you connect it to a 32A, even a 63A dock outlet, and turn on ALL of your 230V equipments, it will get fire in a few seconds, without tripping the dock's breaker.

This cable can only carry 16 amps, and if you have no other option than connecting to a 32A or 63A dock outlet, you MUST monitor your draw, and wash your clothes AFTER the scuba tanks are full.

Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.

 

When you connect to shore power, the cable must be as short as possible and uncoiled. Don't use unnecessary extensions. I've seen boats with 40 metres shore power cable nicely coiled in the lazarette, as the dock outlet was 3 metres from stern. This is a very safe way to get fire in your boat. If you have no choice, first uncoil your cable and spread it on the dock.

 

Concerning the originally mounted 110V/230V, 6kW step-up transformer (cubic grey box in engine room, optionnal) those who have it probably noticed that the 110V shore cable was bigger (3G4), able to carry 25A. So don't take more than 25A out of it (which means 15A on the 220V side of this transformer).

This transformer is NOT equipped with a galvanic isolator, meaning the ground is common to 110V input and 220V output. The 110V shore cable MUST be connected to the dock's ground/earth.

If you want to be protected from stray currents coming from your neighbors through the ground/earth wire, you need to install a galvanic isolator on the 110V input line.

Now some new products include a galvanic isolator, that's why they're called "isolation transformers".

 

Be careful with 220V but keep in mind that 12V or 24V could be even more dangerous (fire).

 

OLIVIER

 

 

 

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:02 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Good morning Eric, Alan,

I am not concerned about tripping a 16 Amp dock breaker.

I am concerned about my shore power cable being too small to pull for example 25 Amp out of a 32 Amp dock outlet.

Example, in 50 hertz countries if I use my Scuba compressor and my washing machine, plus some outlet, I will draw 25 Amps (5600 Watt) (this is what I measured with the Blue Sea last week while I was using my genset).

So if the shore power cable is only able to sustain 16 Amp, I am 50% above and don’t want to have an overheating and possibly get it on fire.

Going through your reply Alan, so if I understand correctly, you say the “shore power cable” coming from the boat is ok for 32 Amp. But the small extension I have is not, so I just need to replace that (with a thicker cable)?

Thanks for all of your reply.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 6:25 PM


 









That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a
dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the
breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the
same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've
done it !
CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I am not sure that the shore power is only rated for 230VAC 50htz 16 amps. I think it is designed for 32 amps, but maybe less with 220VAC 60htz and/or use of a transformer.

I am not an electrician, but I believe that the maximum amperage is also determined by some other things including any transformer in-line and whether you are using USA style 220VAC 60htz with two 110VAC 60htz hot wires.

To answer this question with clarity I think you will need a certified marine electrician. It might be worth paying one for a few hours to check the AC systems on your boat. But, if you hire one make sure he is very familiar with marine 230VAC 50htz.  Where you are may make this difficult.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Aug 18, 2016 6:02 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Eric, Alan,

I am not concerned about tripping a 16 Amp dock breaker.

I am concerned about my shore power cable being too small to pull for example 25 Amp out of a 32 Amp dock outlet.

Example, in 50 hertz countries if I use my Scuba compressor and my washing machine, plus some outlet, I will draw 25 Amps (5600 Watt) (this is what I measured with the Blue Sea last week while I was using my genset).

So if the shore power cable is only able to sustain 16 Amp, I am 50% above and don’t want to have an overheating and possibly get it on fire.

Going through your reply Alan, so if I understand correctly, you say the “shore power cable” coming from the boat is ok for 32 Amp. But the small extension I have is not, so I just need to replace that (with a thicker cable)?

Thanks for all of your reply.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 6:25 PM


 









That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a
dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the
breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the
same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've
done it !
CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

Santorin LO
 

Hi Paul, 
Not exactly sure on you issue, however, I had an issue on my Santorin for almost 2 seasons where we would set a course, it will be keeping it for sometime disregarding weather conditions (10mins - few hours) and then will just loose it like it was disconnected from the actual steering. then when we s/by and auto again - it would function again for sometime and loose course again - NO real pattern in terms of weather conditions, timing etc...

However, while no one could explain or fix, I finally found someone who immediately said - need to overhaul the clutch (i think - will look into my relevant post on this) and for the last 2 years no problems at all.

Hope it helps



From: "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 5:15 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

 
The other day we change our old Autohelm type 300 course computer to a Raymarine S3G, still keeping the old Autohelm ST 7000 control unit. It all started very well it kept the course very straight and had no problem even though the wave was rather high and wind only moderate, except that the compass reading was almost 180 degree wrong. 
Then after a while the Autopilot goes totally berserk, steering away totally uncontrolled, we put it in stand by and then Auto again it worked fine for ca 24 h, then berserk again.
When later at harbor we notice that in Stand by mode the compass suddenly gave reading all over the place, it change every second all over the 360 degree, not strange that it does not steer well.
 Does anyone have experienced similar behavior? Anyone know the remedy for such behavior?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 currently in Gibraltar




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Alexander,

the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more. If you connect it to a 32A, even a 63A dock outlet, and turn on ALL of your 230V equipments, it will get fire in a few seconds, without tripping the dock's breaker.
This cable can only carry 16 amps, and if you have no other option than connecting to a 32A or 63A dock outlet, you MUST monitor your draw, and wash your clothes AFTER the scuba tanks are full.
Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.

When you connect to shore power, the cable must be as short as possible and uncoiled. Don't use unnecessary extensions. I've seen boats with 40 metres shore power cable nicely coiled in the lazarette, as the dock outlet was 3 metres from stern. This is a very safe way to get fire in your boat. If you have no choice, first uncoil your cable and spread it on the dock.

Concerning the originally mounted 110V/230V, 6kW step-up transformer (cubic grey box in engine room, optionnal) those who have it probably noticed that the 110V shore cable was bigger (3G4), able to carry 25A. So don't take more than 25A out of it (which means 15A on the 220V side of this transformer).
This transformer is NOT equipped with a galvanic isolator, meaning the ground is common to 110V input and 220V output. The 110V shore cable MUST be connected to the dock's ground/earth.
If you want to be protected from stray currents coming from your neighbors through the ground/earth wire, you need to install a galvanic isolator on the 110V input line.
Now some new products include a galvanic isolator, that's why they're called "isolation transformers".

Be careful with 220V but keep in mind that 12V or 24V could be even more dangerous (fire).

OLIVIER




On Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:02 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Good morning Eric, Alan,

I am not concerned about tripping a 16 Amp dock breaker.

I am concerned about my shore power cable being too small to pull for example 25 Amp out of a 32 Amp dock outlet.

Example, in 50 hertz countries if I use my Scuba compressor and my washing machine, plus some outlet, I will draw 25 Amps (5600 Watt) (this is what I measured with the Blue Sea last week while I was using my genset).

So if the shore power cable is only able to sustain 16 Amp, I am 50% above and don’t want to have an overheating and possibly get it on fire.

Going through your reply Alan, so if I understand correctly, you say the “shore power cable” coming from the boat is ok for 32 Amp. But the small extension I have is not, so I just need to replace that (with a thicker cable)?

Thanks for all of your reply.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 6:25 PM


 









That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a
dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the
breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the
same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've
done it !
CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mike,

This is the same I installed last week !!!
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 8/18/16, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 18, 2016, 6:16 AM


 










Hi
Alexandre,
We
purchased the following Galvanic Isolator:
http://www.bcet.co.uk/galvanic-isolator-products.html
The advantage of the gauge is that
the isolator can be tested and any stray voltages monitored
visually.  This one has also been fitted by other owners on
the forum who may also be able to verify its
performance.
Very best
wishes
Mike &
Peta
SM 2K
461Solitude
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration
of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



  Good
morning Mike,

This is a
great news!

Bill (SM#160,
Harmonie) is trying to obtain information on the originally
installed Scheiber transformer.

Out of curiosity: which make/model of Galvanic
Isolator did you purchase?

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Wed, 8/17/16, MICHAEL JOHNSON mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:35 PM


 











Hi
Alexandre,
From the
website it would appear to be an isolation
transformer.
 When I purchased my galvanic
isolator the support team
were very helpful
with technical information.  Suggest you

email them with specific questions about the isolation
transformer.
Mike
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
illustration
of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation
To:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



  Thanks for
the reply Mike,

Do you
know if the 110-220
Volt transformer is for sure an

'isolation transformer?

Sincerely Alexandre


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On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:


Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners]
illustration of the Galvanic Isolator

Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM


 











Hi,
My
understanding is
that if an
'isolation

transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us
not
required as
there is
no potentional earth
return circuit between
the
boat and shore

power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for preventing
galvanic corrosion but also the most
expensive
and

heaviest.
Regards
Mike
& Peta
SM 2K

461Solitude

Get
Outlook
for iOS





On Wed, Aug 17, 2016
at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:


























 








Hi
again

Alex.I've
been told that the
110-220V
transformer is an isolated
transformer and
thus
doesn't need to be protected by a

galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound
on that
theory.  If it's true, your
110VAC shore
power may

already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre

Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August

17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] illustration of the Galvanic

Isolator
Installation





 











Good
morning Kent,



Our
vessel are similar.




And if
you look at all the pictures I posted,
especially
Part 2, you will see I trace
the wires to the
automatic

switch above the genset as this
is where I
remember Olivier
mentioned to
connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore,
that box
“intimidates” me… and I felt

logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to
the very
first
connection
(which is the box on top
of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box,

then the first connection would
have
been
the automatic switch above the genset.





As
Derick
mentioned and was thinking the other night:

currently the 110 shore power is not

protected.

Not a
problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.


By Connecting its
earth to
the domino, it will be.


And the
Big cubical white transformer will be after and
not
before the Galvanic
Isolator.



Would love to hear back
from Olivier on my
set-up





Alexandre






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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent
Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:




Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic
Isolator
Installation


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, August
16,
2016, 6:10 PM





 





















Hi
Alex,Your #289 is fairly


close to my #243.


I'm not on the


boat, so writing this from memory.  If

I've left


something
out or am still clueless about
something,

please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC
shore
power will go directly to a box
on

the
forward bulkhead, up
against the cockpit
floor.  It

terminates
at a 110AC 30A breaker there.
 From the
breaker,


it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.
 On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical
box on the forward
end of the
shelf


above the generator.The converted 220AC


power output (which will be
the same frequency as the

input,

60Hz) then goes
back to the
box on the bulkhead to a
female


plug marked "220 via
the
transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember
it
exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you
have to insert the
male plug in

this

receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged



into the other receptacle on the front of
that box
marked


2"20AC Sur Le
Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the

automatic switch which chooses

generator

power over
shore power.
 This is above the generator.
I

don't remember
how it is marked.  There
is another
box


near there marked 220AC that has the relays

for the Air


Conditioners
that turn on the 220AC raw
water pump which


cools all three A/C units.From that
automatic


switch, all
220AC power goes to the 220
breakers in the


galley.


If you have a 220


inverter, power goes from it to the 220

panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others
have
a little

different set
up with the
inverter.

In
a post a year or so

ago,
Olivier suggested that
you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC

shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the


ground
wire that goes from the box on the
forward

bulkhead

in the engine
room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My
understanding is that the
110->220

transformer
is an "isolation transformer",
and

having it between
the shore
power and the galvanic
isolator


is not a problem.  The
only other item
that is between

shore
power and the galvanic isolator with
this
placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward
engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that



helpsKentSM243Kristy





Sent
from my

iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58


PM, Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:













































 


















Good afternoon

Derick,








Thanks
for the compliment and also to pay
attention to
the


details!!!







You are

totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so
building confidence!










I was
just thinking last
night the same thing you


mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the
electric


“domino”.








My 110 volt doesn’t have

any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at
what
color cable I have and see
where


they go.








Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to
have?









I
assume
the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have
other
plug for European, South



American, etc. Marinas?








Once I

take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.








Thanks
again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan,

Puerto Rico









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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:










Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
illustration
of the

Galvanic Isolator

Installation



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM












 





















































Alexandre,




Nicely
illustrated, as always.




 Thank you for the
instructive pictures!




I note that the way
you
have hooked



up the galvanic
isolator,
only the 230V shore line is




isolated.  The 110V shore
line is not (yet) protected.




 You can protect the 110V shore line using

the same



isolator by hooking it
up
similarly simultaneously.




 Disconnect the 110V
ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to
the input side of the
galvanic



isolator using the same

connection point as the 230V

shore




ground and you have
done
it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire




connector to a three-wire
connector.)



That

way you are protected no matter




which
shore line you use!





Derick







GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in




Antigua
for hurricane season















































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Alexandre,
We purchased the following Galvanic Isolator:
http://www.bcet.co.uk/galvanic-isolator-products.html
The advantage of the gauge is that the isolator can be tested and any stray voltages monitored visually.  This one has also been fitted by other owners on the forum who may also be able to verify its performance.
Very best wishes
Mike & Peta
SM 2K 461Solitude
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>


 

Good morning Mike,

This is a great news!

Bill (SM#160, Harmonie) is trying to obtain information on the originally installed Scheiber transformer.

Out of curiosity: which make/model of Galvanic Isolator did you purchase?

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Wed, 8/17/16, MICHAEL JOHNSON mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:35 PM


 










Hi
Alexandre,
From the
website it would appear to be an isolation transformer.
 When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team
were very helpful with technical information.  Suggest you
email them with specific questions about the isolation
transformer.
Mike
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration
of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



  Thanks for
the reply Mike,

Do you
know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an
'isolation transformer?

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM


 










Hi,
My
understanding is that if an
'isolation
transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not
required as
there is no potentional earth
return circuit between the
boat and shore
power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for preventing
galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive
and
heaviest.
Regards
Mike & Peta
SM 2K
461Solitude

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016
at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























 







Hi
again
Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V
transformer is an isolated
transformer and
thus doesn't need to be protected by a

galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore
power may
already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August

17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic
Isolator
Installation



 









Good
morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if
you look at all the pictures I posted, especially
Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the
automatic
switch above the genset as this
is where I remember Olivier
mentioned to
connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore,
that box “intimidates” me… and I felt

logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very
first
connection (which is the box on top
of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box,
then the first connection would
have been
the automatic switch above the genset.




As
Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night:
currently the 110 shore power is not
protected.

Not a
problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to
the domino, it will be.


And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and
not
before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my
set-up




Alexandre




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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent
Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic
Isolator Installation


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, August 16,
2016, 6:10 PM





 




















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If
I've left

something
out or am still clueless about something,

please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore
power will go directly to a box
on

the forward bulkhead, up
against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.
 From the
breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.
 On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward
end of the
shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be
the same frequency as the
input,

60Hz) then goes back to the
box on the bulkhead to a
female

plug marked "220 via
the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it
exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the
male plug in

this
receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged


into the other receptacle on the front of that box
marked


2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the
automatic switch which chooses
generator

power over shore power.
 This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There
is another
box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays
for the Air

Conditioners
that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which


cools all three A/C units.From that
automatic

switch, all
220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the


galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220
panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have
a little

different set
up with the inverter.

In
a post a year or so

ago,
Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC
shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the

ground
wire that goes from the box on the forward

bulkhead

in the engine
room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the
110->220

transformer
is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore
power and the galvanic
isolator

is not a problem.  The
only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with
this placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward
engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that


helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent
from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 














Good afternoon
Derick,







Thanks
for the compliment and also to pay attention to
the


details!!!







You are
totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so
building confidence!










I was
just thinking last night the same thing you

mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the
electric

“domino”.








My 110 volt doesn’t have
any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at what
color cable I have and see
where

they go.








Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to
have?







I assume
the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other
plug for European, South


American, etc. Marinas?








Once I
take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.







Thanks
again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan,
Puerto Rico








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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration
of the

Galvanic Isolator
Installation



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 









































Alexandre,



Nicely
illustrated, as always.




 Thank you for the
instructive pictures!




I note that the way
you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator,
only the 230V shore line is




isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using
the same



isolator by hooking it up
similarly simultaneously.




 Disconnect the 110V
ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to the input side of the
galvanic



isolator using the same
connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done
it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire




connector to a three-wire connector.)



That
way you are protected no matter



which
shore line you use!



Derick





GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua
for hurricane season








































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric, Alan,

I am not concerned about tripping a 16 Amp dock breaker.

I am concerned about my shore power cable being too small to pull for example 25 Amp out of a 32 Amp dock outlet.

Example, in 50 hertz countries if I use my Scuba compressor and my washing machine, plus some outlet, I will draw 25 Amps (5600 Watt) (this is what I measured with the Blue Sea last week while I was using my genset).

So if the shore power cable is only able to sustain 16 Amp, I am 50% above and don’t want to have an overheating and possibly get it on fire.

Going through your reply Alan, so if I understand correctly, you say the “shore power cable” coming from the boat is ok for 32 Amp. But the small extension I have is not, so I just need to replace that (with a thicker cable)?

Thanks for all of your reply.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@yahoo.fr [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 6:25 PM


 









That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a
dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the
breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the
same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've
done it !
CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for your reply, just reading your post now.

Sincerely , Alexandre


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On Wed, 8/17/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 8:46 PM


 









I can not speak for the newer boats, but on my boat
the installed transformer is most certainly NOT an isolation
transformer.
The safety ground is continuous
through the unit, which it would not be on an isolation
transformer.

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieNarragansett Bay, RI“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:49, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Hi,
My understanding is that if an
'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as
there is no potentional earth return circuit between the
boat and shore power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for
preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive
and heaviest.
Regards
Mike & Peta
SM 2K 461Solitude

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at
3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Hi
again Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated
transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a
galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may
already be protected????Kent


From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday,
August 17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation

 Good
morning Kent, 

Our vessel are similar.  

And if you look at all the
pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace
the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this
is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the
Galvanic Isolator.  

Therefore, that box
“intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the
Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the
box on top of the forward bulkhead).  
If I did not had
that box, then the first connection would have been the
automatic switch above the genset.  

As Derick mentioned and was
thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is
not protected.  
Not a problem as I
don’t use the 100 volt power.  
By Connecting its
earth to the domino, it will be.  
And the Big cubical
white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic
Isolator.  

Would love to hear back from
Olivier on my set-up

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/16/16,
Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday,
August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM


 









Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly
close to my #243.
I'm not on
the
boat, so
writing this from memory.  If I've left
something out or am still
clueless about something, please
chime in.
 If Nikimat is like
Kristy, the 110AC
shore power will go directly to a box on
the forward bulkhead, up against
the cockpit floor.  It
terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker
there.  From the breaker,
it goes to your 110->220 AC
transformer.  On Kristy the
transformer is a cubical box on
the forward end of the shelf
above the generator.The converted
220AC
power
output (which will be the same frequency as the input,
60Hz) then goes back
to the box on the bulkhead to a female
plug marked "220 via the
transformer" (sorry,
it's inFrench and I can't
remember it exactly).  To
use 110 shore power, you have to
insert the male plug in
this receptacle. (For 220 shore
power it has to be plugged
into the other receptacle on the
front of that box marked
2"20AC Sur Le
Quai".From either receptacle,
it then goes to the automatic
switch which chooses generator
power over shore power.  This is
above the generator. I
don't remember how it is
marked.  There is another box
near there marked 220AC that has
the relays for the Air
Conditioners that turn on the
220AC raw water pump which
cools all three A/C units.From
that automatic
switch, all 220AC power goes to
the 220 breakers in the
galley.
If you have a 220
inverter, power goes from it to
the 220 panel receptacles
and microwave breakers.  I think
others have a little
different set up with the
inverter.
In a
post a year or so
ago, Olivier suggested that you
could cover both 220AC and
110AC shore power by putting the
galvanic isolator in the
ground wire that goes from the
box on the forward bulkhead
in the engine room to the
automatic switch above the
generator.  My understanding is
that the 110->220
transformer is an "isolation
transformer", and
having it between the shore power
and the galvanic isolator
is not a problem.  The only
other item that is between
shore power and the galvanic
isolator with this placement is
the 110 breaker in the box on the
forward engine room
bulkhead.
Hop that
helpsKentSM243Kristy

Sent from my
iPhone
On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58
PM, Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Derick, 



Thanks for the compliment and
also to pay attention to the
details!!!  



You are totally correct,
currently only the 220 volt is
connected.  

Electricity is my weakest
subject, so building confidence! 




I was just thinking last night
the same thing you mentioned!


The 110 Volt earth should fit
inside the electric
“domino”.  



My 110 volt doesn’t have any
shore plug… I need to open
the box and look at what color
cable I have and see where
they go.  



Do you have both shore
power?  

If so what good options could be
good to have?  



I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?  

http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png



Does any of you have other plug
for European, South
American, etc. Marinas?  



Once I take the pictures, i will
make a post just for it.



Thanks again, sincerely,
Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
illustration of the
Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016,
1:23 PM





 



















Alexandre,

Nicely illustrated, as always.

 Thank you for the instructive
pictures!

I note that the way
you have hooked

up the galvanic isolator, only
the 230V shore line is

isolated.  The 110V shore line
is not (yet) protected.

 You can protect the 110V shore
line using the same

isolator by hooking it up
similarly simultaneously.

 Disconnect the 110V ground from
the common post in the

box, and connect it to the input
side of the galvanic

isolator using the same
connection point as the 230V
shore

ground and you have done it!
 (I.e. Change your 2-wire

connector to a three-wire
connector.)

That way you are
protected no matter

which shore line you use!

Derick

GatesSM2K#400Currently on the
hard in

Antigua for
hurricane season



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mike,

This is a great news!

Bill (SM#160, Harmonie) is trying to obtain information on the originally installed Scheiber transformer.

Out of curiosity: which make/model of Galvanic Isolator did you purchase?

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Wed, 8/17/16, MICHAEL JOHNSON mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 7:35 PM


 










Hi
Alexandre,
From the
website it would appear to be an isolation transformer.
 When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team
were very helpful with technical information.  Suggest you
email them with specific questions about the isolation
transformer.
Mike
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration
of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



  Thanks for
the reply Mike,

Do you
know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an
'isolation transformer?

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM


 










Hi,
My
understanding is that if an
'isolation
transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not
required as
there is no potentional earth
return circuit between the
boat and shore
power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for preventing
galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive
and
heaviest.
Regards
Mike & Peta
SM 2K
461Solitude

Get Outlook
for iOS





On Wed, Aug 17, 2016
at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























 







Hi
again
Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V
transformer is an isolated
transformer and
thus doesn't need to be protected by a

galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore
power may
already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August

17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic
Isolator
Installation



 









Good
morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if
you look at all the pictures I posted, especially
Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the
automatic
switch above the genset as this
is where I remember Olivier
mentioned to
connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore,
that box “intimidates” me… and I felt

logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very
first
connection (which is the box on top
of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box,
then the first connection would
have been
the automatic switch above the genset.




As
Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night:
currently the 110 shore power is not
protected.

Not a
problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to
the domino, it will be.


And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and
not
before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my
set-up




Alexandre




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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent
Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic
Isolator Installation


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, August 16,
2016, 6:10 PM





 




















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If
I've left

something
out or am still clueless about something,

please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore
power will go directly to a box
on

the forward bulkhead, up
against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.
 From the
breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.
 On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward
end of the
shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be
the same frequency as the
input,

60Hz) then goes back to the
box on the bulkhead to a
female

plug marked "220 via
the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it
exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the
male plug in

this
receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged


into the other receptacle on the front of that box
marked


2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the
automatic switch which chooses
generator

power over shore power.
 This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There
is another
box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays
for the Air

Conditioners
that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which


cools all three A/C units.From that
automatic

switch, all
220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the


galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220
panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have
a little

different set
up with the inverter.

In
a post a year or so

ago,
Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC
shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the

ground
wire that goes from the box on the forward

bulkhead

in the engine
room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the
110->220

transformer
is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore
power and the galvanic
isolator

is not a problem.  The
only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with
this placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward
engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that


helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent
from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 














Good afternoon
Derick,







Thanks
for the compliment and also to pay attention to
the


details!!!







You are
totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so
building confidence!










I was
just thinking last night the same thing you

mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the
electric

“domino”.








My 110 volt doesn’t have
any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at what
color cable I have and see
where

they go.








Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to
have?







I assume
the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other
plug for European, South


American, etc. Marinas?








Once I
take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.







Thanks
again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan,
Puerto Rico








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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration
of the

Galvanic Isolator
Installation



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 









































Alexandre,



Nicely
illustrated, as always.




 Thank you for the
instructive pictures!




I note that the way
you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator,
only the 230V shore line is




isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using
the same



isolator by hooking it up
similarly simultaneously.




 Disconnect the 110V
ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to the input side of the
galvanic



isolator using the same
connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done
it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire




connector to a three-wire connector.)



That
way you are protected no matter



which
shore line you use!



Derick





GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua
for hurricane season








































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

Herbert Lackner
 

Paul,

as far as I know the old control unit (ST7000) works with the new computer but it is not possile to calibrate the new course computer with the old unit.

The wrong compass reading (180 degrees) show that the system has not been calibrated, normally on the SM and SN the compass is installed looking to stern. During setup this has to be configured in the calibration.

When I changed the old course computer I also changed to control untit and left the ST7000 as a spare on board, all other functions will work with that unit.

changing only the course computer without running the calibration will result exactly in what you described...

fair winds, herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, Trinidad


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Annsofie, we where told that the old control unit would work, but we bought an other one to have as a spare, I will install the new one and see if it's improve. 
Bill concerning calibration it did not work out when tried, but do not think thats the problem as it sometimes steer the boat very well for many hours, will try again to calibrate when the new control head is installed

Thank you
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi Paul
Not sure of the old control unit is compatible with the s3g course computer. We have the s3g and was deply advised to change the control unit also. It has worked like a clock.

Regards
Annsofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

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18 aug. 2016 kl. 01:51 skrev 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Paul,

You did not say whether or not you went through the Calibrations in the S3G manual after you installed it. From what you said, my first thought is maybe you did not.

My second thought is that you have some metal near the Raymarine FluxGate Compass. It is locate in the corner of the dining seating Port Side and Forward. Metal in the storage areas near this will have the same sort of issue you had.

My last thought is that you may have a loose wire on the S3G...either the rudder reference connection or the fluxgate connection. Inspect the wires very carefully.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:15 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The other day we change our old Autohelm type 300 course computer to a Raymarine S3G, still keeping the old Autohelm ST 7000 control unit. It all started very well it kept the course very straight and had no problem even though the wave was rather high and wind only moderate, except that the compass reading was almost 180 degree wrong. 

Then after a while the Autopilot goes totally berserk, steering away totally uncontrolled, we put it in stand by and then Auto again it worked fine for ca 24 h, then berserk again.

When later at harbor we notice that in Stand by mode the compass suddenly gave reading all over the place, it change every second all over the 360 degree, not strange that it does not steer well.

 Does anyone have experienced similar behavior? Anyone know the remedy for such behavior?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 currently in Gibraltar




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I can not speak for the newer boats, but on my boat the installed transformer is most certainly NOT an isolation transformer.

The safety ground is continuous through the unit, which it would not be on an isolation transformer.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Narragansett Bay, RI
“Ships and men rot in port."
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On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:49, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi,

My understanding is that if an 'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as there is no potentional earth return circuit between the boat and shore power.

http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html

it is the best option for preventing galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and heaviest.

Regards

Mike & Peta

SM 2K 461
Solitude

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com <mailto:karkauai@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Hi again Alex.
I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator. Maybe someone can expound on that theory. If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????
Kent


From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation


Good morning Kent,

Our vessel are similar.

And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator.

Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead).
If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset.

As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected.
Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.
By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be.
And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator.

Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up

Alexandre

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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com <mailto:karkauai@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM












Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly
close to my #243.
I'm not on the
boat, so writing this from memory. If I've left
something out or am still clueless about something, please
chime in.
If Nikimat is like
Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on
the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor. It
terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there. From the breaker,
it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer. On Kristy the
transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf
above the generator.The converted 220AC
power output (which will be the same frequency as the input,
60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female
plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry,
it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly). To
use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in
this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged
into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked
2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,
it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator
power over shore power. This is above the generator. I
don't remember how it is marked. There is another box
near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air
Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which
cools all three A/C units.From that automatic
switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the
galley.
If you have a 220
inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles
and microwave breakers. I think others have a little
different set up with the inverter.
In a post a year or so
ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and
110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the
ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead
in the engine room to the automatic switch above the
generator. My understanding is that the 110->220
transformer is an "isolation transformer", and
having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator
is not a problem. The only other item that is between
shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is
the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room
bulkhead.
Hop that
helpsKentSM243Kristy

Sent from my
iPhone
On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58
PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
wrote:























Good afternoon Derick,



Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the
details!!!



You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is
connected.

Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence!




I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned!


The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric
“domino”.



My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open
the box and look at what color cable I have and see where
they go.



Do you have both shore power?

If so what good options could be good to have?



I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?

http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png



Does any of you have other plug for European, South
American, etc. Marinas?



Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it.



Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net <mailto:derickgates@comcast.net>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM

























Alexandre,

Nicely illustrated, as always.

Thank you for the instructive pictures!

I note that the way you have hooked

up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is

isolated. The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.

You can protect the 110V shore line using the same

isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously.

Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the

box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic

isolator using the same connection point as the 230V
shore

ground and you have done it! (I.e. Change your 2-wire

connector to a three-wire connector.)

That way you are protected no matter

which shore line you use!

Derick

GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in

Antigua for hurricane season



















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Re: Lofrans Winch Mounting

Duane Siegfri
 

Many thanks to all who replied.  I see no reason to remove the inner clutch cone at this point and plan to keep the cones greased on a six to 12 month basis.  

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Alexandre,
From the website it would appear to be an isolation transformer.  When I purchased my galvanic isolator the support team were very helpful with technical information.  Suggest you email them with specific questions about the isolation transformer.
Mike
_____________________________
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>


 

Thanks for the reply Mike,

Do you know if the 110-220 Volt transformer is for sure an 'isolation transformer?

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@btinternet.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM


 









Hi,
My understanding is that if an
'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as
there is no potentional earth return circuit between the
boat and shore power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for preventing
galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and
heaviest.
Regards
Mike & Peta
SM 2K 461Solitude
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016
at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























 






Hi
again Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated
transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a
galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may
already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August
17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation


 









Good
morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially
Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic
switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier
mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt
logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first
connection (which is the box on top of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box, then the first connection would
have been the automatic switch above the genset.



As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night:
currently the 110 shore power is not protected.

Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be.

And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not
before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up



Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM





 



















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If I've left

something out or am still clueless about something,
please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box
on

the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.  From the
breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.  On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the
shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be the same frequency as the
input,

60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a
female

plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in

this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged

into the other receptacle on the front of that box
marked

2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses
generator

power over shore power.  This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There is another
box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air

Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which

cools all three A/C units.From that automatic

switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the

galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have a little

different set up with the inverter.

In a post a year or so

ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the

ground wire that goes from the box on the forward
bulkhead

in the engine room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the 110->220

transformer is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore power and the galvanic
isolator

is not a problem.  The only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that

helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon Derick,







Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to
the

details!!!







You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence!










I was just thinking last night the same thing you
mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric

“domino”.







My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at what color cable I have and see
where

they go.







Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to have?







I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other plug for European, South

American, etc. Marinas?







Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.







Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@comcast.net

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the

Galvanic Isolator Installation



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 







































Alexandre,



Nicely illustrated, as always.



 Thank you for the instructive pictures!



I note that the way you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is



isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using the same



isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously.



 Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic



isolator using the same connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire



connector to a three-wire connector.)



That way you are protected no matter



which shore line you use!



Derick



GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua for hurricane season







































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot problem

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

You did not say whether or not you went through the Calibrations in the S3G manual after you installed it. From what you said, my first thought is maybe you did not.

My second thought is that you have some metal near the Raymarine FluxGate Compass. It is locate in the corner of the dining seating Port Side and Forward. Metal in the storage areas near this will have the same sort of issue you had.

My last thought is that you may have a loose wire on the S3G...either the rudder reference connection or the fluxgate connection. Inspect the wires very carefully.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:15 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The other day we change our old Autohelm type 300 course computer to a Raymarine S3G, still keeping the old Autohelm ST 7000 control unit. It all started very well it kept the course very straight and had no problem even though the wave was rather high and wind only moderate, except that the compass reading was almost 180 degree wrong. 

Then after a while the Autopilot goes totally berserk, steering away totally uncontrolled, we put it in stand by and then Auto again it worked fine for ca 24 h, then berserk again.

When later at harbor we notice that in Stand by mode the compass suddenly gave reading all over the place, it change every second all over the 360 degree, not strange that it does not steer well.

 Does anyone have experienced similar behavior? Anyone know the remedy for such behavior?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 currently in Gibraltar




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Alexandre,
Maybe I have confused the issue a bit.....
The 16A limit is for the shorepower because of the plug...and the size of the cable you have on your extension lead.
The gen set can deliver around 30A, that's why the breaker is 32A...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Noumea


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

Alan Leslie
 

That's true but if you try to draw 30A from a dock outlet that is only rated to 16A, you will trip the breaker on the dock..If you run too many 220V items at the same time you can easily exceed 16A.....I know, I've done it !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Noumea


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.

eric freedman