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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks, Bill. I also thought that the check valve would keep water from back-flowing in pounding seas.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

HI Bill

 

Many thanks – that makes a lot of sense

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 7 September 2016 16:17
To: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

 

 

There is a good reason to use a non-return valve in this application, although it took a little thinking about it before I realized what it is, and it has nothing to do with the outlet side of the pump.

 

The suction side of the pump shares a saltwater feed with many other pumps.  Engine cooling, toilet, watermaker, etc.  If there was a restriction in the suction side of the system anywhere, say a partially clogged intake screen, a vacuum would be drawn and water would flow backwards through the AC pump. This would eventually allow air into the system and break prime for everything. 

 

The AC pump is a centrifugal pump and would offer no resistance to back flow when it is off.  Most of the other pumps are, more or less, positive displacement pumps and backflow would be either restricted or impossible.

 

So, Climmia support is right, the check valve is a potential clog point, reduces flow, and can fail, but it is the small price we have to pay for having a single hole in our hulls!

 

A take home message is if you are having trouble with raw water feed, remember why that check valve is there and what can happen if it jams open with a tiny piece of trash.

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Newport, RI, USA

“Ships and men rot in port."

 

 

 

 

On Sep 7, 2016, at 09:55, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I just put a March magnet drive and kept the non return valve. It works fine, kept the ground wire attached. Very quite and does not get hot.

Bought from Florida, shipped to France. Less than 300€. Came with fittings.

Barry and Penelope

AMEL 54. #17


On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Our AC pump stopped working and I am just about to replace this with an Argal Magnet driven pump recommended by Climma – the original pump has a brass non-return valve fitted to its outlet – and I presume that this has a purpose. The pump suppliers tell me that this is not required on the new pump and recommend not installing this because of their tendency to get blocked, unless there is a specific installation reason such as a shared outlet. I was wondering if anyone knows why Amel have installed this – as far as I can work out the outlet is dedicated for the AC water circuit.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

 

 

 



Contacting Amel

James Sterling
 

Can anyone tell me the procedure for ordering parts from Amel?  We've tried for the last month to get a response from them by email to no avail.  They simply don't respond.  There was no particular hurry to justify a phone call but that's next.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

HI Bill

 

Many thanks – that makes a lot of sense

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 7 September 2016 16:17
To: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

 

 

There is a good reason to use a non-return valve in this application, although it took a little thinking about it before I realized what it is, and it has nothing to do with the outlet side of the pump.

 

The suction side of the pump shares a saltwater feed with many other pumps.  Engine cooling, toilet, watermaker, etc.  If there was a restriction in the suction side of the system anywhere, say a partially clogged intake screen, a vacuum would be drawn and water would flow backwards through the AC pump. This would eventually allow air into the system and break prime for everything. 

 

The AC pump is a centrifugal pump and would offer no resistance to back flow when it is off.  Most of the other pumps are, more or less, positive displacement pumps and backflow would be either restricted or impossible.

 

So, Climmia support is right, the check valve is a potential clog point, reduces flow, and can fail, but it is the small price we have to pay for having a single hole in our hulls!

 

A take home message is if you are having trouble with raw water feed, remember why that check valve is there and what can happen if it jams open with a tiny piece of trash.

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Newport, RI, USA

“Ships and men rot in port."

 

 

 

 

On Sep 7, 2016, at 09:55, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I just put a March magnet drive and kept the non return valve. It works fine, kept the ground wire attached. Very quite and does not get hot.

Bought from Florida, shipped to France. Less than 300€. Came with fittings.

Barry and Penelope

AMEL 54. #17


On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Our AC pump stopped working and I am just about to replace this with an Argal Magnet driven pump recommended by Climma – the original pump has a brass non-return valve fitted to its outlet – and I presume that this has a purpose. The pump suppliers tell me that this is not required on the new pump and recommend not installing this because of their tendency to get blocked, unless there is a specific installation reason such as a shared outlet. I was wondering if anyone knows why Amel have installed this – as far as I can work out the outlet is dedicated for the AC water circuit.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

There is a good reason to use a non-return valve in this application, although it took a little thinking about it before I realized what it is, and it has nothing to do with the outlet side of the pump.

The suction side of the pump shares a saltwater feed with many other pumps.  Engine cooling, toilet, watermaker, etc.  If there was a restriction in the suction side of the system anywhere, say a partially clogged intake screen, a vacuum would be drawn and water would flow backwards through the AC pump. This would eventually allow air into the system and break prime for everything. 

The AC pump is a centrifugal pump and would offer no resistance to back flow when it is off.  Most of the other pumps are, more or less, positive displacement pumps and backflow would be either restricted or impossible.

So, Climmia support is right, the check valve is a potential clog point, reduces flow, and can fail, but it is the small price we have to pay for having a single hole in our hulls!

A take home message is if you are having trouble with raw water feed, remember why that check valve is there and what can happen if it jams open with a tiny piece of trash.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Newport, RI, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 7, 2016, at 09:55, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I just put a March magnet drive and kept the non return valve. It works fine, kept the ground wire attached. Very quite and does not get hot.
Bought from Florida, shipped to France. Less than 300€. Came with fittings.
Barry and Penelope
AMEL 54. #17


On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our AC pump stopped working and I am just about to replace this with an Argal Magnet driven pump recommended by Climma – the original pump has a brass non-return valve fitted to its outlet – and I presume that this has a purpose. The pump suppliers tell me that this is not required on the new pump and recommend not installing this because of their tendency to get blocked, unless there is a specific installation reason such as a shared outlet. I was wondering if anyone knows why Amel have installed this – as far as I can work out the outlet is dedicated for the AC water circuit.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma pump non return valve

Barry Connor
 

I just put a March magnet drive and kept the non return valve. It works fine, kept the ground wire attached. Very quite and does not get hot.
Bought from Florida, shipped to France. Less than 300€. Came with fittings.
Barry and Penelope
AMEL 54. #17


On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our AC pump stopped working and I am just about to replace this with an Argal Magnet driven pump recommended by Climma – the original pump has a brass non-return valve fitted to its outlet – and I presume that this has a purpose. The pump suppliers tell me that this is not required on the new pump and recommend not installing this because of their tendency to get blocked, unless there is a specific installation reason such as a shared outlet. I was wondering if anyone knows why Amel have installed this – as far as I can work out the outlet is dedicated for the AC water circuit.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM for sale

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have never seen your Super Maramu, but since she has had very good owners since 2006, this Super Maramu is certainly a very good boat and will make her new owner very happy.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 7, 2016 6:15 AM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

https://sailinglife.se/vi-saljer-lady-annila-amel-super-maramu-1998/

 

 

Regards

Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

In Portimão, Portugal

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

Patrick McAneny
 

I just got an email from Maud , She said they were supplied to Amel by Pochon , but did not know who manufactured them . I email her contact there to see if a replacement is available . Thanks for the input.
Pat SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

 
Ben

It is only a Raymarine cover...nothing else is Raymarine. 

Pat,

It was made for Amel by Pochon in France...they no longer make it, but may repair it. Probably any electronics guy can repair it because the control box is fairly simple. The part that fails seems to always be the sensor which is made by IFM Efector, Inc - IFM.com‎. The original sensor was model number IB5076, which has been replaced with model number IB5124. Follow this link and order one for $110: http://www.ifm.com/products/us/ds/IB5124.htm

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
My chain counter display is Raymarine.  Not sure internally its Raymarine but display cover is such. 

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Bill greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
The chain counter on our boat had been replaced by a model from Quick.  It's not quite a "drop-in" replacement, but is a nice piece of equipment.

A Quick CHC1202M. Like this:

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Narragansett Bay, RI, USA


On Sep 6, 2016, at 17:22, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Pat

Our Chain counter also stopped working I made contact with Pochon who do not make these anymore but can repair them - email is accueilsavlr 'at ' pochon.com

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472


On 6 Sep 2016, at 23:19, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Alan, I looked through the Pochon Catalogue , it looked like they are a distributor of thousands of marine products , but I could not find the chain counter.Do you know that they manufacture , rather than just sell ? I figure the Z has to stand for something.
Thanks,
Pat SM 123


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 4:24 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

 
They were manufactured by Pochon in France

Pochon S. A.
Avenue Michel CREPEAU78501 
17000 La Rochelle
France
Tel.: +33-546 413 053
Fax: +33-546 505 857
E-Mail:commercial@...
WEB: www.pochon.com
Mr. Didier Dupois

Good luck

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



SM for sale

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

https://sailinglife.se/vi-saljer-lady-annila-amel-super-maramu-1998/

 

 

Regards

Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

In Portimão, Portugal

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to replace the “eye” of the chain counter?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

Thanks for your reply and the pictures !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Tue, 9/6/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to replace the “eye” of the chain counter?
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016, 7:06 PM


 









The chain counter sensor is held
in place by RTV. You will need to push it out.
See this Photo Album and read the
notes published on the 2nd photo.https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1505487095

BillBeBe
387
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 5:07
PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 











Good afternoon,



I am having a little unknown…

Could you please explain to me how to change the eye of the
chain counter?

Is there a trick?

I see some silicone on mine…



If you could please look at the (7) pictures:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_
tigres_windlass_chain_counter_ eye.html

Thanks in advance!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































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Climma pump non return valve

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Our AC pump stopped working and I am just about to replace this with an Argal Magnet driven pump recommended by Climma – the original pump has a brass non-return valve fitted to its outlet – and I presume that this has a purpose. The pump suppliers tell me that this is not required on the new pump and recommend not installing this because of their tendency to get blocked, unless there is a specific installation reason such as a shared outlet. I was wondering if anyone knows why Amel have installed this – as far as I can work out the outlet is dedicated for the AC water circuit.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin Dip stick./ Fuel Guage

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill,

Very reasonable calculation.  Based on 2500 hours of use on 2 different boats with the same engine, Volvo TDM22, I calculated 2.95 l/hr at low cruise rpm (1400-1800) (5 knots).  Given the engine is 80 HP and an older generation, our figures match closely.

Enjoy your last few days with BeBe.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 7 Sep 2016, at 04:17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

I can't help you precisely, but can give you a clue. I track fuel consumption by the number of hours on the engine. I use 3.5 liters/hour for the Yanmar 100hp Turbo. Most of the RPM range between 1800 and 2000. This 3.5 liters is a 4,000 hour average and within 5% of actual each time I fill the tank.

Possibly someone with a Santorin can give you the number you need, or just start with a safe 4 liters an hour and adjust with experience.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 7:48 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The original fuel dip stick was broken in pieces so i got a new one made.  As soon as i put it in the new one snapped at the bend of the fuel fill hose.  After 3 beers and some we finally got it out.  



So what are my options for monitoring fuel level.





Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: Santorin Dip stick./ Fuel Guage

ericmeury@...
 

thanks bill...been keeping track that way for a bit now but would like to  use that as the back up from the log book.

Does the Santorin have a access port for the looking inside the fuel tank.  I know the SM has one.  

Thinking about the tank tender


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin Dip stick./ Fuel Guage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I can't help you precisely, but can give you a clue. I track fuel consumption by the number of hours on the engine. I use 3.5 liters/hour for the Yanmar 100hp Turbo. Most of the RPM range between 1800 and 2000. This 3.5 liters is a 4,000 hour average and within 5% of actual each time I fill the tank.

Possibly someone with a Santorin can give you the number you need, or just start with a safe 4 liters an hour and adjust with experience.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 7:48 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The original fuel dip stick was broken in pieces so i got a new one made.  As soon as i put it in the new one snapped at the bend of the fuel fill hose.  After 3 beers and some we finally got it out.  



So what are my options for monitoring fuel level.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

Alan Leslie
 

It was custom made for Amel
They no longer make them but I believe can repair them.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Near Koumac, New Caledonia where an Australian kite surfer was killed by a shark today !!


Bilge Ground Strap

Duane Siegfri
 

Just a thought for all you Amel Owners out there.  I cleaned the bilge today for the first time on Wanderer and found about 6 inches of the ground strap missing.  Bill Rouse has a great explanation of the replacement, just go to Photos and search for "bilge ground strap". I ordered a new copper bar from onlinemetals.com to fit the dimensions Bill gives for 1/8" x 48" copper bar.  I haven't checked but I'll bet the copper in the bilge is copper "foil", somewhat thinner than 1/8".


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477 


Santorin Dip stick./ Fuel Guage

ericmeury@...
 

The original fuel dip stick was broken in pieces so i got a new one made.  As soon as i put it in the new one snapped at the bend of the fuel fill hose.  After 3 beers and some we finally got it out.  


So what are my options for monitoring fuel level.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben

It is only a Raymarine cover...nothing else is Raymarine. 

Pat,

It was made for Amel by Pochon in France...they no longer make it, but may repair it. Probably any electronics guy can repair it because the control box is fairly simple. The part that fails seems to always be the sensor which is made by IFM Efector, Inc - IFM.com‎. The original sensor was model number IB5076, which has been replaced with model number IB5124. Follow this link and order one for $110: http://www.ifm.com/products/us/ds/IB5124.htm

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

My chain counter display is Raymarine.  Not sure internally its Raymarine but display cover is such. 

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Bill greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The chain counter on our boat had been replaced by a model from Quick.  It's not quite a "drop-in" replacement, but is a nice piece of equipment.

A Quick CHC1202M. Like this:

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Narragansett Bay, RI, USA


On Sep 6, 2016, at 17:22, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Pat

Our Chain counter also stopped working I made contact with Pochon who do not make these anymore but can repair them - email is accueilsavlr 'at ' pochon.com

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472


On 6 Sep 2016, at 23:19, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Alan, I looked through the Pochon Catalogue , it looked like they are a distributor of thousands of marine products , but I could not find the chain counter.Do you know that they manufacture , rather than just sell ? I figure the Z has to stand for something.
Thanks,
Pat SM 123


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 4:24 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

 
They were manufactured by Pochon in France

Pochon S. A.
Avenue Michel CREPEAU78501 
17000 La Rochelle
France
Tel.: +33-546 413 053
Fax: +33-546 505 857
E-Mail:commercial@...
WEB: www.pochon.com
Mr. Didier Dupois

Good luck

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] How to replace the “eye” of the chain counter?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The chain counter sensor is held in place by RTV. You will need to push it out.

See this Photo Album and read the notes published on the 2nd photo.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Good afternoon,

I am having a little unknown…
Could you please explain to me how to change the eye of the chain counter?
Is there a trick?
I see some silicone on mine…

If you could please look at the (7) pictures:
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_chain_counter_eye.html
Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

My chain counter display is Raymarine.  Not sure internally its Raymarine but display cover is such. 

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Bill greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The chain counter on our boat had been replaced by a model from Quick.  It's not quite a "drop-in" replacement, but is a nice piece of equipment.

A Quick CHC1202M. Like this:

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Narragansett Bay, RI, USA


On Sep 6, 2016, at 17:22, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Pat

Our Chain counter also stopped working I made contact with Pochon who do not make these anymore but can repair them - email is accueilsavlr 'at ' pochon.com

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472


On 6 Sep 2016, at 23:19, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alan, I looked through the Pochon Catalogue , it looked like they are a distributor of thousands of marine products , but I could not find the chain counter.Do you know that they manufacture , rather than just sell ? I figure the Z has to stand for something.
Thanks,
Pat SM 123


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 4:24 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter

 
They were manufactured by Pochon in France

Pochon S. A.
Avenue Michel CREPEAU78501 
17000 La Rochelle
France
Tel.: +33-546 413 053
Fax: +33-546 505 857
E-Mail:commercial@...
WEB: www.pochon.com
Mr. Didier Dupois

Good luck

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


[Amel Yacht Owners] How to replace the “eye” of the chain counter?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

I am having a little unknown…
Could you please explain to me how to change the eye of the chain counter?
Is there a trick?
I see some silicone on mine…

If you could please look at the (7) pictures:
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_chain_counter_eye.html
Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico