It's interesting about the anchor. I have had problems
with it dragging, but not more than one would expect
with a CQR. Generally I would say "satisfactory".
However, the shank bent in strong/shifting winds and
that was a surprise; I wouldn't have expected it.
Regards, Claude Roessiger
--- pagandaisy <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Just back from a passage from Tortola to Grenada on
a new Doyle
jenny. Very competitively priced, it replaced my
delaminated original
sail. A very good sail indeed! Doyle, in the
Caribbean is a
pleasure to deal with.

As to logos as someone else stated, don't let the
kids play in the
engine compartment. But I'd like to know if on the
newer SM's the
cushions are still velcroed into place: a terrible
situation in the
dining area. Any suggestions for an improvement.
Also, after almost
eight years when the only maintenance on my
watermaker, even after
absences of as long as 6 months, was a weekly rinse
(with no ill
effects)the person watching my boat pickled the
membranes. He
states I should run 1/2 hr with the tap in the
galley open before
using the water. It would seem to me rinsing for
some length of time
would be sufficient. Comments please.

I don't understand how anyone could have any
problems dealing with m.
Selo. I've been doing so for as long as I've had
Amel's, almost 20
years, with nothing but first class service.

I shipped over a large crate of equipment when
having Pagan built.
Also no problem. Just ship as Amel tells you to.

About that stainless steel anchor (assuming it's the
same one I got 8
years ago): I couldn't get it to hold in La Coruna.
The first time I
used it in the Caribbean it dragged. The second
time it hung up on a
rock and bent. Obviously I knew what to do with it.
Friends who
know the anchor universally refer to it as "The
Slippery Anchor."

To those of you in the Caribbean predictions are for
5 large
hurricanes this year (as if you didn't know
already). Yes, Grenada is
a good place to leave your boat--much better than
the hard.)

Arnold

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Just back from a passage from Tortola to Grenada on a new Doyle
jenny. Very competitively priced, it replaced my delaminated original
sail. A very good sail indeed! Doyle, in the Caribbean is a
pleasure to deal with.

As to logos as someone else stated, don't let the kids play in the
engine compartment. But I'd like to know if on the newer SM's the
cushions are still velcroed into place: a terrible situation in the
dining area. Any suggestions for an improvement. Also, after almost
eight years when the only maintenance on my watermaker, even after
absences of as long as 6 months, was a weekly rinse (with no ill
effects)the person watching my boat pickled the membranes. He
states I should run 1/2 hr with the tap in the galley open before
using the water. It would seem to me rinsing for some length of time
would be sufficient. Comments please.

I don't understand how anyone could have any problems dealing with m.
Selo. I've been doing so for as long as I've had Amel's, almost 20
years, with nothing but first class service.

I shipped over a large crate of equipment when having Pagan built.
Also no problem. Just ship as Amel tells you to.

About that stainless steel anchor (assuming it's the same one I got 8
years ago): I couldn't get it to hold in La Coruna. The first time I
used it in the Caribbean it dragged. The second time it hung up on a
rock and bent. Obviously I knew what to do with it. Friends who
know the anchor universally refer to it as "The Slippery Anchor."

To those of you in the Caribbean predictions are for 5 large
hurricanes this year (as if you didn't know already). Yes, Grenada is
a good place to leave your boat--much better than the hard.)

Arnold

HI I have a 5 year old daughter who finds ways to drop almost
anything that is in her hands.

As long as they dont play in the engine room there is no way to clog
the bildge pump. The cockpit scuppers are so big that most legos will
be washed overboard. I would worry more about the woodwork and
apolstery. Wich cleans up nicely.

Vito
ASM #283
Wanderer


--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "tabnchuck" <c.luecker@v...> wrote:

Chuck and I are getting down to the niity-gritty now that we take
delivery of our boat in 6 months...Has anyone had experience with
legos on board (yes, the children's building toy)? we know they

can

clog bilges on other boats but before we deny our boys one of their
favorite pastimes, we thought we'd check with other owners.

Also, any experiences with shipping "stuff" (equipment, tools,
personal items) to La Rochelle?

Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Tabitha S/V Revelation

Chuck and I are getting down to the niity-gritty now that we take
delivery of our boat in 6 months...Has anyone had experience with
legos on board (yes, the children's building toy)? we know they can
clog bilges on other boats but before we deny our boys one of their
favorite pastimes, we thought we'd check with other owners.

Also, any experiences with shipping "stuff" (equipment, tools,
personal items) to La Rochelle?

Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Tabitha S/V Revelation

Dimitris,
I take delivery of Kimberlite June 22 in La Rochelle.
What options did you take?
Fair Winds,
Eric

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "elenaxara" <dkra@p...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

well,
just got back from La R and saw the new kimberlite almost

finished.

i had a wonderful time with Jean-Jacques including a fabulous

lunch.

My thanks to all my friends at amel.

they have made a few changes since i saw the boat with Joel.

there

is now a shelf at the top of the wet locker and a shelf across

the

top of the nav station just below the code marin board.
they also now have 13 batteries in the battery locker. i am sure
they changed many more things that i didn't notice. they also

did

a

beautiful job fitting my weather fax on the shelf to starboard

of

the companionway.

speak to you all soon
eric freedman- kimberlite sm#376

Dear Eric,

When are going to take delivery of your boat?
I am flying to Hyeres next week.

Dimitris

The SM is a wonderful boat, fast and able in almost
all sea conditions. I can't compare it to the
Santorin, but compared to the Maramu it sails
consistently faster--in fact from the moment you have
12-15 kts of wind the SM just seems to fix 8 kts or
better boatspeed--and does not slow through waves. It
does take a great deal more spray! But, there is one
thing: I found the Gateff factory sails poorly cut,
unacceptably so. I have had them re-cut, which is a
temporary fix. This boat deserves really good sails
and that will be next, probably Doyle, maybe North. I
really like the way Doyle cuts sails, but in the past
there were durability issues with Doyle inappropriate
to a cruising boat.
--- Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@pcsystems.gr> wrote:

Dear All,

We were the owner of an Amel Santorin by name "
Aeolian Fantasy" and we are
going to take delivery of a New SM 2000 in Hyeres
next week. The name of the
boat is "ALMA LIBRE". If you wish you can see our
web site www.almalibre.gr
<http://www.almalibre.gr> to find out more about
us.

I am very interested to receive information from
previous Santorin owners
that have upgraded to the SM 2000 . Is it really
sailing better? We were
extremely happy with the Santorin and I am anxious
to know how much better
the SM is.

Regards



Dimitrios Krassopoulos
Athens-Greece





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The CQR gives satisfactory to very good holding in
most bottom conditions. I carry a Bruce as a back-up
or stern anchor, with 100 meters of line and 10 meters
of chain. In 95% of all situations the supplied anchor
will do the job well. The supplied chain (50 meters)
is short for my taste. I would favor 75 meters at
least and accept the bow weight penalty. I know many
anchor 3:1 on chain. I favor 5:1 if I have any doubt
about conditions, or 4:1 otherwise. Regards, Claude
Roessiger
--- Dimitrios Krassopoulos <dkra@pcsystems.gr> wrote:

Dear All;

As I am going to be in Hyeres next week to take my
SM2000 I want to know
if the stailless steel anchor they provide has good
holding. Can you
help me on that? I was asking for a Delta but I was
convinced that the
35 Kg CQR is sufficient. How long is the chain they
supply? What do you
think?

Should I ask for something that can be done during
the training period?

Dimitris


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--- In amelyachtowners@y..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

well,
just got back from La R and saw the new kimberlite almost finished.
i had a wonderful time with Jean-Jacques including a fabulous

lunch.

My thanks to all my friends at amel.

they have made a few changes since i saw the boat with Joel. there
is now a shelf at the top of the wet locker and a shelf across the
top of the nav station just below the code marin board.
they also now have 13 batteries in the battery locker. i am sure
they changed many more things that i didn't notice. they also did

a

beautiful job fitting my weather fax on the shelf to starboard of
the companionway.

speak to you all soon
eric freedman- kimberlite sm#376

Dear Eric,

When are going to take delivery of your boat?
I am flying to Hyeres next week.

Dimitris

Bob and Laurie Wright:

We ordered the gasket that you are referring to from Amel and had no
problems with customs, etc. Language barrier was not an issue as we
dealt with all communications via email... Did as Joel's wife
instructed us to do. She gave great advice just like Joel. The only
thing I would say is order enough for two refits as the shipping was
more than the gasket. The gasket was about 45.00 US but the shipping
was 90.00 US Fed Ex. But we couldn"t find anything similar in our
research here in US. Installation was easy! And it works just like
it's supposed to. No water leaks!

Delores & Gene Carter

Dear All;

As I am going to be in Hyeres next week to take my SM2000 I want to know
if the stailless steel anchor they provide has good holding. Can you
help me on that? I was asking for a Delta but I was convinced that the
35 Kg CQR is sufficient. How long is the chain they supply? What do you
think?

Should I ask for something that can be done during the training period?

Dimitris

Hello Bob and Laurie,

I am all but 101% sure that the rubber seal strip used at the base of the
companionway slide board is the same one today on the Super Maramu, as it
was on the Maramu. If you describe it as above when inquiring of Amel, they
will know what it is. You can email your request to Colette at amel@amel.fr
in the Apres Vende Department. She speaks English at least as well as I do.

An alternate source would be a GOOD automotive trim/upholstery shop. I have
seen window seal strips (such as on my 1996 Chevy Impala) that look very
much like what you seek.

Good hunting.
Joel F. Potter
Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Shearwater is a 1984 Maramu, and we're undergoing a huge refit, one
very small part of which was replacing the companionway vertical
sliding door. The problem we've encountered is the deterioration of
the rubber gasket which goes along the bottom of the door sill, so
water running down the outside of the door goes aft over the sill
into the cockpit, rather than into the door's "pocket" and thence
eventually into the bilge. Any idea of where to get the same or
similar gasket, short of trying to deal directly with Amel? Our
prior efforts with them have been frustrating due to the language
barrier, as well as contending with US Customs.

Bob and Laurie Wright

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., mcgosprey2000 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

Listmates:
My SM 2000 has developed what looks like a grease leak beneath the
furling motor for the genny. It appears as black spots under the
motor on the forestay.

Don't panic!!! Don't undo anything. The grease that you are seeing
is grease that the factory used to slide the foil onto the forestay.
It is NOT coming from the furling motor. The only problem is that it
is very unsightly and all you have to do is clean up the mess.
This is the information that was given to me by M. Selo when I
visited the factory last summer.
Peter V. Weston SM 248

Dear All,

We were the owner of an Amel Santorin by name " Aeolian Fantasy" and we are
going to take delivery of a New SM 2000 in Hyeres next week. The name of the
boat is "ALMA LIBRE". If you wish you can see our web site www.almalibre.gr
<http://www.almalibre.gr> to find out more about us.

I am very interested to receive information from previous Santorin owners
that have upgraded to the SM 2000 . Is it really sailing better? We were
extremely happy with the Santorin and I am anxious to know how much better
the SM is.

Regards



Dimitrios Krassopoulos
Athens-Greece

Dear Michael,

The roller furling headstay extrusion is packed with grease when first
installed. What you are seeing is this grease finding it's way out of the
bottom of the extrusion. It's quite common.

There is enough grease in the extrusion to last approximately five years.
Coincidentally, you should take the entire rig down every five years for
maintenance and a through inspection. Many insurance companies are now
requiring replacement of the standing rigging every ten years and a take
down inspection every five years. It's just a good idea. Unless you notice
a marked decrease in performance of your furling, I'm sure your problem is
as I have described and, other than being messy, it's not really a problem.
Best Regards,
Joel F. Potter
Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Listmates:
My SM 2000 has developed what looks like a grease leak beneath the
furling motor for the genny. It appears as black spots under the
motor on the forestay. I suspect a failing seal of some type.
Before I open up the genny furling motor, does anyone have any sage
advice or similar experiences. Thanks
Michael Glass
"Second Call"
mglass@rapplaw.com
West Islip, NY

well,
just got back from La R and saw the new kimberlite almost finished.
i had a wonderful time with Jean-Jacques including a fabulous lunch.
My thanks to all my friends at amel.

they have made a few changes since i saw the boat with Joel. there
is now a shelf at the top of the wet locker and a shelf across the
top of the nav station just below the code marin board.
they also now have 13 batteries in the battery locker. i am sure
they changed many more things that i didn't notice. they also did a
beautiful job fitting my weather fax on the shelf to starboard of
the companionway.

speak to you all soon
eric freedman- kimberlite sm#376

Yes under the battery switch actual forward towards the bow. I
glassed a support into the stringer and removed the insulation to
located battery box next to bulkhead. I look forward to your report
on running the new propane line. How did you mount the bottles in the
back locker? Have you found a solution to the rub rail oxidization
problem?

Fairwinds

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., wbs9971@a... wrote:

Thanks for the response. I assume you installed the Optima

starting battery

in the engine room under the selector switch. As for the propane

line, we

are going to run the line sometime next week. I'll let you know

how we route

it. I am going to move the solenoid shut-off valve to the aft

locker also

for safety reasons.

...Tom

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "sv_red_red_wine" <sv_red_red_wine@y...>
wrote:

Has any one out there with a Maramu been hit with lightning, We

have

all heard Joel's answer... but what happens when the boat is hit.
Paul and Helen Camp

My Maramu was struck by lightening some years ago. The VHF antenna
vanished. The charge went through the fuses, cooked the VHF radio,
radar (it was smoking) and other electronics that were on and then
silvered the fuses. Lights on below: cooked. A friend was at the
wheel (fortunately covered in leather). His hair stood on end.
Fortunately neither the engine nor seacocks were affected. Seeing
the storm coming I took in the sails and dropped a copper plate
attached to a chain overboard, wrapping the chain around the mast. I
don't believe it had any purposeful effect. Subsequently I read
everything available and checked all the advertised protective
devices, had conversations with so called experts. Over the years
I've spoken to a dozen people who have been struck. My conclusion: I
was lucky. My advice: disconnect all electronics, if possible
unplug them. At the very least disconnect at the circuit breakers.
If possible shut down your engine. Put your battery switches on
disconnect. Hang a copper plate overboard via a chain rather than a
wire. Who knows, maybe mine helped. If your wheel's not insulated,
do so. Need I say get as far away from the mast(s) and rigging as
possible. If I were building a boat from scratch I'd seriously
consider using Marlon seacocks.

I suspect that Amel's stepping the mast on the deck, and the chain
plates not being connected to the keel kept significant current from
getting to the seacocks and engine. Just a guess. Fortunately there
are not as many thunder ststorms in the Caribbean as in Long Island
Sound and the Chesapeake. If anyone out there has any useful
suggestions I'd be happy to learn them.

Arnold Grubin

Thanks for the response. I assume you installed the Optima starting battery
in the engine room under the selector switch. As for the propane line, we
are going to run the line sometime next week. I'll let you know how we route
it. I am going to move the solenoid shut-off valve to the aft locker also
for safety reasons.

...Tom