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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Walter
 

Hi Alexandre,
all fine - I think it was just in the chain of replies that things got mixed.

Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Walter
 

Hi Alexandre,
all fine - I think it was just in the chain of replies that things got mixed.

Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Walter,

I knew that.
Did I mistakenly mention otherwise?

Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/12/16, amel-sm2k@gmx.de [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 8:53 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
on Super Maramus with
holding tank there is no loop - because the way the hoses
are connected to the tank and the tank/its vent act as a
loop/valve.
Regards,
Walter
(Noa, SM2K 436)









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I think Ian was may be referring to something else…

I don’t have a siphon loop either.

Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/12/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 9:02 AM


 









Hi Alex,Yes those are the joker
valves, I was asking Ian about the anti siphon valves, which
he says are on the intake hose.  I don't have the
siphon loop, but on Kristy the intake (thru-hull) for the
forward head and anchor wash is in the passageway between
the head and the hanging locker.KentSM243Kristy
On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 








Good morning Kent,



They are in the restroom.

You might know them as duckbill valve.



Part 12 on the following image

https://www.jabscoshop.com/images/37055exp.jpg



This is not our restroom, but gives you the idea.



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/12/16, karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 7:53 AM





 



















Hi Ian.



I'm not familiar with the valves you're
referring

to. Where are they?



Thanks,



Kent



SM243



Kristy



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Hmm, maybe I misunderstood Ian's reply.  So on some boats there is an anti siphon loop/valve on the output side of the head, too?
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:53 AM, amel-sm2k@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alexandre,
on Super Maramus with holding tank there is no loop - because the way the hoses are connected to the tank and the tank/its vent act as a loop/valve.
Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Hi Alex,
Yes those are the joker valves, I was asking Ian about the anti siphon valves, which he says are on the intake hose.  I don't have the siphon loop, but on Kristy the intake (thru-hull) for the forward head and anchor wash is in the passageway between the head and the hanging locker.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Good morning Kent,

They are in the restroom.
You might know them as duckbill valve.

Part 12 on the following image
https://www.jabscoshop.com/images/37055exp.jpg

This is not our restroom, but gives you the idea.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 9/12/16, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 7:53 AM


 









Hi Ian.

I'm not familiar with the valves you're referring
to. Where are they?

Thanks,

Kent

SM243

Kristy









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Hmmm.  That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the output side.  I have a strainer between the stopcock and the pump.  I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
Thanks.
I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water every few months or when ever I  leave the boat for a week or more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it down.  I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple.  I also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using the head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe.  I have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in the flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is usually  plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes to form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap (like a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve. It allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into the toilet.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Walter
 

Hi Alexandre,
on Super Maramus with holding tank there is no loop - because the way the hoses are connected to the tank and the tank/its vent act as a loop/valve.
Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I have been looking for the Raritan for my jabsco toilet, but couldn’t find it…
If anyone found it, please let me know.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Mon, 9/12/16, sangaris@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 8:36 AM


 









Here's a link to a great article on
joker valves in Practical Sailor.
Joker
Valves for Marine Heads - Practical Sailor Print Edition
Article


Joker
Valves for Marine Heads - Practical Sailor Print E...
Joker
valves are the unsung heroes of marine sanitation systems.
We tested Groco, Jabsco, and Raritan valves to see which is
the best.


View on www.practical-sailor...


Preview by Yahoo

Happy
Flushing,Craig Briggs, SN#68, Sangaris,
SanDomingo Creek, MD









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Kent,

They are in the restroom.
You might know them as duckbill valve.

Part 12 on the following image
https://www.jabscoshop.com/images/37055exp.jpg

This is not our restroom, but gives you the idea.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 9/12/16, karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 7:53 AM


 









Hi Ian.

I'm not familiar with the valves you're referring
to. Where are they?

Thanks,

Kent

SM243

Kristy









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Re: Joker Valve

Craig Briggs
 

Here's a link to a great article on joker valves in Practical Sailor.

Joker Valves for Marine Heads - Practical Sailor Print Edition Article
Happy Flushing,
Craig Briggs, SN#68, Sangaris, SanDomingo Creek, MD


Re: Joker Valve

Ian Park
 

On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in the flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is usually  plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes to form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap (like a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve. It allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into the toilet.

Ian


Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Hi Ian.
I'm not familiar with the valves you're referring to. Where are they?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: Joker Valve

Ian Park
 

Check your anti siphon loop valves. The little rubber valves on mine perished, stuck together and stopped the anti siphon from working. Much nicer job than cleaning out the 'jokers'.

Ian. 'Ocean Hobo' SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joker Valve

Alan Leslie
 

I think you're right, mine were in service kits stuffed in a plastic container with other things by the previous owner, even the O-rings aren't O anymore.
I'll order some spares
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joker Valve

Eric Freedman
 


Joker Valve

Alan Leslie
 

I never really understood why they called it a "Joker" valve, now I think I know: it is a joke, it doesn't work!

I've replaced this valve in both heads twice now and the bowls still slowly fill with backflow from the pipe to the holding tank.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, or have i just got a bad batch of valves ?

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 

Noumea


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa furling motor Amel 54

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

That'a really useful Mohammad - thankyou.. Clearly the first thing I have to do is take the inspection cover off and see what's going on. It's not the first motor that's failed on my my 54 due to water ingress......I'll keep everyong posted on this forum with progress.

Best, Tony.



From: "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:19 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa furling motor Amel 54

 
Hello Tony;

On our 54, the staysail furler sounded rough from the time we purchased her. After a few months of cruising, the Genoa furler started sounding the same. When I removed the inspection cover on the furlers water poured out and I noticed that all lubrication had fallen away from the gears.

We contacted Riza of Emek Marin in Turkey (since we were still in Turkey) and he referred a rigger that worked on most Bamars in Turkey. He removed both furlers, dismantled them and found that all bearings had rusted and the seals had failed. He replaced all bearings and seals and belts and reinstalled them. He mentioned that the top seals on the Bamars fail due to drying and water seeps into the furler. He also removed the top plastic cover on the furlers because he said that moisture gets trapped under the plastic and corrodes the aluminum and stainless. They have been running smooth and with out any issues since.

We considered replacing them with the new offer from Bamar and the letter they had sent for Amel owners. However after numerous e-mails (that would come back with a read receipt, so I know they are receiving the e-mails) we never got a response back.

In talking with Olivier, who did the survey for us, he mentioned that the majority of the 54s are sailing with the original furlers without issues. The main thing to remember is that both furlers, especially the Genoa furler, have to be furled under very low loads by making sure the sheets are eased to the point that the Genoa begins to luff before furling. 

I hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further info.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: Genoa furling motor Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Tony;

On our 54, the staysail furler sounded rough from the time we purchased her. After a few months of cruising, the Genoa furler started sounding the same. When I removed the inspection cover on the furlers water poured out and I noticed that all lubrication had fallen away from the gears.

We contacted Riza of Emek Marin in Turkey (since we were still in Turkey) and he referred a rigger that worked on most Bamars in Turkey. He removed both furlers, dismantled them and found that all bearings had rusted and the seals had failed. He replaced all bearings and seals and belts and reinstalled them. He mentioned that the top seals on the Bamars fail due to drying and water seeps into the furler. He also removed the top plastic cover on the furlers because he said that moisture gets trapped under the plastic and corrodes the aluminum and stainless. They have been running smooth and with out any issues since.

We considered replacing them with the new offer from Bamar and the letter they had sent for Amel owners. However after numerous e-mails (that would come back with a read receipt, so I know they are receiving the e-mails) we never got a response back.

In talking with Olivier, who did the survey for us, he mentioned that the majority of the 54s are sailing with the original furlers without issues. The main thing to remember is that both furlers, especially the Genoa furler, have to be furled under very low loads by making sure the sheets are eased to the point that the Genoa begins to luff before furling. 

I hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further info.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa furling motor Amel 54

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

Thank you all for responding - I didn't know there was a belt inside the motor that could break. I'll try and take it to bits to see if that's the problem.

Best regards, Tony Robinson

PS - Joel - many thanks for your note in particular. I am now in direct contact with Michael. BTW, we met once when I was considering buying a 54 when you had your 54 for sale in Florida. I recall you are from Hinsdale where my ex-wife and kids live. Small world.....



From: "Michael Last lastmd@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa furling motor Amel 54

 
Tony,
If you email me at lastmd at Aol.com, I will be happy to share my experience with Bamar. I would rather not do this on the open forum.
Best,
Amel 54 #68 2007, Callisto

 Michael Last

On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:00, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hello everyone.

My genny furler motor - a Balmar - failed yesterday while reefing the genny. I anticipate getting a replacement from either Amel o r Balmar but if this has happened to anyone else and they have comments on repair/replacement I would be grateful to hear.

Regards, Tony Robinson (Catriona R - Amel 54 #102. Currently in Cleopatra Marine, Preveza).