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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Manifold evolution

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Kent And Eric,

I had Amel in La Rochelle remove and inspect the manifold for Peregrinus about 14 months ago.  They reported it was absolutely clean and just as new.  Also, no mollusc growth anywhere.
Y
It would be quite interesting to determine why some boats (of roughly the same generation) have found their manifolds in such different states.

Cheerio,

SM2K n. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Capri (Italy)
 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hey Eric. When I read and looked at your pictures about your manifold, I took everything apart, mine was clean as a whistle.
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output side. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intake Manifold (formerly Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Doh....I knew that!

Kent

On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:07 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

I think if you just type over the old Subject: it will change it - I just did it - see if it works.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Can someone figure out how to change the heading on these posts about the salt water manifold? That should be something easy to find.

Kristy was completed in 1999, but has the "SM2K" on the rail.  She must have been one of the first to be called a SM2K

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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[Amel Yacht Owners] salt water manifold

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent,

When you reply, just edit the "subject" like that for example.

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/12/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 5:04 PM


 









Can someone figure out how to change the
heading on these posts about the salt water manifold? That
should be something easy to find.
Kristy was completed in
1999, but has the "SM2K" on the rail.  She must
have been one of the first to be called a SM2K

KentSM 243Kristy
On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@att.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats
brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one
intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as
Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each
head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed.
You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's
are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad
thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by
removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I
have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I
have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. PotterTHE
EXPERIENCED AMEL
GUY954-812-2485
On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get
their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made
of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original
Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]"

Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker
Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> No, Eric. On Kristy each
head has its own through-hull intake
>
in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash
gets its
> intake from the one that
feeds the forward head.
> In the engine
room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@yahoo.com
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819
voice/text
>
> On
Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@optonline.net

> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with
the water coming from
> the manifold via
a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair
Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday,
September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hmmm.
That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the

> > output si!
de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if
it has a one way valve as well.
> >
Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of
filling the head with fresh water
> >
every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or

> > more, and putting some vegetable
oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep
the joker valves supple. I
> > also
ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get
all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about
twice a year with this regimen.
> >
Kent
> > SM243
>
> Kristy
> >
>
> Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@yahoo.com
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819
voice/text
> >
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@gmail.com

> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the
hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible
pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend
clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to

> > form the u shape. This bend
should have a small screw cap
> (like

> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a
tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al!
lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the
boat
> > pumping sea water back up
the pipe until it siphons back into
>
> the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>

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Intake Manifold (formerly Joker Valve

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,
I think if you just type over the old Subject: it will change it - I just did it - see if it works.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Can someone figure out how to change the heading on these posts about the salt water manifold? That should be something easy to find.

Kristy was completed in 1999, but has the "SM2K" on the rail.  She must have been one of the first to be called a SM2K

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Can someone figure out how to change the heading on these posts about the salt water manifold? That should be something easy to find.

Kristy was completed in 1999, but has the "SM2K" on the rail.  She must have been one of the first to be called a SM2K

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Hey Eric. When I read and looked at your pictures about your manifold, I took everything apart, mine was clean as a whistle.
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output side. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

amelforme
 

Everyone take notice. I had one completely fail while we were getting ready to head out to sea. Nobody/nothing touched it! The entire manifold could be mangled bare handed. Really scary...

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:54 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Joel,
I was changing a hose on the old manifold and the stub looked like Swiss cheese.
I pulled of a few more and same thing. Mine is in the photo section now made of thick wall S/S.
Fair winds,
Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: "amelyachtowners@..."

> Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as
> on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic'
> models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for
> each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed.
> You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now
> in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen.
> You all should check the manifold by removing all branch
> hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many
> failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently
> sold. Better safe than sorry.
>
> Joel F. Potter
> THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
> 954-812-2485954-812-2485
>
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > Kent,
> > my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their
> water from the Manifold.
> > You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of
> copper and rotted away ! years ago.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > SM376 Kimberlite
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> > To: amelyachtowners@...
> >
> > > No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull
> intake
> > > in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> > > intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> > > In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> > > cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> > > Kent
> > > SM 243
> > >
> > > Kent Robertson
> > > karkauai@...
> > > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> > >
> > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
> > >
> > > Kent,
> > > Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming
> from
> > > the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my
> SM
> > > 376 is arranged.
> > > Fair Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> > > To: amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> > > > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on
> the
> > > > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and
> the
> > > > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve
> as well! .
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh
> water
> > > > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week
> or
> > > > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> > > down.
> > > > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves
> supple. I
> > > > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after
> using
> > > the
> > > > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge
> pipe. I
> > > > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this
> regimen.> > > Kent
> > > > SM243
> > > > Kristy
> > > >
> > > > Kent Robertson
> > > > karkauai@...
> > > > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > > > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop
> in
> > > the
> > > > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There
> is
> > > > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down
> pipes
> > > to
> > > > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> > > (like
> > > > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return
> valve.
> > > It
> > > > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of
> the boat
> > > > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back
> into
> > > > the toilet.
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >!
> > Call
> > Call from mobile
> > Send SMS
> > Add to Skype
> > You'll need Skype CreditFree via Skype
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

amelforme
 

Hi Eric Millennium/2000 series boats brought all sea water in as on yours, through the one intake/mini sea chest. 'Classic' models such as Kent' s also have separate salt water supply for each head and the anchor wash feeds from the forward head feed. You are on the money regarding the manifold. All SM 53's are now in the window of possible failure. Really a bad thing to happen. You all should check the manifold by removing all branch hose/feeds. This is very important as I have been seeing many failures and near failures on boats I have for sale or recently sold. Better safe than sorry.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:40 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
my anchor wash, High pressure wash, and the toilets get their water from the Manifold.
You might want to checkout the manifold. Mine was made of copper and rotted away years ago.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> No, Eric. On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake
> in the "hall" outside each head. The anchor wash gets its
> intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
> In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C
> cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
> Kent
> SM 243
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] u wrote:
>
> Kent,
> Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from
> the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 
> 376 is arranged.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> > output si! de. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> > pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> > Thanks.
> > I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> > every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> > more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it
> down.
> > I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> > also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using
> the
> > head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> > have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> > Kent
> > SM243
> > Kristy
> >
> > Kent Robertson
> > karkauai@...
> > 828-234-6819828-234-6819 voice/text
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@...
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in
> the
> > flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> > usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes
> to
> > form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap
> (like
> > a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve.
> It
> > al! lows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> > pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> > the toilet.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joker Valve

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gang,

Be careful how you mount the joker valves… they can be mounted backwards.  

Don’t ask….


Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007… in Gib.


On 12 Sep 2016, at 19:45, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

I have the same problem and I can't resolve it. All new valves do not close completely. There is 0.01" -0.015" gap between valve lips. I thought that I have a bad batch of valves. I checked valves in the different stors and all of them have a gap. Perhaps under some pressure the valve get closed and on Amel the pressure is not sufficient if holding tank is at low level.
I would like to know if evrybody see a nerrow opening between valve lips on the new valves.

Vladimir
SV "Life is Good"
SM 345

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Sep 12, 2016 12:17 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

I never really understood why they called it a "Joker" valve, now I think I know: it is a joke, it doesn't work!

I've replaced this valve in both heads twice now and the bowls still slowly fill with backflow from the pipe to the holding tank.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, or have i just got a bad batch of valves ?

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 

Noumea




Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joker Valve

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Alan,

I have the same problem and I can't resolve it. All new valves do not close completely. There is 0.01" -0.015" gap between valve lips. I thought that I have a bad batch of valves. I checked valves in the different stors and all of them have a gap. Perhaps under some pressure the valve get closed and on Amel the pressure is not sufficient if holding tank is at low level.
I would like to know if evrybody see a nerrow opening between valve lips on the new valves.

Vladimir
SV "Life is Good"
SM 345

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Sep 12, 2016 12:17 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

I never really understood why they called it a "Joker" valve, now I think I know: it is a joke, it doesn't work!

I've replaced this valve in both heads twice now and the bowls still slowly fill with backflow from the pipe to the holding tank.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, or have i just got a bad batch of valves ?

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 

Noumea


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

No, Eric.  On Kristy each head has its own through-hull intake in the "hall" outside each head.  The anchor wash gets its intake from the one that feeds the forward head.
In the engine room, the manifold feeds the engines, the A/C cooling pump, and the watetmaker.
Kent
SM 243

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:57 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] u<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
Do you have a Jabsco electric toilet with the water coming from the manifold via a pump from the engine room? That is how my SM 376 is arranged.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hmmm. That's on the intake side, the joker valves being on the
> output side. I have a strainer between the stopcock and the
> pump. I'll have to look to see if it has a one way valve as well.
> Thanks.
> I have made a practice of filling the head with fresh water
> every few months or when ever I leave the boat for a week or
> more, and putting some vegetable oil in before flushing it down.
> I read somewhere that it helps keep the joker valves supple. I
> also ask the crew to flush for a good 10 seconds after using the
> head to get all debris and urine out of the discharge pipe. I
> have to change joker valves about twice a year with this regimen.
> Kent
> SM243
> Kristy
>
> Kent Robertson
> karkauai@...
> 828-234-6819 voice/text
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... 
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> On the hose from the sea cock. It is usual to have a loop in the
> flexible pipe taking it above the heeled water line. There is
> usually plastic 'u' bend clamped on to the up and down pipes to
> form the u shape. This bend should have a small screw cap (like
> a car tyres valve). Inside is a tiny rubber non return valve. It
> allows air into the pipework to prevent the motion of the boat
> pumping sea water back up the pipe until it siphons back into
> the toilet.
>
> Ian
>
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

karkauai
 

Aha!  I don't have that setup...only one discharge hose that goes to the tank.  So your head has no holding tank?  I didn't know that. Does your aft head have a holding tank?

When I'm going to be at anchor for a while, I flush one head good with bleach water while still at sea, and leave the dump valve open...That's my pee head.  The other head stays closed...that's the poop-only head.  I guess that's how you use yours when at anchor?  Anybody have another system for reducing the frequency of dumping the holding tanks?

Kent
SM243
Kristy



On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:03 PM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent
Not the intake hose, the exit hose . It may be switched to empty direct from the toilet or a holding tank

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Ian Park
 

Kent
Not the intake hose, the exit hose . It may be switched to empty direct from the toilet or a holding tank

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Craig, 
This is an excellent article. Funny how conventional wisdom is so wrong.  

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:36 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Here's a link to a great article on joker valves in Practical Sailor.

Joker Valves for Marine Heads - Practical Sailor Print Edition Article
Happy Flushing,
Craig Briggs, SN#68, Sangaris, SanDomingo Creek, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Ok excellent Walter!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/12/16, Noa amel-sm2k@gmx.de [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 10:01 AM


 












Hi Alexandre,

all fine - I think it was just in the chain of replies
that things
got mixed.



Regards,

Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Walter
 

Hi Alexandre,
all fine - I think it was just in the chain of replies that things got mixed.

Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Joker Valve

Walter
 

Hi Alexandre,
all fine - I think it was just in the chain of replies that things got mixed.

Regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)