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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Alexandre,

 

I have 8 group 31 batteries and they fit with no problem.

 

The dimensions of my batteries:

 

Height             9.375 in.

Length             12.812 in.

Width              6.500 in.

Weight            60 lbs.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 2:37 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?

 

 


Good afternoon,

As you might know, the power has been out in Puerto Rico since Wednesday.
So had to use the genset to recharge the batteries…
After 1/2 hour the charger won’t allow more than 3 amp…
Plus after an hour (even hatch open) the engine room becomes too hot to keep using the generator (without risking damage to the control board) - which is another issue I need to address (and yes, all the fan are working).

Battery choice is limited here in Puerto Rico… what do you think of AC Delco?
Seems to be the only supplier.

Now I have Group 27.
For those who have the 8 House batteries, will the Group 31 fit?

If you know a supplier of Good batteries in Puerto Rico, let me know

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent,

I should have specified, I was looking for deep cycle only, either the AC Delco M27MF or the ACDM27DC
The first one weight 55 lbs, the second 63 lbs which indicates me a better battery.

Also looking at the Trojan 27TMX, but not sure its height of 235 mm or 9.24” will fit…

I last check all the cells, they were good except 1 cell.
Now would be useless because I can’t get passed 92% charged…
I don’t know if I can equalize with my charger… I will look.

It looks like the internet at the marina you stay at is on (meaning they have power), hope the power comes back here soon.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sat, 9/24/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 2:08 PM


 









Hi Alex,I replaced my batteries
in PR with series 27 Interstate batteries that are a hybrid
between cranking and deep cycle.  After a month they were
only lasting half as long.  My charger wouldn't do an
equalization cycle, and I discovered that the recommended
absorption voltage was 31V!  Terrible choice of batteries.
 I've bought a new Victron charger with an equalization
mode and hope I'll be able to bring them back.
Have you checked the
batteries for cranking amps and specific gravity?  Can you
equalize them with your charger?
KentSM243Kristy

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 24,
2016, at 2:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 








Good afternoon,



As you might know, the power has been out in Puerto Rico
since Wednesday.

So had to use the genset to recharge the batteries…

After 1/2 hour the charger won’t allow more than 3 amp…


Plus after an hour (even hatch open) the engine room becomes
too hot to keep using the generator (without risking damage
to the control board) - which is another issue I need to
address (and yes, all the fan are working).



Battery choice is limited here in Puerto Rico… what do you
think of AC Delco?

Seems to be the only supplier.



Now I have Group 27.

For those who have the 8 House batteries, will the Group 31
fit?



If you know a supplier of Good batteries in Puerto Rico, let
me know



Thanks in advance.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?

karkauai
 

Hi Alex,
I replaced my batteries in PR with series 27 Interstate batteries that are a hybrid between cranking and deep cycle.  After a month they were only lasting half as long.  My charger wouldn't do an equalization cycle, and I discovered that the recommended absorption voltage was 31V!  Terrible choice of batteries.  I've bought a new Victron charger with an equalization mode and hope I'll be able to bring them back.

Have you checked the batteries for cranking amps and specific gravity?  Can you equalize them with your charger?

Kent
SM243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Good afternoon,

As you might know, the power has been out in Puerto Rico since Wednesday.
So had to use the genset to recharge the batteries…
After 1/2 hour the charger won’t allow more than 3 amp…
Plus after an hour (even hatch open) the engine room becomes too hot to keep using the generator (without risking damage to the control board) - which is another issue I need to address (and yes, all the fan are working).

Battery choice is limited here in Puerto Rico… what do you think of AC Delco?
Seems to be the only supplier.

Now I have Group 27.
For those who have the 8 House batteries, will the Group 31 fit?

If you know a supplier of Good batteries in Puerto Rico, let me know

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: sm jib furler failure.

karkauai
 

Just be sure you don't leave the halyard for the other headsail up and try to furl.   Don't take your eyes off the foil when you're rolling in or out.  If you break or twist that foil you're going to have an expensive and potentially dangerous situation on your hands.  Might not be able to get the sail furled or be able to drop the sail either.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 25, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

For the record, Amel Caribe in Martinique oversaw and provided parts for a refit of the whole attachment system last July. The rivets were removed, the holes enlarged and backing plate pieces slid into the slots to reinforce the tube. Then steel hex bolts were threaded through the foil tube, spacers and into new threads made on the furler. It's hugely stronger and won't ever elongate the holes or break rivets. It won't shear either, so that part is given up. Tef-gel or Lanacote required to help hold off dissimilar metal galvanic corrosion.
So far i'm happy with with the conversion. No special tools required now should I have to separate the foil from the furler.

ALSO: there is a hard nylon piece that slides inside the swivel to prevent any play between the locating table the swivel and the groove in the foil. It's called simply the "Crayon" (because it kind of looks like one :) It's a cool little piece that prevents wear to both the foil and the swivel. Sorry if that was sort of off topic :)

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Fiumicino, Italy


[Amel Yacht Owners] AC Delco Deep Cycle batteries?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

As you might know, the power has been out in Puerto Rico since Wednesday.
So had to use the genset to recharge the batteries…
After 1/2 hour the charger won’t allow more than 3 amp…
Plus after an hour (even hatch open) the engine room becomes too hot to keep using the generator (without risking damage to the control board) - which is another issue I need to address (and yes, all the fan are working).

Battery choice is limited here in Puerto Rico… what do you think of AC Delco?
Seems to be the only supplier.

Now I have Group 27.
For those who have the 8 House batteries, will the Group 31 fit?

If you know a supplier of Good batteries in Puerto Rico, let me know

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

James,

Like you point out, a boat that spends time in water that is cooler, and/or less salty will have rigging with a longer life due to slower corrosion rates.  Rigging that is kept tuned well and not subject to shock loading will workharden slower and live longer.  Roller swages, especially those by inexperienced operators or made on poorly maintained equipment, are subject to higher rates of premature failure compared to good rotary hammer swages. 316L rigging will corrode slower than 316, although it starts out a bit lower in strength.

All those things are true, but not usefully quantifiable. Good, sophisticated, and experienced riggers who have seen failures, and looked at lots of old rigs and seen what goes wrong and how fast, are the best source of recommendations for replacement times.  Ten years for tropics, 15 for temperate, and maybe 20 for freshwater seem to be the industry standard, conservative, numbers.  Of course nobody's rig falls down when it is 10 years and one day old.  But risk increases quickly as time goes on.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie 
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA 



On Sep 24, 2016, at 05:18, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,
   I agree with your points and even 15 years in the tropics would bother me.  One exception seems to be boats used partial seasons well up North such as Canada or freshwater boats where the corrosion rates are much slower.  I have also found some huge variability in the quality of wire and fittings with some failing at only 3-4 years (usually cracks in the rolled swage).  Rigging is not a good place to try and save a few dollars IMO.

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 23:50 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn

 

Kent,


I’ll double up on that advice!

Stainless steel has lots of failure modes that are simply NOT visible to any inspection until catastrophic failure occurs.  When I read about a rigger doing a visual inspection and then telling someone that their 15 year old rigging can go another 15 years my blood runs cold.  That amounts to professional malpractice.

Amel rigging is well designed, but it is made of stainless steel.  Work hardening, crevice corrosion, and other things cannot be engineered out--they are intrinsic properties of the metal.  It has a finite life, no matter what it looks like on the outside.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:34, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I replaced all of my standing rigging at 13 years old.  I had them cut a few swages open and two of them had a lot of corrosion in the cable under the swage.  There was no visible hint that there was a problem until they were cut open.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:02 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,

   Spraying the turnbuckle was actually one of the first things I did when I got back to Sueno but thank you for the suggestion, I think it was a good one.  The new ACMO rigging will be here in early Oct. And it is possible that the turnbuckles have not been turned in 29 years since she has the original rigging.  Amazingly neither the survey or myself have found a single crack in any of the fittings so I have been cautiously sailing the boat ahead of installing the new rigging.  

Best, 
James Alton
SV Sueno Maramu #220



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 19:09 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn 

 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





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-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy









Re: AC earth on SM and SN

rossienio@...
 

And.........think of using the shaft alternator also in parallel with that of the engine (60+60A)???? What could be the problems, coinsidering that the Sterling ProALTc accept two alternators input??? Whato do you think??? Good winds. 

Enio Rossi
#SN122 EARENDIL
Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

James Alton
 

Alexandre,
  Thank you for this information.  I actually printed out the excellent detailed instructions and packed them into my overstuffed and almost overweight suitcases so I do have them aboard.  I think that there might be some slight differences between my thruster and the SM but looks very similar.

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Sardinia, Italy



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 19:10 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

Good afternoon James,

Not sure you saw the illustration I did for the Bow Thruster overhaul.
It is for the Super Maramu, but I suspect there will be lots of similarities.

It is a bit long to download as there is over 70 pictures and I haven’t had time to make a smaller section:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

On it, I forgot to show when you put back the donut on the foot of the bow thruster, but this is explained in Gary Silver’s explanation (linked as well).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 9/23/16, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 23, 2016, 11:37 AM


 









Bill,
   I appreciate your experienced
input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into
the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you
suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking
before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set
of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also
order the Amel tool if you think it would be
helpful.
  I just
wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an
Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in
Med moorings.
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno
#220Sardinia, Italy




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tablet.
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message --------From: "'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> Date:
9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00) To:
amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts


 






James,
Check with Amel for:

  Prop hub and screws

  Tube seal

  Prop shaft seal

  Foam donuts (3)
That should do it for normal service...however,
you may want to open it and replace the bearings.
When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it
is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor
connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron
and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those
holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and
spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over
2-3 days.
Amel designed a tool which will separate the
tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the
tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured
in the Files section. The number one tool you need is
patience.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM,
"lokiyawl2@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Hello,  I need to
service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can
anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with
part numbers if possible?
   Also,  my thruster
has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the
motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I
removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some
gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no
corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor
housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll
lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the
holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor
housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go
part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt
holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the
SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou
ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the
drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I
was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I
don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance
here would be appreciated.
Best, James
Alton,  SV Sueno #220.Sardinia,
Italy





































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

James Alton
 

Bill,
   Thanks.  I gave the thruster a good Spraying this AM and will continue to do so until the haul out.  I will now go through the files section to find a photo of the Amel tool.

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno,
Maramu # 220
Sardinia, Italy



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 21:03 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

 

James,

The tool will help. If Amel does not have one, a quick glance at the photo and any machine shop could make it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 12:10 PM, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

James Alton
 

Bill,
   I agree with your points and even 15 years in the tropics would bother me.  One exception seems to be boats used partial seasons well up North such as Canada or freshwater boats where the corrosion rates are much slower.  I have also found some huge variability in the quality of wire and fittings with some failing at only 3-4 years (usually cracks in the rolled swage).  Rigging is not a good place to try and save a few dollars IMO.

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 23:50 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn

 

Kent,


I’ll double up on that advice!

Stainless steel has lots of failure modes that are simply NOT visible to any inspection until catastrophic failure occurs.  When I read about a rigger doing a visual inspection and then telling someone that their 15 year old rigging can go another 15 years my blood runs cold.  That amounts to professional malpractice.

Amel rigging is well designed, but it is made of stainless steel.  Work hardening, crevice corrosion, and other things cannot be engineered out--they are intrinsic properties of the metal.  It has a finite life, no matter what it looks like on the outside.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:34, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I replaced all of my standing rigging at 13 years old.  I had them cut a few swages open and two of them had a lot of corrosion in the cable under the swage.  There was no visible hint that there was a problem until they were cut open.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:02 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,

   Spraying the turnbuckle was actually one of the first things I did when I got back to Sueno but thank you for the suggestion, I think it was a good one.  The new ACMO rigging will be here in early Oct. And it is possible that the turnbuckles have not been turned in 29 years since she has the original rigging.  Amazingly neither the survey or myself have found a single crack in any of the fittings so I have been cautiously sailing the boat ahead of installing the new rigging.  

Best, 
James Alton
SV Sueno Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 19:09 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn 

 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Kent,

I’ll double up on that advice!

Stainless steel has lots of failure modes that are simply NOT visible to any inspection until catastrophic failure occurs.  When I read about a rigger doing a visual inspection and then telling someone that their 15 year old rigging can go another 15 years my blood runs cold.  That amounts to professional malpractice.

Amel rigging is well designed, but it is made of stainless steel.  Work hardening, crevice corrosion, and other things cannot be engineered out--they are intrinsic properties of the metal.  It has a finite life, no matter what it looks like on the outside.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:34, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I replaced all of my standing rigging at 13 years old.  I had them cut a few swages open and two of them had a lot of corrosion in the cable under the swage.  There was no visible hint that there was a problem until they were cut open.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:02 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,

   Spraying the turnbuckle was actually one of the first things I did when I got back to Sueno but thank you for the suggestion, I think it was a good one.  The new ACMO rigging will be here in early Oct. And it is possible that the turnbuckles have not been turned in 29 years since she has the original rigging.  Amazingly neither the survey or myself have found a single crack in any of the fittings so I have been cautiously sailing the boat ahead of installing the new rigging.  

Best, 
James Alton
SV Sueno Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 19:09 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn 

 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

karkauai
 

I replaced all of my standing rigging at 13 years old.  I had them cut a few swages open and two of them had a lot of corrosion in the cable under the swage.  There was no visible hint that there was a problem until they were cut open.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:02 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,

   Spraying the turnbuckle was actually one of the first things I did when I got back to Sueno but thank you for the suggestion, I think it was a good one.  The new ACMO rigging will be here in early Oct. And it is possible that the turnbuckles have not been turned in 29 years since she has the original rigging.  Amazingly neither the survey or myself have found a single crack in any of the fittings so I have been cautiously sailing the boat ahead of installing the new rigging.  

Best, 
James Alton
SV Sueno Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 19:09 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn

 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure.

karkauai
 

The aluminum rivets are designed to break away if something stops the foil from turning.  Stainless might cause the foil to be damaged instead...a very expensive repair.
Kent

On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:44 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
   Monel is a wonderful metal but it is a lot more noble than aluminum and can make a strong galvanic couple.  I wonder if stainless and lots of Tef-gel might be a better choice?

Best,

James Alton
Maramu #220, Sueno



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure.

 

I'll be back on Kristy next week.  I'm pretty sure they are 1/4" X 3/4".  I used aluminum rivets, others have recommended Monel.  There is at least one extensive thread that should be easy to find searching for "rivets". If no one answers affirmatively, I will check when I get back aboard.

Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There are many things connected to the bonding system that aren’t themselves being protected from corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding connections are not ONLY about corrosion protection by connection to the rudder zinc.


In a boat where the DC neutral and the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could serve as a return path to the battery in case of a leak from the positive side of the DC system to the case of the motor.  I confess to not really having a good understanding of the logic in connecting things like the bilge pump or the freshwater pump to the bonding circuit in an Amel.  It certainly is not to protect them from corrosion by connecting them to the rudder zinc.

By the way, does anybody know offhand the size of the rivets in the furler?

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 22, 2016, at 22:20, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


That makes sense, Bill.  Guess I was thinking of sea water on furler, deck, hull all interconnecting as if submerged.

So the furling motor is not bonded to the zincs?  What about the bow thruster?  If have sworn they were both connected via the yellow/green wires.

I'll be back aboard next week and look again.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Bonding would have no effect on corrosion here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding system has to be in the same “body of water” as the metals it is protecting.  In this case the “body of water” is the tiny little puddle between the stainless steel screws and the aluminum plate. It is its own little battery, and connections to the rest of the boat are immaterial. These stainless screws seem to have been the focal point for the corrosion on my piece.  

Other than disassembling the furler unit, this is an easy fix.  The plate is just a round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum with four holes in it.  If I was in a remote place, I could make it on the boat with hand tools.

While I have things apart, I am taking Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat shop to have everything made pretty… hopefully for much longer than paint.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 22, 2016, at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I don't know if the furler on Kristy is connected.  Sure seems like it should be...exposed to sea water, dissimilar metals.  Wonder why it wouldn't be?  Anybody else know if their furler is connected?

Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:02 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Kent,


None of the rigging on my SM is attached to the bonding system.....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

James,

The tool will help. If Amel does not have one, a quick glance at the photo and any machine shop could make it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Sep 23, 2016 12:10 PM, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





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-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

James Alton
 

Richard,

   Spraying the turnbuckle was actually one of the first things I did when I got back to Sueno but thank you for the suggestion, I think it was a good one.  The new ACMO rigging will be here in early Oct. And it is possible that the turnbuckles have not been turned in 29 years since she has the original rigging.  Amazingly neither the survey or myself have found a single crack in any of the fittings so I have been cautiously sailing the boat ahead of installing the new rigging.  

Best, 
James Alton
SV Sueno Maramu #220



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 19:09 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]  bow roller and turn

 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





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-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy


Re: SM Jib Furler Failure.

greatketch@...
 

Mine came from the previous owner with monel rivets, set in tefgel.  Stainless poprivets of this size aren't often seen.  Because of stainless steel's limited ductility, setting large rivets like these requires specialized tools.

Bill Kinney


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon James,

Not sure you saw the illustration I did for the Bow Thruster overhaul.
It is for the Super Maramu, but I suspect there will be lots of similarities.

It is a bit long to download as there is over 70 pictures and I haven’t had time to make a smaller section:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

On it, I forgot to show when you put back the donut on the foot of the bow thruster, but this is explained in Gary Silver’s explanation (linked as well).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Fri, 9/23/16, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 23, 2016, 11:37 AM


 









Bill,
   I appreciate your experienced
input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into
the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you
suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking
before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set
of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also
order the Amel tool if you think it would be
helpful.
  I just
wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an
Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in
Med moorings.
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno
#220Sardinia, Italy




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tablet.
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Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date:
9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00) To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts


 






James,
Check with Amel for:

  Prop hub and screws

  Tube seal

  Prop shaft seal

  Foam donuts (3)
That should do it for normal service...however,
you may want to open it and replace the bearings.
When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it
is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor
connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron
and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those
holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and
spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over
2-3 days.
Amel designed a tool which will separate the
tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the
tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured
in the Files section. The number one tool you need is
patience.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM,
"lokiyawl2@aol.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hello,  I need to
service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can
anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with
part numbers if possible?
   Also,  my thruster
has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the
motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I
removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some
gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no
corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor
housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll
lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the
holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor
housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go
part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt
holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the
SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou
ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the
drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I
was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I
don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance
here would be appreciated.
Best, James
Alton,  SV Sueno #220.Sardinia,
Italy





































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow roller and turn

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi while you are spraying put a few drops on each turn buckel. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:37, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   I appreciate your experienced input.  I will begin spraying the penetrating oil up into the joint between the motor housing and the tube as you suggested.  This will give me over two weeks of soaking before the boat is hauled.  I will go ahead and order a set of bearings in addition to the items listed. I will also order the Amel tool if you think it would be helpful.

  I just wanted to add that I am now really glad that I bought an Amel with the bow thruster, it is such a help with stern in Med moorings.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno #220
Sardinia, Italy





Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 9/23/16 14:23 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu bow thruster rebuild parts

 

James,

Check with Amel for:
  Prop hub and screws
  Tube seal
  Prop shaft seal
  Foam donuts (3)

That should do it for normal service...however, you may want to open it and replace the bearings.

When corrosion occurs that seizes the tube, it is almost always oxidation (rust) of the cast iron motor connection at the tube. The corrosion expands the cast iron and "clamps" the tube in place. Spraying in those holes will get some penetrating fluid where you need it and spraying upward at the joint. Use an entire stay can over 2-3 days.

Amel designed a tool which will separate the tube. It clamps onto the tube, then treaded bolts push the tube out of the corrosion-packed connection. It is pictured in the Files section. The number one tool you need is patience.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Sep 23, 2016 5:00 AM, "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

  I need to service the bow thruster on my 46' 1987 Maramu.  Can anyone provide me a list of the normal parts to order with part numbers if possible?


   Also,  my thruster has not been serviced in a number of years and I suspect the motor shaft is stuck on the vertical drive shaft.  I removed the 4 bolts securing the composite tube and did some gentle tapping and tugging with no movement.  There is no corrosion evident between the composite tube and the motor housing since the previous owner keeper that we'll lubricated.  I was hoping that I could spray through the holes for the bolts securing the composite tube to the motor housing but I noted that on my thruster the holes only go part of the way through the composite tube.  Do the bolt holes go all of the way through the opposite tube on the SM?  If so,  is there any reason that I cou ld not drill on through one holes so that I can spray the drive shaft?  One of the holes has stripped threads so I was thinking of drilling deeper to retap the threads but I don't know how thick the tube is etc.   Any guidance here would be appreciated.


Best, 

James Alton,  SV Sueno #220.

Sardinia, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

The Aluminum Rivet are 6 mm x 18 mm.

You will need a BIG rivet gun to put them in.
That is the one I purchase.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061SFDM/

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Fri, 9/23/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure.
To: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 23, 2016, 9:10 AM


 









There are many things connected to the bonding
system that aren’t themselves being protected from
corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding connections
are not ONLY about corrosion protection by connection to the
rudder zinc.
In a boat where the DC neutral
and the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could
serve as a return path to the battery in case of a leak from
the positive side of the DC system to the case of the motor.
 I confess to not really having a good understanding of the
logic in connecting things like the bilge pump or the
freshwater pump to the bonding circuit in an Amel.  It
certainly is not to protect them from corrosion by
connecting them to the rudder zinc.
By the way, does anybody know
offhand the size of the rivets in the furler?

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Sep 22, 2016, at 22:20, Kent
Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

That makes sense, Bill.  Guess I
was thinking of sea water on furler, deck, hull all
interconnecting as if submerged.
So the furling motor is not
bonded to the zincs?  What about the bow thruster?  If
have sworn they were both connected via the yellow/green
wires.
I'll be back aboard next week
and look again.
KentSM 243Kristy
On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill
Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

 
Kent,
Bonding would have no effect on
corrosion here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding
system has to be in the same “body of water” as the
metals it is protecting.  In this case the “body of
water” is the tiny little puddle between the stainless
steel screws and the aluminum plate. It is its own little
battery, and connections to the rest of the boat are
immaterial. These stainless screws seem to have been the
focal point for the corrosion on my piece.  
Other than disassembling the
furler unit, this is an easy fix.  The plate is just a
round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum with four holes in it.  If
I was in a remote place, I could make it on the boat with
hand tools.
While I have things apart, I am
taking Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat
shop to have everything made pretty… hopefully for much
longer than paint.
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
 
I don't know if the furler on
Kristy is connected.  Sure seems like it should
be...exposed to sea water, dissimilar metals.  Wonder why
it wouldn't be?  Anybody else know if their furler is
connected?
Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 22, 2016, at
5:02 PM, divanz620@yahoo.fr [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

 Hello Kent,
None of the rigging on my SM is
attached to the bonding system.....
CheersAlanElyse SM437















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bonding

SV Perigee
 

Greets all,

Regarding the zinc on the prop, I've seen it mentioned that this is unnecessary due to the AMEL-style bonding system, with everything bonded to everything else.  However, as I currently understand it, the reason for the zinc on the prop, is because with a stainless prop shaft attached to the dissimilar bronze of the prop, and because this is underwater, this creates a galvanic couple.  So, to minimise the potential effects of this galvanic couple, it is best to place a zinc as close as possible to that underwater connection.   And also, minimise the opportunity for adverse effects should there be a failure, or deterioration, in the bonding circuit between shaft -to- transmission -to- bonding-circuit -to- rudder-post -to- rudder-zincs connections.

Happy to be corrected.  However, in the interim, I personally would be placing a zinc on the prop/shaft to take all possible steps to minimise the potential for galvanic corrosion of the shaft or the prop.

Best,

David