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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Craig Briggs
 

While the Amel factory may have used fiberglass antennae, on our SN the factory used two sets of isolators. One set on the starboard mizzen backstay for the SSB and a second set on the triactic stay for the weatherfax antenna. I think this was their standard procedure.
Craig, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Paul,

 

When I installed my SSB I opted to add a fiberglass antenna. This is the way the Amel factory does it. I think the logic is that if you ever lose the rig you (might) still have a SSB antenna. And, adding isolators is adding another potential failure point of the rigging.

 

There are not really performance issues with either method.

 

Another option is to use a GAM / McKim Split Lead Antenna. These have now been around long enough to have been field tested and offer reliable performance. Had I known about this product before installing the antenna, I would have gone this route. It is also fully insulated to prevent shock (as Kent described). Here is a link:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|344|2028695|2029059&id=332511

 

Something else you may consider if you installed a SSB with DSC and auto distress calling. The DSC requires a separate antenna. For this, I used an antenna splitter and used the whether-fax antenna on the triatic stay.

 

Hope this helps.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

 

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Herbert,

No I don;t, they are just small 24V incandescent indicator lamps, same as the ones on an SM 24V breaker panel.

Cheers
Alan


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill I missed that oportunity, it was in Lanzarote at the start.
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Let me add one thing to what Mark has said:

If you are part of Jimmy Cornell's Atlantic Odyssey from the Canaries to the Caribbean, Jimmy has a free SSB tuning and consultation with a radio technician from Italy as part of the Odyssey package.

We used the guy to fine tune some of our SSB/Pactor settings which helped us considerably.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Mark

The split line antenna was my first option, but could not get hold of one in Europe.
Now we are in the Canaries and will soon cross the Atlantic so would be good to have the SSB running on a better antenna than just a cable hanging "loose" along the back stay. Therefore I thought the insulated back stay is a good idea, we have a satphone as back up, and EPIRB so sequrity should not be a major issue for the SSB
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Mark
The split line antenna was my first option, but could not get hold of one in Europe.
Now we are in the Canaries and will soon cross the Atlantic so would be good to have the SSB running on a better antenna than just a cable hanging "loose" along the back stay. Therefore I thought the insulated back stay is a good idea, we have a satphone as back up, and EPIRB so sequrity should not be a major issue for the SSB
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Alan,

do you know the specification of the lamps that are used on the SM?

herbert, SN120 KALI MERA


Re: Rig Tuning, mizzen mast shivering

Paul Osterberg
 

When sailing in rough waves and the boat is "falling" from a wave and hitting a little bit hard, sometimes the mizzen mast is shivering a bit. Do not fell ok with that. I notice that the mizzen after shrouds are less tensioned compared with the rest of the rig, could that be a reason? Have read from the thread that the twin back stay should not be tensioned very hard, as it can be cracks in the transom fastening, but I do think if the mast is worked forward when hitting a wave that will create very high load on the back stay and also stress cracks.

Anyone with experience on this?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

When I installed my SSB I opted to add a fiberglass antenna. This is the way the Amel factory does it. I think the logic is that if you ever lose the rig you (might) still have a SSB antenna. And, adding isolators is adding another potential failure point of the rigging.

 

There are not really performance issues with either method.

 

Another option is to use a GAM / McKim Split Lead Antenna. These have now been around long enough to have been field tested and offer reliable performance. Had I known about this product before installing the antenna, I would have gone this route. It is also fully insulated to prevent shock (as Kent described). Here is a link:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|344|2028695|2029059&id=332511

 

Something else you may consider if you installed a SSB with DSC and auto distress calling. The DSC requires a separate antenna. For this, I used an antenna splitter and used the whether-fax antenna on the triatic stay.

 

Hope this helps.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

 

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Paul,

I have a new SSB ICOM 801E with Shakespeare dedicated HF antenna.  I have an insulated stabilising ring attached to the STBD side of the solar panels.  I think if you look inside the starboard side of the aft lazarette, you will  find the factory installed ground (attached to the big grounding plate on the STBD side of your rudder).  My tuner is located there and is connected via a short lead to the stern mounted antenna.

IIRC, Amel does not like an insulated backstay as an antenna.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 28 Sep 2016, at 13:55, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It has to be a certain length between insulators, Paul.  I think it's something like 20 feet.
  Mount your antenna tuner as close to the back stay used as possible.  Mine is in the starboard aft corner of the lazarette.
When transmitting, there is potential for shock at the antenna.  Mount it so that no one can grab the antenna above the lower insulator.  On Kristy the lower insulator is about 6 ft above the deck.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe



Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

karkauai
 

It has to be a certain length between insulators, Paul.  I think it's something like 20 feet.
  Mount your antenna tuner as close to the back stay used as possible.  Mine is in the starboard aft corner of the lazarette.
When transmitting, there is potential for shock at the antenna.  Mount it so that no one can grab the antenna above the lower insulator.  On Kristy the lower insulator is about 6 ft above the deck.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


SSB Antenna

Paul Osterberg
 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Herbert Lackner
 

Enio, the santorin has no 'detector'. But it is very easy just to measure the resistence between grounding and battery plus / battery minus.  Can be done with standard ohm-meter / multi meter. I do that in a regular base.  Resistance should be very high (more than 20k, better 1M).  If you get a low reading you have a grounding leak.  Of course you can install a fixed resistance meter. I bought one on ebay but did not install it up to now.

herbert, SN120, KALI MERA



Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Enio

the circuit is very simple...

One single pole double throw, centre off, switch and two lamps.

One side of one lamp is connected to the 24V +ve, the other lamp is connected to 24V -ve. 
the other side of each lamp is connected to the outer sides of the switch.
the bonding circuit is connected to the centre position of the switch.
when the switch is pushed so that the bonding is connected to the -ve lamp,if the lamp lights, it means you have a +ve fault.
vv when the switch is pushed so the bonding is connected to the +ve lamp, if the lamp lights, you have a -ve fault (most common)
I thought I had a diagram of this but I don't seem to...if i find it In will post it as a photo....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: AC earth on SM and SN

rossienio@...
 

understood thanks herbert.
EnioRossi
EARENDIL #SN122
ITALY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alex,

WOW!  I’m a diver but I am not in such a hurry to get back under as to require 2 compressors onboard.

GL with the sale.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007

On 28 Sep 2016, at 09:31, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jean-Pierre,
the reason why I was asking is that the boat I bought has two installed. If someone needs a compresoor, I could make a good offering.
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54, n15,


On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:28 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hello Alex,

The most common dive compressor is the Bauer Junior.  However, Robin from SM Gros Doux installed a less expensive German (IIRC) unit which is smaller and ighter.

Look up his blog under “Gros Doux”.  He also answers his emails promptly.  His solution may interest you.

Fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Sep 2016, at 09:35, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Thomas,
have you decided for a dive compressor in the meantime?
Kind Regards, Alex
AMEL54 no 15, "NO STRESS"


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Jean-Pierre,
the reason why I was asking is that the boat I bought has two installed. If someone needs a compresoor, I could make a good offering.
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54, n15,
alexramseyer@...


On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:28 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hello Alex,

The most common dive compressor is the Bauer Junior.  However, Robin from SM Gros Doux installed a less expensive German (IIRC) unit which is smaller and ighter.

Look up his blog under “Gros Doux”.  He also answers his emails promptly.  His solution may interest you.

Fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Sep 2016, at 09:35, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Thomas,
have you decided for a dive compressor in the meantime?
Kind Regards, Alex
AMEL54 no 15, "NO STRESS"



Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...




Leak detector of mass circuit

rossienio@...
 

Goodmorning everyone. On my Santorin there is no leak detector of mass circuit as in the Supermaramu.
Does anyone know if you can put it, what object to use, and how to connect? Thank you all. After the problems occurred in Kent Robertson the current leaks bother me much.....Good winds

Enio Rossi

Earendil #SN122

Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

karkauai
 

Hi Paul.  The high pressure line goes to the back of the panel there where it is metered and the valve that adjusts pressure is located.  A leak anywhere in that system would be salt water.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Currently Curacao, heading W & S next week weather permitting.

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:05 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, Jean Pierre


is is salt water behind the control panel for de desalinator? That was something we considered as a source, actually my wife (clever girl).

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill, Jean Pierre

is is salt water behind the control panel for de desalinator? That was something we considered as a source, actually my wife (clever girl).

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Paul and Bill,



Bill is correct; the Dessalator controls are indeed mounted on the forward facing bulkhead.  If the HP lines leak, they will leak there too. I changed HP lines last month because the installer had cross threaded a HP line and broke the fitting on the back of the panel….

Humm!!!

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 27 Sep 2016, at 15:01, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,
installation 
On BeBe, SM 387, the Dessalator controls are accessible from that locker. If you have the same, remove a piece of plywood on the forward end of the locker to see the backside of the Dessalator Control panel and plumbing.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We found a half bucket of salt water in the cockpit locker. It looks as if the water has come in to the forward part of the locker, but we can't relay figure out how it came in. We have had som bumpy sailing with some spray on the deck, but nothing extraordinaire, we have encounter much worse condition before.  

One source could be some bolts that hold the genoa track are not holding tight.

Have anyone encounter something similar and have any idea from where the water could come?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259





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