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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

One of our projects while we were here in Annapolis was to install the cockpit control for the mizzen traveler.  A nice piece of work, if I say so myself.  Of course it should be, I copied the way Amel did it...

More details and pictures here:  
https://fetchinketch.net/boat-projects/mizzen-traveler/

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 15:41, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Hi Bill, I have seen one done very neatly. They mounted an Andersen  line tender the same as the main traveler has on the coach roof beside the cleat on the starboard side. He ran the lines around blocks in the same manner as the main traveler. It looked good (amel) and was easy to operate. I'd like one myself.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl




From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:27 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

 
Has anyone rigged the mizzen traveler on a SM to be adjustable from the cockpit? If so... how?

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highands, NJ
"Ships and men rot in port."





Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

eamonn.washington@...
 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast could affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Sorry, Bill

Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth!

One thing that might not be clear to people is that this discussion only applies to stainless anchors. If you bend your carbon steel anchor, hot bending is the way to go to get it straight again.

Bill K.

On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:12, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Bill,

You stated, "If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests..."

That is not accurate. I said "...was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel." I also said, "I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank."

Like I said, I have no idea which is the best method and when I wrote the above I knew that there would be a few experts chime in.

Oh, 10 years later, all is fine.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com <mailto:greatketch@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Actually, hot bending does NOT work harden stainless steel. That is what happens when you bend it cold.


Bending austenitic stainless steel and keeping full strength is a very fussy project. Temperature for bending and temperature for re-annealing the metal are different and not likely to be well done by someone inexperienced on a large piece.

Done “at home” it is very likely that BOTH hot and cold bending will reduce the ultimate tensile strength. If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests, in a press, quickly and all in one go to reduce further work hardening that already is present from the initial bend.

And Capt Richard is right: there aren’t very many properties of stainless that make it a better material to make an anchor out of compared to good galvanized carbon steel—but it IS pretty!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD—Ready to run south away from Winter!
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/>





On Oct 31, 2016, at 09:07, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com <mailto:connor_barry@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my 30kg Wasi stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com <mailto:connor_barry@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] wrote:



Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs
There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] wrote:



Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units.
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14

















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Ben,

We did the same upgrade.  I am guessing you’ll love the Go.  We use it with the PredictWind weather service, and love it.

Are you sure you need to replace the cable?   and reused the same cable. In our case it was the kind of coax for both.

Our original satphone install was not an Amel factory job, so I doubt our particulars would be of much help, but I think you’ll find pulling a new wire will be straightforward after you find all the wire chases and snip open the cable ties holding things in place.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD.  
We have hoisted our Blue Peter, and are underway for points south in the morning.
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 31, 2016, at 16:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 




Re: Removing Imarsat

Thomas Peacock
 

We also swapped out the Inmarsat for the Iridium Go. The Inmarsat was old, not working, poor parts availability, and very expensive to entirely replace.

The Go is pretty good for phone calls and texts; we use the free service that can automatically send GRIB files to you every day. Not practical to do much else that requires more bandwidth.

The antenna is very similar to a GPS antenna; since our old GPS antenna worked well in the cockpit, protected by the dodger, that's where we put the Go antenna. It's then very easy to run the cable to the nav station. It seems to get signal quite easily; I admit it might be better with some more elevation.

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM#240
Chesapeake Bay, leaving for St Augustine, FL Nov 1
 


Removing Imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

You stated, "If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests..." 

That is not accurate. I said "...was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel." I also said, "I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank."

Like I said, I have no idea which is the best method and when I wrote the above I knew that there would be a few experts chime in. 

Oh, 10 years later, all is fine.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Actually, hot bending does NOT work harden stainless steel.  That is what happens when you bend it cold.


Bending austenitic stainless steel and keeping full strength is a very fussy project.  Temperature for bending and temperature for re-annealing the metal are different and not likely to be well done by someone inexperienced on a large piece.

Done “at home” it is very likely that BOTH hot and cold bending will reduce the ultimate tensile strength.  If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests, in a press, quickly and all in one go to reduce further work hardening that already is present from the initial bend.

And Capt Richard is right: there aren’t very many properties of stainless that make it a better material to make an anchor out of compared to good galvanized carbon steel—but it IS pretty!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD—Ready to run south away from Winter!
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 31, 2016, at 09:07, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use. 
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site. 

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14




















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barry,

I had the anchor shank straightened with a cold hydraulic press, according to the instructions from Wasi about 10 years ago.

That gas solenoid valve is normally closed and an energised electromagnet holds it open. Energised electromagnets create heat to hold that valve open. When the energy is turned off a spring returns the valve to it normally closed position.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,
The straightened shaft seems strong. I make sure it's dug in properly and have pulled on it very hard.
Did you straighten yours with just a press?
 I doubt I will pull it from under a rock again like I did. We had dragged at night with 25 knot wind in weed and I woke when we snagged the rock, it was a jolt, we were about 15ft from a sheer cliff face. I just started the engine drove forward and pulled the anchor up from the rock that had saved us from kissing this cliff face. As I mentioned the windlass on a 54 is so strong, plus I guess I was in forward motion.
I had some different suggestions about how to straighten the shaft. In the end I stuck with what the guy from Wasi told me. Wasi did say that they would not guarantee that it would have the same strength as before. They said it should be OK but the only way to be 10 0% was to buy a new anchor.
I have though upgraded my 15kg Plough anchor to a 25kg Delta anchor after speaking to and on the advise from Amel. Amel said they put the 25kg Delta on the 55.
I am sure that my straightened shaft for sure will not bend again under normal use. 
It took over 2 hours to straighten with heating and cooling, I then polished the shaft.
Also you might remember my query some time ago about a very hot LP gas solenoid. I just got my thermal thermometer so as soon as I check that gas solenoid I will let you know how hot it gets when left switched on. I have been very careful not to leave this solenoid switched on. Hope that I don't have a problem with this gas solenoid as it is new and the correct 24v.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa Sicily


On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Actually, hot bending does NOT work harden stainless steel.  That is what happens when you bend it cold.

Bending austenitic stainless steel and keeping full strength is a very fussy project.  Temperature for bending and temperature for re-annealing the metal are different and not likely to be well done by someone inexperienced on a large piece.

Done “at home” it is very likely that BOTH hot and cold bending will reduce the ultimate tensile strength.  If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests, in a press, quickly and all in one go to reduce further work hardening that already is present from the initial bend.

And Capt Richard is right: there aren’t very many properties of stainless that make it a better material to make an anchor out of compared to good galvanized carbon steel—but it IS pretty!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD—Ready to run south away from Winter!
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 31, 2016, at 09:07, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use. 
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site. 

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14



















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Barry Connor
 

Hi Captain Richard,
Do you know how I could test if my straightened s/steel shaft could now be brittle.
My new Delta 25kg is galvanized steel.
Should I swap the Wasi and use the Delta as my primary?
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. # 17
Marina di Ragusa Sicily



On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill,
The straightened shaft seems strong. I make sure it's dug in properly and have pulled on it very hard.
Did you straighten yours with just a press?
 I doubt I will pull it from under a rock again like I did. We had dragged at night with 25 knot wind in weed and I woke when we snagged the rock, it was a jolt, we were about 15ft from a sheer cliff face. I just started the engine drove forward and pulled the anchor up from the rock that had saved us from kissing this cliff face. As I mentioned the windlass on a 54 is so strong, plus I guess I was in forward motion.
I had some different suggestions about how to straighten the shaft. In the end I stuck with what the guy from Wasi told me. Wasi did say that they would not guarantee that it would have the same strength as before. They said it should be OK but the only way to be 100% was to buy a new anchor.
I have though upgraded my 15kg Plough anchor to a 25kg Delta anchor after speaking to and on the advise from Amel. Amel said they put the 25kg Delta on the 55.
I am sure that my straightened shaft for sure will not bend again under normal use. 
It took over 2 hours to straighten with heating and cooling, I then polished the shaft.
Also you might remember my query some time ago about a very hot LP gas solenoid. I just got my thermal thermometer so as soon as I check that gas solenoid I will let you know how hot it gets when left switched on. I have been very careful not to leave this solenoid switched on. Hope that I don't have a problem with this gas solenoid as it is new and the correct 24v.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa Sicily


On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gerhard,

Let me try to help you via long distance, as best as I can:

The Onan on BeBe has a Governor, Actuator  Part Number 306-5006-01 which replaced old#151-0779-01 . This governor keeps the Onan engine at 1,500 RPM regardless of load. As the load increases, RPM the governor increases the throttle to keep the RPM set at 1500.

The governor is controlled by the PCB electronic control board.

Assuming that you do not have a fuel problem, I would do the following, in this order.
  1. Check the load on the Onan by measuring the amps at the main line or main breaker on the breaker panel to ensure that you do not have a load caused by some sort of short or defective device.
  2. Check electrical connections from the PCB to the Governor, Actuator. Unplug the spade connectors and coat them with corrosionX
  3. Check the wiring harness and 3 connections to the PCB, coat these with corrosionX
  4. Check the PCB ground and coat with corrosionX...and check the two or three ground straps on the Onan for continuity and coat with corrosionX
  5. If you still have a problem, it is likely the PCB or the Governor, Actuator. You may want to contact the following Onan dealer:
    Eneq Limited
    49 Geroulanou Street
    17455 Alimos
    Tel: (30) 210 9886621
    savvasonan@...
  6. The Governor, Actuator will be around 250-300 euros,and the PCB will be about 1100 euros. It might be worth it to try a Governor, Actuator because if it solves your problem, you will save time and money.
Best,

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:48 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


My generator is not running properly for the last few days.  It starts off fine for about 20 minutes and then revolusions go up and down in a wave pattern which gets worse and sounds like it's going to stall but it hasn't stalled yet.  When I turn it off there are no fault messages.  I've changed the primary and the Onan fuel filter and that hasn't fixed the problem.  It doesn't really sound like fuel starvation as the ups and downs are too even for that.


Has anybody got any suggestions what I could look for?  Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM 381 Pepino

Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi all,


My generator is not running properly for the last few days.  It starts off fine for about 20 minutes and then revolusions go up and down in a wave pattern which gets worse and sounds like it's going to stall but it hasn't stalled yet.  When I turn it off there are no fault messages.  I've changed the primary and the Onan fuel filter and that hasn't fixed the problem.  It doesn't really sound like fuel starvation as the ups and downs are too even for that.


Has anybody got any suggestions what I could look for?  Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM 381 Pepino

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my  30kg Wasi  stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily



On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity gives me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14 


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
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On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity gives me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS