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Insurance coverage

Patrick McAneny
 

In late June I had damage from a lightning strike. I was asked by a member of the group , who I was insured with . When I responded Pantaenius , they asked if I would report back on my experience , which was echoed by a couple others.

While there was no evidence of a direct hit , all my electronics were damaged from ais to ssb , everything , except the TV, dvd and a couple of fans . I won't post what the final cost was, but it was well over 50K , twice what I would have thought , and took three times longer to repair than I would have thought.

While the whole process took longer than I would have liked. Pantaenius was for the most part not responsible for that. From my experience, I found them to be fair and willing to meet their responsibility to reimburse me for all the losses and expenses incurred . I don't mean this to be a plug for Pantaenius , but only fulfilling a promise to give an assessment of my experience.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

Bob Grey
 

Hi guys, last year 10nm off Sydney, based on my AIS plotting I had to call a container ship on ch 16 VHS to point out he was on a direct intercept and 1 nm away. The radio was answered immediately by a grumpy crew, who asked who I was and where I was. After 30 seconds he came back with ok I see you and altered course. It was 3 am and he was not obviously not watching his AIS or had his alarm on. My experience is  every ship with AIS will pass at least 1nm beam, astern or forward of us so I was concerned as soon as I saw this ship not following protocol. I'm not sure what his watch was based on, probably radar and visual and didn't see my mastheads or my radar signature. 

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3
A55 #25



On Wednesday, November 2, 2016, 3:21 am, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Assuming that you are discussing International waters, COLREGS Rule 7 Risk of collision requires: "(All) Vessels must use all available means to determine the risk of a collision, including the use of radar (if available) to get early warning of the risk of collision by radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. (e.g. ARPA, AIS)." 

In short, this means that if any vessel has any aids to navigation to prevent a collision, that vessel and crew are required to use all of them. If you have a radar reflector and don't hoist it, or if you have radar and don't have it on you are in violation of Rule 7.

I hope this helps you...there are a lot of myths and non-truths told and retold by many sailors. 


Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

I don't know how true it is or not, but I read in several places that ships are not obliged to monitor AIS, besides to have it available on a small screen.  But they are obliged to monitor radar, and for larger ships radar is recorded for eventual investigations, so special attention is paid to it.

In the meantime, John from Echomax said mounting the Active-XS unit near to the side of a mast is a bad idea.  It must either be on top of a mast or suspended between spreaders or backstays.

Martin, I think a good place for passive radar reflectors is above the radar on the mizzen mast, about mid-way between radar and top.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

I would say it is the other way around with the big ships and Radar/AIS. They tend to look more at the AIS than on the radar …

 

One important thing when mounting a radar reflector. Make shure it does its work even aft of your boat. We have hade one very nasty experience with a sailingyacht that we overtook. We didn’t see it until we were almost side by side and when we had passed the boat it was very clear on the radar. It was dark, rainy and windy.

 

/Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998

Portugal.

 

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Assuming that you are discussing International waters, COLREGS Rule 7 Risk of collision requires: "(All) Vessels must use all available means to determine the risk of a collision, including the use of radar (if available) to get early warning of the risk of collision by radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. (e.g. ARPA, AIS)." 

In short, this means that if any vessel has any aids to navigation to prevent a collision, that vessel and crew are required to use all of them. If you have a radar reflector and don't hoist it, or if you have radar and don't have it on you are in violation of Rule 7.

I hope this helps you...there are a lot of myths and non-truths told and retold by many sailors. 


Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

I don't know how true it is or not, but I read in several places that ships are not obliged to monitor AIS, besides to have it available on a small screen.  But they are obliged to monitor radar, and for larger ships radar is recorded for eventual investigations, so special attention is paid to it.

In the meantime, John from Echomax said mounting the Active-XS unit near to the side of a mast is a bad idea.  It must either be on top of a mast or suspended between spreaders or backstays.

Martin, I think a good place for passive radar reflectors is above the radar on the mizzen mast, about mid-way between radar and top.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Job car track forward end

Mike Ondra
 

Due to a car failure we are replacing the Antal jib car. To slide the old car off and new car on we had to remove the forward termination block. This was secured by a 3 inch or so eye bolt. It came out with difficulty, but eventually was coaxed out.
However in reassembly the bolt threads are not catching anything. In fact even without the block in place the bolt simply drops to the deck.
The drawing showing the crossection indicates a bent plate backer, presumably with tapped holes,
behind the fiberglass into which the stanchions and jib track are screwed. The area under this appears inaccessible behind the saloon cabinets.
The eye bolt extraction required a significant amount of up force and one could imagine there was a nut in the other end that was being held in place by the up force until fully unscrewed. An inaccessible nut does not comport with the quality of Amel design.
Has anyone had experience with this bolt? Any insights or solutions?
Mike Ondra
Altered SM#240
St. Augustine bound.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid


Re: removing imarsat

Gary Wells
 

Ben, I could not do it with the connector on. I had to go with pushing a wire, then a small string first, then lashed the cable and pulled and pushed alternately through the sealant.
I tried digging some of the sealant out and that helped a bit.
It's not ~that~ hard, just in a bad spot to try to reach it.
Ultimately I needed to use a screw-down/crimped gold connector at the antenna. As mentioned, not the best but it's workable and easy to replace if it corrodes.


Re: Removing Imarsat

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Our GO! hangs from the bottom of the shelf to starboard of the companionway, i.e. just above the entrance to the passageway.  Its antenna resides where Amel originally installed the Furuno GPS antenna, i.e., on the aft port corner of the boat.  A new cable was installed that follows the original Amel installation.

Reception is excellent.  I tested it without the antenna under the bimini, and I was able to get it to work, but performance was uneven, probably because of the flexible solar panels zippered on to the bimini.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Cervia (near Ravenna)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bill,


Thanks for your quick response and your excellent advice.  I followed your instructions and the generator runs better now but after half an hour it still runs somewhat uneven.  I'll be back in my winter berth soon and I'll go all over it thoroughly again but I will get a governor actuator from the dealer in Athens anyway.


Many thanks and enjoy your last few weeks on your boat.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM 381 Pepino

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Assuming that you are discussing International waters, COLREGS Rule 7 Risk of collision requires: "(All) Vessels must use all available means to determine the risk of a collision, including the use of radar (if available) to get early warning of the risk of collision by radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. (e.g. ARPA, AIS)." 

In short, this means that if any vessel has any aids to navigation to prevent a collision, that vessel and crew are required to use all of them. If you have a radar reflector and don't hoist it, or if you have radar and don't have it on you are in violation of Rule 7.

I hope this helps you...there are a lot of myths and non-truths told and retold by many sailors. 


Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:51 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

I don't know how true it is or not, but I read in several places that ships are not obliged to monitor AIS, besides to have it available on a small screen.  But they are obliged to monitor radar, and for larger ships radar is recorded for eventual investigations, so special attention is paid to it.

In the meantime, John from Echomax said mounting the Active-XS unit near to the side of a mast is a bad idea.  It must either be on top of a mast or suspended between spreaders or backstays.

Martin, I think a good place for passive radar reflectors is above the radar on the mizzen mast, about mid-way between radar and top.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I don't know how true it is or not, but I read in several places that ships are not obliged to monitor AIS, besides to have it available on a small screen.  But they are obliged to monitor radar, and for larger ships radar is recorded for eventual investigations, so special attention is paid to it.

In the meantime, John from Echomax said mounting the Active-XS unit near to the side of a mast is a bad idea.  It must either be on top of a mast or suspended between spreaders or backstays.

Martin, I think a good place for passive radar reflectors is above the radar on the mizzen mast, about mid-way between radar and top.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug


Re: Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi I bought a 6-man self-righting Sea Safe liferaft approved for Ocean going, combined with a grab bag.  Cheaper models are either coastal only or are not self righting. 

Sea Safe can be serviced in many locations.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

No I do not, but I am also aware that there are life rafts sold which are not rated for open ocean. I know someone who bought one only to find out later.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:51 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have knowledge of Sea Safe life rafts?  We are replacing our old 8 man Bombard and this brand looks like good buy but can't seem to find any solid reviews.


Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita 

SM 347

In Grenada 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor wash pump and toilet bowl

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Since the anchor wash pump was installed in several locations by Amel over the course of the SM production, you may want to state which pump yo have and where it is located.

Some pumps can have a defective or leaking valve which will cause it to pump some water backwards...this could be the explanation.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:39 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello

When using my anchor wash pump both my toilet bowls get full of salt water, any one experience the same and new the cause and remedy?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259 currently on Cape Verde



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I bought the external antenna kit so committed to install.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

We mounted our GO at the nav station. In that position the flip up antenna works terrible, but with the external we have great reception. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Nov 1, 2016, at 07:47, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Anyone have knowledge of Sea Safe life rafts?  We are replacing our old 8 man Bombard and this brand looks like good buy but can't seem to find any solid reviews.


Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita 

SM 347

In Grenada 


Anchor wash pump and toilet bowl

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello

When using my anchor wash pump both my toilet bowls get full of salt water, any one experience the same and new the cause and remedy?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259 currently on Cape Verde


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ben,

We mounted our GO at the nav station. In that position the flip up antenna works terrible, but with the external we have great reception. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Nov 1, 2016, at 07:47, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: removing imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Gary.  This is exactly  what I must do.  Thanks for detail on obstacles to overcome.  I did suspect punching through rear lazarette would be troublesome - especially when cable has a connector on end which must pass through. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 1, 2016, at 3:23 AM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just got done running a new cable from the mount in the backstays to the cockpit for the AIS antenna. It is not a terribly difficult task, the cable lives in the chase/tray along port side all the way from the stern, through the big lazarette and into the cabling area behind the autohelm/steering complex.
It was difficult punching it through the sealant in the skinny space between the big fat lazarette and the aft cabin bulkhead (a narrow workspace and the propane hose is nearby) and I also had to climb into the cockpit lazarette to get it run straight ... which of course led to even more projects month list :) but all in all, not too tough. Lots of wire-ties and a bit of grunting but except for the one spot in the aft not too difficult of a pull.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Martin,

I believe the only reason to have a active radar enhancer is because you do not have an active AIS transponder, but with the price and benefits of AIS, I would never choose one over AIS. AND, an active radar enhancer will only enhance you as a radar target, but you will not receive enhanced radar returns.

If someone already has an AIS transponder and wants more, I suppose it will not hurt, but the number one problem that I see with an active radar enhancer is that you will never know when it is not transmitting properly. It does not take long to know if AIS is working properly.

When I wired our AMEC CAMINO AIS transponder, I used NMEA input from the GPS, eliminating the additional GPS antenna, and the AM/FM antenna on a Super Maramu for the antenna. I have a experienced about 12-18 miles transmission and about 25-30 miles reception. I bought a automobile flexible AM/FM antenna for the radio which lives inside the electronics drawer...works fine.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:47 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Why would you need this, if you have an active AIS?

Martin
S/Y CHIARA
Amel 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 22:51 schrieb eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast cou ld affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

luvkante
 

Does anybody please have a photo of a EM 230 installation on his mast available?
I am concerned of drilling holes into the mast and damaging something like cables in the cable channel.

What is the best location and fixing for a passive reflector like the Echomax EM230?

Martin S/Y CHIARA
AMEL 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 22:51 schrieb eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast could affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug