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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water membranes replacement

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, When we were in St Martin same time as you and Sue , I bought a set of membranes there. It was next door to Water World , I can't  remember the name , you probably know where I mean , they could ship to Grenada. Great Waters in Fairhaven Ma. is the US. dealer , Diane just sent you their link. Good seeing you guys in Annapolis.
Pat SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2016 5:14 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water membranes replacement

 
I have tried looking on this site for a conversation about replacing the membranes and can not find same.
If any one could tell us of were to obtain the replacement membranes in the US with a telephone number would be greatly appreciated. Our system is a 160 - 180 litre per hour system.
We are in the process of arranging a shipment from Miami to St Martin.
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD 1 SM # 362


SSB Power Supply

sailor63109@...
 

I found the reason the SSB would not start up finally, there are two Mastervolt Magic 24 to 12 Volt converters, each supplying 20 amps.  They are both fed from one supply line, and there is only one load line leaving the converters.  Amel connected the loads from each of the two converters together, I suppose to get 40 amps.  I must have shorted them out when I was removing a satellite phone system that was wired to the SSB breaker.


1.  A local Ham operator asked me why I'm not just connecting the SSB to one of the batteries?  He noted that everything adds noise to the system: the SSB breaker, the converter, the 24volt connector behind the desk.  He suggested a direct wire with in-line fuses.  The converters cost about $800 so I'm all ears.  I suppose that drawing one battery down out of a pair would be a poor idea, any other downsides?


2.  I can't find anything on the Mastervolt site about repairs, any experience with having them do repairs?



Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lightning--in general

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,

(as you step down the salon), under the very first section of the first floor storage.
I slide it toward the support of the chair post (starboard).
This is also where I keep my AC battery charger for that battery.
I can take pictures if you want.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Mon, 11/7/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lightning--in general
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 7, 2016, 4:19 PM


 









Alexandre,
 Where do you keep your spare engine
start battery?
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  STILL in Tampa Bay









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Water membranes replacement

pflafrance@...
 

I have tried looking on this site for a conversation about replacing the membranes and can not find same.
If any one could tell us of were to obtain the replacement membranes in the US with a telephone number would be greatly appreciated. Our system is a 160 - 180 litre per hour system.
We are in the process of arranging a shipment from Miami to St Martin.
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD 1 SM # 362



Amel Super Maramu on the Wall Street Journal

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

I wonder if this is the first time the words "French-built Amel Super Maramu" appear on the WSJ. The article is about Delos.


The way I see it, this can only be good for the, alas!, unavoidable day when our boats must be sold, either by us, or by our inheritors.


Anyone interested in reading the article can try this link:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/office-hostage-escapes-to-sail-the-seas-re-creates-office-1478536723


If that does not give you access to the full article, the following will:

(1) Open a Google search page

(2) On the search field, paste: "Office Hostage Escapes to Sail the Seas, Re-Creates Office", without the quotes

(3) Google will return a link to the article.  Click on it.


If anyone interested can't access the article, write me and I'll e-mail a .pdf to you.


Cheerio,


Peregrinus

SM2K N. 350 - 2002

At anchor, Burano (Venice)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lightning--in general

Mark Erdos
 

Alexandre,

 

Where do you keep your spare engine start battery?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  STILL in Tampa Bay


Re: Lightning--in general

sbmesasailor
 

During our circumnavigation, we've encountered numerous lightning storms.  The thing about lightning is it is rarely sneaks up on you.  If you don't hear it, you see it (storm noted on the radar and then you see the bolts as you watch it close in on you) long before it reaches you.  That gives you plenty of time to take precautions -such as already noted here -placing vital redundant electronic widgets (gps, vhf, etc.) in the oven.  We do indeed fear being hit (hasn't happened yet) but only because of the inevitable down time and insurance entanglements of recovery.  We look at it as any other weather obstacle we have to be prepared for.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad
Granada


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mango Autopilot drive unit with Simrad AC42/NSS EVO12

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I put a power resistor in the clutch circuit to drop 24v to 12v so I could run the raymarine clutch on 12v while running the motor on 24v. 

On Nov 7, 2016, at 09:41, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Brian, on Peregrinus, a B&G (Simrad) AC42 drives either of the Raymarine drives most of the time.  This setup is in place since 2013 and so far, so good.  Anyone with a 24V AC42, like ours, needs a DC-DC converter to 12V on the clutch output, as the Raymarine clutches are uniquely 12V even on the 24V drives.  This is probably a non-issue for you. 


We do run the drives with the Raytheon T-300 computer via its ST7000+ keypad about once a week.

Cheerio,


SM2K Nr. 350
At anchor, Burano (Venice)


Re: anchor chain wash

Miles
 

Hello Patrick,

 

Thank you (and thank the others who have kindly responded to my call for help).  I think that I see how it goes.  The copper pipe is embedded in the fiberglass.  The yard is going to lay up the new fiberglass around a copper pipe as it used to be.   The higher pressure pump that you and others have suggested is a good idea and I may do someday.  For now, I (and the insurance company) will settle for putting it back like it was.  

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216  in a shed in Portsmouth, RI


Re: Mango Autopilot drive unit with Simrad AC42/NSS EVO12

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Brian, on Peregrinus, a B&G (Simrad) AC42 drives either of the Raymarine drives most of the time.  This setup is in place since 2013 and so far, so good.  Anyone with a 24V AC42, like ours, needs a DC-DC converter to 12V on the clutch output, as the Raymarine clutches are uniquely 12V even on the 24V drives.  This is probably a non-issue for you. 

We do run the drives with the Raytheon T-300 computer via its ST7000+ keypad about once a week.

Cheerio,


SM2K Nr. 350
At anchor, Burano (Venice)


Re: Mango Autopilot drive unit with Simrad AC42/NSS EVO12

greatketch@...
 

Brian,

On my last boat, a ketch of similar displacement to a Mango, I installed an Octopus LAR driven with a Simrad AC42 and was very pleased.  Octopus makes a number of different types of drives that all seem to have a good reputation.

I would definitely NOT use a drive that was marginally rated for the boat's displacement for offshore sailing. They can work hard and long, and one that was working near the high end of its power output a lot is certainly going to have a shorter life.

On Harmonie my primary pilot is the AC42 driving the Raymarine linear drive.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hilton Head Island, SC
Http://fetchinketch.net





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning--in general

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Lightning is also my biggest fear.

I took the full Celestial classes (in addition to the ASA 117 for noon site), have a Astra IIIB sextant, declinations table, up to date Nautical Almanac.
Unfortunately, I do not keep an error log for the ship clock and have not had the chance to know the deviation on the compass…

I have 3 Bad Elf (portable) GPS to send GPS signal to my 3 iPad running Navionics.
Only 1 Bad Elf at the time is connected to the vessel power (they last 1.5 days on battery).
I have older hand held GPS that will simply give me Lat/Long.
I have all the paper charts of where I am going.

I mentioned several time, one of my instructor said: “Alex, if there is a thunderstorm, start your engine - if you get hit, at least you still have your engine to enter the marina”.
So consequently I also carry a spare starting battery (not connected to anything) which I charge before every trip or once a month.

And I hope I never get hit…

Harbour View Marina
Alexandre Uster S/V NIKIMAT
Major Bay
East End
VG1110
British Virgin Island




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On Sun, 11/6/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning--in general
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 6, 2016, 8:10 PM


 









All good ideas. I've not done an Ocean
crossing yet, so haven't delved into this as I will
before I do.

All I can add now is that I put all portable electronics in
the oven when a thunderstorm approaches. I think there are
special covers that can be purchased which also act as
Faraday cages. I carry at least two of all electronic
navigation tools, and a small solar charger. At least one
backup is kept unattached to the boat's electrical
systems.



Lightning is my biggest fear on the water, as it is
unavoidable. I'll be interested in others' ideas
about this subject, too.



Kent

SM243 Kristy

karkauai@...

Kuna Yala, Panama













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Mango Autopilot drive unit with Simrad AC42/NSS EVO12

ifiddlediddle@...
 

I have update/replaced the original electronics package on my Mango with the Simrad NSS EVO/4G/.  I would like to install an integrated autopilot. I have the AC42 brain installed but would like to install an appropriately sized autopilot drive unit capable of handling the coconut milk run (pacific trade winds).  The boatyard suggested the HLD2000L Drive Unit as it's 12v matches the boat's wiring, but the max displacement tonnage is only 20, putting it very close to the Mango's displacement.


My question is, does anybody have this configuration and if so, does it work well?  And if not, can somebody suggest a good drive unit for this setup on a Mango?

 

Thank you in advance!


-brian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning--in general

karkauai
 

All good ideas. I've not done an Ocean crossing yet, so haven't delved into this as I will before I do.
All I can add now is that I put all portable electronics in the oven when a thunderstorm approaches. I think there are special covers that can be purchased which also act as Faraday cages. I carry at least two of all electronic navigation tools, and a small solar charger. At least one backup is kept unattached to the boat's electrical systems.

Lightning is my biggest fear on the water, as it is unavoidable. I'll be interested in others' ideas about this subject, too.

Kent
SM243 Kristy
karkauai@...
Kuna Yala, Panama


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightning--in general

James Alton
 

Bill,

I agree in general with your belts and suspenders approach to having redundancy in all critical systems. I will be carrying my Weems and Plath sextant + tables. I thought that I would mention that in my experience electronics are not created equal with respect to their ability to survive lightning or other huge electrical surges. This was illustrated pretty well years back when one of our customers connected with the OH lines running from a power plant. This was enough power to melt the rigging clevis pins and weld some of the turnbuckles together and burn the heavy lightning protection back 18” from the keel bolts (the hull was undamaged and watertight) . Even cabin lights that were not on were burnt out all over the boat..every single one. The main surge came down the VHF antennae and blew the metal case off of the VHF, spewing the melted bits of the internals all over the underside of the wheelhouse. Sitting right next to the VHF no more than 2” away was a Magellan GPS that supposed to be hardened and was Mil Spec. It was wired into the fried electrical system yet it was the only surviving electrical device on the boat and still worked perfectly. I am carrying a Mil spec. Toughbook which has Nav, software, it’s own internal GPS along with at least three other GPS’s to add redundancy. It would be interesting to know what testing has been done to see which devices have the most protection.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Sardinia

On Nov 6, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I am going to hijack and rename this thread and ask a question of the group to help me think of what I might have forgotten.


When I was teaching sailing, it was not unusual for students to ask me if I carried a sextant and knew how to use it. My answer was “Yes.” Most would follow up with a question, “But, why?” Which let me explain that any boat (as Pat and several others have painfully found out!) is one lightening bolt away from the 19th century. In a direct lightning hit you pretty much have to assume that every electronic widget on the boat, turned-on or not, plugged-in in or not, will be toast.

If that happens at your home dock, it is an expensive inconvenience. If it happened half way between Panama and the Marquesas many sailors these days would be literally lost. It seems even the ability to keep a DR plot on a chart isn’t considered a core skill anymore. And even people who appreciate its importance don’t practice.

Have you thought about how to handle this? Here are the things I have thought of specifically related to our Amel and would like additional input from others who might have thought about this, or heaven forbid, experienced it.

Sextant and long term navigation tables. Even without a working timepiece I can at least find latitude.

Water: A manual pump to get water out of the tank, and spare jerry cans of water. Enough for crew for two weeks on "starvation" rations.

Enough dry and preserved food that we won’t starve if the coolers stop working.

Steering—Still learning how to keep the Amel on a steady course with just her sails. She’s a bit fussier than my old ketch, but I am getting better at it.

What other systems would we miss enough to think about backups in case of a total electrical system meltdown?

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Hilton Head Island, SC
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/>





On Nov 3, 2016, at 16:34, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hello Pat,

I can totally relate to all the time you spent moving the boat, plus determining what was damaged…
Yes hopefully this is the only claim for both of us !!!
Hope we meet sometime!

Alexandre

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On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 3:25 PM













Alexandre, I feel for you,, and even though
I did not have to argue with my insurance co. over coverage
, the process was very time consuming. I have probably
invested 50 or more hours pouring over estimates ,consulting
with the electrician and emailing back and forth between him
and Pantaenius. Not to mention the days to move the boat and
days there to determine damage and how to proceed . I also
lost four month use of my boat, the whole summer. Lets hope
this will be our last claim for the both of us.

Pat

SM #123







-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 12:53 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
























Hello Pat,





I am honestly sick to think about it.


I could go in detail and mention all the work “my”
insurance ask me to do (like proving how much I am spending
on marina since I own the boat, justification of phone
records, etc. ) countless hours and still unsure why as they
never paid for any of that either…


I am only 45 and all my life heard horrible stories about
insurance, I never believed it until now…





Anyway, I am glad they are ethic insurance.





Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage


To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>


Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 9:16 AM









































Alexandre, I now remember your posts at the


time of your incident. No wonder you are looking for a
new


insurance carrier. It certainly does not seem fair ,that


when you were at zero fault, that you were not made
whole,


sorry about that. As to listing the equipment replaced ,
I


type slowly with two fingers and at my age , I cannot


afford to devote the time it would take. My wife knows
how


to copy and post, I will see if that's possible ,


although it may make for a boring read.





Good Luck,





Pat























-----Original


Message-----





From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>





To: amelyachtowners


<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>





Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 9:12 am





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage










































































Hello Pat,








Mine was not a lightning strike (I was in my slip at the


marina and someone run into me).








In my case, they did not cover the marina charge as the


expert originally Rousselon said, plus made me waste 3


months to wait for a quote which they thought would be


cheaper (and was not)…








Via DeLassee, they put “vetuste” (antiquated) on


everything from navigation light, bulb, etc. and did not


want to go after the other insurance, as hiring a lawyer
was


not worth it…








So even thought I was at zero fault, only 20% of the
cost


were reimbursed…

















Anyway, very happy for you that Pantenius took good care
of


you and paid 100% it is good to know for every body.

















May be it would be interesting for some of us, to see
the


list of the equipment damaged (including the on eno the
grey


area) as some of us might simply forget about something
in


case of a lightning strike…

















Sincerely, Alexandre








SM2K #289 NIKIMAT








Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

















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On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>


wrote:

















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage








To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>








Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 6:59 AM





























































































































Alexandre, Dealing with this for four months








was a pain , I can't imagine dragging the process


out








for two years. I don't know if we are comparing


apples








to apples , if you had a lightning strike. Pantenius


only








denied coverage on one item and I could understand it


being








a grey area , so we backed it out. Otherwise they


covered








everything , marina charges , new equipment , and labor


100%








.

















Pat SM#123







































































-----Original








Message-----

















From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>








[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

















To: amelyachtowners








<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

















Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 6:27 am

















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
































































































































































































































Good morning Pat,


























This is good to know as I have been considering


Pantenius








instead of what Delassee sign me with as they
reimbursed


me








20% of the damages and expenses… not to mention it
took


2








years…





















































Sincerely, Alexandre


























SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


























Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI





















































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On Wed, 11/2/16, sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>








[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>








wrote:





















































Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage


























To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>


























Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016, 7:45 PM






























































































































































































































































































































































In late June I had damage from a


























lightning strike. I was asked by a member of the group


























, who I was insured with . When I responded


Pantaenius








,


























they asked if I would report back on my experience ,








which


























was echoed by a couple others.While


























there was no evidence of a direct hit , all my








electronics


























were damaged from ais to ssb , everything , except the








TV,


























dvd and a couple of fans . I won't post what the








final


























cost was, but it was well over 50K , twice what I


would


























have thought , and took three times longer to repair


than








I


























would have thought.While the whole


























process took longer than I would have liked.
Pantaenius








was


























for the most part not responsible for that. From my


























experience, I found them to be fair and willing to
meet


























their responsibility to reimburse me for all the
losses








and


























expenses incurred . I don't mean this to be a plug








for


























Pantaenius , but only fulfilling a promise to give an


























assessment of my


























experience.Thanks,Pat


























SM Shenanigans





































































































































































































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Lightning--in general

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I am going to hijack and rename this thread and ask a question of the group to help me think of what I might have forgotten.

When I was teaching sailing, it was not unusual for students to ask me if I carried a sextant and knew how to use it. My answer was “Yes.” Most would follow up with a question, “But, why?” Which let me explain that any boat (as Pat and several others have painfully found out!) is one lightening bolt away from the 19th century. In a direct lightning hit you pretty much have to assume that every electronic widget on the boat, turned-on or not, plugged-in in or not, will be toast.

If that happens at your home dock, it is an expensive inconvenience. If it happened half way between Panama and the Marquesas many sailors these days would be literally lost. It seems even the ability to keep a DR plot on a chart isn’t considered a core skill anymore. And even people who appreciate its importance don’t practice.

Have you thought about how to handle this? Here are the things I have thought of specifically related to our Amel and would like additional input from others who might have thought about this, or heaven forbid, experienced it.

Sextant and long term navigation tables. Even without a working timepiece I can at least find latitude.

Water: A manual pump to get water out of the tank, and spare jerry cans of water. Enough for crew for two weeks on "starvation" rations.

Enough dry and preserved food that we won’t starve if the coolers stop working.

Steering—Still learning how to keep the Amel on a steady course with just her sails. She’s a bit fussier than my old ketch, but I am getting better at it.

What other systems would we miss enough to think about backups in case of a total electrical system meltdown?

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Hilton Head Island, SC
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/>

On Nov 3, 2016, at 16:34, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Pat,

I can totally relate to all the time you spent moving the boat, plus determining what was damaged…
Yes hopefully this is the only claim for both of us !!!
Hope we meet sometime!

Alexandre

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On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 3:25 PM













Alexandre, I feel for you,, and even though
I did not have to argue with my insurance co. over coverage
, the process was very time consuming. I have probably
invested 50 or more hours pouring over estimates ,consulting
with the electrician and emailing back and forth between him
and Pantaenius. Not to mention the days to move the boat and
days there to determine damage and how to proceed . I also
lost four month use of my boat, the whole summer. Lets hope
this will be our last claim for the both of us.

Pat

SM #123







-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 12:53 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
























Hello Pat,





I am honestly sick to think about it.


I could go in detail and mention all the work “my”
insurance ask me to do (like proving how much I am spending
on marina since I own the boat, justification of phone
records, etc. ) countless hours and still unsure why as they
never paid for any of that either…


I am only 45 and all my life heard horrible stories about
insurance, I never believed it until now…





Anyway, I am glad they are ethic insurance.





Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage


To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>


Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 9:16 AM









































Alexandre, I now remember your posts at the


time of your incident. No wonder you are looking for a
new


insurance carrier. It certainly does not seem fair ,that


when you were at zero fault, that you were not made
whole,


sorry about that. As to listing the equipment replaced ,
I


type slowly with two fingers and at my age , I cannot


afford to devote the time it would take. My wife knows
how


to copy and post, I will see if that's possible ,


although it may make for a boring read.





Good Luck,





Pat























-----Original


Message-----





From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>





To: amelyachtowners


<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>





Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 9:12 am





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage










































































Hello Pat,








Mine was not a lightning strike (I was in my slip at the


marina and someone run into me).








In my case, they did not cover the marina charge as the


expert originally Rousselon said, plus made me waste 3


months to wait for a quote which they thought would be


cheaper (and was not)…








Via DeLassee, they put “vetuste” (antiquated) on


everything from navigation light, bulb, etc. and did not


want to go after the other insurance, as hiring a lawyer
was


not worth it…








So even thought I was at zero fault, only 20% of the
cost


were reimbursed…

















Anyway, very happy for you that Pantenius took good care
of


you and paid 100% it is good to know for every body.

















May be it would be interesting for some of us, to see
the


list of the equipment damaged (including the on eno the
grey


area) as some of us might simply forget about something
in


case of a lightning strike…

















Sincerely, Alexandre








SM2K #289 NIKIMAT








Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

















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On Thu, 11/3/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>


wrote:

















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage








To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>








Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016, 6:59 AM





























































































































Alexandre, Dealing with this for four months








was a pain , I can't imagine dragging the process


out








for two years. I don't know if we are comparing


apples








to apples , if you had a lightning strike. Pantenius


only








denied coverage on one item and I could understand it


being








a grey area , so we backed it out. Otherwise they


covered








everything , marina charges , new equipment , and labor


100%








.

















Pat SM#123







































































-----Original








Message-----

















From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>








[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

















To: amelyachtowners








<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>

















Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 6:27 am

















Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage
































































































































































































































Good morning Pat,


























This is good to know as I have been considering


Pantenius








instead of what Delassee sign me with as they
reimbursed


me








20% of the damages and expenses… not to mention it
took


2








years…





















































Sincerely, Alexandre


























SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


























Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI





















































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On Wed, 11/2/16, sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...>








[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>








wrote:





















































Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance coverage


























To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>


























Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016, 7:45 PM






























































































































































































































































































































































In late June I had damage from a


























lightning strike. I was asked by a member of the group


























, who I was insured with . When I responded


Pantaenius








,


























they asked if I would report back on my experience ,








which


























was echoed by a couple others.While


























there was no evidence of a direct hit , all my








electronics


























were damaged from ais to ssb , everything , except the








TV,


























dvd and a couple of fans . I won't post what the








final


























cost was, but it was well over 50K , twice what I


would


























have thought , and took three times longer to repair


than








I


























would have thought.While the whole


























process took longer than I would have liked.
Pantaenius








was


























for the most part not responsible for that. From my


























experience, I found them to be fair and willing to
meet


























their responsibility to reimburse me for all the
losses








and


























expenses incurred . I don't mean this to be a plug








for


























Pantaenius , but only fulfilling a promise to give an


























assessment of my


























experience.Thanks,Pat


























SM Shenanigans





































































































































































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor chain wash

Patrick McAneny
 

Miles, I took several pics, but I don't think they would help you . With the anchor on the rollers and being in a dinghy trying not to lose my wife's  Iphone overboard , I got nothing of value. I had to turn on the water just to see where the water originates . It appears as you said , to come out of the port fiberglass structure of the bow roller . One would have to be on the hard ,on a ladder , with the anchor out of the way to be able to see where the water actually comes out. If reconstructing it became a  problem ,I would just opt for a hose /high pressure wand in the port locker , works much better , especially for mud. If you would still like the photos , say the word.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 6:22 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor chain wash

 
I am in the process of rebuilding the bow on my 1998 Super Maramu after something ran into my boat on its mooring, and I am in need of help.
I am reconstructing the anchor chain wash and I need to know how it was led to the outlet and where and how the end nozzle was attached.  All that I have now is a mangled copper pipe that comes out of the port fiberglass where the brown fiberglass bow part starts.  This pipe looks like it was in the fiberglass and came out over the chain above the chain roller (all gone).  I also have a plastic nozzle that would have directed a horizontal stream of water downward.
Could anyone who is near or on a pre-2000 Super Maramu, please take a photo of the chain washer and send it to me at milesbid at gmail.com .    
Regards,
Miles
 s/y Ladybug, now in a shed at NEB, Portsmouth, RI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Housing

James Alton
 

Bill,

   I am in agreement with all of your comments on the Amel Bow Thruster.  If starting from scratch today, I am not sure that it would be possible to improve much if any over the original design.  

  When you are steering in reverse using your thruster, do you lock or also use your rudder to steer?  

  I think that I read that the SM has a lock out switch that prevents the unit from being accidentally operated when retracted.  It appears that my Maramu does not have this safety feature so only the toggle switch on the exterior control panel disables the system once the breakers are on.  Do you know if the thruster would be damaged if accidentally run in the retracted position?  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 5, 2016, at 11:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

The design of the retractable Amel Bow Thruster was an amazing feat for a small yacht builder when it was originally done. The unique design and Amel's use of materials and electrical power to accomplish it's mission and last a very long time had never been done before. 

It should be treated with respect and with care. It should be removed and serviced every 2 years. It should be properly deployed (down), used, and stored (up) in the minimum  time frame necessary to do its job. As soon as the thrusting job is complete raise it, even if you do not have time to lock it in place with the pin, but do that ASAP. 

If there are any loose lines in an area, don't use the bow thruster. Have a crew member signal the helmsman when it is safe and not safe to use the bow thruster. Always have 2 sets of consumable bow thruster parts on hand. 

If you cannot do the above, learn how to do without the Amel Bow Thruster, and never turn it ON 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Carriacou, Grenada, WI
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Nov 5, 2016 8:38 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Could you share some of your knowledge and experience with the Amel bow thruster?  For instance,  what techniques do you find work best when backing using the thruster?  Also what procedures do you have in place to prevent possible damage and what are the usual consequences of say picking up a lazy/mooring line?  ( which is something I worry about, especially since it is not always clear when a helper is hauling one up for you…)

    I have found the Amel bow thruster to be an amazing tool, especially when backing, but I am sure that there is still a lot that I can learn.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy
   
On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:34 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



If I were you, I would go to a boatyard that not only has another Santorin (I assume you have a Santorin), but also a contractor capable of fabricating a replacement, or repairing what you have. Virtually anything made of fiberglass can be repaired or replaced.

I note that you did not sign your email, give your boat name, hull number and location. It is possible that another owner is near you and could help directly, but when you do not sign your postings, you will never know.

Bill
BeBe 387
Grenada, WI, Caribbean 

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 5:03 AM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi forum, Unfortunately in the last summer when sailed out of a congested harbour in Greece, my bow thruster housing, (the bottom part which is is used as cover aligned with the hull when bow thruster is up, just under the prop) was ripped off by a heavy chain of an anchor we have lifted and released. Currently, the bow thruster is functioning as the point of breaking is just under the shaft, but the in/out let hole in the hull is not covered when the bow thruster is in up position.


Amel has no drawings or measurements neither new piece for replacement or rebuild of the same.


Any Idea how to fix / rebuild this?


BTW - conclusion of this event - you can never be over careful when your bow thruster is down!!!


 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Housing

James Alton
 

Ben,
  My boat is a Maramu with a straight shaft so handles differently perhaps than the Santorin.  I have been able to back my boat without using the thruster under calm conditions.  My boat also backs to Port so when setting up for my final turn in front of the dock or quay I time it so that the stern ends up a little too far to stb., then add a shot of reverse to get her moving that is sufficient to orient the stern correctly.  I then go into neutral and the boat steers pretty well, the key being to correct any minor deviations without delay since the hull (like all sailboats that I am aware) of is inherently unstable backing.  If the stern starts to get out of control, some forward thrust across the rudder gives me a chance to straighten out again but I need to once again leave the stern a bit too far to stb. To allow for the walk to Port when reversing.  
Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Santorin LO santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-05-2016 12:45 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Housing


 

Thanks Bill, Ric, James and Patric, for the valuable advice and picture (Ric).
My boat is Santorin and she is in Rhodes right now but planning to do this work in Marmaris exactly for the reason of more chances to find another Santorin there. 

Regarding using the bow thruster, I would add to Bill's comments also -
1. before and while dropping dow the bow thruster - I will always check below for ropes or other floating hazards.
2. If possible, ideally alway s when operating the bow thruster a person at the bow looking down to make sure the bow thruster area is clear.

I found the bow thruster not only handy, but crucial for reversing as my boat will only go reverse and Portside no matter what my steering is. If anyone in the forum ever reversing without the bow thruster I would really like to know how could the boat be steered.

Have no prob to share more details with any of you on email to email basis.

Thanks, Ben
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Housing

Ben "Santorin LO"
 

Thanks Bill, Ric, James and Patric, for the valuable advice and picture (Ric).
My boat is Santorin and she is in Rhodes right now but planning to do this work in Marmaris exactly for the reason of more chances to find another Santorin there. 

Regarding using the bow thruster, I would add to Bill's comments also -
1. before and while dropping dow the bow thruster - I will always check below for ropes or other floating hazards.
2. If possible, ideally always when operating the bow thruster a person at the bow looking down to make sure the bow thruster area is clear.

I found the bow thruster not only handy, but crucial for reversing as my boat will only go reverse and Portside no matter what my steering is. If anyone in the forum ever reversing without the bow thruster I would really like to know how could the boat be steered.

Have no prob to share more details with any of you on email to email basis.

Thanks, Ben