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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Dave, The fitting for your pipe/hose connection is in the forward port locker in the top aft section. The Amel automatic system works just fine in ordinary conditions, but in real heavy muddy conditions, ie the Cheasapeake Bay, I took the conection apart and used a hose conection and a 10 foot hose with a nozzle and I use that to spray water directly on the chain. It really blasts the heavy mud off. The added benefit is you can add a 25 foot hose to the 10 ft. section and wash down the deck. Always keep the hose nozzle open when turning on the pump as the motor has no back pressure overload and will kick off the breaker in the engine room. Also as your boat is a 1998, I believe you may find that you have an extra thru hull fitting under the floor board outside of the forward head. This is for the wash down pump. I belive Amel changed that to the sea chest in later models. That is why you should always state your sm model number when asking a question as Amel cotinually evolves. If your pump is not working, make sure that the valve is opened.
John "Moon Dog" SM #248

From: "drdavegoodman" <drdavegoodman@gmail.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:35:00 -0000

Questions:
1: Is there a raw water filter/strainer for the washdown pump?
I have traced a hose coming off the seawater intake for the forward
head to a pump that I assume is the anchor washdown pump. Has anyone
installed a filter/strainer on this pump?
2. Is there a circuit breaker for the pump?
3. I've traced the outfow hose of the pump forward of the bowthruster
area, where the outflow hose enters part of the bulkhead just forward
of the blowthruster. I am unable to find a deck/hose fitting for a
washdown hose. Its location is probably obvious, but...
Thanks
Dave
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Re: marina suggestions in New Zealand?

drew_gaffney <drew.gaffney@...>
 

We're in Nelson, on Tasman Bay. It's an excellent marina, a 5 min
walk to town, good, reasonably priced services.
Drew
Revelation ASM #390

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "markmpitt" <mark_pitt@...>
wrote:

My wife and I are currently in Moorea and plan to bring "Sabbatical
III", our Super Maramu, to New Zealand in November. We will
return to
the States so that I can go back to work for 6 months. We will
then
return to New Zealand in May 2008 to take Sabbatical III cruising
again. Can anyone suggest a good place to leave her in New Zealand
where there may be some past experience servicing Amels?

Mark Pitt
"Sabbatical III" ASM #419


marina suggestions in New Zealand?

Mark Pitt
 

My wife and I are currently in Moorea and plan to bring "Sabbatical
III", our Super Maramu, to New Zealand in November. We will return to
the States so that I can go back to work for 6 months. We will then
return to New Zealand in May 2008 to take Sabbatical III cruising
again. Can anyone suggest a good place to leave her in New Zealand
where there may be some past experience servicing Amels?

Mark Pitt
"Sabbatical III" ASM #419


Re: Bow thruster for Maramu

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "David Wallace"
<svairops@...> wrote:

We are considering having a bow thruster installed in our Maramu.
If any
Amel owners have had this done or know of one being done, I would
appreciate
any information regarding manufacturer, type (tunnel vs
retracting), and
position of installation.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

_________________________________________________________________
http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
Hi Dave
We have recently purchased a Maramu and are currently doing some
alterations to our bowthruster would be happy to compare notes. Drop
me a line Johnfesel@aol.com some of the difficu;lties we have
encountered might be helpful to know

John and Deb
Orion1 #78


Re: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel in the bay area

Anne & John Hollamby <annejohn@...>
 

Your message comes through as gibberish probably Mexican keyboards are different !!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: aersolkid
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: {Disarmed} [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel in the bay area


Hello. &#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;I live in Mexico and will be visiting San Francisco this weekend. I&#13;&#10;wonder in anyone knows of a SM for sale in the area and/or charter.&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;Thanks,&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;Raul.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 54 new pneumatic gangway and Davits

Sailing Vessel Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

Enrico,



I have the new pneumatic gangway on my AMEL 54 - At first I was blown away
by the cost of the option; however it has turned out to be one of the best
option investments I made. It works and I love the remote control. It does
have a couple of operating quirks, but once you understand them it is no big
deal. It is a terrific option.



I do not have the Davits.



Gary L. Wollenberg

Sailing Vessel "Bozo Cinq"

bozocinq@wollenberg.net





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Enrico
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 54 new pneumatic gangway and Davits



I am deciding on options for the new 54 and I am seeking advice:

Do anyone have experience on the new pneumatic gangway used on the new
AMEL 54?

Any experience on the Simsons Davits?

Thank you


AMEL 54 new pneumatic gangway and Davits

Enrico <ebraglia@...>
 

I am deciding on options for the new 54 and I am seeking advice:

Do anyone have experience on the new pneumatic gangway used on the new
AMEL 54?

Any experience on the Simsons Davits?

Thank you


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bilge water

Eric Freedman
 

Dave,

The Amel modification has nothing to do with a bow thruster leak. It is only
a device to prevent the loss of the bow thruster assembly,

If you have Oily water in the bilge, the front seal of the bow thruster is
leaking. That is the seal directly behind the propeller. This is not your
problem.



Clear water means that water is leaking around the bow thruster tube.

There are 2 sets of seals on the bow thruster. The first set is a metric lip
seal on top of which is a compressible foam seal; this is on the top of the
inside of the hull where the bow thruster assembly sits in the down
position. The lip seal keeps most of the water out and the compressed foam
seal finishes the job. The Lip seal is a standard metric lip seal. The foam
seal is available from Amel only. It is easy to change without removing the
thruster from boat.



There are two more foam seals one on top of the other where the bow
thruster tube meets the bow thruster assembly. They are simply attached with
silicone seal. However, the bow thruster has to be removed to replace these
as they are outside the hull. If you see the water coming in with the bow
thruster up and the boat is moving then the outside seals need replacement.
If the thruster leaks with the boat moving and the thruster down then the
inside, seals need replacing. I believe there is a diagram of this in the
owner’s book. When you order the seals order a few complete sets as the
postage costs more than the seals. if you gat a leak with the thruster up
and the boat moving , a temporary fix is to tighten the motor adjusting nut
so the motor is a little higher and compresses the outer seals a bit more. I
rebuild the bow thruster every year and change all of the seals and the oil
when I paint the bottom. I do not have any water in my bilge. As a ps ii
would also buy the Amel bow thruster tool. you can change the prop and all
the seals and oil without hauling the boat.

I hope this helps,

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of drdavegoodman
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bilge water



Eric;
The water was not oily. The boat is a 1998 SM. Location is St.
Thomas, USVI. Since I have placed the securing pin in the
bowthruster, I've had no further water. However, I've not been out
sailing since I discovered the water. Next time I go sailing, I will
be using the bow thruster to exit and enter my dock area. After using
it, I will again secure it with the pin, and will be checking for
water in the forward bilge.
The previous owner performed the Amel recommended modification to
prevent the bowthruster from coming out of the boat, but to my
knowlege has never changed the bowthruster seals. The main engine has
about 900 hours, to give you an idea of how much its been used.
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dave,

Is the water oily that is in the bilge?

What is the year of your boat?

Is it a super Maramu?

The owners' manual will not help you to change the bow thruster seals.

Maybe I can help you.

where are you located?

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of drdavegoodman
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bildge water



Hello all;
In the process of preparing to install an electric toilet in the
forward head, I checked the forward bildge next to the head where the
seawater intake thru hull is located. I found a small amount of water
(1-2 inches) in the bildge. I did some investigating on the owners
site and found the info below, Kimberit and others indicate the
likely source is the bowthruster needing seal replacement, and further
indicates this can be done in while in the water using "bowthruster
removal tools." The info I have on board about the bowthruster is
very sketchy. I have contacted Amel for a boat manual several days
ago but so far they have been unresponsive. Any further advice would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@> wrote:

The editor dropped the decimal point . my thruster takes 3/10 of a
liter
of oil.
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Gary,
Where are you located?

We rebuilt the bow thruster as we were getting water and oil
coming into
the bilge due to the thruster leaking at the rear seal.
The rebuild is very straight forward if the boat is out of the
water. If
you boat is in the water you can remove it by using the bow thruster
removal tools.
The removal of the thruster is covered in the manual.
Once you have the thruster out turn it upside down to drain the oil.
Having done this remove the prop. Behind this you will find a lip seal
similar to the one on the prop shaft except smaller. Just pry it out
grease a new one and install it. It can be pushed in very easily. It
appeared Amel uses some blue silicone to hold it in on the outside
surface.
On the thruster's vertical shaft, you will find two foam seals
that are
just removed by hand. Glue two new ones in place. Where the thruster
goes through the hull there is another lip seal held in by two screws.
Just remove this and install a new one. On top of this seal was
another
spongy disk seal, which we also glued down. Then just fill the
thruster
with point 3 (3 liters) of 90 weight oil.
I believe thrusters vary from boat to boat as Bel Ami, which was
next to
me, took ¾ liter of oil, and has a different mounting arrangement. My
owner's manual has a good drawing of the cross section of the bow
thruster.

Will you be in the virgins mid February?

Fair winds,
Eric
S/m 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroup
<mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Hi Eric:
I saw your boat at Marina Cay in Road Town a couple of weeks ago.
Looked bristol. Could you please describe in detail the bow
thruster seal service process? What do you need to check on the
rudder screws? Do you just need to check that they are tight?
Thanks, Gary Silver Liahona Hull # 335 Sea Cow Bay, Tortola

-- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@o...> wrote:
Stephan,
We just had our bottom done. It was sanded and we had 2 coats of
pettit
ultima ablative paint applied. We used 5 gallons.
I also replaced the two lip seals for the bow thruster- one on the
thruster shaft and one in the thruster through hull opening and 3
spongy
inserts. You should also replace the wearing out bearing and the 3
seals
on the prop shaft and the sail drive oil. The zincs on the rudder
and
the zinc and bearings on the weed cutter if you have one. Also,
check
the screws in the rudder hinge.
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 kimberlite





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Amel in the bay area

aersolkid <aersolkid@...>
 

Hello. &#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;I live in Mexico and will be visiting San Francisco this weekend. I&#13;&#10;wonder in anyone knows of a SM for sale in the area and/or charter.&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;Thanks,&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;Raul.


Re: anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260

Judy Rouse
 

Dave,

If you are referring to the Amel installed Anchor washdown pump, it
receives it's salt water from the manifold that is connected to the
sea chest. The sea chest has a strainer inside. The 24 volt breaker
for the pump is on a gray electrical breaker-box mounted on the
firewall in the engine room . The actual breaker is labeled "eau
mer." This same breaker-box has breakers for the Dessalator 24 volt
circuit, toilets, Bilge Pump and portside winch.

The outflow hose should be connected to a stainless tube that exits
through the deck and runs along the top of the anchor fairlead and
curves around the forestay. Amel fits a rubber "L" to the end of the
stainless tube which directs the water on to the chain/anchor.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Bill Rouse sailing with Capt Judy
s/v BeBe
moored Bonaire


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "drdavegoodman"
<drdavegoodman@...> wrote:

Questions:
1: Is there a raw water filter/strainer for the washdown pump?
I have traced a hose coming off the seawater intake for the forward
head to a pump that I assume is the anchor washdown pump. Has anyone
installed a filter/strainer on this pump?
2. Is there a circuit breaker for the pump?
3. I've traced the outfow hose of the pump forward of the bowthruster
area, where the outflow hose enters part of the bulkhead just forward
of the blowthruster. I am unable to find a deck/hose fitting for a
washdown hose. Its location is probably obvious, but...
Thanks
Dave


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260

Peps47 <dji314@...>
 

Just run the pump and watch the water flowing. No hose, no fitting. It works.

=====================
From: drdavegoodman <drdavegoodman@gmail.com>
Date: 2007/07/17 Tue AM 08:35:00 CDT
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260


Questions:
1: Is there a raw water filter/strainer for the washdown pump?
I have traced a hose coming off the seawater intake for the forward
head to a pump that I assume is the anchor washdown pump. Has anyone
installed a filter/strainer on this pump?
2. Is there a circuit breaker for the pump?
3. I've traced the outfow hose of the pump forward of the bowthruster
area, where the outflow hose enters part of the bulkhead just forward
of the blowthruster. I am unable to find a deck/hose fitting for a
washdown hose. Its location is probably obvious, but...
Thanks
Dave


anchor washdown on 1998 SM #260

drdavegoodman
 

Questions:
1: Is there a raw water filter/strainer for the washdown pump?
I have traced a hose coming off the seawater intake for the forward
head to a pump that I assume is the anchor washdown pump. Has anyone
installed a filter/strainer on this pump?
2. Is there a circuit breaker for the pump?
3. I've traced the outfow hose of the pump forward of the bowthruster
area, where the outflow hose enters part of the bulkhead just forward
of the blowthruster. I am unable to find a deck/hose fitting for a
washdown hose. Its location is probably obvious, but...
Thanks
Dave


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Desalinator Shutdown

afpellegrini@...
 

I think that then problem is solved. I had an electrician on-board and he checked the power from the genset which is OK. The circuit breaker for the desal is 20 amp on my boat and it was over heating and shutting off. The power draw while it was running was just over 16, We switched the wiring to the Compressor circuit which is 16 amps and the desal runs fine.

I will order a new 20 amp circuit from Amel and install it .

I want to thank everyone for their assistance
Regards, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 7:30 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Desalinator Shutdown







12 July 2007

Tony:

I suffered similar problems with my Dessalitor 220VAC 50 Hz water maker
aboard our SM # 335. As you probably know these circuit breakers (CB)
are thermally activated and since I was operating in the tropics with high
ambient temperatures I attributed some of the problem to that. Also, if
I recall correctly the original CB was 15 amps and this system under full
operating conditions draws 13.5 amps or about 2560 watts (as measured
with a digital clamp power/amp meter under operating conditions). I
replaced my breaker with a 20 amp breaker (or maybe the original was
a 20 amp and I went up to a 25 amp, can't remember for sure) but I
have not had troubles since. The higher the ambient temperature the
greater the chance of a "weak" breaker tripping off line.

There is also a dedicated CB for the high pressure pump motor in the
box on the back side of the control panel (see Photos section as noted
below) that is specifically for that pump, but it doesn't sound like this is
your problem.

Just to make sure you don't have a true circuit problem with an
over current situation I would encourage you to use a clamp amp meter
(one that you clamp around the load wire to measure the actual load),
prior to going to a next higher rated CB. Also verify that the voltage at
the high pressure pump motor is 220 VAC.

High resistence connections or corroded CB contacts can cause similar
symptoms. High resistence causes increased thermal loading and then
trips the CB. The CBs are available from Amel for a reasonable price.
See the photos section (Dessalinator Service Info) for pic # 18 for a
shot of my digital meter showing the Dessalinator running at load.
One final caution, this is 220 volt circuity and IT CAN KILL YOU, please
make sure that shore power is disconnected and the genset is off prior
to working on any of it.

Hope this helps.

Gary Silver Liahona SM 2000 # 335

--- In
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "pellegrini1942" <afpellegrini@...> wrote:

I am having a problem with my desalinator shutting down, that is
tripping the circuit breaker on the 220v panel in the galley after
about 12 minutes of operation. I have tried it with nothing else
operating but it does not seem to have any effect.
I do not have a water leak and I think the problem is electrical. I see
on the "posts" that the circuit breaker may need to be reset. Can
anyone confirm this?
Please advise.
Regards,
Tony Pellegrini
SM2000 Voyageur #373




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bildge water

drdavegoodman
 

Hi Roger;
I do not have any water coming down the mast/mast compression post.
There has been some major rain here in USVI, and no water has gotten
into the forward bilge since I've inserted the bowthruster secure pin.
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Roger Banks <roger.banks@...>
wrote:

Hi Dave

I think I've reported before that I get water in the same place
forward, but it's from rainwater coming down the mast. I've tried all
sorts to stop it, so far without luck. You should find a trail of
water either from the bowthruster or down the mast compression post
(even perhaps behind the trim, which is nasty for rot).

Regards, Roger, Zorba, Mango 28


On 30/06/2007, at 4:05 PM, drdavegoodman wrote:

Hello all;
In the process of preparing to install an electric toilet in the
forward head, I checked the forward bildge next to the head where the
seawater intake thru hull is located. I found a small amount of water
(1-2 inches) in the bildge. I did some investigating on the owners
site and found the info below, Kimberit and others indicate the
likely source is the bowthruster needing seal replacement, and further
indicates this can be done in while in the water using "bowthruster
removal tools." The info I have on board about the bowthruster is
very sketchy. I have contacted Amel for a boat manual several days
ago but so far they have been unresponsive. Any further advice would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@> wrote:

The editor dropped the decimal point . my thruster takes 3/10 of
a liter
of oil.
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Gary,
Where are you located?

We rebuilt the bow thruster as we were getting water and oil
coming into
the bilge due to the thruster leaking at the rear seal.
The rebuild is very straight forward if the boat is out of the
water. If
you boat is in the water you can remove it by using the bow thruster
removal tools.
The removal of the thruster is covered in the manual.
Once you have the thruster out turn it upside down to drain the oil.
Having done this remove the prop. Behind this you will find a lip
seal
similar to the one on the prop shaft except smaller. Just pry it out
grease a new one and install it. It can be pushed in very easily. It
appeared Amel uses some blue silicone to hold it in on the outside
surface.
On the thruster's vertical shaft, you will find two foam seals
that are
just removed by hand. Glue two new ones in place. Where the thruster
goes through the hull there is another lip seal held in by two
screws.
Just remove this and install a new one. On top of this seal was
another
spongy disk seal, which we also glued down. Then just fill the
thruster
with point 3 (3 liters) of 90 weight oil.
I believe thrusters vary from boat to boat as Bel Ami, which was
next to
me, took ¾ liter of oil, and has a different mounting
arrangement. My
owner's manual has a good drawing of the cross section of the bow
thruster.

Will you be in the virgins mid February?

Fair winds,
Eric
S/m 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Hi Eric:
I saw your boat at Marina Cay in Road Town a couple of weeks ago.
Looked bristol. Could you please describe in detail the bow
thruster seal service process? What do you need to check on the
rudder screws? Do you just need to check that they are tight?
Thanks, Gary Silver Liahona Hull # 335 Sea Cow Bay, Tortola

-- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
Stephan,
We just had our bottom done. It was sanded and we had 2 coats of
pettit
ultima ablative paint applied. We used 5 gallons.
I also replaced the two lip seals for the bow thruster- one on the
thruster shaft and one in the thruster through hull opening and 3
spongy
inserts. You should also replace the wearing out bearing and the 3
seals
on the prop shaft and the sail drive oil. The zincs on the rudder
and
the zinc and bearings on the weed cutter if you have one. Also,
check
the screws in the rudder hinge.
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 kimberlite





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bilge water

drdavegoodman
 

Eric;
The water was not oily. The boat is a 1998 SM. Location is St.
Thomas, USVI. Since I have placed the securing pin in the
bowthruster, I've had no further water. However, I've not been out
sailing since I discovered the water. Next time I go sailing, I will
be using the bow thruster to exit and enter my dock area. After using
it, I will again secure it with the pin, and will be checking for
water in the forward bilge.
The previous owner performed the Amel recommended modification to
prevent the bowthruster from coming out of the boat, but to my
knowlege has never changed the bowthruster seals. The main engine has
about 900 hours, to give you an idea of how much its been used.
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dave,

Is the water oily that is in the bilge?

What is the year of your boat?

Is it a super Maramu?

The owners' manual will not help you to change the bow thruster seals.

Maybe I can help you.

where are you located?

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of drdavegoodman
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forward bildge water



Hello all;
In the process of preparing to install an electric toilet in the
forward head, I checked the forward bildge next to the head where the
seawater intake thru hull is located. I found a small amount of water
(1-2 inches) in the bildge. I did some investigating on the owners
site and found the info below, Kimberit and others indicate the
likely source is the bowthruster needing seal replacement, and further
indicates this can be done in while in the water using "bowthruster
removal tools." The info I have on board about the bowthruster is
very sketchy. I have contacted Amel for a boat manual several days
ago but so far they have been unresponsive. Any further advice would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@> wrote:

The editor dropped the decimal point . my thruster takes 3/10 of a
liter
of oil.
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Gary,
Where are you located?

We rebuilt the bow thruster as we were getting water and oil
coming into
the bilge due to the thruster leaking at the rear seal.
The rebuild is very straight forward if the boat is out of the
water. If
you boat is in the water you can remove it by using the bow thruster
removal tools.
The removal of the thruster is covered in the manual.
Once you have the thruster out turn it upside down to drain the oil.
Having done this remove the prop. Behind this you will find a lip seal
similar to the one on the prop shaft except smaller. Just pry it out
grease a new one and install it. It can be pushed in very easily. It
appeared Amel uses some blue silicone to hold it in on the outside
surface.
On the thruster's vertical shaft, you will find two foam seals
that are
just removed by hand. Glue two new ones in place. Where the thruster
goes through the hull there is another lip seal held in by two screws.
Just remove this and install a new one. On top of this seal was
another
spongy disk seal, which we also glued down. Then just fill the
thruster
with point 3 (3 liters) of 90 weight oil.
I believe thrusters vary from boat to boat as Bel Ami, which was
next to
me, took ¾ liter of oil, and has a different mounting arrangement. My
owner's manual has a good drawing of the cross section of the bow
thruster.

Will you be in the virgins mid February?

Fair winds,
Eric
S/m 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroup
<mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Annual Haul Out

Hi Eric:
I saw your boat at Marina Cay in Road Town a couple of weeks ago.
Looked bristol. Could you please describe in detail the bow
thruster seal service process? What do you need to check on the
rudder screws? Do you just need to check that they are tight?
Thanks, Gary Silver Liahona Hull # 335 Sea Cow Bay, Tortola

-- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@o...> wrote:
Stephan,
We just had our bottom done. It was sanded and we had 2 coats of
pettit
ultima ablative paint applied. We used 5 gallons.
I also replaced the two lip seals for the bow thruster- one on the
thruster shaft and one in the thruster through hull opening and 3
spongy
inserts. You should also replace the wearing out bearing and the 3
seals
on the prop shaft and the sail drive oil. The zincs on the rudder
and
the zinc and bearings on the weed cutter if you have one. Also,
check
the screws in the rudder hinge.
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 kimberlite





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Bow thruster for Maramu

David Wallace
 

We are considering having a bow thruster installed in our Maramu. If any Amel owners have had this done or know of one being done, I would appreciate any information regarding manufacturer, type (tunnel vs retracting), and position of installation.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

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RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Bolting Hull Deck Joint

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Dear John & Annie,

I just completed two years of sailing from continental France to the Caribean, where my Mango was set on the hard until the end of the hurricane season.

In 2005 I sailed in pretty nasty 40 to 45kn weather off Ibiza for many hours.

This year I experienced a very shaking crosssing of the Atlantic in March with crossed swell and waves for almost all of the 19 days. I broke the two short whisker pole or struts ("Tangonets" in French, that had been rebuilt in France in 2005) as well as one spinaker pole as the result of unexpected huge waves. The The boat rolled and pitched for weeks.

When the mango was put ashore a few weeks ago, after taking the masts down, a thorought examination of the hull and deck revealed absolutely no dammage. Aside from the poles the only other dammage resulting from this rough crossing was a weakening baby stay on the main mast. Last week the hull was also examined by an independant surveyor, and the rigging by a professional rigger and declared in good condition.

My conclusion is that the hull to deck joint on a Mango is pretty sturdy and I have never heard that it would benefit from any bolting!

Serge Tremblay, V/ Opera, Mango#51




anniemno1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
We are continuing the endless process of rebuilding Annie M, Mango #1.

We are now working on the hull to deck ("HTD") joint.

According to David Gerr in his book,

"The Elements of Boat Strength"

the HTD joint should be through-bolted with bolts determined

by calcualating ones scantling number. (LOA X Beam X Depth of
Hull)/1000.

Great, the number is about 8 for the Mango and calls for bolts every
11

inches or so.

Our questions are: 1. why are there no bolts in our HTD joint?

2. Do any Amels have HTD bolts? 3. If not, why not? 4. Has anyone
experienced opening of the HTD joint in heavy weather or separation
of tabbing because of flexing? 5. How is the AMEL 54 HTD joint made?

Best Regards,

John and Annie
Annie M
Mango #1






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Re: Bolting Hull Deck Joint

Zanareva
 

John and Annie,

Look in the photo section of this site for the photo folder entitled
Amel-General. In there you'll see a posted photo "Construction
Details". In the photo (scanned from a brochure describing the Sharki-
Maramu-Mango boats) shows a cross-secion of the hull-deck joint-->a
continuously bonded lamination.

How can it be that you believe there's a need for thru bolting the DHJ?

Richard Tate
SM "Spice" and forum co-moderator


Bolting Hull Deck Joint

anniemno1 <no_reply@...>
 

We are continuing the endless process of rebuilding Annie M, Mango #1.

We are now working on the hull to deck ("HTD") joint.

According to David Gerr in his book,

"The Elements of Boat Strength"

the HTD joint should be through-bolted with bolts determined

by calcualating ones scantling number. (LOA X Beam X Depth of
Hull)/1000.

Great, the number is about 8 for the Mango and calls for bolts every
11

inches or so.

Our questions are: 1. why are there no bolts in our HTD joint?

2. Do any Amels have HTD bolts? 3. If not, why not? 4. Has anyone
experienced opening of the HTD joint in heavy weather or separation
of tabbing because of flexing? 5. How is the AMEL 54 HTD joint made?

Best Regards,



John and Annie
Annie M
Mango #1


Lost keel,insurance and extent of damage

Anne & John Hollamby <annejohn@...>
 

Hi Dan,
A few more points. Years ago I was crewing on a Nicholson 55 which was a ketch similar in configuration to our SMs and we were hit midships in a port and starboard situation on the start line at Cowes. The damage was a triangular hole about a foot high starting just above the waterline. This was about half way along the centre cockpit on the port side and in a large sail locker. The boat was motored back to Campers yard where it was built and they cut back the fibreglass until they came to a point at which the material had not delaminated i.e. where the glass fibres were still part of the resin and not free. This enlarged the hole big enough to walk through without bending. They moulded a new section using the original mould and then made that part of the hull without any sign of the damage being visible. The port tack yacht belonged to the Royal Navy and the helmsman was the CinC Home Fleet and so the navy was very helpful in ferrying us (the crew) from Cowes to Gosport to collect the boat for the start of the Fastnet in 1971. The boat was not insured for that race as it takes about seven days for the repair to gain full strength!
I had a port and starboard incident years ago when I was the guilty party crossing in front of another car which hit the rear wing of my car which had a fibre glass body. The damage appeared to be fairly insignificant and so I ignored the advice to have the whole rear quarter of the body replaced. Within a year the rear quarter was a mass of fine cracks as the GRP had delaminated.
I have been thinking about the probable damage to your boat. It was built by moulding two halves of the hull and joining them together. I feel sure that the iron and the GRP keel are joined together before the complete keel unit is joined to the hull. The shock of the collision may well have caused delamination not only of the bottom of the watertank section but also of the hull at both ends of the keel/hull joint and this sort of thing must be thoroughly surveyed by a real expert who will be prepared to stand up to your insurers surveyors.
When I had my problems I blamed the insurers but eventually I became convinced that it was the surveyor acting for insurers and the one acting for me were the problem. The one in Newport was incompetent possibly because he was rushed to deal with about 35 of the boats damaged in Hurricane Bob and my British one was not only incompetent in failing to check the engine but also dishonest in agreeing to act for me when he was not going to see the job through.

Richard, thanks for your remarks which are much appreciated.

Regards from Anne and John at anchor sitting out a gale in a bay in the Aegean. SM319