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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thank you!!!!

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Paul,

 

Congratulations on Rita Kathryn.

 

We look to bumping into you later this year somewhere in the Caribbean Islands.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Still in Tampa Bay

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pstas2003
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thank you!!!!

 

 

Good morning to all.

At the suggestion of one of the members, I joined this group back in June or July and posted that I was in the market for an Amel SM.

Shortly thereafter, I was notified of a number of boats that were for sale.  Within a couple days, I traveled to Trinidad to look at one that I thought held the most potential.

I looked at the boat a number of times over a three day period and made an offer.  We were able to agree on price, and decided to survey and close in November.

The survey was done over a three day period (Dave Huffman of Florida - words can’t describe his level of knowledge of Amel’s and his professionalism - Highly Recommended), and we closed on November 10.  

The former owners were gracious enough to spend almost a month with me sailing and going over maintenance procedures, spare parts inventory, etc.  I can’t thank them enough... Unfortunately, my wife was unable to take part in the whole process, but she was able to join us all over the Thanksgiving Holiday and share in the celebration.  God willing, we should be able to both be aboard full time come June.

Our dreams are coming true and I just would like to thank everyone here for their help, knowledge, and willingness to share and give.  I have been reading the all the postings since joining and am delighted and honored to be a member of this group.

Thank you to all.  Especially to those who have given so much of themselves to help us find and care for our new home.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Rodney Bay Marina - Saint Lucia

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Bill,

Don't send a picture with Speed sleeve, just describe in details Speedi sleeve installation process for our application.

Vladimir
SM #345

Vladimir
202 258 1916

On Dec 4, 2016 10:38, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill R,


I don’t know about the Amel “chrome plated” bushing, but I can suggest that--in general--chrome plating is not a great solution for hardening a shaft under a lip seal.   Yes, it is hard and doesn’t wear.  And it LOOKS shiny and smooth, but over time develops tiny cracks that make its surface rough at a micro-level that causes the rubber lip of the seals to wear faster. So the seals don’t wear the shaft, the shaft wears the seals.  Might be better than plain bronze, but not a perfect choice.

I wonder why this part is made of bronze? It is a marginal material as far as hardness under a lip seal.  Ok, it’s not really marginal, it is quite a bit softer than seal maker specifications. Not about to change it, but I do wonder what the reasoning was?

I don’t think anybody has suggested that sleeves should be added to a new bearing to eliminate water intrusion. You are absolutely right, that would NOT be a good use for them. If seals leak while following the recommended service interval with a new bearing, installation technique is suspect, and sleeves will NOT help.  

Sleeves CAN be used to rehabilitate a worn out wearing out bearing to get longer life from it.  That’s what they are made for, and thats what they are good at.

I do not believe they significantly change the service interval for the lower c-drive shaft seal. Based on Harmonie’s maintenance data even if the sleeves are not worn, the seals themselves need to be replaced at the recommended interval. 

They do go all the way on without cutting or machining. They should NOT be altered in any way.  I can post a picture of a sleeved bearing if people really don’t believe it.  Unfortunately I don’t have one that needs sleeving so can’t post the process, but I don’t remember any magic, just followed instructions.

All that said….this really is a minor deal.  It’s €150 for a new bearing.  It’s $70 for two speedi sleeves.  If anybody has ANY doubt whatsoever, just call Amel and get a new bearing and throw it away with the seals after 800 hours. We all know THAT works!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the Hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL
Splashing Wednesday….  we hope!
“Ships and men rot in port."






On Dec 4, 2016, at 06:36, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Eric,

That is the VERY REASON that I have not tried Speedi Sleeves. I assume the
reason for using the sleeves is to get longer life out of the wear bushing.
Since I service the C Drive and Bow Thruster every two years when hauled
out for antifouling, I cannot justify adding a Speedi Sleeve or two. If you
add Speedi Sleeves because you want to  eliminate water intrusion, I
suggest that you should review the service  procedure. When it's done
correctly, there will not be intrusion.

Now, that said, Amel accidentally shipped what I believe is a test
prototype of a wear bushing with chrome plating where the seals ride on the
bushing. I have not been able to get the story behind this chrome plated
wear bushing from Amel. The person who has this part is going to try it
shortly, but it will probably be a year or two before he has any reportable
results.

Does anyone in the Group have any inside information on this partially
chrome plated wear bushing? Maybe he shouldn't try it?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Dec 3, 2016 6:59 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



*The excess sleeve that hangs over the wearing out bearing can easily be
removed with a dremel tool. Takes a minute.*

*Also I was able to get the two sleeves to butt up against each other ,
Unfortunately I forgot how.*

*Why not just buy a few new ones from Amel they are only 149 euros each?*

*Fair Winds*

*Eric*

*Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376*





*From:* amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@
yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:12 PM
*To:* amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing





Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two
sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer.
That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.&nbsp ; A sleeve without a flange is
14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two
sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear
bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??



On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





Hi Vladimir,

It sounds like the issue is that you are tr ying to push on the edge of
the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on
the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.

You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the
flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are
pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of
the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so
it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not
the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of
the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between
the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub
there.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, Craig, SN#68 S angaris





---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our
case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not
work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by
it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar
situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first
sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99
mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You
need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of
the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing.
That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The
edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's
edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because
sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345





Thank you!!!!

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Good morning to all.

At the suggestion of one of the members, I joined this group back in June or July and posted that I was in the market for an Amel SM.

Shortly thereafter, I was notified of a number of boats that were for sale.  Within a couple days, I traveled to Trinidad to look at one that I thought held the most potential.

I looked at the boat a number of times over a three day period and made an offer.  We were able to agree on price, and decided to survey and close in November.

The survey was done over a three day period (Dave Huffman of Florida - words can’t describe his level of knowledge of Amel’s and his professionalism - Highly Recommended), and we closed on November 10.  

The former owners were gracious enough to spend almost a month with me sailing and going over maintenance procedures, spare parts inventory, etc.  I can’t thank them enough... Unfortunately, my wife was unable to take part in the whole process, but she was able to join us all over the Thanksgiving Holiday and share in the celebration.  God willing, we should be able to both be aboard full time come June.

Our dreams are coming true and I just would like to thank everyone here for their help, knowledge, and willingness to share and give.  I have been reading the all the postings since joining and am delighted and honored to be a member of this group.

Thank you to all.  Especially to those who have given so much of themselves to help us find and care for our new home.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Rodney Bay Marina - Saint Lucia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Bill R,

I don’t know about the Amel “chrome plated” bushing, but I can suggest that--in general--chrome plating is not a great solution for hardening a shaft under a lip seal.   Yes, it is hard and doesn’t wear.  And it LOOKS shiny and smooth, but over time develops tiny cracks that make its surface rough at a micro-level that causes the rubber lip of the seals to wear faster. So the seals don’t wear the shaft, the shaft wears the seals.  Might be better than plain bronze, but not a perfect choice.

I wonder why this part is made of bronze? It is a marginal material as far as hardness under a lip seal.  Ok, it’s not really marginal, it is quite a bit softer than seal maker specifications. Not about to change it, but I do wonder what the reasoning was?

I don’t think anybody has suggested that sleeves should be added to a new bearing to eliminate water intrusion. You are absolutely right, that would NOT be a good use for them. If seals leak while following the recommended service interval with a new bearing, installation technique is suspect, and sleeves will NOT help.  

Sleeves CAN be used to rehabilitate a worn out wearing out bearing to get longer life from it.  That’s what they are made for, and thats what they are good at.

I do not believe they significantly change the service interval for the lower c-drive shaft seal. Based on Harmonie’s maintenance data even if the sleeves are not worn, the seals themselves need to be replaced at the recommended interval. 

They do go all the way on without cutting or machining. They should NOT be altered in any way.  I can post a picture of a sleeved bearing if people really don’t believe it.  Unfortunately I don’t have one that needs sleeving so can’t post the process, but I don’t remember any magic, just followed instructions.

All that said….this really is a minor deal.  It’s €150 for a new bearing.  It’s $70 for two speedi sleeves.  If anybody has ANY doubt whatsoever, just call Amel and get a new bearing and throw it away with the seals after 800 hours. We all know THAT works!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the Hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL
Splashing Wednesday….  we hope!
“Ships and men rot in port."






On Dec 4, 2016, at 06:36, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Eric,

That is the VERY REASON that I have not tried Speedi Sleeves. I assume the
reason for using the sleeves is to get longer life out of the wear bushing.
Since I service the C Drive and Bow Thruster every two years when hauled
out for antifouling, I cannot justify adding a Speedi Sleeve or two. If you
add Speedi Sleeves because you want to  eliminate water intrusion, I
suggest that you should review the service  procedure. When it's done
correctly, there will not be intrusion.

Now, that said, Amel accidentally shipped what I believe is a test
prototype of a wear bushing with chrome plating where the seals ride on the
bushing. I have not been able to get the story behind this chrome plated
wear bushing from Amel. The person who has this part is going to try it
shortly, but it will probably be a year or two before he has any reportable
results.

Does anyone in the Group have any inside information on this partially
chrome plated wear bushing? Maybe he shouldn't try it?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Dec 3, 2016 6:59 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



*The excess sleeve that hangs over the wearing out bearing can easily be
removed with a dremel tool. Takes a minute.*

*Also I was able to get the two sleeves to butt up against each other ,
Unfortunately I forgot how.*

*Why not just buy a few new ones from Amel they are only 149 euros each?*

*Fair Winds*

*Eric*

*Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376*





*From:* amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@
yahoogroups.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:12 PM
*To:* amelyachtowners@...
*Subject:* Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing





Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two
sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer.
That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.&nbsp ; A sleeve without a flange is
14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two
sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear
bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??



On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:





Hi Vladimir,

It sounds like the issue is that you are tr ying to push on the edge of
the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on
the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.

You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the
flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are
pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of
the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so
it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not
the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of
the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between
the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub
there.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, Craig, SN#68 S angaris





---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our
case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not
work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by
it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar
situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first
sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99
mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You
need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of
the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing.
That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The
edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's
edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because
sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Bill,
I think we can safely assume you are changing the wearing-out-bearing every two years because they are, well, "wearing out" and allowing water intrusion, or, if not yet leaking you expect them to and you're doing preventive maintenance. How paradoxical that Amel refers to this as a "wearing-out-bearing" - I'd expect "forever-bearing" would be more Amel-ish!
Anyway, as we all discussed on this thread some years ago, Captain Henri made an unusual choice by not specifying a much harder material for the application, which was the engineering judgement of SKF's seal engineer who reviewed this for me and recommended a much harder material. 
Perhaps the captain assumed owners would replace it regularly as you have, and avoid a problem. I have always gone 3 or 4 seasons and not worried about the "chocolate" oil. The Speedi Sleeves do minimize water intrusion because the bearing is not wearing out, although, of course, the lip seals have a limited life.
Let's hope that the prototype you mention was an attempt to improve on the Captain's original choice and will become available to us.
Cheers, Craig SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Eric,

That is the VERY REASON that I have not tried Speedi Sleeves. I assume the reason for using the sleeves is to get longer life out of the wear bushing. Since I service the C Drive and Bow Thruster every two years when hauled out for antifouling, I cannot justify adding a Speedi Sleeve or two. If you add Speedi Sleeves because you want to  eliminate water intrusion, I suggest that you should review the service  procedure. When it's done correctly, there will not be intrusion.

Now, that said, Amel accidentally shipped what I believe is a test prototype of a wear bushing with chrome plating where the seals ride on the bushing. I have not been able to get the story behind this chrome plated wear bushing from Amel. The person who has this part is going to try it shortly, but it will probably be a year or two before he has any reportable results.

Does anyone in the Group have any inside information on this partially chrome plated wear bushing? Maybe he shouldn't try it?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 3, 2016 6:59 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The excess sleeve that hangs over the wearing out bearing can easily be removed with a dremel tool. Takes a minute.

Also I was able to get the two sleeves to butt up against each other , Unfortunately I forgot how.

Why not just buy a few new ones from Amel they are only 149 euros each?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

 

 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.&nbsp ; A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??

 

On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Vladimir,

It sounds like the issue is that you are tr ying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.

You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, Craig, SN#68 S angaris

 



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, <sonsev52@...> wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Eric,

Cutting and polishing Speedi sleeves is not for a man with average skills. SKF will not recommend doing that. Sleeve's leading edge is critical for proper installation. If it is not cut and polished correctly it can damage the seals.

There are several other issues with our application of Speedi sleeves:

1. During wear bushing installation a seal has to slide through the area between two sleeves. It will have some gap. You have to be very careful during installation. You shuold not rotate bushing during installation and move it on ones. Do not put it on and off several times.

2. You have be totally sure that no sleeve is running next to the flange or between two sleeves.

Based on all above, I would not recommend Speedi sleeves to a man with average technical skills. Do not forget that you will not know that installation was bad untill you see a water in the oil. Whatever you do must be perfect with minimal chances for incorrect installation.

Bill,

Chrome plated and polished wear bushings will work several times longer. That is for sure better solution. But it will be expensive. Chrome plating is environmentally bad process.
I will discuss this with a plating place in Baltimore next week.

Vladimir
SM # 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] solenoid & relay replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Well said Bill!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 12/4/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] solenoid & relay replacement
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2016, 7:41 AM


 









Just a little side remark.
I am not sure about other models, but I have
been very impressed with the robust quality of relays and
solenoids on the Super Maramu. The ones selected by Amel
cost as much as 10 times what you might find at an auto
supply store.
The quality of these Amel selected parts is
VERY important. A defective relay or solenoid can lock a
device ON when you least need it. Ask Gian whose bow
thruster locked ON burned itself  up and almost burned his
54 to the waterline. Save money on wax and polish if you
need to save money, but relays and solenoids...buy the very
best that you can find.
My sermon for this Sunday is now over...please
stand and salute Captain Amel.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

Currently USVI










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] solenoid & relay replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Just a little side remark.

I am not sure about other models, but I have been very impressed with the robust quality of relays and solenoids on the Super Maramu. The ones selected by Amel cost as much as 10 times what you might find at an auto supply store.

The quality of these Amel selected parts is VERY important. A defective relay or solenoid can lock a device ON when you least need it. Ask Gian whose bow thruster locked ON burned itself  up and almost burned his 54 to the waterline. Save money on wax and polish if you need to save money, but relays and solenoids...buy the very best that you can find.

My sermon for this Sunday is now over...please stand and salute Captain Amel.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
Currently USVI


Re: boxtron replacement

luvkante
 

Jeffrey,

I see. I have constant trouble as well. Shuts off and starts beeping. But when I switch it on and off, it starts working again


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: boxtron replacement

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

That is the VERY REASON that I have not tried Speedi Sleeves. I assume the reason for using the sleeves is to get longer life out of the wear bushing. Since I service the C Drive and Bow Thruster every two years when hauled out for antifouling, I cannot justify adding a Speedi Sleeve or two. If you add Speedi Sleeves because you want to  eliminate water intrusion, I suggest that you should review the service  procedure. When it's done correctly, there will not be intrusion.

Now, that said, Amel accidentally shipped what I believe is a test prototype of a wear bushing with chrome plating where the seals ride on the bushing. I have not been able to get the story behind this chrome plated wear bushing from Amel. The person who has this part is going to try it shortly, but it will probably be a year or two before he has any reportable results.

Does anyone in the Group have any inside information on this partially chrome plated wear bushing? Maybe he shouldn't try it?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 3, 2016 6:59 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The excess sleeve that hangs over the wearing out bearing can easily be removed with a dremel tool. Takes a minute.

Also I was able to get the two sleeves to butt up against each other , Unfortunately I forgot how.

Why not just buy a few new ones from Amel they are only 149 euros each?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

 

 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.&nbsp ; A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??

 

On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Vladimir,

It sounds like the issue is that you are tr ying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.

You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, Craig, SN#68 S angaris

 



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <sonsev52@...> wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: boxtron replacement

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Jeff,
I have an answer for you, as I recently did exactly the same procedure. My 54 is #31, so likely very similar to yours. When my original boxtron failed, Paul was also helpful in replacing it with the newer e14s, but the same issue of 2 vs. 3 wires was the problem he could not answer. In the original configuration, when you activated the switch, it supplied 24v to the boxtron, and depending on which way the switch was switched, it would power right or left turns. The new e14S only requires to contact the ground with either of the other leads to activate the turns. It supplies the power internally, you only need to make the contact. I think the terminals were 4, 5, and 6 in the e14S, or maybe it was 5, 6, and 7. Either way you need to contact the middle one with either of the other to make it run in one direction or the other.
I had spare relays for the bow thruster up down circuit. They are little ice cube relays that are available in most any auto parts store for less than $10. A part number is 24V-03526. Google it to find them. I installed 2 of them right in the e14 box using the 24v from the original wires, one to each relay, to activate the relay, which closes the contacts to complete the circuit for the e14s.
Pick up a ground internally in the e14s, connect it to terminal 85 on each relay. Connect one of the original power wires to terminal 86 on each of the relays. In the e14s box, connect terminal 5 to terminal 30 on both relays, and connect terminal 4 to terminal 87 on one relay and terminal 6 to the other relay terminal 87. Easy install without having to change any wires from the helm to the bow.
Cheers,
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31
currently in St. Thomas, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

James Alton
 

Eric,

   I will keep this in mind, thanks.  I have some higher priority projects on the to do list so it might be a while before I get to the slider.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:25 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

Please contact me before you do the job there are a few tricks that you must do to get a perfect job.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Bill,

If we do not have a gap between sleeves 17+14= 31 mm.  Second sleeve still covers the chamfer and overhang by 1mm. I really do not see how it can work.
The only way possible is to remove the flange on the first sleeve and push it to the wear bushing shoulder. But I don't see how it can be done.

VLADIMIR
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Dec 3, 2016 5:57 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Do not let the sleeves overhang the chamfer. The sharp edge will tear the rubber lip of the seal. 

They will go on all the way without a gap between. 

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the hard, Ft Lauderdale, FL

On Dec 3, 2016, at 17:12, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.  A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??


On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


Hi Vladimir,
It sounds like the issue is that you are trying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.
You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@...m, wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Do not let the sleeves overhang the chamfer. The sharp edge will tear the rubber lip of the seal. 

They will go on all the way without a gap between. 

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the hard, Ft Lauderdale, FL

On Dec 3, 2016, at 17:12, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.  A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??


On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Vladimir,
It sounds like the issue is that you are trying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.
You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

eric freedman
 

The excess sleeve that hangs over the wearing out bearing can easily be removed with a dremel tool. Takes a minute.

Also I was able to get the two sleeves to butt up against each other , Unfortunately I forgot how.

Why not just buy a few new ones from Amel they are only 149 euros each?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

 

 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.  A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??

 

On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Vladimir,

It sounds like the issue is that you are trying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.

You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sonsev52@...> wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

eric freedman
 

There is no need to remove the tracks. The job can be done with the slider in place. I have photos if you wish.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:52 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

 

 

I remember to have read here some time ago of a way to remove the slider without removing the dodger. Somehow it seems to be possible to open the tracks and get the slider out. 

 

Cannot remember details, though, but maybe the search function here may help.

 

Michael, SY Sioned, Maramu #148


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

eric freedman
 

James,

Please contact me before you do the job there are a few tricks that you must do to get a perfect job.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 11:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

 

 

Eric,

 

   Many thanks for sending the photos.  Not having to remove the hardtop will save me a lot of time.

 

Best,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Arbatax, Italy

 

On Dec 2, 2016, at 10:07 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

HI Alex and James.

I have just sent you photos of how to replace the veneer on the companionway without removing the dodger.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 8:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing companionway veneer.

 

  

Eric,

 

   That is an interesting and creative solution to replace part of the veneer, thanks for sharing.  While the idea of having the slider on the bench to work on sounds appealing, your method could sure save me a lot of time over removal of the hardtop that could be delegated to other more important projects.  No rush but when you have the time to send me the photos, it would be great to see.

 

Best,

 

James Alton  Lokiyawl2 at aol.com

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Italy

 

On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:50 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

You do not have to remove the sliding companionway or the hard dodger to replace the veneer.

If you send me your email I will send you photos of how I did mine.

Basically you remove the stop at the bottom of the companionway door . Then the door will slide all the way up to the dodger.

You can then use a router to remove the veneer and put new veneer on. Of course what is in the track cannot be changed, but you can’t see it. 

Mine looks beautiful after 5 or 6 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu cockpit canopy

 

  

Eric,

 

   The exterior teak veneer has delaminated and I want to replace or reface the panel.   I would also like to improve the exterior seal during this project.  

 

Best,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Italy

 

On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:46 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

Why are you removing the companionway slider?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:a melyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:31 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu cockpit canopy

 

  

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Craig,

Thanks a lot for providing details. That is very important.

I do not have the sleeves yet. I am just thinking how can I install two sleeves on the bushing. The wear bushing is 28 mm long plus 2 mm chamfer. That is total 30 mm.

A sleeve with a flange is 17 mm long.  A sleeve without a flange is 14 mm. There will be a gap between the sleevs 1 mm or more. Totally two sleeves will cover cove 17+14+1=32 mm.

Therefore the second sleeve will cover the chamfer and overhang the wear bushing by 2 mm.

Is this correct??


On Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Vladimir,
It sounds like the issue is that you are trying to push on the edge of the sleeve, which is incorrect. You must only push on the flange, never on the edge of the sleeve. No special tools needed.
You install the first sleeve with the flange side down, that is, the flange goes on first and you do not remove that flange. Again, you are pushing on the flange, not the edge. You then cut a notch in the flange of the second sleeve and then put it on again flange first, sliding it down so it is very close to the first one. Again, you only push on the flanges, not the edge of the sleeve. Finally, you take a pliers and remove the flange of the second sleeve (not the first sleeve). There will be a small gap between the two sleeves after you remove the flange - not a problem as no seals rub there.
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi Crag,

I have reviewed the instructions. Instructions are not applicable for our case.
Instructions recommend to push Speedi sleeves by the flange. It will not work for us. Because the  first sleeve should contact a bushing shoulder by it's edge after the flange is removed. That is additional 2.99 mm. Similar situation is with a second sleeve. It should contact the end of the first sleeve after the flange is removed. Both sleeves have to be pushed for 2.99 mm by force that is applied on a sleeve edge. The edges are very thin. You need a special tool that slides with minimum clerance on the outer edge of the sleeve with a step to smaller diameter that slids on the wear bushing. That tool has to be made. It will cost probubly $100.00 or $200.00. The edge of the sleeve should not be damaged during installation. If sleev's edge is damaged it can cut a seal during installation.
Perhaps Speedi sleeve option is not practical in our application because sleeve's installation has to deviat from SKF instructions.

Vladimir
SM # 345


Re: Shaft alternator amel maramu

sbmesasailor
 

I'm not surprised that you could not find this exact alternator in the US.  I had the same issue but I was able to have a local alternator shop review the specifications of the alternator I needed and have one made to those specifications.  You might want to research that possibility.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad