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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Jamie,

What's the source for your count/run time alarm?

Bill Kinney



On Dec 11, 2016, at 15:00, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good advice all. I just now set up a bilge pump timer alarm. It alarms when the pump runs for more than 5 minutes total. I also have the option of alarming on counts, but sometimes the pump cycles a lot if you are taking showers or running the washing machine. The timer is what seems to work for me.
I now prescribe to the "Water Pump Off" unless actually needed philosophy.
Thanks for the excellent comments.
Bill, I noticed I am moored right next to BeBe in Francis Bay. Is that you or the new owner?
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:56 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi all,
I'll come in on this too to tell our got off lightly story. Within months of beginning our adventures in 2009 we went ashore. On return we heard the bilge pump running. There was a pin hole (quite a big pin hole) in the water heater and we had left the fresh water pump on. Had we not returned when we did 900 liters of water would have been pumped into the engine room. Had the bilge pump failed for any reason.........
Since then we have a rule that the water pump is off when we are not using water, any where any time. To have a rule that it is off sometimes invites forgetfulness.
We have added a bilge buzzer and are pleased to have it. The cruising world is awash with bilge flooding stories (pun intended) and adding the buzzer was a cheap insurance.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl 



From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

 
Hi James,
 
Sorry to hear of your woes. This summer I installed a bright red LED at the helm. The LED is bright enough to see in daylight. It is parallel wired to the red bilge light on the 24v panel. It was very easy to install and allows the person on watch to notice when the bilge pump kicks on.
 
When underway, we make it a habit to turn off the 24v fresh water pump. If there is a leak anywhere in the fresh water pressurized system it will not pump water into the bilge. We do this because we have heard too many times from sailing friends stories similar to yours. Another option would be to install a green LED at the helm and connect it to the fresh water light on the 24v panel.
 
Another item you may want to add to your spare parts is a couple of squares of rubber gasket material. This can be very handy when in a pinch. Of course, you will need a very sharp blade to make gaskets.
 
Hope this helps
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Yahoo! Inc.
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure
 
 
I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.
No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.
 
We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.
 
A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.
I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.
Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.
After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.
 
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

I too have a high level alarm, but it would only sound off if the bilge pump fails and the bilge fills up. I would view it as a last resort but an important one nonetheless. I have tested it and it works fine.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, December 11, 2016 4:36 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Bill K.
 
We have a high water alarm that triggers a bell if water rises above a normal point in the engine room bilge well. Also wired to the alarm are sensors under the forward companion way floor (outside the forward head) and in the master cabin under the floor (outside the aft head). I believe all of these were installed by the previous (first) owner.
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay
 
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure
 
 
I am curious…  our Amel has a hard-wired “high bilge level” alarm on the main 24V switch panel.  A piercing loud buzzer if the water level in the sump rises beyond normal.  It looks to be factory installed.  Was this not a standard feature?
 
Just as a thought, if you have ANY kind of emergency alarm like this, be sure you put testing it on your regular maintenance schedule. In my previous industrial life, I had seen a number of disasters occur when a “failsafe” switch had failed and no one knew because it wasn’t routinely used and then it wasn’t available when needed!
 
Of course such an alarm will not help you losing your freshwater if the bilge pump puts it all overboard.  I do wish Amel had divided the fresh water tank into two independent tanks...
 
We always carry 10 gallons of “emergency water” in jerry cans just in case of… whatever.  Enough to last us at least a week in extremis and I figure we are very, very, rarely more than a week away from a harbor if we really needed to get to one.
 
Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL.  
Preparing for the Bahamas. Next week?
“Ships and men rot in port."
 
 
 
 
 
On Dec 11, 2016, at 14:09, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
Flooded bilge or engine room is a big problem. Your led will not help if you have a leakage of the tube running from the motor heatexchanger to the hot watermaker -what happened to an other Amel. And saltwater in the engine room is the worest . 
I put in wireless alarm for flooded water. Very easy and not expensive - combined with  a burglar alarm. Ankering in Mesalongi / Greek  we had in the morning 2 people in the cockpit - looking to steal something . Now the cockpit is also protected  by alarming sensors - ALL connected to a wireless Alarm system by Olympia for 150€. Aded more devices for  the ruderbilge etc -each for 15-20€ .
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 
 
 
 
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill K.

 

We have a high water alarm that triggers a bell if water rises above a normal point in the engine room bilge well. Also wired to the alarm are sensors under the forward companion way floor (outside the forward head) and in the master cabin under the floor (outside the aft head). I believe all of these were installed by the previous (first) owner.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

 

 

I am curious…  our Amel has a hard-wired “high bilge level” alarm on the main 24V switch panel.  A piercing loud buzzer if the water level in the sump rises beyond normal.  It looks to be factory installed.  Was this not a standard feature?

 

Just as a thought, if you have ANY kind of emergency alarm like this, be sure you put testing it on your regular maintenance schedule. In my previous industrial life, I had seen a number of disasters occur when a “failsafe” switch had failed and no one knew because it wasn’t routinely used and then it wasn’t available when needed!

 

Of course such an alarm will not help you losing your freshwater if the bilge pump puts it all overboard.  I do wish Amel had divided the fresh water tank into two independent tanks...

 

We always carry 10 gallons of “emergency water” in jerry cans just in case of… whatever.  Enough to last us at least a week in extremis and I figure we are very, very, rarely more than a week away from a harbor if we really needed to get to one.

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL.  

Preparing for the Bahamas. Next week?

“Ships and men rot in port."

 

 

 

 

 

On Dec 11, 2016, at 14:09, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Flooded bilge or engine room is a big problem. Your led will not help if you have a leakage of the tube running from the motor heatexchanger to the hot watermaker -what happened to an other Amel. And saltwater in the engine room is the worest . 

I put in wireless alarm for flooded water. Very easy and not expensive - combined with  a burglar alarm. Ankering in Mesalongi / Greek  we had in the morning 2 people in the cockpit - looking to steal something . Now the cockpit is also protected  by alarming sensors - ALL connected to a wireless Alarm system by Olympia for 150€. Aded more devices for  the ruderbilge etc -each for 15-20€ .

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I am curious…  our Amel has a hard-wired “high bilge level” alarm on the main 24V switch panel.  A piercing loud buzzer if the water level in the sump rises beyond normal.  It looks to be factory installed.  Was this not a standard feature?

Just as a thought, if you have ANY kind of emergency alarm like this, be sure you put testing it on your regular maintenance schedule. In my previous industrial life, I had seen a number of disasters occur when a “failsafe” switch had failed and no one knew because it wasn’t routinely used and then it wasn’t available when needed!

Of course such an alarm will not help you losing your freshwater if the bilge pump puts it all overboard.  I do wish Amel had divided the fresh water tank into two independent tanks...

We always carry 10 gallons of “emergency water” in jerry cans just in case of… whatever.  Enough to last us at least a week in extremis and I figure we are very, very, rarely more than a week away from a harbor if we really needed to get to one.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL.  
Preparing for the Bahamas. Next week?
“Ships and men rot in port."






On Dec 11, 2016, at 14:09, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Flooded bilge or engine room is a big problem. Your led will not help if you have a leakage of the tube running from the motor heatexchanger to the hot watermaker -what happened to an other Amel. And saltwater in the engine room is the worest . 
I put in wireless alarm for flooded water. Very easy and not expensive - combined with  a burglar alarm. Ankering in Mesalongi / Greek  we had in the morning 2 people in the cockpit - looking to steal something . Now the cockpit is also protected  by alarming sensors - ALL connected to a wireless Alarm system by Olympia for 150€. Aded more devices for  the ruderbilge etc -each for 15-20€ .
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Good advice all. I just now set up a bilge pump timer alarm. It alarms when the pump runs for more than 5 minutes total. I also have the option of alarming on counts, but sometimes the pump cycles a lot if you are taking showers or running the washing machine. The timer is what seems to work for me.
I now prescribe to the "Water Pump Off" unless actually needed philosophy.
Thanks for the excellent comments.
Bill, I noticed I am moored right next to BeBe in Francis Bay. Is that you or the new owner?
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:56 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi all,
I'll come in on this too to tell our got off lightly story. Within months of beginning our adventures in 2009 we went ashore. On return we heard the bilge pump running. There was a pin hole (quite a big pin hole) in the water heater and we had left the fresh water pump on. Had we not returned when we did 900 liters of water would have been pumped into the engine room. Had the bilge pump failed for any reason.........
Since then we have a rule that the water pump is off when we are not using water, any where any time. To have a rule that it is off sometimes invites forgetfulness.
We have added a bilge buzzer and are pleased to have it. The cruising world is awash with bilge flooding stories (pun intended) and adding the buzzer was a cheap insurance.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl 



From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

 
Hi James,
 
Sorry to hear of your woes. This summer I installed a bright red LED at the helm. The LED is bright enough to see in daylight. It is parallel wired to the red bilge light on the 24v panel. It was very easy to install and allows the person on watch to notice when the bilge pump kicks on.
 
When underway, we make it a habit to turn off the 24v fresh water pump. If there is a leak anywhere in the fresh water pressurized system it will not pump water into the bilge. We do this because we have heard too many times from sailing friends stories similar to yours. Another option would be to install a green LED at the helm and connect it to the fresh water light on the 24v panel.
 
Another item you may want to add to your spare parts is a couple of squares of rubber gasket material. This can be very handy when in a pinch. Of course, you will need a very sharp blade to make gaskets.
 
Hope this helps
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Yahoo! Inc.
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure
 
 
I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.
No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.
 
We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.
 
A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.
I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.
Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.
After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.
 
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Flooded bilge or engine room is a big problem. Your led will not help if you have a leakage of the tube running from the motor heatexchanger to the hot watermaker -what happened to an other Amel. And saltwater in the engine room is the worest . 
I put in wireless alarm for flooded water. Very easy and not expensive - combined with  a burglar alarm. Ankering in Mesalongi / Greek  we had in the morning 2 people in the cockpit - looking to steal something . Now the cockpit is also protected  by alarming sensors - ALL connected to a wireless Alarm system by Olympia for 150€. Aded more devices for  the ruderbilge etc -each for 15-20€ .
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all,
I'll come in on this too to tell our got off lightly story. Within months of beginning our adventures in 2009 we went ashore. On return we heard the bilge pump running. There was a pin hole (quite a big pin hole) in the water heater and we had left the fresh water pump on. Had we not returned when we did 900 liters of water would have been pumped into the engine room. Had the bilge pump failed for any reason.........
Since then we have a rule that the water pump is off when we are not using water, any where any time. To have a rule that it is off sometimes invites forgetfulness.
We have added a bilge buzzer and are pleased to have it. The cruising world is awash with bilge flooding stories (pun intended) and adding the buzzer was a cheap insurance.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl 



From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016 5:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

 
Hi James,
 
Sorry to hear of your woes. This summer I installed a bright red LED at the helm. The LED is bright enough to see in daylight. It is parallel wired to the red bilge light on the 24v panel. It was very easy to install and allows the person on watch to notice when the bilge pump kicks on.
 
When underway, we make it a habit to turn off the 24v fresh water pump. If there is a leak anywhere in the fresh water pressurized system it will not pump water into the bilge. We do this because we have heard too many times from sailing friends stories similar to yours. Another option would be to install a green LED at the helm and connect it to the fresh water light on the 24v panel.
 
Another item you may want to add to your spare parts is a couple of squares of rubber gasket material. This can be very handy when in a pinch. Of course, you will need a very sharp blade to make gaskets.
 
Hope this helps
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Yahoo! Inc.
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure
 
 
I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.
No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.
 
We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.
 
A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.
I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.
Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.
After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.
 
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Mark Erdos
 

Hi James,

 

Sorry to hear of your woes. This summer I installed a bright red LED at the helm. The LED is bright enough to see in daylight. It is parallel wired to the red bilge light on the 24v panel. It was very easy to install and allows the person on watch to notice when the bilge pump kicks on.

https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Power-Indicator-Pilot-Signal/dp/B00DUW2SBO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481472610&sr=8-1&keywords=24v+led+red+light

 

When underway, we make it a habit to turn off the 24v fresh water pump. If there is a leak anywhere in the fresh water pressurized system it will not pump water into the bilge. We do this because we have heard too many times from sailing friends stories similar to yours. Another option would be to install a green LED at the helm and connect it to the fresh water light on the 24v panel.

 

Another item you may want to add to your spare parts is a couple of squares of rubber gasket material. This can be very handy when in a pinch. Of course, you will need a very sharp blade to make gaskets.

 

Hope this helps

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:32 AM
To: Yahoo! Inc.
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

 

 

I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.

No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.

 

We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.

 

A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.

I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.

Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.

After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.

 

Thanks,

Jamie

 

s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I installed bilge pump buzzer to avoid this or similar problems . I connected it parallel to the bilge pump light on 24v panel.  The buzzer sits behind the panel. It buzz when the bilge pump is running. I can hear it in the cockpit, but it is not very loud. Buzzer is small and cost less than $2.00.
I know that boats loose fresh water often due to similar leaks.
In addition, it is better to keep fresh water pump off when you don't use water.
The buzzer also will let you know if your boat is taking water.

I highly recommend to install bilge pump buzzer on your boat. It is good safety feature.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
202 258 1916


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hot Water Heater Failure

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I think that you will find that the life of an Isotemp heating element and gasket to be closer to 6 years than 10. The first thing that fails is that the element will get very small pin holes that open when the element is hot. This causes a ground fault and if connected to shore power with a working  ground fault system, will open the GFI and you will lose power.

Isotemp does not normally include a gasket, but if replacing the element, you will surely need one.

One of my never-completed projects was to install two LED lights on the plexiglass helm control panel...these lights would duplicate the water pump light and the gray water light. It would be easy to do...I just never did it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 11, 2016 9:31 AM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.
No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.

We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.

A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.
I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.
Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.
After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.

Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Hot Water Heater Failure

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

I do not know if others have had water heater problems, but I thought I should post something about my hot water heater issues that might help others avoid the problem I had. On our crossing to the Caribbean, we lost all of our fresh water - into the bilge and over the side. The bilge pump sure did its job.
No one noticed that the bilge pump was running way too much, and when we tried to use the galley faucet there was no water. At first I assumed the pump had failed, but when I went down into the engine room I saw water pouring out of the front of the hot water heater. The main water tank was empty by then.

We had to scramble to bypass the water heater (Isotemp 40L) and found that the main gasket that holds the heating element assembly in the tank had ruptured. Upon taking it apart it was found completely carbonized and literally fell apart. Bypassing the water system to allow us to continue using fresh water was no small task either, but we managed to cobble together a short hose to seal off the intake and outtake at the heater. The problem there is that BOTH sides of the water passthrough are pressurized - very surprising and we could not figure out how that could be true (the Amel drawings show exactly what is expected, so presumably someone modified the installation). Normally only the cold water side would be pressurized upstream of the water heater.

A quick call to Great Water in Florida worked and they rushed out spare parts. We had to replace the main gasket, faceplate, and the 230V electric element as well. They had all corroded.
I have heard others talk of a zinc, but I do not see any and the manual is different from the one in the boat.
Fortunately we were able to keep our crossing schedule and did not have to return to port, thanks to the water maker.
After this failure, I keep spare water heater parts around. It seems that 10 years is about it for the gaskets and elements. It is worth replacing them early on. This is not a problem I would have planned for, as water heaters seem pretty benign, but have learned how important it is.

Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: Bow thruster fuse

sailor63109@...
 

As the old saying goes "it's better to be luck than good".  I replaced the fuse and all is well.  I'm thinking the chain must have caught the fairing of the thruster and stopped it from raising, thus the blown fuse.

Henri Amel built a hellish strong bow thruster!

Duane


Re: Bow thruster fuse

sailor63109@...
 

Alexandre, thanks for the photo, I thought it might be in there.  Bill & Bill, thanks for thinking it through with me.

The whole sordid story borders on the stupid, but we were anchoring at night in 25 knots in a crowded anchorage, with the wind opposite the current.  We decided to set the anchor into the wind and I asked Peg to use the bowthruster to keep the bow from slewing around.  Here's the stupid part:  I didn't retract the bowthruster right away.  We backed down on the anchor and immediately the current took us opposite to our set and the chain went under the boat. 

We tried to raise the thruster when it appeared the chain was clear, and it would not raise (jack screw).  I went below and there was nothing but a bit of "electric smell", something got hot, but it could have been the heavy use of the motor at the bascule bridge (the bridge tender insisted that we stay within 200 feet of the bridge or he wouldn't open it!  He made us wait one 30 minute opening because in his opinion we were too far away.)

Out of concern for further damage during the night I disconnected one jack screw cable so I could lever the bow thruster to the up position.  There isn't any visible damage to the tube.

I checked the breaker on the 24 volt panel but it was on, not tripped.  The breakers in the fwd cabin port locker don't list the thruster, only "Boom; Mast; Windlass; Jib & Windlass", but I flipped them anyway and no joy.

 I'll be diving at slack tide late this morning to check out the damage...if there is any (fingers crossed!).  In the meantime I wanted to check out the fuse.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Duane
Wanderer SM477


Re: Bow thruster fuse

sailor63109@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster fuse

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Duane,

Wen you say “unresponsive” does that include the jack screw?  i.e., Does it go up and down? 

And just an addition to make this thread generic...
        Older model SM bow thrusters have no fuse, and no pin switch.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."






On Dec 10, 2016, at 05:36, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Duane,

That fuse goes inside the control box which is inside the compartment for the bow thruster. At least I think the control box is inside. You have a late model bow thruster...I am not sure if Amel located it outside the compartment on yours.

Also, don't forget the breaker on the 24VDC panel that controls the low amp side of the winches, outhaul, and furlers, also controls the bow thruster control. And, of course the safety pin and corresponding ON/OFF toggle switch near the pin (I think you have the pin and toggle switch)

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 10, 2016 5:48 AM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There is an automotive style fuse taped to the bow thruster.  Where does it go?  The bow thruster is unresponsive and I'm hoping that's the problem.


Duane

Wanderer, SM477





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster fuse

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Duane,
If you scroll down the pictures, you will see the red color fuse inside the black control box.
But as Bill said, yours being newer could be different…
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_sensor.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Sat, 12/10/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster fuse
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, December 10, 2016, 4:36 AM


 









Duane,
That fuse goes inside the control box which is
inside the compartment for the bow thruster. At least I
think the control box is inside. You have a late model bow
thruster...I am not sure if Amel located it outside the
compartment on yours.
Also, don't forget the breaker on the 24VDC
panel that controls the low amp side of the winches,
outhaul, and furlers, also controls the bow thruster
control. And, of course the safety pin and corresponding
ON/OFF toggle switch near the pin (I think you have the pin
and toggle switch)
Best,
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Dec 10, 2016 5:48 AM,
"sailor63109@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









There is an automotive style fuse
taped to the bow thruster.  Where does it go?  The bow
thruster is unresponsive and I'm hoping that's the
problem.

DuaneWanderer, SM477






























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster fuse

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

That fuse goes inside the control box which is inside the compartment for the bow thruster. At least I think the control box is inside. You have a late model bow thruster...I am not sure if Amel located it outside the compartment on yours.

Also, don't forget the breaker on the 24VDC panel that controls the low amp side of the winches, outhaul, and furlers, also controls the bow thruster control. And, of course the safety pin and corresponding ON/OFF toggle switch near the pin (I think you have the pin and toggle switch)

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 10, 2016 5:48 AM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There is an automotive style fuse taped to the bow thruster.  Where does it go?  The bow thruster is unresponsive and I'm hoping that's the problem.


Duane

Wanderer, SM477


Bow thruster fuse

sailor63109@...
 

There is an automotive style fuse taped to the bow thruster.  Where does it go?  The bow thruster is unresponsive and I'm hoping that's the problem.


Duane

Wanderer, SM477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Gasket replacement

seagasm@...
 

The way I understand it, you have two options from Amel or the manufacturer who were very slow in their response to me. One, you can purchase a new motor which I understand includes the gear or two, purchase a complete new pump entirely.

Our boat is in Bundy.

I have a friend who also berths his boat at Newport and had intended to meet up for a sail, I will drop by if that happens.

Kind regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM# 171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Gasket replacement

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Thanks Bill, Danny and Barry

I have sent pictures off to Maud and she is sourcing the part for me. Will also upload a picture of this broken part to the site in case others find the same issue as it seems to be a common problem. Not yet sure of the price but have Maud sending us two of these so we also have a spare on board whilst cruising.

Barry thanks you for your kind offer to assist. We have a busy week-end with family plus week ahead with kids graduation etc but would love to meet you if you are around Brisbane for another week or so. We are up north in Newport Marina but I will call you to see your movements.

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332
Brisbane

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Barry Ferguson seagasm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin, I am in Manly Brisbane if you need assistance, 0477652046

Barry & Robyn,
Tradewinds III SM 171



On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:59 PM +1000, "SV Island Pearl II colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

I will get in touch with both Riza and Maud to see who can get me one quicker. May also try the local Mercedes parts guys here in Brisbane too, just in case.

Here in Brisbane it's full speed ahead with many boat tasks and the other projects completed today was a new water pump on the Onan, a new Quick 40L hot water system installed and a new rear bumper all of which I'm pleased to report were dead easy installs..... till the bilge pump issue! Our hot water system just needed a new element however after all the discussions here on the forum about these lasting 5 - 8 years max, and ours being a 2008 unit, we decided to bite the bullet at 8yrs age and start our cruise with a new one instead.

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:04 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Colin,

I had a hard time finding that part. The gear section of the pump is identical to a Mercedes Benz wiper mechanism, but I do not know what year and model. I had someone in Turkey replace the white Delrin gear and he told me that he found it in a Mercedes parts distributor.

I heard that Maud now has this part. Check with her at SAV"at"Amel.fr. I also heard that Riza at Emek Marin in Turkey has the part. Check with him at cagdas"at"emekmarin.com

Good luck.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Dec 9, 2016 6:51 AM, "'Colin.d.streeter' colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

We are just in the process of pulling our bilge pump apart right now too as the new gaskets have arrived from Amel.

Certainly from what we are looking at here Mark is correct that there are sufficient small bolts around the unit to hold the gaskets firmly in place. The important issue appears to be ensuring that the gaskets and holding plates all go back on the right way around.

Interestingly in our case the gaskets are in excellent condition but what we have now unfortunately found is a chunk of the little white cog broken with approx 5 teeth missing.  Due to this the motor turns but cannot make contact with and turn the white cog around to push the suction unit.

Has anyone else managed to fix this approx 1.25 cm gap or managed to get a replacement white cog from Amel or direct from the Italian pump supplier? We are without our computer here right now but do remember a comment some time back regarding fixing this with a drill bit which turned out well however our missing chunk is probably too large for that solution.

Any suggestions?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #323
Brisbane 


On 9 Dec 2016, at 10:37 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Jim,

 

I think there are plenty of screws to form a good seal without introducing a foreign element. I replaced mine a couple of years ago and did not use any sealants. I made sure the surfaces were clean before re-assembling the pump. I have not had any problems.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

Wi th best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay, USA

 

From: amelyachtowners@...m [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 6:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Gasket replacement

 

 

Hope some can give me a little advice on replacing the gaskets on my original Amel installed bilge pump. I have a Super Maramu Hull #207.  I have replaced the gaskets once before but have developed a leak around the gaskets and am wondering if when I replace them this time is it advisable to also add silicone or some other sealer between the gaskets and the pump.  I have ordered the replacement gaskets form Amel and am aware that they have to be installed with one side towards the water as labeled on the Gaskets.

Thank you,

Jim DeSalvo, SM#207

 




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0411 016 445




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