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Re: Leros marina, Greece

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Ian;

 

After doing some research and asking some friends that know the area, we will most likely be leaving Kokomo in Leros on the Hard for the next 4-5 months. We have had good reports so far. We can give you more input of what we experience afterwards.

 

Mohammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo

 

 


Re: Leros marina, Greece

Peter
 

Hello Ian & Judy,

we spent 3 winters in Agios Nikolaos in Crete now. Some friends are in Leros. Leros has two locations. One is the marina near main town which is located a little off the city. So you have a walk of 2 km to downtown. The marina is save but it is too cold in winter to stay on boat (which is why we are in crete).

The northern marina is "hard" only. You can lift your boat out of water and walk away. This is where my friends stay now. Cheap and you can service your boat. Not very much technicians over there. You have to take those who are in the marina.

During winter Leros is very calm (which is why were on crete).

Best,
Peter
SY mausi


Leros marina, Greece

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi All,


We are thinking of leaving Pen Azen ashore in Leros for the winter of 2017-18.  Has anyone experience of that marina?


 Have a great sail in 2017,


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres



Re: Main Outhaul Line Material and size

Paul Osterberg
 

After having the same problem with both 10 and 12 m Dynema line of high quality, we bought a 12 m Vectran line from Liros Germany with a cover which is supposed to have high friction, It improved the situation substantially, Vectran has less "creep" than Dynema/Spectra.
Only just recently it sliped, but I think by tigten it a little it will not hapend again.
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 currently in Tobago cays


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Outhaul Line Material and size [1 Attachment]

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks bill for the explanation and the photo. Definitely helpful.

It is nice to know how AMEL originally did it. Simple and effective.

Respectfully;

Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

On Dec 28, 2016, at 6:04 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mohammad,

I rigged the outhaul line just as Amel had done it. I cut it to size with a hot line cutter. I used the outhaul winch to tighten the line.

The stern end is secured first with a single whipped hitch. Then the line tightened using the electric outhaul... note that you need to secure the car to tighten the line with the electric outhaul...you want the line to tighten and it will only tighten if the car doesn't move. Once it is very tight, a single whipped hitch secures this end also, but with added small line to further tighten the outhaul line to the outhaul car shackle. Both outhaul line ends were whipped to the main line. I may be able to send you a photo later, but internet here is terrible.

I had a much harder time with the Kevlar line because Kevlar will not cut with heat.

I am trying to attaché a photo of the Kevlar so that you can see the attachment of the lines. Note, that I should have had more distance between the car and the hitched loop on the fore side of the car. The way I did it in the photo, I did not leave much space to further tighten with the small line.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 28, 2016 10:03 AM, "'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill and Kent.

The 10mm dynema that was used by the French rigger stripped its cover the last time it slipped going from Samos to kos a few days ago, downwind force 7. So the current line is no longer viable.

I also thought 12 mm was the solution but did not want to guess a second time. Dynema however seems to need special tools to loop the ends.

Bill how did you make up the ends for the attachment to the outhaul car?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:56 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@ya hoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have always had a problem with the main outhaul slipping on  the friction clutch in strong winds. I'm pretty sure the line we had on was not original Amel install. We had it changed when we purchased her a couple of years ago as recommended by the sail maker in Turkey. The new line also slipped and we continued to tighten the line with some better results but still would slip under high loads.


We had another french rigger in Turkey who recommended replacement with Spectra, but having the same issue.


I would like to know the correct diameter, length and ,material that Amel installs so we can fix the issue.


Thank you

Mhammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Outhaul Line Material and size

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mohammad,

I rigged the outhaul line just as Amel had done it. I cut it to size with a hot line cutter. I used the outhaul winch to tighten the line.

The stern end is secured first with a single whipped hitch. Then the line tightened using the electric outhaul... note that you need to secure the car to tighten the line with the electric outhaul...you want the line to tighten and it will only tighten if the car doesn't move. Once it is very tight, a single whipped hitch secures this end also, but with added small line to further tighten the outhaul line to the outhaul car shackle. Both outhaul line ends were whipped to the main line. I may be able to send you a photo later, but internet here is terrible.

I had a much harder time with the Kevlar line because Kevlar will not cut with heat.

I am trying to attaché a photo of the Kevlar so that you can see the attachment of the lines. Note, that I should have had more distance between the car and the hitched loop on the fore side of the car. The way I did it in the photo, I did not leave much space to further tighten with the small line.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 28, 2016 10:03 AM, "'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill and Kent.

The 10mm dynema that was used by the French rigger stripped its cover the last time it slipped going from Samos to kos a few days ago, downwind force 7. So the current line is no longer viable.

I also thought 12 mm was the solution but did not want to guess a second time. Dynema however seems to need special tools to loop the ends.

Bill how did you make up the ends for the attachment to the outhaul car?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:56 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@ya hoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have always had a problem with the main outhaul slipping on  the friction clutch in strong winds. I'm pretty sure the line we had on was not original Amel install. We had it changed when we purchased her a couple of years ago as recommended by the sail maker in Turkey. The new line also slipped and we continued to tighten the line with some better results but still would slip under high loads.


We had another french rigger in Turkey who recommended replacement with Spectra, but having the same issue.


I would like to know the correct diameter, length and ,material that Amel installs so we can fix the issue.


Thank you

Mhammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Outhaul Line Material and size

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks bill and Kent.

The 10mm dynema that was used by the French rigger stripped its cover the last time it slipped going from Samos to kos a few days ago, downwind force 7. So the current line is no longer viable.

I also thought 12 mm was the solution but did not want to guess a second time. Dynema however seems to need special tools to loop the ends.

Bill how did you make up the ends for the attachment to the outhaul car?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:56 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have always had a problem with the main outhaul slipping on  the friction clutch in strong winds. I'm pretty sure the line we had on was not original Amel install. We had it changed when we purchased her a couple of years ago as recommended by the sail maker in Turkey. The new line also slipped and we continued to tighten the line with some better results but still would slip under high loads.


We had another french rigger in Turkey who recommended replacement with Spectra, but having the same issue.


I would like to know the correct diameter, length and ,material that Amel installs so we can fix the issue.


Thank you

Mhammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Outhaul Line Material and size

karkauai
 

Hi Mohammed.
I had the same problem several years ago.  On advice from someone on this forum I sprayed the line with a contact cement.  It worked great, and by the time the cement was gone, the line had weathered enough that it wasn't a problem.  I've tightened the line one time since then.
Cheap, easy, effective fix!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

.


Re: DESSALATOR DUO 60 ORIGINAL, REPAIR OR REPLACE

jgermain@...
 

Hi Vlad,

I replaced the old 25 l/hr unit with a Duo 100;  makes more sense than a 60 l/hr in my opinion.  Both work very well and provide fabulous quality water.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Guadeloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

John,

Congratulations!

It is too bad that your search in the US did not turn up what you wanted in the US. On the other hand, finding such a deal in Le Marin is a blessing. I heard her previous French owners were selling because they were nearing 80.

You will find some great repair and refit assets at Le Marin. Not only Amel's Caribbean facility, but a great rigger (preferred contractor of Amel), and all of the parts used by Amel are readily available from shops that buy from French manufacturers. You may have already met Franc who is a preferred contractor of Amel. He knows Amel electrical systems better than anyone I have met. If you have not met him, ask Jean at Amel. It might be a great idea to hire Franc to do a complete electrical inspection.

BTW, Amel ships a box to Le Marin once a week. This makes anything Amel France has readily available in Le Marin. Parts are priced 30% more than La Rochelle to cover the freight from La Rochelle. It is a good place to stock up on spares.

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 28, 2016 3:04 AM, "biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings fellow Amel owners,

  I am today pleased to be able to introduce myself as the new owner of “Vent de Soleil,”  SM 37 and would like to thank all of you for allowing me to troll your forum for the last year or so, especially Bill Rouse, who has given me a lot of Amel advice behind the scenes. 

 

The boat passed her survey and I signed papers a week before Christmas in Martinique .  I wanted to wait until the payment settled with the previous owners before posting any announcement.   

    The boat was in fabulous condition and after a drive around the island with my surveyor, I decided to forgo any further negotiations and purchase at our pre-survey agreed upon price.

    Bill made introductions for several of you in Martinique who I had hoped to meet before Christmas however, I had a short travel window to complete the survey, which took three full days, and then I “unexpectedly” pulled the trigger, so I spent my last night in Martinique signing papers, drinking champagne, and telling sea stories with the previous owners.

 

I plan to return to Martinique in a few weeks on a much more relaxed schedule and look forward to meeting you all.

 

                             Regards, John



John Clark

Vent de Soleil, SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Outhaul Line Material and size

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mohammad,

It is a slightly confusing story. Amel originally used 10mm Kevlar line. It is impossible to find today.

If you ask SAV in La Rochelle, they will tell you to use 12mm Dynema line.

A French friend that knows the Amel people at Hyeres found some of the original Kevlar 10mm which we obtained from him in January this year.

I believe that, in general, the issue is that all of the line producers are putting less fiber in the line. When I looked at all high quality 10mm line I found that I could pinch it with my fingers down to 7-8mm. The Anderson line tender on the outhaul uses teeth to grip the line. If the line pinches in the teeth to 7-8mm, it will slip. AND, the 12mm will pinch to 9-10mm, which works well in the Anderson line tender.

So, bottom line, use a high quality 12mm Spectra or Dynema line and you will be fine...Oh yes, you still have to get it tight!

I hope this helps you and others.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Dec 28, 2016 7:25 AM, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We have always had a problem with the main outhaul slipping on  the friction clutch in strong winds. I'm pretty sure the line we had on was not original Amel install. We had it changed when we purchased her a couple of years ago as recommended by the sail maker in Turkey. The new line also slipped and we continued to tighten the line with some better results but still would slip under high loads.


We had another french rigger in Turkey who recommended replacement with Spectra, but having the same issue.


I would like to know the correct diameter, length and ,material that Amel installs so we can fix the issue.


Thank you

Mhammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning John,

Congratulations and welcome to the family!

Looking forward to meet you and visit Vent de Soleil!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Wed, 12/28/16, biohead@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2016, 1:04 AM


 









Greetings
fellow
Amel owners,  I am
today pleased
to be able to introduce myself as the new owner of “Vent
de Soleil,”  SM 37 and would like to thank all of you for
allowing me to troll your forum for the last year or so,
especially Bill Rouse,
who has given me a lot of Amel advice behind the scenes. 
 The boat passed her survey
and I signed papers a week before
Christmas in Martinique . 
I wanted to wait until the payment settled with the previous
owners
before posting any announcement.        The boat was in
fabulous condition and after a drive around the island with
my surveyor, I
decided to forgo any further negotiations and purchase at
our pre-survey agreed
upon price.    Bill
made introductions for several of you in Martinique who I
had hoped to meet
before Christmas however, I had a short travel window to
complete the survey,
which took three full days, and then I “unexpectedly”
pulled the trigger, so I
spent my last night in Martinique signing papers, drinking
champagne, and
telling sea stories with the previous owners.  I plan to return to
Martinique in a
few weeks on a much more relaxed schedule and look forward
to meeting you all.
 

















               
             Regards, John

John ClarkVent de Soleil, SM 037Le Marin,
Martinique


Main Outhaul Line Material and size

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We have always had a problem with the main outhaul slipping on  the friction clutch in strong winds. I'm pretty sure the line we had on was not original Amel install. We had it changed when we purchased her a couple of years ago as recommended by the sail maker in Turkey. The new line also slipped and we continued to tighten the line with some better results but still would slip under high loads.


We had another french rigger in Turkey who recommended replacement with Spectra, but having the same issue.


I would like to know the correct diameter, length and ,material that Amel installs so we can fix the issue.


Thank you

Mhammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sharing Trojan’s reply on battery charger set up.

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Interesting reply. We have the same batteries. Thanks for sharing Alexandre

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Amel Owners,

Just sharing the reply I received from Trojan regarding the charging of my new batteries.

I received 8 (+ 1) Deep cycle, flooded, Trojan 27 TMH batteries 115 Ah

The Data Sheet calls for 29.64 Bulk Charge and 27.00 Volt Float.

On my MDP batteries charger (who purchased Dolphin), I have the following setting:
0: Open Lead: Boost: 28.8 volt - Float: 26.4 Volt
1: Airtight Lean: Boost: 28.4 Volt - Float: 26.4 Volt
2: Lead Calcium: Boost: 29.6 Volt - Float: 27.6 Volt
3: Delphi: Boost 30.8 Volt - Float: 27.6 Volt
then other setting not relevant like Optima, wintering, GEL, AGM and LifeSo4.

Being cautious I contacted Trojan for the best setting and here is the answer I received from Stacey:

“In this case, it looks like the Lead Calcium setting are the closest to ours.  In general it is better to overcharge a  battery bank than undercharge it.”

So to conclude, even thought I might have open lead batteries, it is better to use the Lead Calcium setting and bringing higher voltage is better than lower.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!

Stephen Davis
 

Congratulations John. Sorry we did not meet up while you were here, but I was still in the USA for your short trip to Martinique. Currently, your new pride and joy is berthed across the dock from us, and if you need me to do anything, please let me know. We will be leaving Le Marin on 3 January, but may be back for a few days a bit later in the month.

Looking forward to meeting you sometime in the near future.

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM 72
Martinique

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 3:04 AM, biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings fellow Amel owners,

  I am today pleased to be able to introduce myself as the new owner of “Vent de Soleil,”  SM 37 and would like to thank all of you for allowing me to troll your forum for the last year or so, especially Bill Rouse, who has given me a lot of Amel advice behind the scenes. 

 

The boat passed her survey and I signed papers a week before Christmas in Martinique .  I wanted to wait until the payment settled with the previous owners before posting any announcement.   

    The boat was in fabulous condition and after a drive around the island with my surveyor, I decided to forgo any further negotiations and purchase at our pre-survey agreed upon price.

    Bill made introductions for several of you in Martinique who I had hoped to meet before Christmas however, I had a short travel window to complete the survey, which took three full days, and then I “unexpectedly” pulled the trigger, so I spent my last night in Martinique signing papers, drinking champagne, and telling sea stories with the previous owners.

 

I plan to return to Martinique in a few weeks on a much more relaxed schedule and look forward to meeting you all.

 

                             Regards, John



John Clark

Vent de Soleil, SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Welcome John;

 

It took us 4 years to select the “right boat” for us. You will find over time that there are design considerations in Amels that you will only come to know and appreciate after years of use. We have been sailing our 54 for the past 2 years and are thoroughly enjoying her comfort and sea worthiness.

 

One word of advice from every one to us that we have taken to heart and has served us well, is do not change anything on the boat before spending at least a year or two sailing her. You will find over time that most design considerations have solid reasoning behind them and have been proven over 50 years and over 1000 yachts that have travelled all over the globe.

 

Congratulations on your purchase and wishing you and your crew many years of happy and safe sailing adventures.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner!

luvkante
 

Welcome, John. Congratulations! You for sure will have lot of fun.

Will arrive in St Lucia beginning of February.

Martin
AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 28.12.2016 um 08:04 schrieb biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Greetings fellow Amel owners,

  I am today pleased to be able to introduce myself as the new owner of “Vent de Soleil,”  SM 37 and would like to thank all of you for allowing me to troll your forum for the last year or so, especially Bill Rouse, who has given me a lot of Amel advice behind the scenes. 

 

The boat passed her survey and I signed papers a week before Christmas in Martinique .  I wanted to wait until the payment settled with the previous owners before posting any announcement.   

    The boat was in fabulous condition and after a drive around the island with my surveyor, I decided to forgo any further negotiations and purchase at our pre-survey agreed upon price.

    Bill made introductions for several of you in Martinique who I had hoped to meet before Christmas however, I had a short travel window to complete the survey, which took three full days, and then I “unexpectedly” pulled the trigger, so I spent my last night in Martinique signing papers, drinking champagne, and telling sea stories with the previous owners.

 

I plan to return to Martinique in a few weeks on a much more relaxed schedule and look forward to meeting you all.

 

                             Regards, John



John Clark

Vent de Soleil, SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique



New Owner!

John Clark
 

Greetings fellow Amel owners,

  I am today pleased to be able to introduce myself as the new owner of “Vent de Soleil,”  SM 37 and would like to thank all of you for allowing me to troll your forum for the last year or so, especially Bill Rouse, who has given me a lot of Amel advice behind the scenes. 

 

The boat passed her survey and I signed papers a week before Christmas in Martinique .  I wanted to wait until the payment settled with the previous owners before posting any announcement.   

    The boat was in fabulous condition and after a drive around the island with my surveyor, I decided to forgo any further negotiations and purchase at our pre-survey agreed upon price.

    Bill made introductions for several of you in Martinique who I had hoped to meet before Christmas however, I had a short travel window to complete the survey, which took three full days, and then I “unexpectedly” pulled the trigger, so I spent my last night in Martinique signing papers, drinking champagne, and telling sea stories with the previous owners.

 

I plan to return to Martinique in a few weeks on a much more relaxed schedule and look forward to meeting you all.

 

                             Regards, John



John Clark

Vent de Soleil, SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique



[Amel Yacht Owners] Sharing Trojan’s reply on battery charger set up.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear Amel Owners,

Just sharing the reply I received from Trojan regarding the charging of my new batteries.

I received 8 (+ 1) Deep cycle, flooded, Trojan 27 TMH batteries 115 Ah

The Data Sheet calls for 29.64 Bulk Charge and 27.00 Volt Float.

On my MDP batteries charger (who purchased Dolphin), I have the following setting:
0: Open Lead: Boost: 28.8 volt - Float: 26.4 Volt
1: Airtight Lean: Boost: 28.4 Volt - Float: 26.4 Volt
2: Lead Calcium: Boost: 29.6 Volt - Float: 27.6 Volt
3: Delphi: Boost 30.8 Volt - Float: 27.6 Volt
then other setting not relevant like Optima, wintering, GEL, AGM and LifeSo4.

Being cautious I contacted Trojan for the best setting and here is the answer I received from Stacey:

“In this case, it looks like the Lead Calcium setting are the closest to ours.  In general it is better to overcharge a  battery bank than undercharge it.”

So to conclude, even thought I might have open lead batteries, it is better to use the Lead Calcium setting and bringing higher voltage is better than lower.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan - normal oil pressure

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Merry Christmas Jean-Pierre,

I don’t have an oil pressure gage on mine, but thinking on adding one since I have a tendency to micro-control…

1500 RPM is normal for 50 Herzt (would be 1600 rpm for the 60 herz).

Merry Christmas and sending my best wishes of good health, happiness, success and love for 2017.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Sun, 12/25/16, jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan - normal oil pressure
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 25, 2016, 12:33 PM


 









Merry Xmas to
all,
Quick question: MDKAL (695
hours) operates at 1500 rpm for 50 HZ.  My oil pressure
reads 25-30 psi at this rpm.
What is the rpm of your
units and what oil Pressure do you
get?
Jean-Pierre
GermainEleuthera,
SM007Guadeloupe