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Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Many thanks ,Pat!!

Kind regards

George

S/n 434


Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Dear Alexandre,

I am amazed how much good information I have received from you, Ben and others in my first post. Between you you have filled a lot of questions in my mind as a relativeley new Amel owner.

Many thanks

George

S/n 434


Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Ben,
Cannot thank you enough for your advice and key information on the chain counter, will investigate fully.

Might be seduced by the Auto Anchor systems that allow for a pre-measured chain drop and auto raise,
the former being very useful for med morring with a crew of two!

Kind regards

George
S/n 434


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

amelforme
 

Misters Alby and Lawson give very good and correct advice on stripping the bottom of old paint buildup. While sand blasting is a fast and relatively cheap way to remove old paint, it more often than not has disastrous side effects.

 

Here is why. Sand is not only very hard, but the grains are not uniform in size. This is a bad combination. High pressure air accelerates the pieces of sand from the nozzle that the operator holds in his hands. The trouble is, the different sized grains also have different mass/weight and get accelerated to vastly different speeds because of this. The higher speed sand projectiles easily penetrate deeper into the laminate than you might ever imagine, especially in areas where the gel coat gets thin or removed by the process. Even the best anti-osmosis coatings that you might apply are not totally waterproof/vapor proof. This fact, in conjunction with the hundreds of thousands of tiny holes created by the larger sand particles, provides an easy pathway for moisture to migrate into the very resin rich layer of mat fiberglass that Amel and other better quality boat builders use as a “veil” to limit the amount of ‘print through’ that the structural woven layers of fiberglass would transfer to the gel coated exterior surfaces if this “veil” were not present. And remember, all Amel boats built from the advent of the Super Maramu onward have the proprietary Amel anti osmotic coatings applied AFTER the gel coat is shot into the mold. It is on the inside of the gel coat.

 

Water vapor combining with left over elements caused by cartelization of liquid resin into solid resin is the primary cause of osmotic blisters. There are other things that can cause blisters, but for this discussion about sand blasting, enough is enough. Some boat manufacturers that offer blister warranties on new product specifically prohibit employing sand blasting and sand sweeping (adds some water to the mix!! ) and doing so voids the warranty. Trust me. I could go on for pages about all of this but since I don’t want to put anyone to sleep I’ll stop now.

 

I have fully participated in the surveys of hundreds  of Super Maramus, some four and five times now, that I have been fortunate to have sold. In almost every case of boats having thousands and thousands of little blisters, it was caused by sandblasting the old bottom paint off. It used to shock owners when the boat came out of the water and billions of blisters were there where none were before and I would ask them, “ When did you sandblast the bottom?”

 

So please, Amel friends, don’t sand blast your boat’s bottom. Whatever method you employ, if you see fiberglass laminate of any description, properly reapply ( That means read the instructions. Twice ) a well-known and proven anti –osmotic coating. Keep moisture out of your laminate. If anyone wants more information or wants to discuss the blisters you may have on your boat, don’t hesitate to contact me by phone or email.

 

And always, above all, have fun with your Amel!

 

Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
 ESent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

 we did clean the hull of our 1982 Maramu april 2016 using cryogenic blasting; quite common now in the industry in Europe.

- boat had been in water since april 2014, unused since april 2015, growing weeds by the bushel & great farm for oysters & mussels -

 

Cryogenic blasting uses CO2 gas to produce carbonic dry ice pellets blasted on the hull at low air pressure; no dirt or pollution and less agressive on gel coat resins.

cleaned all layers of antifouling paint which had been splattered on during ? ages (no record of maintenance when we boughht the boat 2016) ?

went down to gel coat layers & left them clean to survey the hull and dry out before laying on new protection (époxy coating) underwater.

reasonable price (Euros 2K Euros for a speedy process - took 4 hours (setting up, work & dismantling apparatus) to team of 2 to clean the bottom hull of the Maramu.

 

If available in your corner of the Oceans, I would recommend that you check industrial cleaning companies for the service - search companies or small operators working for metal, housing (front coatings), wood, stone cleaning using low pressure compressors.

 

Worth the cost when you gain another 10 to 15 years of trouble free hull & the extra speed from a clean & smooth hull.

 

fair winds & clean hulls

 

christian alby, Maramu Désirade VIII, Canet/roussillon

 

 

 


De : "Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 16 janvier 2017 16h34
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers


On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

 

Best of luck,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Sardinia,  Italy

 

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view

 

 

 


Re: leakage current to the bonding system

ofer magen
 

Thanks Joel,

Do you know where are the "junctions",in the boat,where "minus" wires  from the batteries are split to groups of equipments to make the hunting more systematic? 

I found the voltage between the bonding system and the minus to be 0.45V?
I had to leave the main switches ON, so how bad is it?

Thanks, 
Ofer 
SV Alba 
Amel 54 #160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

James Alton
 

Jacob,

   I bought Maramu #220 this year.  My wife and I love the boat.  I found that the handling was quite good along with the performance.  I was really expecting to give up a lot to have the protected cockpit but that does not seem to be the case.  Some of the US boats have 110V wiring added and if the boat you are looking at was modified for this, check to be sure that the watertight bulkheads were properly resealed.  This was one of the reasons we choose to buy overseas..to avoid a lot of previous modifications.  My boat has a different rig than the 83 you are looking at so I cannot comment much there.   A few of the Maramu’s have separation of the mizzen mast box from the forward face of the cabin.  This appears to be due to excessive mizzen rigging tension combined with the cutout in this compression member at the base for the engine hatch.   My boat does not have the problem.  Have you contacted Joel Potter?  I suspect that there is a good chance that he knows Pura Vida.  If you have any specific Maramu questions that I can help you with, let me know.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:39 PM, jacob jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi all.

We're looking very seriously at a 1983 Maramu (Pura Vida, #124), in Stuart/Indiantown FL, USA.  Would anybody have any information they'd be willing to share on this vessel specifically or on similarly aged sisterships?  Anything good or bad?  

Thanks in advance,
Jacob 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronics questions for 2003 sm#380

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Hanspeter
No, we have the rotary drive on one autopilot and the hydraulic quadrant ram arm on the 2nd autopilot.
Colin 
Island Pearl II


On 16 Jan 2017 8:02 PM, "'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you very much for your fast reply, Colin
For my understanding; you use only the rotary el. motor inside the hatch above the gally for both AP's course computer and control units in the cockpit ; means you have not installed a linear drive engin close beside the rudder Quadrant under the aft cabin berth ?
 
Regards Hanspeter
----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Datum : 16/01/2017 - 01:31 (UTC)
An : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Betreff : Re: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronics questions for 2003 sm#380


 

Hi Hanspeter

I see I missed your other question about how we installed the 2nd autopilot. It is the same as many others on this forum, ie 2nd new course computer is inside hatch above galley sink as is the quick change over switch between autopilot A & B. 2nd autopilot head just fitted next to original ST7001 in cockpit. Will send pic when we get back if you still need one.

Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II
Amel 53 #332, Brisbane

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:50 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Dear Colin
I'm interessted how you installed the second Raymarine Autopilot to the helm. As I understood, you installed not a linear drive AP direct to the rudder Quadrant.Correct ?
Can you send me some pics per email ? Also if you can send me infos/pics about the installation of your fwd/rear facing camera.
my email: Hanspeter.baettig at bluemail dot ch
 
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM Tamango 2
----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@...m
Datum : 15/01/2017 - 01:26 (UTC)
An : amelyachtowners@...m
Betreff : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronics questions for 2003 sm#380

 

On Island Pearl II we like the old B&G instruments but we have linked these to two new Raymarine E70 chart plotters (Nav station & rear cabin) plus a new ES97 at the helm. We went with a Raymarine 650 AIS, a Raymarine Network system to network all displays off any one of the plotters chart cards and added a 2nd full new Raymarine Autopilot at the helm with quick change over switch between autopilot 1 and 2.

These are all great but you could do the same with any brand, we just happen to prefer Raymarine now as it is robust (like B&G used to be before being bought out).

By far the best new equipment we added was the latest Raymarine Quantum radar. This little unit is absolutely incredible in picking up even isolated unlit thin mooring poles when night sailing and best of all uses almost nil power!! We now have it on all the time whilst sailing, and for the first time ever we now have peace of mind sailing on pitch black nights with no moonlight! It was not all that expensive either, and we kept the old Amel supplied radar as well as backup and for seeing further but haven't even switched the old one on once since getting the Quantum. Just moved it's screen back in the nav station area so we can fit a monitor in front of it on a swing arm to access the old radar when/if required. Also on the 2nd radar mount (1 meter below the original) we have a fwd and rear facing camera linked to the TV's so can see what's coming and going whilst sailing solo and down making a cup of tea etc..

Lastly, if it is not yet done, have the old B&G instruments linked to your auto-pilots and network. This way everything talks to each other via NMEA. We also have 4 extra Raymarine i 70 displays on the boat so we can see wind, radar, AIS, Speed, Depth on these too, plus to get the benefit of using the new autopilot on "wind pilot" mode which we sometimes find handy. Possibly all the I70's was overkill though and not necessary as we generally only have 2 of these on most of the time. 

But of everything I would say absolutely the Quantum Radar was the very best buy.

Colin & Lauren Streeter, 
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332
Brisbane

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Steve,

First, congratulations for becoming the owner of #380, you definitely acquire a beautiful sailing vessel and welcome to the Amel Family.

I can’t reply your question, but want to pick your mind on it…

Just like you, when I purchased my SM2K not so long ago in 2012, I was very excited, had lots of ideas… changing, upgrading, etc…
many people (Bill, Kent, etc.) gave the same advice: don’t change anything for at least one year.

If I may ask, what is wrong with your current Furuno radar? Just Old? Not the latest?
The technician that installed my ICOM AIS Transmitter in 2013, give me his opinion on the rest of my electronics, since he was highly recommended and I would have done (right or wrong) anything he said. He actually said my Furuno Radar (regardless of its age) is a great one, still used by many fishermen, so don’t replace it. And I follow his advice.

Regarding the Navigation equipments, my plan was to do like Francisco and Oddette on Peregrinus SM2K #250 having a B&G Zeus 12 with slave monitor, etc.).
Therefore, to be honest, the 20% spending budget on the purchasing price for the 1st year, was already spent, so I decided to keep using multiple (for back up reason) iPad with Navionics charts on and Bad Elf to send GPS location through Blue Tooth.
I am sure it is very deferent to what most people use, but has been working very well for me for the last 4 years in the Bahamas and the Caribbean.
I can walk anywhere I want with my iPad (with water proof protection), etc.
If not use as a primary, I would definitely recommend use it as back up, countless stories of sailing I met (non-Amel owners) who had their primary Chart plotter failing and end up using the iPad + GPS sending.

As one of my instructors said, don’t spend too much money upgrading what is already working (and has been working sufficiently for over a decade), think more about spending money on “expected/scheduled” maintenance (like Bow Thruster, C-Drive, engine, genset, etc.).

Just sharing, and congratulations again on purchasing SM#280!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 1/14/17, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronics questions for 2003 sm#380
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Date: Saturday, January 14, 2017, 3:36 PM




 









Hi all, I am headed down to Fort
Lauderdale next week to continue getting to know my newly
acquired SM and am planning on meeting with Jeff Grossman of
Associated Electronics to evaluate the current Furuno vx2
set up and discuss possible upgrades.  I have recently seen
a few comments on the forum warning against letting regular
'electronics types' poke around and work in the
electrically bonded world of Amel electronics.  Are there
specific things I need to be aware of before going ahead
with an upgrade?  Are there 24v/bonded protocols or
specialists in the south Florida
area?
I must say, the sense I get
from reading the various threads on the forum make me feel
as if I need to educate myself to a level higher than most
of those I ask to service my vessel so that I can personally
oversee all work done to her, and this seems daunting to a
new owner.  
Those that have altered or
replaced the original Nav electronics (Chartplotters, radar,
AIS, etc), what have you gone with, and where and who did
the work, or would you recommend to do the
work?
Thanks for your time,
consideration, and knowledge,Steve
MorrisonSM#380
TouraiFt Lauderdale





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445






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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] leakage current to the bonding system

amelforme
 

The most common fault is the electric toilets ( if you have the Jabsco units that were standard ) so take them out of the circuit and test again. The second most common cause is incorrectly installed equipment that was not originally installed by Amel. I am sure other owners will give you other examples. Good luck/good hunting

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:29 AM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hallo to all in the group,

A year ego I found that my Amel 54 had a leak from the minus to the bonding system. I could see this by pushing the small switch on the generator panel to the minus direction. The light came up, which shows that there was a leakage from the minus.it was a challenge to find the cause. It was found to be the cameras and the bad-boy WiFi range enhancer that were installed in Turkey. Their body was actually the minus and they were connected to the masts.....

Now my boat is in St Raphael marina in Cyprus near limassol for the winter ,and in my visit last week to the boat, during a routine check, the minus light came up again. I tried to find where the contact of the minus to the bonding system was,but no luck.

I know I have to follow the advice of Olivier ,and disconnect the minus from each equipment and check again, but I want to ask if there are groups or junctions of minus wires that I can check first to make this search more systematic and easyer ?

Any advice and help will be much appreciated.

Ofer Magen
SV Alba
Amel 54 #160 2010


Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

Jacob Champness
 

Hi all.

We're looking very seriously at a 1983 Maramu (Pura Vida, #124), in Stuart/Indiantown FL, USA.  Would anybody have any information they'd be willing to share on this vessel specifically or on similarly aged sisterships?  Anything good or bad?  

Thanks in advance,
Jacob 


Re: Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks for your update. The outhaul car on for my main looks more like the picture of Bill's. I think it may be possible to free the shackle pin by removing the screws that hold the end stops in place. I guess the question is whether the screws are threaded into the body, or have nuts on the back as you suggested.

John
SM 391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

 we did clean the hull of our 1982 Maramu april 2016 using cryogenic blasting; quite common now in the industry in Europe.
- boat had been in water since april 2014, unused since april 2015, growing weeds by the bushel & great farm for oysters & mussels -

Cryogenic blasting uses CO2 gas to produce carbonic dry ice pellets blasted on the hull at low air pressure; no dirt or pollution and less agressive on gel coat resins.
cleaned all layers of antifouling paint which had been splattered on during ? ages (no record of maintenance when we boughht the boat 2016) ?
went down to gel coat layers & left them clean to survey the hull and dry out before laying on new protection (époxy coating) underwater.
reasonable price (Euros 2K Euros for a speedy process - took 4 hours (setting up, work & dismantling apparatus) to team of 2 to clean the bottom hull of the Maramu.

If available in your corner of the Oceans, I would recommend that you check industrial cleaning companies for the service - search companies or small operators working for metal, housing (front coatings), wood, stone cleaning using low pressure compressors.

Worth the cost when you gain another 10 to 15 years of trouble free hull & the extra speed from a clean & smooth hull.

fair winds & clean hulls

christian alby, Maramu Désirade VIII, Canet/roussillon





De : "Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 16 janvier 2017 16h34
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers

On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to removeAntifouling to Gellcoat)

bob.sarff@...
 

My Amel Maramu is in Fiji and I had local labor scrape the bottom.  It was a a dirty job and took two to three workers about a 7days (Fiji time) to finish.  We are now letting the boat sit out of the water during the summer  cyclone season and will use a filler and then several coats of barrier coat before applying bottom paint.  The reason I choose to strip the bottom in the first place was that the lower layers of bottom pant were beginning to fail and sluff off and I had some blisters.

 

Bob

S\V Chara

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:34 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to removeAntifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers


On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

 

Best of luck,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Sardinia,  Italy

 

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view

 

 

 


leakage current to the bonding system

magenofer@...
 

Hallo to all in the group,

A year ego I found that my Amel 54 had a leak from the minus to the bonding system. I could see this by pushing the small switch on the generator panel to the minus direction. The light came up, which shows that there was a leakage from the minus.it was a challenge to find the cause. It was found to be the cameras and the bad-boy WiFi range enhancer that were installed in Turkey. Their body was actually the minus and they were connected to the masts.....

Now my boat is in St Raphael marina in Cyprus near limassol for the winter ,and in my visit last week to the boat, during a routine check, the minus light came up again. I tried to find where the contact of the minus to the bonding system was,but no luck.

I know I have to follow the advice of Olivier ,and disconnect the minus from each equipment and check again, but I want to ask if there are groups or junctions of minus wires that I can check first to make this search more systematic and easyer ?

Any advice and help will be much appreciated.

Ofer Magen
SV Alba
Amel 54 #160 2010


Which Amel ? Does anyone know the ehistory of design changes / revisions for Super Maramu

Mark Berger
 

Hi All,

Am considering a Super Maramu however I can not seem to find what was changed for each year's revision of the design & I am sure there were many upgrades over the years - some may have been better than others

So please feel free to bring out you experiences of particular years r& sub models etc & what changed or needed changing

I would consider the newer models Amel 55 & up however they seem to have gone for the floating home interior - walk around beds & armchairs etc that are unsuitable for long ocean passages ( correct me if you wish)

All Info & opinions welcome

Thanks

M



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

Steve Lawson <lawson911@...>
 

I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers

On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

We used a paint remover in 2013, it didn’t save any time maybe some effort. But it was a really relly messy job that we don’t recomend anyone to do. You have to have wear a full Water proof protection to not be hurt, you have to use tons of Water to washit away with, not only from the hull but even from the ground as the solutions is high corrosive. It you don’t wash the ground properly dogs or cats or other animal can get their pawn really bad damaged. We didn’t have this full body waterproof coverage and got some nasty burns where the raincoat didn’t cover.
Also you have to have the right temperature. If it is to hot the solution dries out and do the work. We hade to cover with adhesive plastic film to keep the moisture. As I said really really messy.

 

We had the work re-done in Trinidad, scraped down to the gelcoat and then new paint. I belive that we paid about 2500 USD for it. And it was done manualy.

 

Regards

Ann-Sofie

 

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I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view



Trying to reach Kimberlite /eric

n33077@...
 

Eric,

the time has come to replace my companionway door.  The delam is too far gone and the bottom edge is all chewed up.  I'm wondering if you could send me your notes on replacing the door. 

In fact anyone with experience on this any advice would be most welcome. 

Regards,

Aras Grinius
S/V FIASCO
Sharki #183






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

Patrick McAneny
 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

Patrick McAneny
 

George, I just had a Maxwell counter installed and it was necessary to install new wiring . I did not do the work , so do not know if it was difficult to pull the new wires. A few months ago someone wrote that the Quick did not need new wiring , you may want to check into that.
Pat SM # 123


-----Original Message-----
From: gdagreen@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 3:43 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

 
I have a 2004 Amel 53( COCO) with a non functioning chain counter and intend to replace it with  either a wired or wireless system from Lewmar/Maxwell/AA ( They are all made by  AA!).

Would be most appreciative to learn of other owners who have dealt with this problem. Specifically:

1. Can the existing original wire from the windlass to the cockpit be easily replaced by snaking the new wires onto the old or by another method?
1.b  If not, can the original wiring be used to splice onto the wire end fittings of the AA system without loss of signal strength.
2. Failing that, wireless systems are availible, but I have no idea how reliable they are, given the distance from windlass to cockpit. Experience,please??  I believe wireless systems work up to 30ft.

many thanks in advance

George


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning George,

I know this is not really the question you asked, but as Ben said if you were happy with the original one.

Here is a link with the Windlass overall:
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Part 23 will show you the installation of the new eye.
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul_part_23.html

Part 28 will show you the reconnection of the electric wires of the chain counter
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul_part_28.html

Good luck.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Sun, 1/15/17, gdagreen@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2017, 2:43 PM


 









I have a 2004 Amel 53( COCO) with a non functioning
chain counter and intend to replace it with  either a wired
or wireless system from Lewmar/Maxwell/AA ( They are all
made by  AA!).

Would be
most appreciative to learn of other owners who have dealt
with this problem. Specifically:

1. Can the existing original wire from the
windlass to the cockpit be easily replaced by snaking the
new wires onto the old or by another method?
1.b  If not, can the original wiring be used
to splice onto the wire end fittings of the AA system
without loss of signal strength.
2. Failing
that, wireless systems are availible, but I have no idea how
reliable they are, given the distance from windlass to
cockpit. Experience,please??  I believe wireless systems
work up to 30ft.

many
thanks in advance

George











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