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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

John,

I have forgotten. Between the main and the mizzen, one requires the piece of track...try it and you will find the answer. I am betting the main outhaul car needs the piece of  track.

Good luck.

BTW, I admire Amel for adding that horizontal brace to that shackle, because as we all know, a shackle is not designed to take loads from more than 45 degrees off the bow of the shackle.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 16, 2017 1:24 PM, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for your update. The outhaul car on for my main looks more like the picture of Bill's. I think it may be possible to free the shackle pin by removing the screws that hold the end stops in place. I guess the question is whether the screws are threaded into the body, or have nuts on the back as you suggested.


John
SM 391



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Amel ? Does anyone know the ehistory of design changes / revisions for Super Maramu

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

M,

We all tend to identify ourselves rather than going incognito.

The SM changed somewhat every year during its production, with a major change toward convenience and luxury in 2000.

If you work with the best Amel broker in the world, he will tell you everything that changed each year. Contact Joel Potter at jfpottercys"at"att.net

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 16, 2017 12:00 PM, "mark_b_berger@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

Am considering a Super Maramu however I can not seem to find what was changed for each year's revision of the design & I am sure there were many upgrades over the years - some may have been better than others

So please feel free to bring out you experiences of particular years r& sub models etc & what changed or needed changing

I would consider the newer models Amel 55 & up however they seem to have gone for the floating home interior - walk around beds & armchairs etc that are unsuitable for long ocean passages ( correct me if you wish)

All Info & opinions welcome

Thanks

M



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

Patrick McAneny
 

Ann -Sofie , Thanks for the feedback , chemical stripping does not seem to be the way , too messy . Diane just told me that today is your birthday , and that she sent you wishes thru facebook , so let me add my wishes for a Happy Birthday ! We hope to see you guys again someday.
Pat & Diane,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners]
To: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:27 am
Subject: SV: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
We used a paint remover in 2013, it didn’t save any time maybe some effort. But it was a really relly messy job that we don’t recomend anyone to do. You have to have wear a full Water proof protection to not be hurt, you have to use tons of Water to washit away with, not only from the hull but even from the ground as the solutions is high corrosive. It you don’t wash the ground properly dogs or cats or other animal can get their pawn really bad damaged. We didn’t have this full body waterproof coverage and got some nasty burns where the raincoat didn’t cover.
Also you have to have the right temperature. If it is to hot the solution dries out and do the work. We hade to cover with adhesive plastic film to keep the moisture. As I said really really messy.
 
We had the work re-done in Trinidad, scraped down to the gelcoat and then new paint. I belive that we paid about 2500 USD for it. And it was done manualy.
 
Regards
Ann-Sofie
 
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Ämne: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
 
I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to removeAntifouling to Gellcoat) [2 Attachments]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I am a scrapper, so I lean toward scraping. We had BeBe hand-scraped in 2011 in Turkey. It took 2 guys 2 days including a final sanding.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 16, 2017 12:49 PM, "bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from bob.sarff@... included below]

My Amel Maramu is in Fiji and I had local labor scrape the bottom.  It was a a dirty job and took two to three workers about a 7days (Fiji time) to finish.  We are now letting the boat sit out of the water during the summer  cyclone season and will use a filler and then several coats of barrier coat before applying bottom paint.  The reason I choose to strip the bottom in the first place was that the lower layers of bottom pant were beginning to fail and sluff off and I had some blisters.

 

Bob

S\V Chara

 

 

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From: Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:34 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to removeAntifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers


On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

 

Best of luck,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Sardinia,  Italy

 

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view

 

 

 


Re: Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

jjjk12s@...
 

Jacob,

I have hull 91 built in 1981. I bought the boat about 6 years ago and have refitted her. I don't know the history of the particular boat in Florida but it looks good from the pictures and a good price considering it looks like quite a bit has been updated. 

The winches on the aft cabin top are not standard and the refrigeration has been changed from a front opening refrigerator. The point mentioned earlier about the mizzen being over compressed and shifting that rope box between the mizzen mast and bulkhead appears not to have occurred. The engine is old but looks well looked after based on the pictures and the added fuel filtration. The willingness to post pictures of the nooks and crannies is a good thing. Some changing of carpet hull liner could be in order but the biggest problem is normally collapsing ceiling vinyl liner and this boat looks ok.

My boat has the same rig. Later ones had 2 spreaders and electric furling. An advantage of this set up is it easy to get off-the-shelf rigging parts if the old bits are corroded or worn out. I have a fully battened main and mizzen and that helps sailing performance. 

I don't think these boats are great for popping out for a few hours sail but if you are looking for an economical cruiser that is safe and "go anywhere" that boats looks good.

Personally, for an economical cruiser and an older boat, I think it's an advantage to have the conventional furling headsail with lowering main, no lowering bow thruster and a normal prop shaft. These are a plus on the later boats (ovbiously Amel progressed the design with the intention of improvements and modernisation - not going backwards) but the result is more convenience and luxury at the expense of more cost and more maintenance. It depends on what you're after and what your budget is.

Regards
John, Popeye, Maramu #91, 1981, Port Douglas, Australia


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jeremy@...> wrote :

Hi all.

We're looking very seriously at a 1983 Maramu (Pura Vida, #124), in Stuart/Indiantown FL, USA.  Would anybody have any information they'd be willing to share on this vessel specifically or on similarly aged sisterships?  Anything good or bad?  

Thanks in advance,
Jacob 


Re: Admiral Bill

Mark Erdos
 

When I see a post from Bill Rouse, I never question if it is correct or not. I take it as fact.

 

When we purchased Cream Puff, Bill sent me a DVD with all his maintenance files and manuals. It is still my first go to source when I have a question or need to understand something better. I can honestly say, Bill was one of reasons we purchased an Amel. He was so passionate on the forum (we joined prior to our purchases) that it made me question many of the things we found in other boats. He certainly made Joel's job a little easier. I have slowly found out he was right and there was good reason for his passion. I have emailed Bill several times outside the forum and he has always taken time to respond. I wish I could download his brain (just the Amel stuff) and have it for the rest of our cruising days. Bill contributions to this group are priceless.

 

Selfishly, I hope Bill doesn't leave us cold turkey. This forum will never be quite the same without him.

 

Bill, thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff and Bill's biggest fan

 

SM2K #275 - Currently cruising: Key West, FL - Still waiting for the wind to change direction

 

 

www.creampuff.us

___


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Admiral Bill

karkauai
 

Here Here!!
We're going to miss you Bill, please don't make us go cold turkey!
Kent



Admiral Bill

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Here Here
Danny


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

amelforme
 

Thanks Danny. I love Amel way too much to do anything else. I think we can get Bebe Bill to keep an eye on us and say 'whoa' when things that are not a good idea are shared. Bill never fails to impress me with the depth of his knowledge about all things Amel. We need to petition him, gently, to still hang out with us. Anyone else who agrees please post 'here here' under a new subject line. I suggest 'Admiral Bill'


Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jan 16, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amen to that Joel,
we have lost Bebe Bill. What are we going to do if we lose you too.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand



From: "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
Misters Alby and Lawson give very good and correct advice on stripping the bottom of old paint buildup. While sand blasting is a fast and relatively cheap way to remove old paint, it more often than not has disastrous side effects.
 
Here is why. Sand is not only very hard, but the grains are not uniform in size. This is a bad combination. High pressure air accelerates the pieces of sand from the nozzle that the operator holds in his hands. The trouble is, the different sized grains also have different mass/weight and get accelerated to vastly different speeds because of this. The higher speed sand projectiles easily penetrate deeper into the laminate than you might ever imagine, especially in areas where the gel coat gets thin or removed by the process. Even the best anti-osmosis coatings that you might apply are not totally waterproof/vapor proof. This fact, in conjunction with the hundreds of thousands of tiny holes created by the larger sand particles, provides an easy pathway for moisture to migrate into the very resin rich layer of mat fiberglass that Amel and other better quality boat builders use as a “veil” to limit the amount of ‘print through’ that the structural woven layers of fiberglass would transfer to the gel coated exterior surfaces if this “veil” were not present. And remember, all Amel boats built from the advent of the Super Maramu onward have the proprietary Amel anti osmotic coatings applied AFTER the gel coat is shot into the mold. It is on the inside of the gel coat.
 
Water vapor combining with left over elements caused by cartelization of liquid resin into solid resin is the primary cause of osmotic blisters. There are other things that can cause blisters, but for this discussion about sand blasting, enough is enough. Some boat manufacturers that offer blister warranties on new product specifically prohibit employing sand blasting and sand sweeping (adds some water to the mix!! ) and doing so voids the warranty. Trust me. I could go on for pages about all of this but since I don’t want to put anyone to sleep I’ll stop now.
 
I have fully participated in the surveys of hundreds  of Super Maramus, some four and five times now, that I have been fortunate to have sold. In almost every case of boats having thousands and thousands of little blisters, it was caused by sandblasting the old bottom paint off. It used to shock owners when the boat came out of the water and billions of blisters were there where none were before and I would ask them, “ When did you sandblast the bottom?”
 
So please, Amel friends, don’t sand blast your boat’s bottom. Whatever method you employ, if you see fiberglass laminate of any description, properly reapply ( That means read the instructions. Twice ) a well-known and proven anti –osmotic coating. Keep moisture out of your laminate. If anyone wants more information or wants to discuss the blisters you may have on your boat, don’t hesitate to contact me by phone or email.
 
And always, above all, have fun with your Amel!
 
Joel
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
 ESent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
 
 we did clean the hull of our 1982 Maramu april 2016 using cryogenic blasting; quite common now in the industry in Europe.
- boat had been in water since april 2014, unused since april 2015, growing weeds by the bushel & great farm for oysters & mussels -
 
Cryogenic blasting uses CO2 gas to produce carbonic dry ice pellets blasted on the hull at low air pressure; no dirt or pollution and less agressive on gel coat resins.
cleaned all layers of antifouling paint which had been splattered on during ? ages (no record of maintenance when we boughht the boat 2016) ?
went down to gel coat layers & left them clean to survey the hull and dry out before laying on new protection (époxy coating) underwater.
reasonable price (Euros 2K Euros for a speedy process - took 4 hours (setting up, work & dismantling apparatus) to team of 2 to clean the bottom hull of the Maramu.
 
If available in your corner of the Oceans, I would recommend that you check industrial cleaning companies for the service - search companies or small operators working for metal, housing (front coatings), wood, stone cleaning using low pressure compressors.
 
Worth the cost when you gain another 10 to 15 years of trouble free hull & the extra speed from a clean & smooth hull.
 
fair winds & clean hulls
 
christian alby, Maramu Désirade VIII, Canet/roussillon
 
 
 

De : "Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 16 janvier 2017 16h34
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
 
I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers

On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 
 
Best of luck,
 
James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy
 
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view
 
 
 



Re: Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

mr_hermanns
 

Jacob,

Purchased "Cerulean" Maramu #105 - '82 over 4 years ago, and have been loving every minute on the water. Spent the last 4yrs refitting the interior and creature comforts (she had original cushions and upholstery that needed some TLC). 

I've documented almost all of it on Cerulean's blog:

https://svcerulean.com/

Check it out - it's been a lot of hard and sometimes extremely frustrating work, but the end result is a vessel that is offshore seaworthy, built much better than newer plastic'hull thickness manufactured boats and has beautiful woodwork, layout + headroom and amenities (I'm over 6'4" tall).

The previous owner did a great job re-powering the year before I purchased her, Eric also made sure the electronics we're updated for normal modern demands (Freedom20) and a few 110v outlets throughout....so I've benefitted a ton from Mr. Lindholm's attention to detail and desire 'to do things right' the first time (thank goodness). 

Added a fresh water toilet to the aft head + plumbing back to the holding tank midship. New water pump and accumulator tank. 

Examples of my posts and how to have fun with documenting the somewhat tedious projects, IMHO focus on Celebrating the touchdowns!

New Salon Interior & Closet Curtains

  

Aft stateroom bed extension, and converted the tiny vanity into a cabinet (like the SM).

Aft Cabin – Vanity Conversion

 

New Flooring:
Replacing ugly carpet with Loncoin Flooring – Mission Accomplished

  

You too can update/upgrade a 80's Maramu it just takes time and proper budgeting, but for a reasonable price you end up with what I feel is a million dollar sailing yacht and rewarding investment. Friends who have 45-55ft+ Beneteaus, Catalina's and Jeanneaus always comment on the handling under sail and on the water - for them it's analogous to my first time in a German car (it just felt more engineered) :)


Just have fun and know your hard work will pay off!


-Jer

SVCerulean.com 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trying to reach Kimberlite /eric

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leakage current to the bonding system

amelforme
 

Hi Ofer. I am hoping that Gary Silver or X-Bebe Bill will chime in here with some specific recommendations on how best to proceed. I understand electrical theory and can work on electrical systems without setting things on fire, but those two guys forgot more about electrical trouble shooting and repairs than I will ever know. I am sure that other group members can also offer helpful suggestion based on their experiences.…

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leakage current to the bonding system

 

 

Thanks Joel,

 

Do you know where are the "junctions",in the boat,where "minus" wires  from the batteries are split to groups of equipments to make the hunting more systematic? 

 

I found the voltage between the bonding system and the minus to be 0.45V?

I had to leave the main switches ON, so how bad is it?

 

Thanks, 

Ofer 

SV Alba 

Amel 54 #160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Amen to that Joel,
we have lost Bebe Bill. What are we going to do if we lose you too.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand



From: "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 
Misters Alby and Lawson give very good and correct advice on stripping the bottom of old paint buildup. While sand blasting is a fast and relatively cheap way to remove old paint, it more often than not has disastrous side effects.
 
Here is why. Sand is not only very hard, but the grains are not uniform in size. This is a bad combination. High pressure air accelerates the pieces of sand from the nozzle that the operator holds in his hands. The trouble is, the different sized grains also have different mass/weight and get accelerated to vastly different speeds because of this. The higher speed sand projectiles easily penetrate deeper into the laminate than you might ever imagine, especially in areas where the gel coat gets thin or removed by the process. Even the best anti-osmosis coatings that you might apply are not totally waterproof/vapor proof. This fact, in conjunction with the hundreds of thousands of tiny holes created by the larger sand particles, provides an easy pathway for moisture to migrate into the very resin rich layer of mat fiberglass that Amel and other better quality boat builders use as a “veil” to limit the amount of ‘print through’ that the structural woven layers of fiberglass would transfer to the gel coated exterior surfaces if this “veil” were not present. And remember, all Amel boats built from the advent of the Super Maramu onward have the proprietary Amel anti osmotic coatings applied AFTER the gel coat is shot into the mold. It is on the inside of the gel coat.
 
Water vapor combining with left over elements caused by cartelization of liquid resin into solid resin is the primary cause of osmotic blisters. There are other things that can cause blisters, but for this discussion about sand blasting, enough is enough. Some boat manufacturers that offer blister warranties on new product specifically prohibit employing sand blasting and sand sweeping (adds some water to the mix!! ) and doing so voids the warranty. Trust me. I could go on for pages about all of this but since I don’t want to put anyone to sleep I’ll stop now.
 
I have fully participated in the surveys of hundreds  of Super Maramus, some four and five times now, that I have been fortunate to have sold. In almost every case of boats having thousands and thousands of little blisters, it was caused by sandblasting the old bottom paint off. It used to shock owners when the boat came out of the water and billions of blisters were there where none were before and I would ask them, “ When did you sandblast the bottom?”
 
So please, Amel friends, don’t sand blast your boat’s bottom. Whatever method you employ, if you see fiberglass laminate of any description, properly reapply ( That means read the instructions. Twice ) a well-known and proven anti –osmotic coating. Keep moisture out of your laminate. If anyone wants more information or wants to discuss the blisters you may have on your boat, don’t hesitate to contact me by phone or email.
 
And always, above all, have fun with your Amel!
 
Joel
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
 ESent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
 
 we did clean the hull of our 1982 Maramu april 2016 using cryogenic blasting; quite common now in the industry in Europe.
- boat had been in water since april 2014, unused since april 2015, growing weeds by the bushel & great farm for oysters & mussels -
 
Cryogenic blasting uses CO2 gas to produce carbonic dry ice pellets blasted on the hull at low air pressure; no dirt or pollution and less agressive on gel coat resins.
cleaned all layers of antifouling paint which had been splattered on during ? ages (no record of maintenance when we boughht the boat 2016) ?
went down to gel coat layers & left them clean to survey the hull and dry out before laying on new protection (époxy coating) underwater.
reasonable price (Euros 2K Euros for a speedy process - took 4 hours (setting up, work & dismantling apparatus) to team of 2 to clean the bottom hull of the Maramu.
 
If available in your corner of the Oceans, I would recommend that you check industrial cleaning companies for the service - search companies or small operators working for metal, housing (front coatings), wood, stone cleaning using low pressure compressors.
 
Worth the cost when you gain another 10 to 15 years of trouble free hull & the extra speed from a clean & smooth hull.
 
fair winds & clean hulls
 
christian alby, Maramu Désirade VIII, Canet/roussillon
 
 
 

De : "Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 16 janvier 2017 16h34
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
 
I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers

On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)
 
I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 
 
Best of luck,
 
James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy
 
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view
 
 
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

My pleasure George,

I have been receiving so much support and help from this forum, that I try to give back as much as I can…
Since I am a visual person, I try to document baby step!
Glad I can help!!! Hope we meet one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 1/16/17, gdagreen@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 16, 2017, 3:31 PM


 









Dear Alexandre,

I
am amazed how much good information I have received from
you, Ben and others in my first post. Between you you have
filled a lot of questions in my mind as a relativeley new
Amel owner.

Many thanks

George

S/n 434









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Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Many thanks ,Pat!!

Kind regards

George

S/n 434


Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Dear Alexandre,

I am amazed how much good information I have received from you, Ben and others in my first post. Between you you have filled a lot of questions in my mind as a relativeley new Amel owner.

Many thanks

George

S/n 434


Re: Replacement Chain Counter with new Lewmar/Maxwell/AA system

George Green
 

Ben,
Cannot thank you enough for your advice and key information on the chain counter, will investigate fully.

Might be seduced by the Auto Anchor systems that allow for a pre-measured chain drop and auto raise,
the former being very useful for med morring with a crew of two!

Kind regards

George
S/n 434


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

amelforme
 

Misters Alby and Lawson give very good and correct advice on stripping the bottom of old paint buildup. While sand blasting is a fast and relatively cheap way to remove old paint, it more often than not has disastrous side effects.

 

Here is why. Sand is not only very hard, but the grains are not uniform in size. This is a bad combination. High pressure air accelerates the pieces of sand from the nozzle that the operator holds in his hands. The trouble is, the different sized grains also have different mass/weight and get accelerated to vastly different speeds because of this. The higher speed sand projectiles easily penetrate deeper into the laminate than you might ever imagine, especially in areas where the gel coat gets thin or removed by the process. Even the best anti-osmosis coatings that you might apply are not totally waterproof/vapor proof. This fact, in conjunction with the hundreds of thousands of tiny holes created by the larger sand particles, provides an easy pathway for moisture to migrate into the very resin rich layer of mat fiberglass that Amel and other better quality boat builders use as a “veil” to limit the amount of ‘print through’ that the structural woven layers of fiberglass would transfer to the gel coated exterior surfaces if this “veil” were not present. And remember, all Amel boats built from the advent of the Super Maramu onward have the proprietary Amel anti osmotic coatings applied AFTER the gel coat is shot into the mold. It is on the inside of the gel coat.

 

Water vapor combining with left over elements caused by cartelization of liquid resin into solid resin is the primary cause of osmotic blisters. There are other things that can cause blisters, but for this discussion about sand blasting, enough is enough. Some boat manufacturers that offer blister warranties on new product specifically prohibit employing sand blasting and sand sweeping (adds some water to the mix!! ) and doing so voids the warranty. Trust me. I could go on for pages about all of this but since I don’t want to put anyone to sleep I’ll stop now.

 

I have fully participated in the surveys of hundreds  of Super Maramus, some four and five times now, that I have been fortunate to have sold. In almost every case of boats having thousands and thousands of little blisters, it was caused by sandblasting the old bottom paint off. It used to shock owners when the boat came out of the water and billions of blisters were there where none were before and I would ask them, “ When did you sandblast the bottom?”

 

So please, Amel friends, don’t sand blast your boat’s bottom. Whatever method you employ, if you see fiberglass laminate of any description, properly reapply ( That means read the instructions. Twice ) a well-known and proven anti –osmotic coating. Keep moisture out of your laminate. If anyone wants more information or wants to discuss the blisters you may have on your boat, don’t hesitate to contact me by phone or email.

 

And always, above all, have fun with your Amel!

 

Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
 ESent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

 we did clean the hull of our 1982 Maramu april 2016 using cryogenic blasting; quite common now in the industry in Europe.

- boat had been in water since april 2014, unused since april 2015, growing weeds by the bushel & great farm for oysters & mussels -

 

Cryogenic blasting uses CO2 gas to produce carbonic dry ice pellets blasted on the hull at low air pressure; no dirt or pollution and less agressive on gel coat resins.

cleaned all layers of antifouling paint which had been splattered on during ? ages (no record of maintenance when we boughht the boat 2016) ?

went down to gel coat layers & left them clean to survey the hull and dry out before laying on new protection (époxy coating) underwater.

reasonable price (Euros 2K Euros for a speedy process - took 4 hours (setting up, work & dismantling apparatus) to team of 2 to clean the bottom hull of the Maramu.

 

If available in your corner of the Oceans, I would recommend that you check industrial cleaning companies for the service - search companies or small operators working for metal, housing (front coatings), wood, stone cleaning using low pressure compressors.

 

Worth the cost when you gain another 10 to 15 years of trouble free hull & the extra speed from a clean & smooth hull.

 

fair winds & clean hulls

 

christian alby, Maramu Désirade VIII, Canet/roussillon

 

 

 


De : "Steve Lawson lawson911@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 16 janvier 2017 16h34
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

 

I did my bottom a few years ago, and my current boat is a Dufour 39 ( working my way up to an Amel ). It's a dirty, rotten, time consuming job, that you may do once, but will never repeat. Sandblasting is old school, the latest and greatest is soda blasting, which does a great job, is environmentally friendly, and is easier on the hull than sandblasting.
Cheers


On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been thinking I would like to get rid of all the layers of bottom paint. I was wondering about chemical stripers , if they work and how well. Seems like you may run the risk of scratching the gel coat scraping , is that a concern and how wide of a scraper would you use. I got a quote of almost $3000. to sandblast, more than I expected , being a one day job , but if it saves ten days of scraping ... Just wondering what others have done. Also wondering how one deals with the bottom of the keel only a couple of inches off the ground and resting on blocking.

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sandblasting Good or Bad?(to remove Antifouling to Gellcoat)

 

I have always avoided the chemical strippers myself due to concerns of short and long term damage to the gel coat.  The stuff goes into any cracks in the gel coat and can get into the laminate and or into any voids under the gel coat which is not a good thing.   The suggestion that was made to use a good sharp scrapper is IMO a good way to go,  just take your time.  As was also suggested, go with the carbide blades.  The Bahco 660 or 665 scrapper works well for me,  you can find these on Amazon.  You can also sand it off with a dustless system or use this as a follow up to the scrapping.  Definitely avoid using a heat gun as it is just too easy to craze the gel coat. 

 

Best of luck,

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Sardinia,  Italy

 

On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:11 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Forum, Just about to scrap bottom - is sand blasting good method? seen the end result - looks neat but rough compare to manual. Not sure if good or bad, however, about 50% cost compare to manual + chemical. Any experiences or view

 

 

 


Re: leakage current to the bonding system

ofer magen
 

Thanks Joel,

Do you know where are the "junctions",in the boat,where "minus" wires  from the batteries are split to groups of equipments to make the hunting more systematic? 

I found the voltage between the bonding system and the minus to be 0.45V?
I had to leave the main switches ON, so how bad is it?

Thanks, 
Ofer 
SV Alba 
Amel 54 #160


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

James Alton
 

Jacob,

   I bought Maramu #220 this year.  My wife and I love the boat.  I found that the handling was quite good along with the performance.  I was really expecting to give up a lot to have the protected cockpit but that does not seem to be the case.  Some of the US boats have 110V wiring added and if the boat you are looking at was modified for this, check to be sure that the watertight bulkheads were properly resealed.  This was one of the reasons we choose to buy overseas..to avoid a lot of previous modifications.  My boat has a different rig than the 83 you are looking at so I cannot comment much there.   A few of the Maramu’s have separation of the mizzen mast box from the forward face of the cabin.  This appears to be due to excessive mizzen rigging tension combined with the cutout in this compression member at the base for the engine hatch.   My boat does not have the problem.  Have you contacted Joel Potter?  I suspect that there is a good chance that he knows Pura Vida.  If you have any specific Maramu questions that I can help you with, let me know.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:39 PM, jacob jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi all.

We're looking very seriously at a 1983 Maramu (Pura Vida, #124), in Stuart/Indiantown FL, USA.  Would anybody have any information they'd be willing to share on this vessel specifically or on similarly aged sisterships?  Anything good or bad?  

Thanks in advance,
Jacob