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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Alan
We put a P79 right in the front of the front cabin under floor area as a second depth sounder almost 2m infront of the Amel original next to fwd head. Works great, will send you a pic if interested.
Colin
Island Pearl II #332
Brisbane

On 19 Feb 2017 8:34 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill,

That sounds like a good solution.
Where on the hull did you install the P79 ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill,
That sounds like a good solution.
Where on the hull did you install the P79 ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

I have Pantaenius US insurance with geographic restrictions (cannot go to Haiti, Venezuela, Panama Canal or Cuba, above 52 degrees North latitude or below 7 degrees North latitude or east of 50 degrees West longitude) but otherwise good for US East and Gulf coasts and all of the Caribbean.  There is a named tropical storm plan requirement from July 15 through November 1, which I have filed as being strapped into a steel cradle in Antigua.  This plan earned from Pantaenius US a 5% deductible for hurricane/TS damage.

There is no singlehanded restriction of any sort.  I am allowed a part time paid crew for up to 90 days. Total agreed fixed value is $415,000 for which the premium is $6501.50.   I also carry a 1 million dollar liability coverage for an additional  $650.00.  I have in almost 4 years of ownership submitted no claims, and Pantaenius US has renewed like clockwork every May.

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently in Sapphire Beach Marina, St. Thomas, USVI


Sonic Speed Replacement

greatketch@...
 

I installed an Airmar CS4500 in the hole where the old B&G depth transducer was, and for depth readings, used an Airmar P79 in-hull transducer.  So we kept full functionality--and put no new holes in the hull.

The CS4500 is an ultrasonic speed device that operates on a different principle than the sonic speed unit. I decided to try it because it is less susceptible to biofouling than the standard paddle wheel, and, at least in specification, gives the superior low speed (< 1kt)  performance that the sonic unit was so good at.

So far, I am moderately happy. At normal sailing speeds it is not more accurate than a clean well maintained paddlewheel, but it is not claimed to be. Low speed performance is good, measuring down to 0.1 knots to help with sail trim and distance logging on those SLOW days, a situation where most paddlewheels struggle.

I no longer have to fret that my distance log will have a brain freeze every time I turn the inverter on (like the sonic speed) It does not need to be cleaned on a frequent basis like a paddle wheel. I don't have to worry about a little piece of flotsam interrupting my distance log. Since the reason for replacement of the sonic speed was to improve reliability from that side of things it's all a win.

The raw data of speed measurement does tend to bounce around a bit, requiring a higher damping factor on display than I would prefer, but the data output give good results from my chartplotter's calculation of true wind, and current set and drift. To be fair, I have no idea what internal damping B&G has on the sonic speed data.  Certainly the damped response of the CS4500 does not look dramatically slower than the B&G.

If I was a buoy racer looking for fast and stable instantaneous readouts to help me make minor sail trim adjustments, I'd might be unhappy, but that's not me. A reliable distance log for navigation is my priority and this setup seems to be doing the job. 

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands
Under way today (we hope!) for Mayaguez, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

Hi Bill,

We get the travel lift slings placed in line with the masts.

re the sonic speed....mine is totally unreliable also...I was thinking of putting in an Airmar thru hull sonic sensor....I believe B&G once offered this device in their options for Hydra / Hercules.

What did you replace the B&G sonic system with ?

Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: Hauling the boat - strap locations

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Bill,

We get the travel lift slings placed in line with the masts.

re the sonic speed....mine is totally unreliable also...I was thinking of putting in an Airmar thru hull sonic sensor....I believe B&G once offered this device in their options for Hydra / Hercules.

What did you replace the B&G sonic system with ?

Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: Hauling the boat - strap locations

greatketch@...
 

Lifting with the strap as far back against the keel as it could go worked for us and cleared both the sonic speed transducers.  

To be honest, I actually wasn't all that worried about the sonic speed. It had become quite unreliable. One of the projects for that haulout was to install a backup speed device-- has now become our primary speed and log as the sonic has become so flaky as to be worthless as a practical navigation tool.  

Our next haulout will see the sonic speed log removed and the holes in the hull patched. It was one of those things that was just awesome--when it worked.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands
Ready to move south and east...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling the boat - strap locations

eric freedman
 

Duane,

I had Amel put sling marks on Kimberlite when she was made. You might add a set when you haul

your boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 6:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling the boat - strap locations

 

 

Thanks for the reply Bill and Joel.  The lift went fine.

 

On #477 the sonic speed transducer is about even with the back of the forward lifting plate, and the depth transducer is two feet forward of that, about at the back of the fwd head hatch.  It seems the right place for the forward strap is at the fwd lower shroud for the main mast so it doesn't lift on either of those transducers.  

 

I can see how you could put the fwd strap at the root of the keel, but I would have the operator incline the strap aft so it doesn't try to ride against the sonic speed transducer.

 

Duane


Re: Hauling the boat - strap locations

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for the reply Bill and Joel.  The lift went fine.

On #477 the sonic speed transducer is about even with the back of the forward lifting plate, and the depth transducer is two feet forward of that, about at the back of the fwd head hatch.  It seems the right place for the forward strap is at the fwd lower shroud for the main mast so it doesn't lift on either of those transducers.  

I can see how you could put the fwd strap at the root of the keel, but I would have the operator incline the strap aft so it doesn't try to ride against the sonic speed transducer.

Duane


Popping sound from Thomson clothes washer

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

I have recently begun to hear a loud popping noise from the Thomson clothes washer.  Only one to three times per laundry run, but consistently in the last three laundry runs.  Anyone else experience this?


I suspect a capacitor is going bad.


Derick Gates

Super Maramu 2000 #400

Brava

Currently in Saint Thomas, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for your reply Paul,

So no problem to go trough the French bridge (on high tide)! Nice to know.
I was a bit surprised to see the Fees on the Dutch side... they are going to kill their own market..

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/16/17, Paul LaFrance pflafrance@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM
To: "Amel Blog" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 11:32 AM


 












Thanks Alexandre

We don't stay in marinas so can't really say which
is best. Anse Marcel is far from Marigot so you would have
to rent a car. There is lots of room to anchor in Marigot
Bay or the French side of the lagoon. We take Nomad into the
lagoon through the French bridge
at high tide with no problem. The Dutch side has high port
and bridge fees.

Hope to see you here.

Paul






Paul & Sue LaFrance




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On Feb 15, 2017, at
4:19 PM, "Paul LaFrance pflafrance@hotmail.com
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wrote:

 







Paul & Sue LaFrance




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On Feb 15, 2017, at
11:15 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

 

Good morning Paul & Sue,



Sorry you are putting Nomad on the market…

I don’t know what is the market, personally I look at
Caribe yacht (where I purchased my boat) for price
comparaison:

http://www.caraibe-yachts.com/fr/occasions.php?recherche=constructeur&constructeur=1&longueur=0:0

If you have VAT paid, make sure to mention it, very
appealing for European buyers.


Where is your boat in St Martin? I am going there in April,
haven’t decided yet on the marina, thinking of Anse
Marcel, would love some feedback from you.


Plus would be nice to meet you.

Yes it is unfortunate many buyers think that a boat is a
boat and don’t look at the quality…




Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Wed, 2/15/17, pflafrance@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 8:49 AM





 



















Good day all

We are currently

looking at selling our SM #362 Nomad 1. Upon looking at

various sites for vessels for sale the prices seem all
over

the map. A broker suggested a price of $315,000  USD.
The

reasoning was the vessel is in turnkey condition with
such

low hours on the engine and genset.

Anyone

with advice on the pricing to ensure a fair price would
be

appreciated.

We would like to sell Nomad 1

within the next 6 -8 months. The boat is currently in St

Martin FWI.

We have noted over the past few

years the bottom seems to have fallen out of the prices

being asked and obtained for such a fine vessel when

compared to inferior build of vessels being sold today.

Full specs and photos can be seen on the

following web page. You do not have to have a Facebook

page

https://www.facebook.com/svnomad/posts/

Paul & Sue LaFrance





























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot failures and spares

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks very much Bill. This will help tremendously. Mine will be a little more simple, as both of my autopilots are late model Raymarine, and have the 12v clutch. When we get to St Martin I'm removing all my old Furuno electronics and installing 2 Raymarine ES series plotters, a couple of I70 multifunction instruments, and the new Chirp radar which I'm dragging back from the US. Looking forward to the project, and having everything talking to each other for a change. 

Thanks again for your help. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Feb 16, 2017, at 14:23, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,


If you go here:  


you will find a little bit of a write-up that hopefully give a start of a clue for you.  Throw that in with what Bill Rouse wrote, and you will be well on your way!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Bill,

We own hull #72, and the boat originally came with only the rotary drive above the galley, and one autopilot. I have since installed a complete 2nd autopilot, and have made an adaptor plate for the quadrant which will allow me to install a linear drive on the quadrant. As it is now, I have to do some minor re-wiring to switch from autopilot A to B. I really don't have a clue how to wire the autopilots or 2 drive units to switch back and forth easily. 

When you have the time would you mind providing me some more details of how you wired Harmonie to easily switch between drive units and autopilots? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. I plan on starting the installation of the linear drive while in St Martin in March, and will try out the system as we work our way to Panama for our canal transit in 2018. My personal email is flyboyscd at Gmail dot com. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Barbuda


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot failures and spares

greatketch@...
 

Hi Steve,

If you go here:  


you will find a little bit of a write-up that hopefully give a start of a clue for you.  Throw that in with what Bill Rouse wrote, and you will be well on your way!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <flyboyscd@...> wrote :

Hi Bill,

We own hull #72, and the boat originally came with only the rotary drive above the galley, and one autopilot. I have since installed a complete 2nd autopilot, and have made an adaptor plate for the quadrant which will allow me to install a linear drive on the quadrant. As it is now, I have to do some minor re-wiring to switch from autopilot A to B. I really don't have a clue how to wire the autopilots or 2 drive units to switch back and forth easily. 

When you have the time would you mind providing me some more details of how you wired Harmonie to easily switch between drive units and autopilots? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. I plan on starting the installation of the linear drive while in St Martin in March, and will try out the system as we work our way to Panama for our canal transit in 2018. My personal email is flyboyscd at Gmail dot com. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Barbuda


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Thanks Alexandre
We don't stay in marinas so can't really say which is best. Anse Marcel is far from Marigot so you would have to rent a car. There is lots of room to anchor in Marigot Bay or the French side of the lagoon. We take Nomad into the lagoon through the French bridge at high tide with no problem. The Dutch side has high port and bridge fees.
Hope to see you here.
Paul


Paul & Sue LaFrance

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On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:19 PM, "Paul LaFrance pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 



Paul & Sue LaFrance

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On Feb 15, 2017, at 11:15 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul & Sue,

Sorry you are putting Nomad on the market…
I don’t know what is the market, personally I look at Caribe yacht (where I purchased my boat) for price comparaison:
http://www.caraibe-yachts.com/fr/occasions.php?recherche=constructeur&constructeur=1&longueur=0:0
If you have VAT paid, make sure to mention it, very appealing for European buyers.
Where is your boat in St Martin? I am going there in April, haven’t decided yet on the marina, thinking of Anse Marcel, would love some feedback from you.
Plus would be nice to meet you.
Yes it is unfortunate many buyers think that a boat is a boat and don’t look at the quality…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Wed, 2/15/17, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 8:49 AM


 









Good day all
We are currently
looking at selling our SM #362 Nomad 1. Upon looking at
various sites for vessels for sale the prices seem all over
the map. A broker suggested a price of $315,000  USD. The
reasoning was the vessel is in turnkey condition with such
low hours on the engine and genset.
Anyone
with advice on the pricing to ensure a fair price would be
appreciated.
We would like to sell Nomad 1
within the next 6 -8 months. The boat is currently in St
Martin FWI.
We have noted over the past few
years the bottom seems to have fallen out of the prices
being asked and obtained for such a fine vessel when
compared to inferior build of vessels being sold today.
Full specs and photos can be seen on the
following web page. You do not have to have a Facebook
page
https://www.facebook.com/svnomad/posts/
Paul & Sue LaFrance





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Endoscope to see where you cannot

luvkante
 

Bill,

I have anotherone from RYOBI. Works well, has light.

Best

Martin
AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 15.02.2017 um 14:13 schrieb James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Bill,


   Try a search for boroscopes.  Most of them have the light and some have some fairly high resolution cameras.  I have found them useful for snooping around in behind liners and such to determine the condition of concealed structures etc.

Best,

James

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Feb 15, 2017, at 8:05 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
I just saw this endoscope for your phone. Does anyone have this?

I do not have one of these, but?? It is too bad that it does not have a light on the camera end. I can think of numerous times I would have used this. I wonder if the quality is there?? But for $20, maybe it is a worthwhile risk.


Best,

Bill
X-BeBe



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

eric freedman
 

Hi Alexandre,

Why don’t you drop by the Simpson Bay Marina. I feel the marina is superior to the ones on the French Side. In addition there is a lot more fun on the Dutch side.

Please let me know when you plan on being in SXM and we can hook up.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

 

 

Good morning Paul & Sue,

Sorry you are putting Nomad on the market…
I don’t know what is the market, personally I look at Caribe yacht (where I purchased my boat) for price comparaison:
http://www.caraibe-yachts.com/fr/occasions.php?recherche=constructeur&constructeur=1&longueur=0:0
If you have VAT paid, make sure to mention it, very appealing for European buyers.
Where is your boat in St Martin? I am going there in April, haven’t decided yet on the marina, thinking of Anse Marcel, would love some feedback from you.
Plus would be nice to meet you.
Yes it is unfortunate many buyers think that a boat is a boat and don’t look at the quality…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Wed, 2/15/17, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 8:49 AM


 









Good day all
We are currently
looking at selling our SM #362 Nomad 1. Upon looking at
various sites for vessels for sale the prices seem all over
the map. A broker suggested a price of $315,000  USD. The
reasoning was the vessel is in turnkey condition with such
low hours on the engine and genset.
Anyone
with advice on the pricing to ensure a fair price would be
appreciated.
We would like to sell Nomad 1
within the next 6 -8 months. The boat is currently in St
Martin FWI.
We have noted over the past few
years the bottom seems to have fallen out of the prices
being asked and obtained for such a fine vessel when
compared to inferior build of vessels being sold today.
Full specs and photos can be seen on the
following web page. You do not have to have a Facebook
page
https://www.facebook.com/svnomad/posts/
Paul & Sue LaFrance




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

eric freedman
 

There are a few Amels around Long Island, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Hope to see you soon.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

 

 

Outstanding!  And very appreciated!  

Thank you Eric I'll be in touch as things shape up. 

Would be cool to have an amel regatta us east coast!  

Porter


On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:41 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

HI,

There are slips and moorings available at my club, the Huntington yacht club. About 35 miles from Manhattan, a one hour train ride.

Hope to see you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

 

 

Eric. Plan is to sail up to ny this summer. Likely August. Will be in contact!


On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:22 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Welcome aboard,

If you happen to be in St Maarten this winter or Long Island this summer , please drop me a note.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 10:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

 

 

Welcome Dan and Lori

 

Great to hear it all went well and that you are planning to be active in this group. You would certainly have a wonderful boat having purchased Bill & Judy. Wishing you both many happy years of sailing on SV BeBe.

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:00 AM, dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all, it's been a month now since we moved aboard, so we are overdue to check in. We are Dan and Lori Carlson, the proud new owners of SM387, sv BeBe. I can't say enough good about the whole buying process. We spent 4 days with Bill and Judy in Trinidad in July when we agreed on the purchase. In January we joined them again in the USVI for 16 days to close on the sale and learn all we could about the boat and how to live comfortably aboard. They were an amazing resource for us to get an accelerated start on cruising; Bill for all things technical, going through all of the routine service tasks as well as the sustantial stock of spares for most things that can go wrong and Judy's instruction and tips for how to keep the boat comfortable and all of the great places to go. The boat was in pristine condition and all systems ready to go.
We are looking forward to slowly working our way south and east over the next 5 months before taking a break for the summer.
And yes, the Amel Owners group was a strong selling point for the boat. And yes, I have already started on some boat maintenance chores and hope to share more on this forum in the future.



 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot failures and spares

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Bill...all very helpful. 

Steve

On Feb 15, 2017, at 16:43, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve,

I am sure that Bill Kinney will give you all of the details, but when doing your project, remember that Raymarine drives, and others, switch from one direction to the other by reversing polarity on the DC voltage drive units, linear and rotary.

The reason that I point this out to you is that the drive units need to be in sync regarding causing the boat to turn to port and/or starboard. The drive units on BeBe #387 are wired to the A/B switch with the linear the opposite polarity of the rotary because of the geometry of mounting the linear. 

Also, remember that a 24VDC Raymarine Rotary or Linear drive will have a 12VDC clutch. This means that there are four wires going to the drive units:
  1. 12VDC positive to Clutch
  2. 12VDC negative to Clutch
  3. 24VDC positive in one direction, negative in the other going to the drive motor
  4. 24VDC negative in one direction, positive in the other going to the drive motor
If you can get your head around these points, the actual installation should be easy.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

We own hull #72, and the boat originally came with only the rotary drive above the galley, and one autopilot. I have since installed a complete 2nd autopilot, and have made an adaptor plate for the quadrant which will allow me to install a linear drive on the quadrant. As it is now, I have to do some minor re-wiring to switch from autopilot A to B. I really don't have a clue how to wire the autopilots or 2 drive units to switch back and forth easily. 

When you have the time would you mind providing me some more details of how you wired Harmonie to easily switch between drive units and autopilots? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. I plan on starting the installation of the linear drive while in St Martin in March, and will try out the system as we work our way to Panama for our canal transit in 2018. My personal email is flyboyscd at Gmail dot com. 

Reg ards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Barbuda

On Feb 14, 2017, at 21:18, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I don't doubt that 10% number for a minute!  It certainly squares with what I have seen.  Looking at the archived survey data from the Pacific Puddle Jump would gives a number at least that high and likely higher.


When we bought Harmonie she had two autopilots and two drives installed in the usual Amel configuration of a linear drive at the quadrant and a chain drive at the wheel. They were, however, not switchable. One drive was wired to one computer.  If there was a failure, you would have to do some rewiring to swap drives from one pilot to the other. It was also possible to inadvertently turn both on, which would lead to same serious problems with the steering gear as the two drives fought each other.

I installed a pair of 4-pole, double throw, Form C, switches. Now with two toggles over the sink I can hot swap either computer to be the active one, and use either drive, with no risk that both can be turned on at the same time. I very much like this arrangement, because the two computers have different strengths, as do the two drives.  Being completely separate, systems all parts are duplicated.

It is really helpful to my piece of mind that the entire "spare" autopilot system is installed and exercised on a regular basis. I know it will work when it stops being the "spare" and starts being the only one!
 
Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands.


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Bill Kinney referred to my mention of "10% of autopilots fail on ocean crossings." Maybe there is some doubt that this number is accurate.

I should have given everyone more inform ation about where this 10% number comes from. The 10% agrees with my experience with other 
boats crossing at the same time as we did. Many times while you are circumnavigating, you will cross in the loose company of 
others...seasons cause the migration at certain times.

I also asked the founder of the ARC and the ODYSSEY, Jimmy Cornell. In his vast experience, 10% of the boats crossing will have an autopilot failure. 

I strongly recommend having a backup for each component of your autopilot system during ocean crossings. Normally this includes:
  • Course Computer
  • Control head
  • Electronic compass
  • Rudder reference
  • Drive unit
I also recommend a backup GPS and any component such as an antenna.

There is a way to "rent" these backups for very little money. Buy them and sell them after your crossings a re complete. I bought ours from Dan Gerhardt mydurango.net>. Dan sells new old stock and refurbished Raymarine components...and will repair anything Raymarine. I believe that a number of Amel owners have used Dan with complete satisfaction. 

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Currently Galveston




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot failures and spares

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

I am sure that Bill Kinney will give you all of the details, but when doing your project, remember that Raymarine drives, and others, switch from one direction to the other by reversing polarity on the DC voltage drive units, linear and rotary.

The reason that I point this out to you is that the drive units need to be in sync regarding causing the boat to turn to port and/or starboard. The drive units on BeBe #387 are wired to the A/B switch with the linear the opposite polarity of the rotary because of the geometry of mounting the linear. 

Also, remember that a 24VDC Raymarine Rotary or Linear drive will have a 12VDC clutch. This means that there are four wires going to the drive units:
  1. 12VDC positive to Clutch
  2. 12VDC negative to Clutch
  3. 24VDC positive in one direction, negative in the other going to the drive motor
  4. 24VDC negative in one direction, positive in the other going to the drive motor
If you can get your head around these points, the actual installation should be easy.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

We own hull #72, and the boat originally came with only the rotary drive above the galley, and one autopilot. I have since installed a complete 2nd autopilot, and have made an adaptor plate for the quadrant which will allow me to install a linear drive on the quadrant. As it is now, I have to do some minor re-wiring to switch from autopilot A to B. I really don't have a clue how to wire the autopilots or 2 drive units to switch back and forth easily. 

When you have the time would you mind providing me some more details of how you wired Harmonie to easily switch between drive units and autopilots? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. I plan on starting the installation of the linear drive while in St Martin in March, and will try out the system as we work our way to Panama for our canal transit in 2018. My personal email is flyboyscd at Gmail dot com. 

Reg ards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Barbuda

On Feb 14, 2017, at 21:18, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I don't doubt that 10% number for a minute!  It certainly squares with what I have seen.  Looking at the archived survey data from the Pacific Puddle Jump would gives a number at least that high and likely higher.


When we bought Harmonie she had two autopilots and two drives installed in the usual Amel configuration of a linear drive at the quadrant and a chain drive at the wheel. They were, however, not switchable. One drive was wired to one computer.  If there was a failure, you would have to do some rewiring to swap drives from one pilot to the other. It was also possible to inadvertently turn both on, which would lead to same serious problems with the steering gear as the two drives fought each other.

I installed a pair of 4-pole, double throw, Form C, switches. Now with two toggles over the sink I can hot swap either computer to be the active one, and use either drive, with no risk that both can be turned on at the same time. I very much like this arrangement, because the two computers have different strengths, as do the two drives.  Being completely separate, systems all parts are duplicated.

It is really helpful to my piece of mind that the entire "spare" autopilot system is installed and exercised on a regular basis. I know it will work when it stops being the "spare" and starts being the only one!
 
Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands.


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Bill Kinney referred to my mention of "10% of autopilots fail on ocean crossings." Maybe there is some doubt that this number is accurate.

I should have given everyone more inform ation about where this 10% number comes from. The 10% agrees with my experience with other 
boats crossing at the same time as we did. Many times while you are circumnavigating, you will cross in the loose company of 
others...seasons cause the migration at certain times.

I also asked the founder of the ARC and the ODYSSEY, Jimmy Cornell. In his vast experience, 10% of the boats crossing will have an autopilot failure. 

I strongly recommend having a backup for each component of your autopilot system during ocean crossings. Normally this includes:
  • Course Computer
  • Control head
  • Electronic compass
  • Rudder reference
  • Drive unit
I also recommend a backup GPS and any component such as an antenna.

There is a way to "rent" these backups for very little money. Buy them and sell them after your crossings a re complete. I bought ours from Dan Gerhardt mydurango.net>. Dan sells new old stock and refurbished Raymarine components...and will repair anything Raymarine. I believe that a number of Amel owners have used Dan with complete satisfaction. 

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Currently Galveston




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot failures and spares

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Bill,

We own hull #72, and the boat originally came with only the rotary drive above the galley, and one autopilot. I have since installed a complete 2nd autopilot, and have made an adaptor plate for the quadrant which will allow me to install a linear drive on the quadrant. As it is now, I have to do some minor re-wiring to switch from autopilot A to B. I really don't have a clue how to wire the autopilots or 2 drive units to switch back and forth easily. 

When you have the time would you mind providing me some more details of how you wired Harmonie to easily switch between drive units and autopilots? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. I plan on starting the installation of the linear drive while in St Martin in March, and will try out the system as we work our way to Panama for our canal transit in 2018. My personal email is flyboyscd at Gmail dot com. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Barbuda

On Feb 14, 2017, at 21:18, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I don't doubt that 10% number for a minute!  It certainly squares with what I have seen.  Looking at the archived survey data from the Pacific Puddle Jump would gives a number at least that high and likely higher.


When we bought Harmonie she had two autopilots and two drives installed in the usual Amel configuration of a linear drive at the quadrant and a chain drive at the wheel. They were, however, not switchable. One drive was wired to one computer.  If there was a failure, you would have to do some rewiring to swap drives from one pilot to the other. It was also possible to inadvertently turn both on, which would lead to same serious problems with the steering gear as the two drives fought each other.

I installed a pair of 4-pole, double throw, Form C, switches. Now with two toggles over the sink I can hot swap either computer to be the active one, and use either drive, with no risk that both can be turned on at the same time. I very much like this arrangement, because the two computers have different strengths, as do the two drives.  Being completely separate, systems all parts are duplicated.

It is really helpful to my piece of mind that the entire "spare" autopilot system is installed and exercised on a regular basis. I know it will work when it stops being the "spare" and starts being the only one!
 
Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands.


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill Kinney referred to my mention of "10% of autopilots fail on ocean crossings." Maybe there is some doubt that this number is accurate.

I should have given everyone more information about where this 10% number comes from. The 10% agrees with my experience with other 
boats crossing at the same time as we did. Many times while you are circumnavigating, you will cross in the loose company of 
others...seasons cause the migration at certain times.

I also asked the founder of the ARC and the ODYSSEY, Jimmy Cornell. In his vast experience, 10% of the boats crossing will have an autopilot failure. 

I strongly recommend having a backup for each component of your autopilot system during ocean crossings. Normally this includes:
  • Course Computer
  • Control head
  • Electronic compass
  • Rudder reference
  • Drive unit
I also recommend a backup GPS and any component such as an antenna.

There is a way to "rent" these backups for very little money. Buy them and sell them after your crossings are complete. I bought ours from Dan Gerhardt mydurango.net>. Dan sells new old stock and refurbished Raymarine components...and will repair anything Raymarine. I believe that a number of Amel owners have used Dan with complete satisfaction. 

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Currently Galveston



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 



Paul & Sue LaFrance

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On Feb 15, 2017, at 11:15 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul & Sue,

Sorry you are putting Nomad on the market…
I don’t know what is the market, personally I look at Caribe yacht (where I purchased my boat) for price comparaison:
http://www.caraibe-yachts.com/fr/occasions.php?recherche=constructeur&constructeur=1&longueur=0:0
If you have VAT paid, make sure to mention it, very appealing for European buyers.
Where is your boat in St Martin? I am going there in April, haven’t decided yet on the marina, thinking of Anse Marcel, would love some feedback from you.
Plus would be nice to meet you.
Yes it is unfortunate many buyers think that a boat is a boat and don’t look at the quality…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/15/17, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Selling An Amel SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 8:49 AM


 









Good day all
We are currently
looking at selling our SM #362 Nomad 1. Upon looking at
various sites for vessels for sale the prices seem all over
the map. A broker suggested a price of $315,000  USD. The
reasoning was the vessel is in turnkey condition with such
low hours on the engine and genset.
Anyone
with advice on the pricing to ensure a fair price would be
appreciated.
We would like to sell Nomad 1
within the next 6 -8 months. The boat is currently in St
Martin FWI.
We have noted over the past few
years the bottom seems to have fallen out of the prices
being asked and obtained for such a fine vessel when
compared to inferior build of vessels being sold today.
Full specs and photos can be seen on the
following web page. You do not have to have a Facebook
page
https://www.facebook.com/svnomad/posts/
Paul & Sue LaFrance