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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane, 

Before you remove the water heater, have you checked the expansion tank which is located behind the water heater...it probably has a hole in it.

Let me know.

I will send you instructions for replacing the water heater.

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have a water leak near the top (opposite the connections) of the water heater.  The connections are not leaking!  I assume the leak is in the tank, so a replacement is in order.


In looking over how to get this 16" diameter by 25" long object out, it looks like I have to remove the wiring box for the Onan Genset (where the breakers are).


Is there any other way?


Anyone else have a leak near the top of the water heater?  I have a glimmer of a hope there's a seal there that's blown but I'm doubtful.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer SM#477


Learning all the boats systems one failure at a time!



Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

I have a water leak near the top (opposite the connections) of the water heater.  The connections are not leaking!  I assume the leak is in the tank, so a replacement is in order.


In looking over how to get this 16" diameter by 25" long object out, it looks like I have to remove the wiring box for the Onan Genset (where the breakers are).


Is there any other way?


Anyone else have a leak near the top of the water heater?  I have a glimmer of a hope there's a seal there that's blown but I'm doubtful.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer SM#477


Learning all the boats systems one failure at a time!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Smoking Gun...

James Alton
 

John,
  
   I think that some smoke with diesels on a cold start is normal.  I notice this a lot when laying up boats in Nova Scotia with temperatures that are quite low on Yanmar, Westerbeke, Cummins and the Perkins engines that I am familiar with.     I have always assumed that this was a function of the thermal mass of the engine cooling the combustion gases to a temperature that prevented all of the fuel being burned.  The fact that more throttle is required during these very cold starts to hold an rpm seems to support this.  

   Good detective work on figuring out the cause of the white smoke on your engine.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Feb 19, 2017, at 9:28 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Porter,

 

Ah, the great thing about a mechanical fuel pump - you know that the black smoke is meant to be there ;) 

 

But more seriously, it's interesting that the smoke is on cold start and not also warm start and that the engine is in proper use. Presumably you can easily rule out a number of usual factors that may be possibilities on a mechanical engine. I wonder where the boat is?

 

Similar to what Bill said, I wonder if the computer has a special setting for cold start, in effect the combination of injection timing, number of injections per stroke and fuel amount (plus glow plug if relevant) and that in a warm climate it isn't necessary and produces too much fuel for just a moment. Just a guess.

 

Separately, I am more than happy to be corrected, but I thought black smoke is inefficiently burnt fuel. Unburnt fuel produces white smoke. I've had an engine with a ho le in the valve leading to no compression in one cylinder and hence no combustion and lots of white smoke. The cylinder at fault was easy to identify by disconnecting the fuel line to each injector one at a time until the smoke stopped when no fuel was going to the cylinder at fault. Sure enough, when the head was taken off there was a hole about 2 mm across at the edge of a valve.  

 

Regards

John, Popeye, Maramu #91




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Smoking Gun...

Mark Erdos
 

Hi John,

 

You are correct, both white smoke and black smoke can indicate fuel issues. White smoke typically points to unburned fuel in the cylinder chamber. White smoke issues tend to be more serious than black smoke as they are normally mechanically related. Of course, none of this is pure science when I comes to diagnosing an engine. It is merely a start point.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising - Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Smoking Gun...

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

Ah, the great thing about a mechanical fuel pump - you know that the black smoke is meant to be there ;)

 

But more seriously, it's interesting that the smoke is on cold start and not also warm start and that the engine is in proper use. Presumably you can easily rule out a number of usual factors that may be possibilities on a mechanical engine. I wonder where the boat is?

 

Similar to what Bill said, I wonder if the computer has a special setting for cold start, in effect the combination of injection timing, number of injections per stroke and fuel amount (plus glow plug if relevant) and that in a warm climate it isn't necessary and produces too much fuel for just a moment. Just a guess.

 

Separately, I am more than happy to be corrected, but I thought black smoke is inefficiently burnt fuel. Unburnt fuel produces white smoke. I've had an engine with a hole in the valve leading to no compression in one cylinder and hence no combustion and lots of white smoke. The cylinder at fault was easy to identify by disconnecting the fuel line to each injector one at a time until the smoke stopped when no fuel was going to the cylinder at fault. Sure enough, when the head was taken off there was a hole about 2 mm across at the edge of a valve. 

 

Regards

John, Popeye, Maramu #91


Re: Smoking Gun...

jjjk12s@...
 

Hi Porter,

 

Ah, the great thing about a mechanical fuel pump - you know that the black smoke is meant to be there ;)

 

But more seriously, it's interesting that the smoke is on cold start and not also warm start and that the engine is in proper use. Presumably you can easily rule out a number of usual factors that may be possibilities on a mechanical engine. I wonder where the boat is?

 

Similar to what Bill said, I wonder if the computer has a special setting for cold start, in effect the combination of injection timing, number of injections per stroke and fuel amount (plus glow plug if relevant) and that in a warm climate it isn't necessary and produces too much fuel for just a moment. Just a guess.

 

Separately, I am more than happy to be corrected, but I thought black smoke is inefficiently burnt fuel. Unburnt fuel produces white smoke. I've had an engine with a hole in the valve leading to no compression in one cylinder and hence no combustion and lots of white smoke. The cylinder at fault was easy to identify by disconnecting the fuel line to each injector one at a time until the smoke stopped when no fuel was going to the cylinder at fault. Sure enough, when the head was taken off there was a hole about 2 mm across at the edge of a valve. 

 

Regards

John, Popeye, Maramu #91


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Collin
I am interssted in your pics, an upload would be great.
Thx
Peter
SY Wilson / SM #003
La Rochelle


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

John Clark
 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

John Clark
 

Hi Porter and Bill...and everyone,
I have been off line getting acclimated to SM37 in Martinique. Just this week getting time to pop my head up.

Porter aren't you looking at a newer Amel with the Yanmar engine? It might behave differently. My Volvo TMD22 does not smoke at all ever. That said the SM berthed next to me has a black sooty smear all over the side of boat...Amel mechanical have been working on it all week...smoke is probably not good..but if it is only at start up it may not be critical.

Dave "our" surveyor was concerned when the generator put out a puff and a bit of oil sheen when started during survey. ..but we learned the genny had not been run in three months. He was ok with it. Never saw either again.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil. SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Mark Erdos
 

Porter,

 

Also, keep in mind Dave Huffman is not a mechanic. He will note the engine puts out a black cloud of smoke at start up (if he sees it) but will not determine cause. Dave is an excellent surveyor. He surveyed Cream Puff at the time of our purchase and was very comprehensive. We have recommended him to others and all seem to be happy with his work. Tell him we said hi.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising - Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 

That's comforting. To say the least!  
I'll be sure to check. 

 

Many thanks Mark

 



On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:03 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).

 

A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

As always Bill, on the button.
Danny



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2017 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 
Porter,  

I hope that you do not mind receiving comments that do dot definitively solve your issue. Here are some of my thoughts:

I think Nigel Calder know something about a lot of things, and I sometimes disagree with him, especially when he uses generalizations and absolutes.

As Mark said, black smoke is an indication of unburnt diesel. The Volvo D3-110 computer and sensors appear to me to be one of the most misunderstood and most criticized systems in the marine business. It is extremely difficult to find a Volvo certified mechanic that completely understands the computer logic, controls and the sensors. Most of them repair these engines using the "bingo method" of repair which is they start replacing parts until they eventually "bingo." 

Someone needs to fully understand the Volvo system to find the answer. I certainly do not and I do not intend to learn it.

That said, I am betting that the Volvo D3-110 computer primes during the beginning of the start cycle and that this increase of diesel at startup may be normal to a limit, but I do not know the limit, not do I know what controls the limit and if it is adjustable. I believe that once the engine has started the Volvo sensors and computer work together to ensure that the engine is not over-fueled...this eliminates the cause of the black smoke you see at starting.

You state that Calder said, "...it indicates something serious...always.” This is the type of absolute statement that really bothers me about him, because it tells you nothing...what is "serious?" My serious and your serious may be two completely different things. And, "...always" is not possible in the marine business except that things are "always" unpredictable. I know a lot of people like Calder, and he knows a lot more than me, but it is things like this that are very troubling to me, but not "always."

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston, Texas

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
That's comforting. To say the least!  
I'll be sure to check. 

Many thanks Mark



On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:03 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 
Porter,
 
The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).
 
A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas
 
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...
 
 
Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter
 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

W Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

Bill- No I do not mind in the least!!!

All comments very much appreciated! I think once we get under there other findings may elucidate the nature and seriousness of the problem. A Volvo computer check would be helpful i think too.  

Interesting that you state even a Volvo mechanic would not implicitly “fully understand the Volvo system.” 
Thats a little disconcerting.  

I really appreciate it. 

Thanks amigo.

Porter










On Feb 19, 2017, at 2:29 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Porter,  

I hope that you do not mind receiving comments that do dot definitively solve your issue. Here are some of my thoughts:

I think Nigel Calder know something about a lot of things, and I sometimes disagree with him, especially when he uses generalizations and absolutes.

As Mark said, black smoke is an indication of unburnt diesel. The Volvo D3-110 computer and sensors appear to me to be one of the most misunderstood and most criticized systems in the marine business. It is extremely difficult to find a Volvo certified mechanic that completely understands the computer logic, controls and the sensors. Most of them repair these engines using the "bingo method" of repair which is they start replacing parts until they eventually "bingo." 

Someone needs to fully understand the Volvo system to find the answer. I certainly do not and I do not intend to learn it.

That said, I am betting that the Volvo D3-110 computer primes during the beginning of the start cycle and that this increase of diesel at startup may be normal to a limit, but I do not know the limit, not do I know what controls the limit and if it is adjustable. I believe that once the engine has started the Volvo sensors and computer work together to ensure that the engine is not over-fueled...this eliminates the cause of the black smoke you see at starting.

You state that Calder said, "...it indicates something serious...always.” This is the type of absolute statement that really bothers me about him, because it tells you nothing...what is "serious?" My serious and your serious may be two completely different things. And, "...always" is not possible in the marine business except that things are "always" unpredictable. I know a lot of people like Calder, and he knows a lot more than me, but it is things like this that are very troubling to me, but not "always."

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston, Texas

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>wrote:
 

That's comforting. To say the least!  
I'll be sure to check. 

Many thanks Mark



On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:03 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).

 

A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

  

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter

 







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,  

I hope that you do not mind receiving comments that do dot definitively solve your issue. Here are some of my thoughts:

I think Nigel Calder know something about a lot of things, and I sometimes disagree with him, especially when he uses generalizations and absolutes.

As Mark said, black smoke is an indication of unburnt diesel. The Volvo D3-110 computer and sensors appear to me to be one of the most misunderstood and most criticized systems in the marine business. It is extremely difficult to find a Volvo certified mechanic that completely understands the computer logic, controls and the sensors. Most of them repair these engines using the "bingo method" of repair which is they start replacing parts until they eventually "bingo." 

Someone needs to fully understand the Volvo system to find the answer. I certainly do not and I do not intend to learn it.

That said, I am betting that the Volvo D3-110 computer primes during the beginning of the start cycle and that this increase of diesel at startup may be normal to a limit, but I do not know the limit, not do I know what controls the limit and if it is adjustable. I believe that once the engine has started the Volvo sensors and computer work together to ensure that the engine is not over-fueled...this eliminates the cause of the black smoke you see at starting.

You state that Calder said, "...it indicates something serious...always.” This is the type of absolute statement that really bothers me about him, because it tells you nothing...what is "serious?" My serious and your serious may be two completely different things. And, "...always" is not possible in the marine business except that things are "always" unpredictable. I know a lot of people like Calder, and he knows a lot more than me, but it is things like this that are very troubling to me, but not "always."

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston, Texas

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That's comforting. To say the least!  
I'll be sure to check. 

Many thanks Mark



On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:03 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).

 

A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

That's comforting. To say the least!  
I'll be sure to check. 

Many thanks Mark



On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:03 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).

 

A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Mark Erdos
 

Porter,

 

The good news it is definitely not the turbo charger. When the turbo charger goes out you will lack RPM and put out a huge cloud of black smoke with a warm engine (ask me how I know this).

 

A lot of diesels will puff a little black smoke at start. It is an indication of fuel not being burned. It can be due to any number of things such as air in the fuel line or poor fuel quality. When was the last time the fuel filters were changed? (note I said “filters” with an S). Most likely your issue, if you have an issue, is fuel related.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay- Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter

 


Smoking Gun...

portermcroberts@...
 

Good Sunday morning you Oracles!

Just took Nigel Calder’s Diesel class.  Fascinating.  
I think humans are less complex!

Anyway quick question.  We are in the process of working through buying what seems like a great 2010 54.  

But…  did notice a big puff of black smoke on cold start up while visiting the boat.  Lasted 5 seconds then cleared up.. Owner said no problem.  Nigel disagreed.  He said on a common-rail like the Volvo D3-110 it indicates something serious.  "Always.”

Warm starts seem ok.  The remainder of the trip no smoke. I am sorry that I haven’t spent enough time in the engine room yet to have more details.  

Clearly it's a mixture issue, possible turbo?  

Any thoughts?  I am going down with Dave Huffman in a few weeks.

Always so very appreciated.

Porter



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Just to add information to the subject.
I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.
for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400 Euro ($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to 19N and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao).
There is NO coverage between June and November during windstorm name, unless the vessel is:
-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC
-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose built crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)
-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip with all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)
-Solo is limited to 18 hours.

We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my lines are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc. so they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple dock lines.

I am seriously considering using them once my current insurance expires.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Sat, 2/18/17, derickgates@comcast.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017, 7:35 AM


 









I have Pantaenius US insurance with geographic
restrictions (cannot go to Haiti, Venezuela, Panama Canal or
Cuba, above 52 degrees North latitude or below 7 degrees
North latitude or east of 50 degrees West longitude) but
otherwise good for US East and Gulf coasts and all of the
Caribbean.  There is a named tropical storm plan
requirement from July 15 through November 1, which I have
filed as being strapped into a steel cradle in Antigua.
 This plan earned from Pantaenius US a 5% deductible for
hurricane/TS damage.
There is no singlehanded restriction
of any sort.  I am allowed a part time paid crew for up to
90 days. Total agreed fixed value is $415,000 for which the
premium is $6501.50.   I also carry a 1 million dollar
liability coverage for an additional  $650.00.  I have in
almost 4 years of ownership submitted no claims, and
Pantaenius US has renewed like clockwork every
May.
Derick
GatesSM2K#400 BravaCurrently in
Sapphire Beach Marina, St. Thomas, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

Leopold Hauer
 

Hello Colin

I'm interested on your pictures, please make an upload.

Leo

YinYang, SM#69
Austria

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 19.02.2017 um 10:49 schrieb SV Island Pearl II colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter, Alan, Dieter

I've just sent you all directly the pictures of the P79 installation under front cabin floor, mizzen mast dual radars with cameras, and the camera control system and nav station picture as requested. Let me know if you did not receive these. If anyone else was interested let me know and I will upload the pics to the Amel owners site.
Cheers
Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 PM, SV Island Pearl II <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Alan, no problem I will go down to the boat today and send you a pic direct after. Also Hanspeter was still wanting one regarding the mizzen mast cameras so will get a pic of that too for him direct too.

The P79 goes directly into my Raymarine ES97 at the helm. The cable they come with isn't long enough to get much past the Nav station so I had my electronics guy extend that cable all the way to the helm. In our case this is only really a 2nd backup depth sounder so I generally don't have it on (ie plugged in to the back of the Raymarine unit) unless we are in shallow water here, travelling between sand banks slowly into shallower water as it is a good 1.5m - 2m in front of the original depth sounder, so a really nice early warning system ahead of the normal sounder before actually hitting the many sand banks here in Moreton Bay.

I should add, apart from saving power, the other reason we don't have the P79 on all the time is because of the faint clicking noises it makes when on. Could possibly annoy someone sleeping up front.

Colin, Island Pearl II
SM#332


On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:59 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Colin,

Yes pic please....also what exact model of P79 did you install ...did you connect it to B&G Hydra, or something else?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hanspeter, Alan, Dieter

I've just sent you all directly the pictures of the P79 installation under front cabin floor, mizzen mast dual radars with cameras, and the camera control system and nav station picture as requested. Let me know if you did not receive these. If anyone else was interested let me know and I will upload the pics to the Amel owners site.
Cheers
Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 PM, SV Island Pearl II <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Alan, no problem I will go down to the boat today and send you a pic direct after. Also Hanspeter was still wanting one regarding the mizzen mast cameras so will get a pic of that too for him direct too.

The P79 goes directly into my Raymarine ES97 at the helm. The cable they come with isn't long enough to get much past the Nav station so I had my electronics guy extend that cable all the way to the helm. In our case this is only really a 2nd backup depth sounder so I generally don't have it on (ie plugged in to the back of the Raymarine unit) unless we are in shallow water here, travelling between sand banks slowly into shallower water as it is a good 1.5m - 2m in front of the original depth sounder, so a really nice early warning system ahead of the normal sounder before actually hitting the many sand banks here in Moreton Bay.

I should add, apart from saving power, the other reason we don't have the P79 on all the time is because of the faint clicking noises it makes when on. Could possibly annoy someone sleeping up front.

Colin, Island Pearl II
SM#332


On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:59 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Colin,

Yes pic please....also what exact model of P79 did you install ...did you connect it to B&G Hydra, or something else?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445