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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nav Instruments on SM

Peter Jaeger
 




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Am Dienstag, Februar 28, 2017, 01:20 schrieb svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Bill's solution is brilliant.  That's what I would do.


We never had beautiful B&G analogues, as hull #350 came from the factory with an all-Raytheon cockpit (and an all-Furuno nav table).  So in 2013 we replaced the Raytheon instruments with B&G Triton displays.  The Tritons are amazing, from displaying "analog" gauges, to 10, 20, 30 min historicals, to doing most of what a chart plotter usually does.

Here's what's bad about the Tritons: at night, you set them to night mode: red light on a black background, but the red, which is direct lighting, will still negatively impact your night vision.  So you lower the brightness.  The problem is that when you dim them as much as you need, then you can't really read them!

There are now Triton2 instruments which may have better screens.  Something to consider.

Peregrinus
Venice


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nav Instruments on SM

Peter Jaeger
 

Thank you Bill, that's realy briliant.
Now, my only speed indication is SOG from GPS and that is good enough. For the Ultra Sonic Speed from NKE, I would have to drill a new hole the get SOW. I think I am quite happy with SOG, even with some log-errors with strong curents. I will contact Tinley. What's the best contact, Sarah was her name?

If I want to upgrade my Hydra System to NMEA, would it be good enough to upgrade ONE FFD or do I have to do that with all components (2xFFD plus Processor)?

Peter

SY Wilson, SM#003, La Rochelle



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Am Montag, Februar 27, 2017, 23:26 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Peter,

It sounds like you may be looking for another option...

One option is to display SOG on the analog B&G cockpit gauges and on the Hydra FFD rather than SOW by installing a NMEA paddlewheel. 

The NMEA Paddlewheel device connects to a data port on the GPS, reads the GPS NMEA sentences and finds SOG. It then translates that SOG into B&G language as SOW. If you are a sailing purest, SOW may be important to you if you must know how much current is impacting your SOG, but remember SOG is what really counts and gets you where you are going. 

This solution may be the best for you. It is simple to install: 2 wires connect to 12VDC at the Hydra toggle switch, 2 wires connect to NMEA data OUT on your GPS and 2 wires connect to the B&G computer at the same place that sonic speed or paddlewheel connect.


NMEA Paddlewheel

NMEA Paddlewheel

The NMEA Paddlewheel converts NMEA from either a GPS or electromagnetic log to a paddlewheel output suitable for connecting directly to an instrument system, such as a B&G Hydra/Hercules.

Retail price £295.00

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, mallamok@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi everybody

Since one year I am refitting a older SM in La Rochelle (1989, SM #3).

I am quite happy, the old Lady is pretty again.

I installed a new Radar (Simrad 4G), an NAIS 400 and both are connected to a Lowrance HDS10 1 Gen. Works excellent. The B&G equippment is the original one, a Hydra 330, with 4 analog Instruments in the Cockpit (no NMEA), one Hydra330 FFD at the Chart table and one Hydra2 FFD, both none NMEA:

The sonic Speed is not working correctly anymore, the is Speed, but never more than 2 knots, regardless of the SOG on the GPS. Since there are no spares anymore for the Sonic Speed from B@G, Stephane from Pochon recommend a Ultra Sonic Speed Sensor from NKE, which should be compatible with my Hydra, good News but.... it is about 1000 Euro!

My dream is to have the Hydra upgraded to NMEA Protocoll, to have wind and Autopilot connected (also an old Autohelm ST700, Type300, Rotary Drive Type2).

What do you experienced guys recommend, shall I keep/upgrade my old Equipment (I already replaced the wind 321 when I bought my boat) or shall I replace the old ones with a Triton or Raymarine System. One reason why I am asking: I like the analoge Instruments in the Cockpit more than digital ones. But I am afraid that upgrading is much more expensive. Good advices are very wellcome.

Cheers

Peter

SY Wilson, SM#003, La Rochelle



Re: Nav Instruments on SM

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Bill's solution is brilliant.  That's what I would do.

We never had beautiful B&G analogues, as hull #350 came from the factory with an all-Raytheon cockpit (and an all-Furuno nav table).  So in 2013 we replaced the Raytheon instruments with B&G Triton displays.  The Tritons are amazing, from displaying "analog" gauges, to 10, 20, 30 min historicals, to doing most of what a chart plotter usually does.

Here's what's bad about the Tritons: at night, you set them to night mode: red light on a black background, but the red, which is direct lighting, will still negatively impact your night vision.  So you lower the brightness.  The problem is that when you dim them as much as you need, then you can't really read them!

There are now Triton2 instruments which may have better screens.  Something to consider.

Peregrinus
Venice


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nav Instruments on SM

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Peter,

It sounds like you may be looking for another option...

One option is to display SOG on the analog B&G cockpit gauges and on the Hydra FFD rather than SOW by installing a NMEA paddlewheel. 

The NMEA Paddlewheel device connects to a data port on the GPS, reads the GPS NMEA sentences and finds SOG. It then translates that SOG into B&G language as SOW. If you are a sailing purest, SOW may be important to you if you must know how much current is impacting your SOG, but remember SOG is what really counts and gets you where you are going. 

This solution may be the best for you. It is simple to install: 2 wires connect to 12VDC at the Hydra toggle switch, 2 wires connect to NMEA data OUT on your GPS and 2 wires connect to the B&G computer at the same place that sonic speed or paddlewheel connect.


NMEA Paddlewheel

NMEA Paddlewheel

The NMEA Paddlewheel converts NMEA from either a GPS or electromagnetic log to a paddlewheel output suitable for connecting directly to an instrument system, such as a B&G Hydra/Hercules.

Retail price £295.00

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, mallamok@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi everybody

Since one year I am refitting a older SM in La Rochelle (1989, SM #3).

I am quite happy, the old Lady is pretty again.

I installed a new Radar (Simrad 4G), an NAIS 400 and both are connected to a Lowrance HDS10 1 Gen. Works excellent. The B&G equippment is the original one, a Hydra 330, with 4 analog Instruments in the Cockpit (no NMEA), one Hydra330 FFD at the Chart table and one Hydra2 FFD, both none NMEA:

The sonic Speed is not working correctly anymore, the is Speed, but never more than 2 knots, regardless of the SOG on the GPS. Since there are no spares anymore for the Sonic Speed from B@G, Stephane from Pochon recommend a Ultra Sonic Speed Sensor from NKE, which should be compatible with my Hydra, good News but.... it is about 1000 Euro!

My dream is to have the Hydra upgraded to NMEA Protocoll, to have wind and Autopilot connected (also an old Autohelm ST700, Type300, Rotary Drive Type2).

What do you experienced guys recommend, shall I keep/upgrade my old Equipment (I already replaced the wind 321 when I bought my boat) or shall I replace the old ones with a Triton or Raymarine System. One reason why I am asking: I like the analoge Instruments in the Cockpit more than digital ones. But I am afraid that upgrading is much more expensive. Good advices are very wellcome.

Cheers

Peter

SY Wilson, SM#003, La Rochelle



Nav Instruments on SM

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi everybody

Since one year I am refitting a older SM in La Rochelle (1989, SM #3).

I am quite happy, the old Lady is pretty again.

I installed a new Radar (Simrad 4G), an NAIS 400 and both are connected to a Lowrance HDS10 1 Gen. Works excellent. The B&G equippment is the original one, a Hydra 330, with 4 analog Instruments in the Cockpit (no NMEA), one Hydra330 FFD at the Chart table and one Hydra2 FFD, both none NMEA:

The sonic Speed is not working correctly anymore, the is Speed, but never more than 2 knots, regardless of the SOG on the GPS. Since there are no spares anymore for the Sonic Speed from B@G, Stephane from Pochon recommend a Ultra Sonic Speed Sensor from NKE, which should be compatible with my Hydra, good News but.... it is about 1000 Euro!

My dream is to have the Hydra upgraded to NMEA Protocoll, to have wind and Autopilot connected (also an old Autohelm ST700, Type300, Rotary Drive Type2).

What do you experienced guys recommend, shall I keep/upgrade my old Equipment (I already replaced the wind 321 when I bought my boat) or shall I replace the old ones with a Triton or Raymarine System. One reason why I am asking: I like the analoge Instruments in the Cockpit more than digital ones. But I am afraid that upgrading is much more expensive. Good advices are very wellcome.

Cheers

Peter

SY Wilson, SM#003, La Rochelle


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Incoming fuel filter

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Eric;
 
I tried sending you an e-mail (kimberlite@...) but came back as undeliverable. I would also be interested in seeing pictures of your tank pre-filter installation. I have been contemplating setting up a pre-filter and polishing system on board for a while. My e-mail address is mshirloo@....
 
Thank you
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Incoming fuel filter

eric freedman
 

Please send me your email and I will send the photo.

Eric

Fair Winds sm376 kimberlite

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Incoming fuel filter

 

 

I'd love to see a photo or photos of that!!!  Very cool. 

Great idea. 

Porter


On Feb 26, 2017, at 4:20 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I forgot to mention,

Thanks to Ian Jenkins (Pen Azen) he suggested I and a pre filter to my fuel system.

When Kimberlite was built I had Anel install this.

I provided the pump , Racor filter and housing.

Amel installed a “y” valve at the fuel fill.

When in the filter position, the fuel is pumped through a fuel Pump filter. It is huge, about a foot long and 4 inches in diameter. The filter housing has 1 or 1 ¼ inch fittings. The fuel is filtered through the filter and then pumped into the tank. This insures clen fuel in the tank.

Thanks Ian and Judy.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel tank clean-up

 

 

What, the Admiral left "piles of crud" in the fuel tank!     Just messing with you Bill  ;)

   Dan, that was a  smart way to clean it up.  My previous owner was adamant about fuel cleanliness and admonished me to keep the main tank as full as possible.  He provided a "baja filter"  and reported that he ran all the fuel in the tank through it.  He filled jerry-cans when he need to refuel and then loaded them through the baja to the tank.  Maybe tedious overkill but he says he never had a fuel issue after 16 years and two circumnavigations. 

 

With my small boat, in the US, I was caviler with fuel filling as the tank was only 10 gallons and was refilled frequently....but I have lots of memories of fuel issues with the Catalina over the years...so maybe he is onto something.

 

              Regards,   John

 

John Clark

Vent de Soleil  SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Incoming fuel filter

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

I'd love to see a photo or photos of that!!!  Very cool. 
Great idea. 
Porter


On Feb 26, 2017, at 4:20 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I forgot to mention,

Thanks to Ian Jenkins (Pen Azen) he suggested I and a pre filter to my fuel system.

When Kimberlite was built I had Anel install this.

I provided the pump , Racor filter and housing.

Amel installed a “y” valve at the fuel fill.

When in the filter position, the fuel is pumped through a fuel Pump filter. It is huge, about a foot long and 4 inches in diameter. The filter housing has 1 or 1 ¼ inch fittings. The fuel is filtered through the filter and then pumped into the tank. This insures clen fuel in the tank.

Thanks Ian and Judy.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel tank clean-up

 

 

What, the Admiral left "piles of crud" in the fuel tank!     Just messing with you Bill  ;)

   Dan, that was a  smart way to clean it up.  My previous owner was adamant about fuel cleanliness and admonished me to keep the main tank as full as possible.  He provided a "baja filter"  and reported that he ran all the fuel in the tank through it.  He filled jerry-cans when he need to refuel and then loaded them through the baja to the tank.  Maybe tedious overkill but he says he never had a fuel issue after 16 years and two circumnavigations. 

 

With my small boat, in the US, I was caviler with fuel filling as the tank was only 10 gallons and was refilled frequently....but I have lots of memories of fuel issues with the Catalina over the years...so maybe he is onto something.

 

              Regards,   John

 

John Clark

Vent de Soleil  SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel tank clean-up

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks Eric, and John,  

Bill left me with a Baja filter and a lighter duty filter he said that he used based on the quality of the source. With one of the most important factors being the volume of fuel that they moved.   

The reason I shared this is what I found as options for dealing with fuel was either a) tank and fuel cleaning/polishing, or b) relying on your fuel filtration system.   But since I saw this and it was small, I was able to easilly remove it. And thought it was worth sharing.

Eric, I will look into the fuel addititive you recommended as my bottle is running low.  

As for the gaskets; Rubbercal technical support recommended their commercial grade nitrile rubber product (   http://www.rubbercal.com/sheet-rubber/nitrile-rubber/nitrile-commercial-grade-black-60a.html. ) as providing the best resistence to diesel fuel.  I had also seen this analysis from other sources.  

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson




On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:30 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

What, the Admiral left "piles of crud" in the fuel tank!     Just messing with you Bill  ;)

   Dan, that was a  smart way to clean it up.  My previous owner was adamant about fuel cleanliness and admonished me to keep the main tank as full as possible.  He provided a "baja filter"  and reported that he ran all the fuel in the tank through it.  He filled jerry-cans when he need to refuel and then loaded them through the baja to the tank.  Maybe tedious overkill but he says he never had a fuel issue after 16 years and two circumnavigations. 

With my small boat, in the US, I was caviler with fuel filling as the tank was only 10 gallons and was refilled frequently....but I have lots of memories of fuel issues with the Catalina over the years...so maybe he is onto something.

              Regards,   John

John Clark
Vent de Soleil  SM 037
Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Thomas Peacock
 

Thanks as always, Olivier. 
One last observation as I further explored:
Indeed, under the pilot berth is an orange wire that can be disconnected, just as you said. What I then noticed is that the white wire that carries the "real" electricity to the FM/CD, also then loses it's power, so the radio doesn't work, even though the breaker is on. Not sure why that is, but I'm brain dead now after tracing wires. Bottom line, only disconnect the orange wire when leaving if the boat for a long time, as you stated. When you return, if the radio doesn't work, then reconnect it. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Saint Augustine, Florida 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part

Thomas Peacock
 

Thanks as always, Joel. The unknown rack is too large for any of the galley cabinets. Certainly not mission critical, but I get curious sometimes. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Saint Augustine, Florida 


On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:01 PM 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Tom. That is probably the wine/liquor holders that were originally installed in the galley cabinet just outboard of the washer-dryer area in the forward island of the galley. If that doesn’t seem correct, send a picture where the entire object is shown, in its entirety edges to edges and I’ll hazard another guess.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

While we have owned Aletes for several years, a few parts and their uses remain obscure to me. I was going through the forward bilge and again came across what seems to be a wine rack. We have three racks already: a built in one in the galley cabinet, one under the table, and one that sets into the table top. I can't see where this one would fit; note the one irregular corner. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes 

Saint Augustine, Florida 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part [1 Attachment]

Mark Erdos
 

Tom,

 

I think this is a fitting for one of your cabinets to hold glasses. We have a similar set up in the cupboard aft of the stove and in the cupboards under the galley countertop. However, I’m not sure where this particular fitting fits.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Staniel Cay – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

While we have owned Aletes for several years, a few parts and their uses remain obscure to me. I was going through the forward bilge and again came across what seems to be a wine rack. We have three racks already: a built in one in the galley cabinet, one under the table, and one that sets into the table top. I can't see where this one would fit; note the one irregular corner. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes 

Saint Augustine, Florida 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part [1 Attachment]

amelforme
 

Hi Tom. That is probably the wine/liquor holders that were originally installed in the galley cabinet just outboard of the washer-dryer area in the forward island of the galley. If that doesn’t seem correct, send a picture where the entire object is shown, in its entirety edges to edges and I’ll hazard another guess.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Amel Part [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

While we have owned Aletes for several years, a few parts and their uses remain obscure to me. I was going through the forward bilge and again came across what seems to be a wine rack. We have three racks already: a built in one in the galley cabinet, one under the table, and one that sets into the table top. I can't see where this one would fit; note the one irregular corner. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes 

Saint Augustine, Florida 


Unknown Amel Part

Thomas Peacock
 

While we have owned Aletes for several years, a few parts and their uses remain obscure to me. I was going through the forward bilge and again came across what seems to be a wine rack. We have three racks already: a built in one in the galley cabinet, one under the table, and one that sets into the table top. I can't see where this one would fit; note the one irregular corner. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes 

Saint Augustine, Florida 


Incoming fuel filter

eric freedman
 

I forgot to mention,

Thanks to Ian Jenkins (Pen Azen) he suggested I and a pre filter to my fuel system.

When Kimberlite was built I had Anel install this.

I provided the pump , Racor filter and housing.

Amel installed a “y” valve at the fuel fill.

When in the filter position, the fuel is pumped through a fuel Pump filter. It is huge, about a foot long and 4 inches in diameter. The filter housing has 1 or 1 ¼ inch fittings. The fuel is filtered through the filter and then pumped into the tank. This insures clen fuel in the tank.

Thanks Ian and Judy.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel tank clean-up

 

 

What, the Admiral left "piles of crud" in the fuel tank!     Just messing with you Bill  ;)

   Dan, that was a  smart way to clean it up.  My previous owner was adamant about fuel cleanliness and admonished me to keep the main tank as full as possible.  He provided a "baja filter"  and reported that he ran all the fuel in the tank through it.  He filled jerry-cans when he need to refuel and then loaded them through the baja to the tank.  Maybe tedious overkill but he says he never had a fuel issue after 16 years and two circumnavigations. 

 

With my small boat, in the US, I was caviler with fuel filling as the tank was only 10 gallons and was refilled frequently....but I have lots of memories of fuel issues with the Catalina over the years...so maybe he is onto something.

 

              Regards,   John

 

John Clark

Vent de Soleil  SM 037

Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Fuel tank clean-up

John Clark
 

What, the Admiral left "piles of crud" in the fuel tank!     Just messing with you Bill  ;)
   Dan, that was a  smart way to clean it up.  My previous owner was adamant about fuel cleanliness and admonished me to keep the main tank as full as possible.  He provided a "baja filter"  and reported that he ran all the fuel in the tank through it.  He filled jerry-cans when he need to refuel and then loaded them through the baja to the tank.  Maybe tedious overkill but he says he never had a fuel issue after 16 years and two circumnavigations. 

With my small boat, in the US, I was caviler with fuel filling as the tank was only 10 gallons and was refilled frequently....but I have lots of memories of fuel issues with the Catalina over the years...so maybe he is onto something.

              Regards,   John

John Clark
Vent de Soleil  SM 037
Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fuel tank clean-up

eric freedman
 

Hi Dan,

I used neoprene to make new gaskets and purchased a punch to make the holes. These were from Mc Master Carr in the USA. They have a website and ship internationally.

It was recommended by Permatex to use a sealant made by Permatex / Locktite., it is grey in color . It is used to seal transmission cases on racing motorcycles. Permatex recommended this as racing motorcycles take the transmissions apart frequently to change gears and is easy to use and is fuel resistant.

 

I also use a product called Howes Meaner Power cleaner fuel treatment. It is use in fuel depots and in diesel trucks. It Is guaranteed to increase fuel economy by 5%, reduce black smoke , and dissolve water in the fuel and kill biologicals in the fuel. I can attest that with over 5500 miles on my engine the tank is clean as a whistle.

Unlike most biocides which kill the bacteria and deposit it on the bottom of the tank. Howes dissolves it into the fuel. I always use a 2 micron racor filter and it lasts forever with the Howes fuel treatment.

 

Behind  the fuel shutoff on the bottom of the tank, and inside the tank is a filter screen. Next time your fuel is low, pump out the tank and remove the valve and check the filter. On kimberlite some of the sealant that Amel used on my inspection ports got into the filter and intermittently stopped the engine. To remove the valve you need a very thin 16 or 17 mm wrench ( we used to call it a tappet wrench) to disassemble the valve.

 

 

To clean my tank I uses a long length of soft copper pipe hooked up to a pump and a racor filter. It is important to put the filter ahead of the pump otherwise the pump will macerate the bacteria buildup. With this pipe I was able to bend the end and get into the baffles and up high in the back of the tank.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fuel tank clean-up

 

 

When we closed on BeBe, Bill and I changed all of the fuel filters, as the routine maintenance was due, and everything looked good.  I also opened the fuel tank inspection ports and inspected the inside of the tank.  It appeared very clean, but in each of the four compartments there was a small patch of crud on the bottom (approx 4 square inches). Booking a fuel tank cleaning and polishing service felt like over-kill for this.  So here is what I did:

1) I purchsed approx 6 feet of fuel hose that fit on the end of the largest hose of a 1 gallon fluid extractor (approx 1/4 in ID).  

2) I fastened the fuel hose to the Amel fuel tank dipstick using 5 -6  small zip ties and the convenient holes in the dipstick.  

3) this allowed me to direct to end of the fuel hose into the center of the patch of crud and suck it up into fliud extractor.  

4) repeat in each compartment. 

 

I ended up sucking out about 4 gallons of fuel to remove the crud and was pleased with the results.  The marina I was at took our used oil as well as the dirty diesel fuel.

 

- I would not try this for a large accumulation of crud.  

- Be careful not to stir the crud into suspension.

- monitor your racor closely after to make sure you did not stir anything up and load up your Racor (I did not see anything).  

- if you need to replace your gaskets on the inspection covers make sure you research the right product.  

 

I can send you photo's if you send me an email. I will also try to post them to this site when I have a chance.  But hopefully the explanation was adequate.

 

Dan Carlson

Sv BeBe, SM 387

 

 

 


Fuel tank clean-up

Dan Carlson
 

When we closed on BeBe, Bill and I changed all of the fuel filters, as the routine maintenance was due, and everything looked good.  I also opened the fuel tank inspection ports and inspected the inside of the tank.  It appeared very clean, but in each of the four compartments there was a small patch of crud on the bottom (approx 4 square inches). Booking a fuel tank cleaning and polishing service felt like over-kill for this.  So here is what I did:
1) I purchsed approx 6 feet of fuel hose that fit on the end of the largest hose of a 1 gallon fluid extractor (approx 1/4 in ID).  
2) I fastened the fuel hose to the Amel fuel tank dipstick using 5 -6  small zip ties and the convenient holes in the dipstick.  
3) this allowed me to direct to end of the fuel hose into the center of the patch of crud and suck it up into fliud extractor.  
4) repeat in each compartment. 

I ended up sucking out about 4 gallons of fuel to remove the crud and was pleased with the results.  The marina I was at took our used oil as well as the dirty diesel fuel.

- I would not try this for a large accumulation of crud.  
- Be careful not to stir the crud into suspension.
- monitor your racor closely after to make sure you did not stir anything up and load up your Racor (I did not see anything).  
- if you need to replace your gaskets on the inspection covers make sure you research the right product.  

I can send you photo's if you send me an email. I will also try to post them to this site when I have a chance.  But hopefully the explanation was adequate.

Dan Carlson
Sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

eric freedman
 

Hi Olivier,

Sorry, I arrive March 3  at 3 Pm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

yes, March 2nd at 5:00 pm.

 

When will you be there?

 

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:34 AM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Olivier,

Are you still leaving St Maarten on the 2nd of March?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

Hello everybody, especially the happy SM owners and their tricky and nicely wired nav station!!

 

You all have three power supplies, located under the nav station, most of them SAILOR, that turn 24V into 12V, for a maximum output of 6 Amps (if you draw more, you blow the fuse inside the box).

One of them is labelled PERMANENT.

This power supply only feeds the auto-radio with 12V. It is permanently wired to the 24V battery set, without going through the main breakers.

Why is that? In order that the memory of the auto-radio is permanently fed and doesn't lose its preset stations.

BUT, you have all noticed that, when you turn off the breaker (NAVIGATION or INSTRUMENTS) in the hanging locker, you cannot turn on the radio. So you might think the radio is NOT permanently fed.

Indeed it is not.

How does AMEL do that?

There are two wires that feed the auto-radio, one feeds directly the memory system from the SAILOR power supply, one feeds the auto-radio through a relay that is activated only when you get power through the INSTRUMENTS breaker.

If you pay careful attention, when you turn on the INSTRUMENTS breaker, you can hear a CLICK noise coming from the back of the nav station, that's the famous relays that allow 12V power to go to the auto-radio. This relay is activated with 24V.

There are two relays one for the 12V positive, one for the 12V negative.

 

This system is more complicate than on a car because you need to turn 24V into 12V and you don't get negative through the body of the car but with a wire.

 

If you look at the back of the main breakers, in the passageway, you will find two small wires connected to the 24V positive and negative inputs of these breakers. These wires feed the PERMANENT SAILOR power supply. You will find connectors on these wires that allow you to disconnect the power supply.

In later SMs and the 54s a switch has been installed on the PERMANENT power supply green box, (or behind the wooden board on starboard side of the nav station in the 54) in order you can easily turn it off. Why? this is for those who leave their boat unattended for a while, without a charge possibility (highly recommended) and who don't want the PERMANENT power supply to empty their batteries (which happens within 3 months).

 

There is a second item which is permanently connected to the 24V batteries and cannot be turned off:

The battery monitor. But this one is permanently drawing less than the SAILOR power supply.

 

Take your torch lights and chase for the relays and their wirings.

 

Olivier from sunny Saint-Martin.

 

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:26 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I think Admiral Rouse is on to something as one of the Super Maramus I owned had these relays and the other one didn’t. Amel always wanted me to have a TV on board my boats which we also used to give sail trials, showings and at boat shows. They wanted the ‘just like home’ ambience to be pervasive. We had a running gunfight over the TV and VCR install as I was adamant that watching TV was absolutely the last thing I would be doing on any sailboat I owned. They got back at me by installing it in one of my boats anyway, and not charging me for it! On my 54, they wanted me to have TWO TV’s, aft cabin and saloon. I refused again, and they installed the one in the saloon anyway with no charge on the invoice but a like sum increase on other options that covered the cost. I didn’t figure it out until years later.

Pretty sure the relays are TV related.

Hey Olivier! Help us out on this one, please.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

It appears that the relays are installed by Amel Do you have an Amel installed TV and possibly VCR? I am ONLY GUESSING that the relays have something to do with that. Sorry, without being there and doing some tracing with a voltmeter, I can't offer anything else. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 25, 2017 07:15, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Here is a pic behind the nav station. There are two 24 volt relays in the middle that are tripped by the "instrument" breaker in the closet. On our boat, the three Sailors are:

 

1. Permanent, always on, I do not see how to turn it off

2. VHF only

3. Instruments, FM radio, cigar lighter, etc. 

 

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Eric,

yes, March 2nd at 5:00 pm.

When will you be there?


On Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:34 AM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,
Are you still leaving St Maarten on the 2nd of March?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics
 
 
Hello everybody, especially the happy SM owners and their tricky and nicely wired nav station!!
 
You all have three power supplies, located under the nav station, most of them SAILOR, that turn 24V into 12V, for a maximum output of 6 Amps (if you draw more, you blow the fuse inside the box).
One of them is labelled PERMANENT.
This power supply only feeds the auto-radio with 12V. It is permanently wired to the 24V battery set, without going through the main breakers.
Why is that? In order that the memory of the auto-radio is permanently fed and doesn't lose its preset stations.
BUT, you have all noticed that, when you turn off the breaker (NAVIGATION or INSTRUMENTS) in the hanging locker, you cannot turn on the radio. So you might think the radio is NOT permanently fed.
Indeed it is not.
How does AMEL do that?
There are two wires that feed the auto-radio, one feeds directly the memory system from the SAILOR power supply, one feeds the auto-radio through a relay that is activated only when you get power through the INSTRUMENTS breaker.
If you pay careful attention, when you turn on the INSTRUMENTS breaker, you can hear a CLICK noise coming from the back of the nav station, that's the famous relays that allow 12V power to go to the auto-radio. This relay is activated with 24V.
There are two relays one for the 12V positive, one for the 12V negative.
 
This system is more complicate than on a car because you need to turn 24V into 12V and you don't get negative through the body of the car but with a wire.
 
If you look at the back of the main breakers, in the passageway, you will find two small wires connected to the 24V positive and negative inputs of these breakers. These wires feed the PERMANENT SAILOR power supply. You will find connectors on these wires that allow you to disconnect the power supply.
In later SMs and the 54s a switch has been installed on the PERMANENT power supply green box, (or behind the wooden board on starboard side of the nav station in the 54) in order you can easily turn it off. Why? this is for those who leave their boat unattended for a while, without a charge possibility (highly recommended) and who don't want the PERMANENT power supply to empty their batteries (which happens within 3 months).
 
There is a second item which is permanently connected to the 24V batteries and cannot be turned off:
The battery monitor. But this one is permanently drawing less than the SAILOR power supply.
 
Take your torch lights and chase for the relays and their wirings.
 
Olivier from sunny Saint-Martin.
 
On Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:26 PM, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
I think Admiral Rouse is on to something as one of the Super Maramus I owned had these relays and the other one didn’t. Amel always wanted me to have a TV on board my boats which we also used to give sail trials, showings and at boat shows. They wanted the ‘just like home’ ambience to be pervasive. We had a running gunfight over the TV and VCR install as I was adamant that watching TV was absolutely the last thing I would be doing on any sailboat I owned. They got back at me by installing it in one of my boats anyway, and not charging me for it! On my 54, they wanted me to have TWO TV’s, aft cabin and saloon. I refused again, and they installed the one in the saloon anyway with no charge on the invoice but a like sum increase on other options that covered the cost. I didn’t figure it out until years later.
Pretty sure the relays are TV related.
Hey Olivier! Help us out on this one, please.
 
All The Best, Joel
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics
 
 
It appears that the relays are installed by Amel Do you have an Amel installed TV and possibly VCR? I am ONLY GUESSING that the relays have something to do with that. Sorry, without being there and doing some tracing with a voltmeter, I can't offer anything else. 
CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970
 
On Feb 25, 2017 07:15, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Here is a pic behind the nav station. There are two 24 volt relays in the middle that are tripped by the "instrument" breaker in the closet. On our boat, the three Sailors are:
 
1. Permanent, always on, I do not see how to turn it off
2. VHF only
3. Instruments, FM radio, cigar lighter, etc. 
 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
St Augustine, Florida