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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Guadeloupe Marinas?

Dan Carlson
 


Thanks for all of the reccommendations Eric, Ben and Bill.   Sounds like Bas du Fort in Pointe Pitre, and I like Bills recco of the ferry back from Ile de Saints at the end of the trip.

Thanks all,  Dan 






On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 5:11 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Dan,

If you must go to Guadalupe, Pointe a Pitre Marina at Bas du Fort is your place.

However, there is a reason that Amel moved to Martinique. You will find Martinique very safe and secure as compared to Guadalupe. Although Marina du Marin isn't the best marina in the Caribbean, it offers more value than most. If you are going to stay 10 days or longer, you will find the Marina du Marin's monthly rate cheaper than any other option. Last year it was about 580 euros including electricity (reserve by email to qualify for the monthly rate). Of course, there is the great anchorage of St. Anne outside the marina area.

If you have some flexibility, consider either Martinique, or the possibility of mooring the boat on a mooring at Ile de Saints and your guests taking one of the many ferris from Guadalupe to Ile de Saints.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:24 AM, 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all, we have friends coming to visit us in Guadelouope later in April and are looking for recommendations for good marinas and other good things to do with guests there.


Please send any reccos to carlsdan61 at gmail dot com.

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson
sv BeBe, SM 387



Re: Alternative for not working Sonic Speed sensors

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Willem,

I have the same issue.
I'm going to buy an Airmar Model: CS4500-610 Ultrasonic Sensor and put it in the depth sounder hole and then buy an Airmar P79 in-hull depth sensor for the depth...that way no extra holes in the boat and hopefully a reliable system.
This not my original idea...it came from Bill Kinney..

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 


Alternative for not working Sonic Speed sensors

Willem Kroes
 

Hi,


I am quite new to this group, but owned from 2002 to 2010 a Santorin sloop (#69). Now I am on my way buying a SM 2K from 2001. Also on this SM (I have seen already quite a few with the same problem) the Sonic Speed sensors are not functioning.

Which options do I have? 

1. Buying a new sensor with paddle wheel that works with the Hydra 2000 system? Which brand and model do I need?

2. Buying a new sensor without moving parts. Which brand and model working with the Hydra 2000 system is recommended?

Willem J. Kroes



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

karkauai
 

Thanks, Bill!
Kent


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent, 

Our Crew List has information on it that we would not want to publicly share, but I will modify it and place it in the files section.

Bill

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Please, Bill, post it in the files section.  What a great idea!

Kent
Kristy SM243



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin Bonding System

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hi Liz,

We mat in St. John before we sold our SM, BeBe.

I assume that you are saying that there is no bonding connection to the rudder post and quadrant. Is this correct?

Is the boat out of the water?

Answer the above and I will get back to you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Galveston Island
Sent using Google Fi

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:44 AM, lisallt2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Afternoon,


I recently acquired an Amel Santorin and, while an electrician was on board checking an electrical leak, noticed that there appears to be a failure in the bonding system.  The steering system does appear to be protected, however the readings on the engine, drive, and through-hulls indicate that they are not protected.  


Does anyone have a diagram or can someone offer a description of how the bonding system is connected throughout the boat?  Is the engine bonding a separate system from the steering/rudder? I tried following the wiring back, but could not track beyond the aft cabin.


Many thanks,


Lisa Tharpe
S/V Azimuth
Hull #143




Re: Santorin Bonding System

Ian Park
 

Lisa
Was the electrician aware that the Santorin has a floating negative? Amel is one of the few brands that does not have the battery negative connected to the engine. I'm not on my boat now, but I think there is a green and yellow grounding wire coming of the top of the C Drive.

The through hulls should be grounded. Did he check the keel and/ or the copper strap going down into the bilge? This can rot through down at the bottom of the bilge and be unseen. It fastens onto a keel bolt in order to keep the keel grounded.

The Santorin is a great boat. Have fun!

Ian. Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Stephen Davis
 

Sail Clear works at least part time in the countries listed on the site. It really depends on whether or not the computer system is up and running that day. I successfully used the system at St Lucia in December 2016. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Sint Maarten 

On Mar 8, 2017, at 09:40, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We found Noonsite to be good place to start our research.  It is comprehensive and you will find an answer. 


Unfortunately, while it might be "best available", the information on Noonsite can be quite out of date, and is very infrequently updated.  For example, they have the check-in requirements for Puerto Rico quite wrong.  Not disastrously so, but obviously several years behind the real world and not in accordance with current regulations.  Just look at the dates for the posted comments.  There is very little website traffic on Noonsite these days. Official vetted and edited updates of the detailed pages come very infrequently. The PR clearance  information was last updated in 2014, despite well publicized changes to small boat clearance procedures in the meantime. In my opinion, Noonsite is "coasting" on name and reputation, and is getting less useful by the year.

Unfortunately, there is no source I have found to have an update cycle fast enough to recommend as really uniformly  authoritative. Even the e-book cruising guides that claim to have annual updates we have found to be years behind changes on the ground.

We always check as many sources as possible for information, usually, but not always, finding the website for the national government involved to be the most useful with current requirements, if not always the clearest explanations!  Who does the US Customs and Border Patrol get to write the text on their website?  I think they farm it out to the same people who wrote the manual for that last electronic gadget I bought from China...

I see so much information posted on web forums and such that is just plain wrong, or at least presenting a highly exceptional case as a generality, that postings of unknown provenance I tend to deeply discount.

We have found SailClear to be a good idea, that isn't actually used by the local officials.  Are there any countries that people have found it to actually be used as advertised?

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
La Perguera, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gelcoat repair in St Martin

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

karkauai
 

Please, Bill, post it in the files section.  What a great idea!

Kent
Kristy SM243


Santorin Bonding System

Azimuth
 

Good Afternoon,


I recently acquired an Amel Santorin and, while an electrician was on board checking an electrical leak, noticed that there appears to be a failure in the bonding system.  The steering system does appear to be protected, however the readings on the engine, drive, and through-hulls indicate that they are not protected.  


Does anyone have a diagram or can someone offer a description of how the bonding system is connected throughout the boat?  Is the engine bonding a separate system from the steering/rudder? I tried following the wiring back, but could not track beyond the aft cabin.


Many thanks,


Lisa Tharpe
S/V Azimuth
Hull #143



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

greatketch@...
 

We found Noonsite to be good place to start our research.  It is comprehensive and you will find an answer. 

Unfortunately, while it might be "best available", the information on Noonsite can be quite out of date, and is very infrequently updated.  For example, they have the check-in requirements for Puerto Rico quite wrong.  Not disastrously so, but obviously several years behind the real world and not in accordance with current regulations.  Just look at the dates for the posted comments.  There is very little website traffic on Noonsite these days. Official vetted and edited updates of the detailed pages come very infrequently. The PR clearance  information was last updated in 2014, despite well publicized changes to small boat clearance procedures in the meantime. In my opinion, Noonsite is "coasting" on name and reputation, and is getting less useful by the year.

Unfortunately, there is no source I have found to have an update cycle fast enough to recommend as really uniformly  authoritative. Even the e-book cruising guides that claim to have annual updates we have found to be years behind changes on the ground.

We always check as many sources as possible for information, usually, but not always, finding the website for the national government involved to be the most useful with current requirements, if not always the clearest explanations!  Who does the US Customs and Border Patrol get to write the text on their website?  I think they farm it out to the same people who wrote the manual for that last electronic gadget I bought from China...

I see so much information posted on web forums and such that is just plain wrong, or at least presenting a highly exceptional case as a generality, that postings of unknown provenance I tend to deeply discount.

We have found SailClear to be a good idea, that isn't actually used by the local officials.  Are there any countries that people have found it to actually be used as advertised?

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
La Perguera, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Mark,

As a whole, the eastern Caribbean is fairly easy and inexpensive for customs immigration.  When you compare it to Mexico and spots in Central America, it is a piece of cake. 

We are registered with both sail clear and eseaclear (Antigua), and we're able to register online in a few minutes with immediate access to the system. If you choose not to register, no harm and no foul, they just throw you the same form in the office to fill out. Also, using sail clear, 2 out of 3 times the computer system in customs was down, and had to fill out forms anyway. Eseaclear in Antigua has worked well both times I've used it. One nice thing about the systems is that once registered, when you pull up the page, it is already populated with most of your boat and passport info. 

You will find all the French islands to be by far the easiest. Depending on where you clear, some local merchant will have a computer in the store with a simple 1 page form to fill. Five minutes later you will pay from 0 to max of 4 euros, and be walking out the door. Did I mention how good the croissants are in the French islands?

Hope to see you guys down this way soon. 

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72
Sint Maarten

On Mar 8, 2017, at 07:46, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Mark

When I left San Juan, Puerto Rico, for Tortola, BVI, I went to SailClear (registered, etc.) but emigration/customs never replied…
I actually just logged in and I am still “pending” (since October 30)…

May be others have a better experience…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Wed, 3/8/17, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 7:27 AM


 

















Does anyone have
recommendations for on-line tools such as
SailClear for the check-in procedures in the Caribbean? Do
they help? Any suggestions
on what to use, speed the process and make it easier?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream
Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising –
Black Point – Exuma Islands,
Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Bill. The Crew List is a good idea. I’ll look forward to seeing yours and will most likely plagiarize.

 

We cannot do SVRS since I am British, Cindy is American and Cream Puff is BVI.

 

I do use noonsite but find it is lacking in details for vessels other than USA or American travelers. Most often we check with the “official” government C&I site to get the info we need.

 

I thought SailClear sounded too good to be true. And, there is also the concern of website security etc.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising - Black Point – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

 

 

Mark,

 

"The Caribbean" is a combination of about 15 independent countries, each with different rules. 

 

You should register with US SVRS, if you haven't. SVRS allows US citizens clear electronically. SailClear is helpful, but you still have to physically report to officials. SailClear will help you prepare documents. 

 

As you know, noonsite.com is the best information available. 

 

The best tool we used to clear into 58 countries was a 1 page Crew List, which we printed on arrival. It included a photo of the boat and about 12 specifications including measurements, engine hp, dinghy info, etc. Also, included was a photo of the photo-page of our passports and all of the identifying information. This crew list accomplished two things: it communicates that you are professional, and it makes the official's job easy. When we checked into a country that needed another piece of information, we added it to our Crew List form. In more than half of the countries, the officials used our Crew List as the official clearance document and we did not have to fill out any form. But, even if you have to fill out their form, the Crew List makes it easy. 

 

I can email it to you. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Galveston Island
Sent using Google Fi
+1(832) 380-4970

   

 

 

On Mar 8, 2017 07:34, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have recommendations for on-line tools such as SailClear for the check-in procedures in the Caribbean? Do they help? Any suggestions on what to use, speed the process and make it easier?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Black Point – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

"The Caribbean" is a combination of about 15 independent countries, each with different rules. 

You should register with US SVRS, if you haven't. SVRS allows US citizens clear electronically. SailClear is helpful, but you still have to physically report to officials. SailClear will help you prepare documents. 

As you know, noonsite.com is the best information available. 

The best tool we used to clear into 58 countries was a 1 page Crew List, which we printed on arrival. It included a photo of the boat and about 12 specifications including measurements, engine hp, dinghy info, etc. Also, included was a photo of the photo-page of our passports and all of the identifying information. This crew list accomplished two things: it communicates that you are professional, and it makes the official's job easy. When we checked into a country that needed another piece of information, we added it to our Crew List form. In more than half of the countries, the officials used our Crew List as the official clearance document and we did not have to fill out any form. But, even if you have to fill out their form, the Crew List makes it easy. 

I can email it to you. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Galveston Island
Sent using Google Fi
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Mar 8, 2017 07:34, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have recommendations for on-line tools such as SailClear for the check-in procedures in the Caribbean? Do they help? Any suggestions on what to use, speed the process and make it easier?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Black Point – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark

When I left San Juan, Puerto Rico, for Tortola, BVI, I went to SailClear (registered, etc.) but emigration/customs never replied…
I actually just logged in and I am still “pending” (since October 30)…

May be others have a better experience…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Wed, 3/8/17, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean Customs and Immigration
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 7:27 AM


 

















Does anyone have
recommendations for on-line tools such as
SailClear for the check-in procedures in the Caribbean? Do
they help? Any suggestions
on what to use, speed the process and make it easier?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream
Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising –
Black Point – Exuma Islands,
Bahamas

www.creampuff.us


Caribbean Customs and Immigration

Mark Erdos
 

Does anyone have recommendations for on-line tools such as SailClear for the check-in procedures in the Caribbean? Do they help? Any suggestions on what to use, speed the process and make it easier?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Black Point – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] fresh water hose join to pipe

James Alton
 

Bill,

   I had a good laugh a couple times today thinking of your sledgehammer and plexiglass window removal!  You ask an interesting question about whether it makes sense to use caulking that can end up lasting longer than the plexiglass.   With some sharp reefing tools and sharped putty knives it is possible to cut through the 3145 but it is not much fun.  

  I use the C-sink method with caulk as well and agree that is a good idea.  I hadn’t thought about the not turning the bolt when using butyl and will keep that in mind.  Thanks for all of the butyl tips,  I will start using some and see how it goes.

James Alton
SV  Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Mar 7, 2017, at 12:54 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


With butyl you can clean the edges... but it is still sticky (and will always be) and debris just sticks again.  So for a place with a thick, exposed seam, it might not be best choice.  

There are some little tips and tricks that aren't really unique to bedding butyl, but seem to help.  Where bolts go through a deck, put a little countersink around the bolt hole to give the butyl someplace to flow into and seal more of the bolt's length.  When tightening bolts, try as much as possible to turn the nut, NOT the bolt, to keep from spinning the butyl around. If two parts have a really tight fit, I have put washers between them as spacers to make sure that I don't squeeze out too much of the butyl.

I replaced a large plexiglass window in an old S2 sailboat that was installed with 3145 that didn't leak but was crazed to opaque.  The manufacturer's recommended method for removal of the old window:  Sledgehammer. It worked :)

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
La Parguera, Puerto Rico.


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,
   
  Thanks for your input on the butyl tape.  I always wondered if it were safe to use on/under plexiglass so good to know.    Can you clean up the dirt that attaches with a solvent?  I am going to start using the butyl tape as a bedding material and see how I like it.  

  I thought that I would mention a caulki ng that has worked well for me in bedding large plexiglass windows with a lot of movement.  It is the Dow Corning 3145, which is a non corrosive (actually primarily used for electrical work), very elastic and strong  silicone caulking.  If you sand the edge of the plexiglass and apply the plastic primer recommended by Dow(I can get the part # on the primer if anyone needs it) to the bonding surfaces, the adhesion is amazing.  I used this initially on a customers boat that had a lot of flex in the cabin trunk and huge windows that tore the regular marine silicone caulkings apart in 2-3 years with regularity.  The  3145  generally lasted 7-8 years which saved a lot of labour.   It only comes in clear and gray unfortunately and the gray is what you want for long UV exposure.  One downside is that the stuff can take a lot of heat so using a heat gun to warm a fitting for removal is not very effective.  A sharpened putty knife see ms to be the best way to go.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy