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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Amel 54 Information

amelforme
 

Hello Dean and your list of items for the Amel 54 COMFORT PLUS PACKAGE is essentially correct.

 

The standard generator was a three cylinder Onan 7 KW. The upgraded generator was a four cylinder Onan 9.5 KW during early production and an 11 KW from about middle production to the end. The 24 volt alternator was at first a 175 amp unit that would produce maybe 100  amps when hot. The later boats had a 110 amp alternator. The dual Racor 500 filters, on an easily switched manifold, also had a vacuum gauge to forewarn of filter contamination. The  Comfort Plus Package 30 amp charger was optimized to keep the batteries happy when at a dock on continuous 220 volt power. The standard 100 amp charger was optimized to charge the batteries efficiently when using the Onan Generator. The high pressure freshwater pump supplied more volume and pressure making it more useful for washing the exterior.

 

As you may have noticed, I am also a yacht broker and was Amel’s sole associate for North America for 35 years. I owned, personally, three Amels including two 53’ Super Maramus and one Amel 54. I was also Amel’s technical liaison for North America during this time and enjoyed receiving extensive technical training every year during my many visits to the shipyard in La Rochelle. I know these boats extremely well.

 

If you are not a citizen of the European Community, I could make a pretty good argument for also considering purchasing an Amel boat in North America. If you are on an E.U. passport, I recommend that you form a relationship with Michel Charpentier who is both knowledgeable regarding Amel’s and an honest and ethical gentleman.

 

Good luck with your shopping and I would be pleased to have an opportunity to be of further service. If this is of any interest to you, please communicate by using my personal email below as we like to keep this site ‘noncommercial’ . I’m pushing the limits!

 

All The Best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

Jfpottercys’at’att.net

 

   

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Amel 54 Information

 

 

Hi all,

We are looking into the possible purchase of an Amel 54, preferably 2008-2010 model located in the Med.

As I look at the various boats available the option of a "Comfort Pack" or a "Comfort Plus Pack" are sometimes noted. Do these options contain different things, or are they one and the same with different terminology? 

 

I cannot find anything definitive from Amel, but heresay would seem to indicate that a "Comfort Plus Pack" contains the following:

 

            - 4 additional batteries (giving a total of 13 batteries, 630 Ah @ 24 V), 

            - 220V/24V @ 30A charger, 

            - a dual Racor fuel filter with vacuum gauge,

            - a high pressure freshwater pump with cockpit hose, 

            - 24V/110A  alternator on the motor,

            - an "upgraded" diesel generator (whatever that means)

 

Is a "Comfort Pack" something less than this?

I would really appreciate if someone could confirm or correct this information.

 

My current boat is a Beneteau 423 which has a fantastic owners forum on Yahoo Groups, so I was delighted to discover this Amel forum is also so active.

 

Thanks in anticipation.

Dean



AMEL 54 #TBD

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Fuses

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hanspeter and Ian,

Memory sometimes fails with age. 😉

The secretary's name is Rosyne Castino wanadoo.fr>, and yes, she speaks English for all of us non-French speaking people.

I am fairly sure about this.

Best, 

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:29 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Ian
Like everybody on this Amel Forum we will help and support you. Thats the thing with this forum. My recom: call Dessaltor you have all the coordinates on the web site; they will help you, you can even call them with Whatsapp call. The super tecnician can solve your problem and speaks (all of this little team) good english. The Secretary, i miss her name, is brilliant in customer service!
Greetings
Hanspeter
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 16:44 schrieb francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

Our D50 stopped working after 45'. Sanded the solenoid terminals. Serviced the brushes. Knocked solenoid and motor with hammer. 24V is at the motor but not solenoid. I figure broken solenoid or a blown fuse. Can't find the fuses though. Anyone help me find where they are?


Ian Townsend

SM153

Loca Lola II

George Town, Exuma



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Amel 54 Information

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dean,

Ask Joel Potter att.net>

He will have exact answers for you.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:32 PM, dean@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

We are looking into the possible purchase of an Amel 54, preferably 2008-2010 model located in the Med.

As I look at the various boats available the option of a "Comfort Pack" or a "Comfort Plus Pack" are sometimes noted. Do these options contain different things, or are they one and the same with different terminology? 


I cannot find anything definitive from Amel, but heresay would seem to indicate that a "Comfort Plus Pack" contains the following:


- 4 additional batteries (giving a total of 13 batteries, 630 Ah @ 24 V), 

- 220V/24V @ 30A charger, 

- a dual Racor fuel filter with vacuum gauge,

- a high pressure freshwater pump with cockpit hose, 

- 24V/110A  alternator on the motor,

  - an "upgraded" diesel generator (whatever that means)


Is a "Comfort Pack" something less than this?

I would really appreciate if someone could confirm or correct this information.


My current boat is a Beneteau 423 which has a fantastic owners forum on Yahoo Groups, so I was delighted to discover this Amel forum is also so active.


Thanks in anticipation.

Dean


< /p>

AMEL 54 #TBD

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: Membranes and O rings

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

This is what Garly Silver said on 21 Jun 2006:

O-RINGS FOR DESSALATOR MEMBRANE ASSEMBLY:

The O-rings for the Dessalator membrane assembly  on my Super Maramu 2000 Hull # 335 are as follows: 

Interconnect Bobbin O-Rings :      9.0 by 1.5 mm N70

Membrane Nipple O-Rings:         19.0 by 2.5 mm N70

End Cap O-Rings:                          53.0 by  3.5 mm N70

N70 = Nitrile (Buna) 0-rings.

Cost for 10 of each was $6.30 USD

I purchased my 0-rings from a local vendor here in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA,  called Hydra Pak 1-801-973-7325.

Any local supplier of O-rings should have these O-rings since they are common.

Gary Silver

s/v Liahona
Amel Super Maramu 2000   Hull # 335


On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:33 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Looks like it is time to change the membranes on Kimberlites watermaker are the SW30-2540

The correct Membranes?

Also are these the correct O ring sizes?



O-rings are nitrile rubber

 

9.0 by 1.5 mm N70

19.0 by 2.5 mm N70

53.0 X 3.5 mm N70

Fair Winds

Er ic

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

hanspeter baettig
 

Joel
Absolutely I agree
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 17.03.2017 um 01:58 schrieb Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello Hanspeter. I am curious where your 2/3  circumnavigation idea came from? When viewed in totality, Bill has generously provided more useable information to this group than the next two very worthy contributors combined. Let's hope that all the experienced and the slightly less than experienced members can always continue to add useful information to this site.

Yes, I am a cheer leader for the BeBe team. They deserve it.

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:57 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill 
Thats a new one , exellent, not ruined my sails, so I get the engine on. Yes, of course in the doldroms , I motored  the 200 sm to catch the tradwinds. Ok let it be.
You are and you still will be with your wife  a superbe dream team with a outstanding 2/3 circumnavigation, bravo, and pls don't stop writing your knowhow in this forum.
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM16
Licata, Sicily,It

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 21:40 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter,

Remember, I am the guy that is 100% Amel and I am also the guy that warns of change...My job is a hard job, but somebody has to do it.

400 hours/year comes from cruising 12 months a year, and actually going places around the world - without ruining sails which are just as expensive as an engine. Most of the people that I know with low engine hours have ruined sails and/or low annual miles. You are probably an exception.

Maybe one day, you will catch up with me. 🤔

Bill
X-BeBe



On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ho Bill
you are serious I knew
but
an average of 400 h engine per year for bluewater sailing; means about 2400 nautical miles with engine in a year, I never did that... ok, fair ,different people different things, 
and pls be not so hard with your opinions to all others, mainly new SM owners, not for us oldys even from the source of Amel.. technology changes quickly 
so Lithium batteries are a thema which we have to consider. Nothing to do with batterie chargers, alternator, electronic monitors etc. even the price will drop essentially in the forecoming years. 
It will be the future .
(I do not have any business relations or i'm not (yet) a shareholder of Tesla 😉)
Fair wind to all
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Licata, Sicily

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 18:19 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

Rick,

The other side of the lithium issue for an Amel built for cruising: 

We all need to take extreme care when considering changing the design of integrated systems by changing one component of the system.

The batteries are one component of a system which contains:
  • Batteries
  • Engine driven alternator and regulator
  • Generator or shore power driven battery chargers
  • Battery Monitoring devices
  • Possible shaft driven alternator and regulator
  • Possible Solar and/or wind with regulators
Yes, lithium is great and could be great in an Amel, albeit, not as available or safe as what we have. But, if lithium batteries are not integrated into the boat with correct chargers, regulators, alternators, MPPTs, etc., you could create a huge problem. And, if lithium is properly integrated into an Amel, how much does it cost to change everything? To get all of the advantages of a 660 amp 24VDC lithium house bank wouldn't you have to have 300 amps @ 24VDC chargers?

But, most Amel owners are cruisers. Amels have generators which will be run with regular frequency to power convenience items like clothes washers, watermaker, etc...a great time to charge and/or top-off your conventional batteries. The main engine is also run with frequency by cruisers on Amel yachts (averaging about 400 hours/year)...this also tops off the batteries. Some Amels have solar and/or wind charging systems which charge at a slow pace, but for hours...not what a lithium battery wants, but fine for what we have.

I own lithium batteries. They are in my tablet, phone, laptop, camera, etc. 

I would never recommend the extensive change in the boat's electrical system that lithium batteries would require.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe



On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:00 PM, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Late to the party here Thomas. I just came across a youtube video by Gone with the Wynns talking extensively about Lithium Iron batteries. Sounds very attractive, especially the shorter charging times, lighter  weight, consistent output, etc.etc .etc. Price is still high.


Here's a link to a solid company that appears to have excellent customer service and international support:


I'm still 4.5 years away, so I can't share direct experience. But here is a blog post with more info from the Wynns:


At the bottom of this post is a link to another very tech blog couple, technomadia, who are switching from RV to boat. They go into very great details about numbers (also their cell info as well as WiFi stuff is great).

Anyway - hope this helps and is relevant.

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez
Los Angeles, CA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

Agree. 
These are amazing threads!
Thanks everyone and especially Bill and Joel. 
Porter


On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:41 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Joel,


EXCELLENT !

I love hearing all these stories about how and why...always look forward to your posts...

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Membranes and O rings

Leopold Hauer
 

We have these membrane changes ahead of us. Are you going to describe the procedure as you always do so brillantly? 
Sorry  I am not sure about the O rings either.

Regards,
Leo
SM  69 Yin Yang

Am 17.03.2017 um 05:48 schrieb 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Looks like it is time to change the membranes on Kimberlites watermaker are the SW30-2540

The correct Membranes?

Also are these the correct O ring sizes?



O-rings are nitrile rubber

 

9.0 by 1.5 mm N70

19.0 by 2.5 mm N70

53.0 X 3.5 mm N70

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





Test

Eric Freedman
 

 


Re: Membranes and O rings

Eric Freedman
 

Looks like it is time to change the membranes on Kimberlites watermaker are the SW30-2540

The correct Membranes?

Also are these the correct O ring sizes?



O-rings are nitrile rubber

 

9.0 by 1.5 mm N70

19.0 by 2.5 mm N70

53.0 X 3.5 mm N70

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Here, Here!!

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Sailing Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com


Membranes and O rings

Eric Freedman
 

Looks like it is time to change the membranes on Kimberlites watermaker are the SW30-2540

The correct Membranes?

Also are these the correct O ring sizes?



O-rings are nitrile rubber

 

9.0 by 1.5 mm N70

19.0 by 2.5 mm N70

53.0 X 3.5 mm N70

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

Alan Leslie
 

Joel,

EXCELLENT !

I love hearing all these stories about how and why...always look forward to your posts...

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Looking for Amel 54 Information

dean@...
 

Hi all,

We are looking into the possible purchase of an Amel 54, preferably 2008-2010 model located in the Med.

As I look at the various boats available the option of a "Comfort Pack" or a "Comfort Plus Pack" are sometimes noted. Do these options contain different things, or are they one and the same with different terminology? 


I cannot find anything definitive from Amel, but heresay would seem to indicate that a "Comfort Plus Pack" contains the following:


- 4 additional batteries (giving a total of 13 batteries, 630 Ah @ 24 V), 

- 220V/24V @ 30A charger, 

- a dual Racor fuel filter with vacuum gauge,

- a high pressure freshwater pump with cockpit hose, 

- 24V/110A  alternator on the motor,

  - an "upgraded" diesel generator (whatever that means)


Is a "Comfort Pack" something less than this?

I would really appreciate if someone could confirm or correct this information.


My current boat is a Beneteau 423 which has a fantastic owners forum on Yahoo Groups, so I was delighted to discover this Amel forum is also so active.


Thanks in anticipation.

Dean


AMEL 54 #TBD

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

karkauai
 

Joel, your "seasoned" history lessons are greatly appreciated. With a little history, Amels make even more sense.
Keep 'em coming!
Kent

Kent
Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dessalator Fuses

karkauai
 

After a few months of sitting idle, my D60 watermaker wouldn't start.  I could hear a slight hum coming from the solenoid.  I tapped it a few times with a wrench and it started immediately.  It never gave me a minutes problem for another year or two.  I did buy a new solenoid and had to replace it a couple of years later.

As I recall, it was Craig (Sangaris) who suggested I try that.  Since then I've been in two other boats (not Amels) with similar stuck solenoids...I looked like I knew what I was doing for a change. Thanks again, Craig

Kent
Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

amelforme
 

Hello Everybody. Regarding lithium batteries, about half the people I have rubbed up against that have them absolutely love them unconditionally. The other half hate them contemptuously and are preparing to throw them overboard.  I couldn’t quantify a correlation between engineering and installation correctness and quality, but I suspect that might have a little something to do with the haters hating as hard as they do. I do believe the quality and anti-self combusting properties of lithium batteries will improve as time rolls on. If well integrated and thoughtfully installed, the advantages are very tempting but this guy is going to wait for others to blaze the trail. With their money…

 

A little history on the prop shaft alternator is appropriate here to add context . Every new Sharki, Maramu and Mango I sold had a prop shaft alternator. Every single one. Why? Because it made so much sense. These boats had a simple conventional shaft/stuffing box drive system and but one transmission that was self lubricating whichever way the shaft was turning. Sure, if something is turning, it is wearing out. Most Amel boats of that series did not have generators and usually only the Mangos had them fitted at the shipyard. They were, for the most part, D.C. boats.  The prop shaft alternator would run the Neco autopilot ( remember those beauties? I still see a drive motor from a Neco employing a more modern brain aboard an Amel every now and again ) and the fridge while passage.making under sail.

 

When the Super Maramu came out, at first the prop shaft alternator was not offered. However, most buyers of the Super Maramu came out of a previous series Amel boat and had become used to them. “ You have a perfectly good generator in your engine room” did little to change their minds and the option was once again available. Being as irascible and opinionated as I am, I was able to talk every one of the 70 or so Super Maramus I sold new to forgo the prop shaft alternator. Every single one. Why the change in optioning? The ideal of spinning three transmissions to make a bit of electricity just seemed unreasonable to me. I was probably wrong but a generator, ample solar cells and a wind generator for tradewind anchorages just fit better with my notions as most serious cruisers seem to spend about 70% of the time aboard tied up to something or with the hook down and 30% actually sailing somewhere. I think for most cruisers it actually 80/20, no?

 

I have had a lot of you email me privately saying how much you enjoy my wordy Amel history lessons, and a few that think I make this stuff up as I go on about it. Nope. I am a seasoned citizen. I was there for the magnificent evolution of the Amel Shipyard. I am glad to devote my energies strictly to brokerage boats these days as it affords me some more time to do as I please. It also provides the youngsters at Amel their turn to stand watch and have the wheel. I cheer them from the sidelines. Long live Amel.

 

John, was Dave Huffman able to discern if your boat got the replacement Amel  C-Drive Unit? All the SM 53’s up to hull number 39 had a “Mark One” C-Drive. They had challenges so Amel, being the good souls that they are,  years ago offered a replacement “Mark  Two” unit free of charge, including haul out and Blah Blah Blah incidental punishment/costs The statute of limitations has expired. Your boat probably is improved, most were. Believe it or not, we had a few hold outs who said, “ A-OK here, no worries”. Email me if you want to know how to check for this improvement, or I could respond in the group. Your choice.

 

OK, I’ll stop now.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

 

 

Hi All,
Bill Rouse is right to warn us about the interrelated nature of the systems on our yachts. My boat has AGM batteries and has had them through several replacement cycles over the last 16 years. She is an older SM which has a functioning shaft alternator that charges batteries while sailing, and works great. Additionally there is a belt driven alternator on the main engine...and two 220v powered battery chargers that need to be started in a sequence to play nice together. Previous owner left lots of instructions ...which were developed over the nearly two decades of ownership. The chargers are programed for AGMs and to talk to each other.
The cabling is set up and sized for maximum charge rate....if I changed to lithium batteries the chargers would require reprogramming...if they even have a lithium battery charge profile, the alternators would need new regulators that monitor charge state of batteries, the battery bank monitor would surly need to be replaced, and the cabling would need upsizing to take advantage of the high amp charge abilities of lithium batteries.

All that said if I had a blank slate and had to build from scratch...perhaps I would try lithium but not now when I would have to toss perfectly functional infrastructure.

By the way. The shaft alternator at 8kts carried the load of the full nav suit, two frig/freezers, radar, and an ice maker...yes I like my glacons. Does anyone know if allowing the propeller shaft to free spin causes appreciable wear to the c drive seals and bushings?

John Clark
SV Vent de Soleil SM 37
Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

amelforme
 

Hello Hanspeter. I am curious where your 2/3  circumnavigation idea came from? When viewed in totality, Bill has generously provided more useable information to this group than the next two very worthy contributors combined. Let's hope that all the experienced and the slightly less than experienced members can always continue to add useful information to this site.

Yes, I am a cheer leader for the BeBe team. They deserve it.

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:57 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill 
Thats a new one , exellent, not ruined my sails, so I get the engine on. Yes, of course in the doldroms , I motored  the 200 sm to catch the tradwinds. Ok let it be.
You are and you still will be with your wife  a superbe dream team with a outstanding 2/3 circumnavigation, bravo, and pls don't stop writing your knowhow in this forum.
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM16
Licata, Sicily,It

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 21:40 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter,

Remember, I am the guy that is 100% Amel and I am also the guy that warns of change...My job is a hard job, but somebody has to do it.

400 hours/year comes from cruising 12 months a year, and actually going places around the world - without ruining sails which are just as expensive as an engine. Most of the people that I know with low engine hours have ruined sails and/or low annual miles. You are probably an exception.

Maybe one day, you will catch up with me. 🤔

Bill
X-BeBe



On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ho Bill
you are serious I knew
but
an average of 400 h engine per year for bluewater sailing; means about 2400 nautical miles with engine in a year, I never did that... ok, fair ,different people different things, 
and pls be not so hard with your opinions to all others, mainly new SM owners, not for us oldys even from the source of Amel.. technology changes quickly 
so Lithium batteries are a thema which we have to consider. Nothing to do with batterie chargers, alternator, electronic monitors etc. even the price will drop essentially in the forecoming years. 
It will be the future .
(I do not have any business relations or i'm not (yet) a shareholder of Tesla 😉)
Fair wind to all
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Licata, Sicily

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 18:19 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

Rick,

The other side of the lithium issue for an Amel built for cruising: 

We all need to take extreme care when considering changing the design of integrated systems by changing one component of the system.

The batteries are one component of a system which contains:
  • Batteries
  • Engine driven alternator and regulator
  • Generator or shore power driven battery chargers
  • Battery Monitoring devices
  • Possible shaft driven alternator and regulator
  • Possible Solar and/or wind with regulators
Yes, lithium is great and could be great in an Amel, albeit, not as available or safe as what we have. But, if lithium batteries are not integrated into the boat with correct chargers, regulators, alternators, MPPTs, etc., you could create a huge problem. And, if lithium is properly integrated into an Amel, how much does it cost to change everything? To get all of the advantages of a 660 amp 24VDC lithium house bank wouldn't you have to have 300 amps @ 24VDC chargers?

But, most Amel owners are cruisers. Amels have generators which will be run with regular frequency to power convenience items like clothes washers, watermaker, etc...a great time to charge and/or top-off your conventional batteries. The main engine is also run with frequency by cruisers on Amel yachts (averaging about 400 hours/year)...this also tops off the batteries. Some Amels have solar and/or wind charging systems which charge at a slow pace, but for hours...not what a lithium battery wants, but fine for what we have.

I own lithium batteries. They are in my tablet, phone, laptop, camera, etc. 

I would never recommend the extensive change in the boat's electrical system that lithium batteries would require.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe



On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:00 PM, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Late to the party here Thomas. I just came across a youtube video by Gone with the Wynns talking extensively about Lithium Iron batteries. Sounds very attractive, especially the shorter charging times, lighter  weight, consistent output, etc.etc .etc. Price is still high.


Here's a link to a solid company that appears to have excellent customer service and international support:


I'm still 4.5 years away, so I can't share direct experience. But here is a blog post with more info from the Wynns:


At the bottom of this post is a link to another very tech blog couple, technomadia, who are switching from RV to boat. They go into very great details about numbers (also their cell info as well as WiFi stuff is great).

Anyway - hope this helps and is relevant.

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez
Los Angeles, CA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tiny lights on 24V panel

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Mark,
Looks like just the job
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

hanspeter baettig
 

Bill 
Thats a new one , exellent, not ruined my sails, so I get the engine on. Yes, of course in the doldroms , I motored  the 200 sm to catch the tradwinds. Ok let it be.
You are and you still will be with your wife  a superbe dream team with a outstanding 2/3 circumnavigation, bravo, and pls don't stop writing your knowhow in this forum.
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM16
Licata, Sicily,It

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.03.2017 um 21:40 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter,

Remember, I am the guy that is 100% Amel and I am also the guy that warns of change...My job is a hard job, but somebody has to do it.

400 hours/year comes from cruising 12 months a year, and actually going places around the world - without ruining sails which are just as expensive as an engine. Most of the people that I know with low engine hours have ruined sails and/or low annual miles. You are probably an exception.

Maybe one day, you will catch up with me. 🤔

Bill
X-BeBe



On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ho Bill
you are serious I knew
but
an average of 400 h engine per year for bluewater sailing; means about 2400 nautical miles with engine in a year, I never did that... ok, fair ,different people different things, 
and pls be not so hard with your opinions to all others, mainly new SM owners, not for us oldys even from the source of Amel.. technology changes quickly 
so Lithium batteries are a thema which we have to consider. Nothing to do with batterie chargers, alternator, electronic monitors etc. even the price will drop essentially in the forecoming years. 
It will be the future .
(I do not have any business relations or i'm not (yet) a shareholder of Tesla 😉)
Fair wind to all
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Licata, Sicily

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Am 16.03.2017 um 18:19 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

Rick,

The other side of the lithium issue for an Amel built for cruising: 

We all need to take extreme care when considering changing the design of integrated systems by changing one component of the system.

The batteries are one component of a system which contains:
  • Batteries
  • Engine driven alternator and regulator
  • Generator or shore power driven battery chargers
  • Battery Monitoring devices
  • Possible shaft driven alternator and regulator
  • Possible Solar and/or wind with regulators
Yes, lithium is great and could be great in an Amel, albeit, not as available or safe as what we have. But, if lithium batteries are not integrated into the boat with correct chargers, regulators, alternators, MPPTs, etc., you could create a huge problem. And, if lithium is properly integrated into an Amel, how much does it cost to change everything? To get all of the advantages of a 660 amp 24VDC lithium house bank wouldn't you have to have 300 amps @ 24VDC chargers?

But, most Amel owners are cruisers. Amels have generators which will be run with regular frequency to power convenience items like clothes washers, watermaker, etc...a great time to charge and/or top-off your conventional batteries. The main engine is also run with frequency by cruisers on Amel yachts (averaging about 400 hours/year)...this also tops off the batteries. Some Amels have solar and/or wind charging systems which charge at a slow pace, but for hours...not what a lithium battery wants, but fine for what we have.

I own lithium batteries. They are in my tablet, phone, laptop, camera, etc. 

I would never recommend the extensive change in the boat's electrical system that lithium batteries would require.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe



On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:00 PM, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Late to the party here Thomas. I just came across a youtube video by Gone with the Wynns talking extensively about Lithium Iron batteries. Sounds very attractive, especially the shorter charging times, lighter  weight, consistent output, etc.etc .etc. Price is still high.


Here's a link to a solid company that appears to have excellent customer service and international support:


I'm still 4.5 years away, so I can't share direct experience. But here is a blog post with more info from the Wynns:


At the bottom of this post is a link to another very tech blog couple, technomadia, who are switching from RV to boat. They go into very great details about numbers (also their cell info as well as WiFi stuff is great).

Anyway - hope this helps and is relevant.

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez
Los Angeles, CA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tiny lights on 24V panel

Mark Erdos
 

Alan,

 

This will work. They are almost a perfect replacement. You will need to put a little adhesive on the new light before inserting into the existing hole on the panel.

 

https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/0/23//LED%20Indicator%20Lights?Nominal_Voltage=24

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Mayaguana Island, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tiny lights on 24V panel

 

 

Hello group,

Does anyone have a source / part number / brand for the tiny lights on the SM 24V panel (used for the freezers, anchor lights, nav lights etc) ?  

Thanks for any advice

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437