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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Elector Chain Counter Sensor

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Gary,

I have the number of the sensor that I use to replace my burned out one . Unfortunately it is on Kimberlite in the Caribe and I am in NY.

If you don’t get the number by April 19. Please send me a note and I will send you the number.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Elector Chain Counter Sensor

 

 

Hi fellow Amel Owners:  

 

I have reviewed the most recent discussions about replacement of the inductive chain counter sensor on the SM windlass.   By the way per the manufacturers specification sheet the MTTF (mean time to failure) is 1076 YEARS,  I don't think so.  At any rate the last time I replaced mine was 8 years ago using the then available IB5076 sensor.  I am aware that the IB5076 originally used by Pochon is no longer in production.  It was a three wire, cable-lead, DC NPN (transistor type), 34 mm diameter by 72 mm length sensor who's output functor is "Normally Closed".    There are several alternatives available:

 

IB5072  which is identical to the original but it is a "Normally Open" output function.

AND

IB5124 which is identical to the original except it is a two wire unit that has terminals rather than a cable for connection (posing a bit of a sealing issue), is listed as "normally open/closed programable"  (whatever that means) and that Bill Rouse of BeBe indicates he has installed leaving the brown wire disconnected and it works.   

 

I suspect that the Pochon display just counts plus and minus pulses and it really doesn't matter if it is normally open or normally closed, but rather just each change in voltage will trigger the counter display.  

 

MY QUESTIONs:   

1.  Has anyone installed the IB5072 inductive sensor (three wire) and can report on if it functioned normally?  I need feedback specifically on the 5072  sensor.

2.  Does anyone have a schematic or wiring diagram for the original three wire hook up as installed by Pochon?   I am curious why they had three wires when it seems the brown wire isn't needed or is tied to the black wire (both being L+) per the Efector diagrams.  

 

As usual we are here trying to reverse engineer this system a bit. 

 

Gary S. Silver    s/v Liahona     Amel SM 2000  #335   Puerto Del Ray Marina, Puerto Rico


Elector Chain Counter Sensor

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi fellow Amel Owners:  


I have reviewed the most recent discussions about replacement of the inductive chain counter sensor on the SM windlass.   By the way per the manufacturers specification sheet the MTTF (mean time to failure) is 1076 YEARS,  I don't think so.  At any rate the last time I replaced mine was 8 years ago using the then available IB5076 sensor.  I am aware that the IB5076 originally used by Pochon is no longer in production.  It was a three wire, cable-lead, DC NPN (transistor type), 34 mm diameter by 72 mm length sensor who's output functor is "Normally Closed".    There are several alternatives available:


IB5072  which is identical to the original but it is a "Normally Open" output function.

AND

IB5124 which is identical to the original except it is a two wire unit that has terminals rather than a cable for connection (posing a bit of a sealing issue), is listed as "normally open/closed programable"  (whatever that means) and that Bill Rouse of BeBe indicates he has installed leaving the brown wire disconnected and it works.   


I suspect that the Pochon display just counts plus and minus pulses and it really doesn't matter if it is normally open or normally closed, but rather just each change in voltage will trigger the counter display.  


MY QUESTIONs:   

1.  Has anyone installed the IB5072 inductive sensor (three wire) and can report on if it functioned normally?  I need feedback specifically on the 5072  sensor.

2.  Does anyone have a schematic or wiring diagram for the original three wire hook up as installed by Pochon?   I am curious why they had three wires when it seems the brown wire isn't needed or is tied to the black wire (both being L+) per the Efector diagrams.  


As usual we are here trying to reverse engineer this system a bit. 


Gary S. Silver    s/v Liahona     Amel SM 2000  #335   Puerto Del Ray Marina, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brush size for Leroy Somer main sail furler motor

Hajo Hille
 

 
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. März 2017 um 16:37 Uhr
Von: "'Hajo Hille' amw08@... [amelyachtowners]"
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Aw: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brush size for Leroy Somer main sail furler motor
 

 

Hi Mark,
I just ordered the brushes for my Leroy Somers furling motor ( SM 150).
Maybe it´s the same size. I found a shop in Germany and bought four of them for 58,52 EUR.
The shop is:     J. Mack GmbH & Co. KG
                        Gießener Str. 49
                        D-35305 Grünberg
Contact:          info “at” mack-kohlebuersten.de
Phone:             0049 – ( 0) 6401 210 6090                Fax:     0049 – ( 0 ) 6401 4910
 
The size of the brushes I bought is 16 mm x 6 mm x 22 mm.
There is a website under www.mack-kohlebuersten.de where they offer all sizes of brushes.
 
Maybe I can order the brushes for you and bring it to Carloforte end of April.
But you have to send me an e-mail, soon, because ordering the brushes needs about 2 – 3 weeks.
 
Hope this helps, see you soon
 
Hajo
SM 150 Serafine
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. März 2017 um 17:27 Uhr
Von: "Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners]"
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brush size for Leroy Somer main sail furler motor
 

Hi all,

I have ordered some brushes for my main furler and outhaul motors by giving Maud the motor model numbers. However, she says she need to know the size of the brushes. Can someone help as I am far from my boat?

My Leroy Somer motor is type "MBT86 M". The boat is Super Maramu hull #419 built in October 2003.

Thanks.

Mark Pitt
SY Sabbatical III

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rain shield for galley port

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Ian

On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The Santorin galley port is the same size as the SM. It may be no use for you but perhaps someone else - I had a mould made for one in Trinidad at Peakes boatyard, a fibreglass chap in a shed at the back of the yard. He still has the mould. I know Amel no longer have them or a mould.
Maybe a local fibreglass place could also make a mould. I paid for two (one for the aft heads & galley) and told him to hang on to the mould and check every Amel that arrived! I should have bought the mould off him too!

Ian 
Ocean Hobo
SN96


Re: Tiny lights on 24V panel

Rink De Haan
 

Hello all,

I just ordered a couple of lights from Amel.


Maud send me this info:
Please find here attached a photo of the green and red light indicators.

The price is 5.90 euros/unit without taxes and without transport. The dedicated 24V 1 W light bulbs are also available. They are supplied in bags of 10 (17.20 euros without taxes and without transport.
I am very sorry but the light for the gas is not available from us anymore.

See photo attached. If these are the same lights they are not expensive.

Regards,
Rink
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brush size for Leroy Somer main sail furler motor

Hajo Hille
 

Hi Mark,
I just ordered the brushes for my Leroy Somers furling motor ( SM 150).
Maybe it´s the same size. I found a shop in Germany and bought four of them for 58,52 EUR.
The shop is:     J. Mack GmbH & Co. KG
                        Gießener Str. 49
                        D-35305 Grünberg
Contact:          info “at” mack-kohlebuersten.de
Phone:             0049 – ( 0) 6401 210 6090                Fax:     0049 – ( 0 ) 6401 4910
 
The size of the brushes I bought is 16 mm x 6 mm x 22 mm.
There is a website under www.mack-kohlebuersten.de where they offer all sizes of brushes.
 
Maybe I can order the brushes for you and bring it to Carloforte end of April.
But you have to send me an e-mail, soon, because ordering the brushes needs about 2 – 3 weeks.
 
Hope this helps, see you soon
 
Hajo
SM 150 Serafine
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. März 2017 um 17:27 Uhr
Von: "Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners]"
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Brush size for Leroy Somer main sail furler motor
 

Hi all,

I have ordered some brushes for my main furler and outhaul motors by giving Maud the motor model numbers. However, she says she need to know the size of the brushes. Can someone help as I am far from my boat?

My Leroy Somer motor is type "MBT86 M". The boat is Super Maramu hull #419 built in October 2003.

Thanks.

Mark Pitt
SY Sabbatical III


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bug screens for small portholes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 


Duane, 

The OEM fits tight enough to stay in place. It has an 8mm hollow tubular rubber gasket glued around the edges. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Galveston Island
Sent using Google Fi
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Mar 20, 2017 12:17, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


That would be great.  I thought about that kind of construction and was wondering how to attach it.  Magnets sound like a good idea.  The frame would have to be pretty thick at the thumbwheels  to use them to hold it in place.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ROV

Symphony
 

the underwater drone looks very useful, Tom.  please let the group know how you find it.
I'm going to suggest it to my local boatyards and yacht club - the short 25m tether would be plenty of length for checking boats in the marina or on harbor moorings.

Richard
soon to be ex-Tartan 4100 in Milford, CT



From: "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:48 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ROV

 
I came across a radio story about a two young guys, one of whom started off by trying to sail around the world. Not sure how that turned out, but they then got hooked on a hunt for  gold treasure buried in a deep pool of water within a cave. In order to look for the gold, they ended up building their own undersea remote operated vehicle. It's "open source", but they also supply a build-it-yourself kit for $900. 
I have just ordered one. Possible uses (besides just having fun):
-checking anchor set
-checking why anchor won't come up
-checking prop
-checking for good snorkeling (I'm not Scuba)
-I'm sure many more
Anyone interested, their webpage is "openrov dot com".
No financial or other interests in the company.
Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
St Augustine, FL



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ROV

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

That's cool. I know I'm going in the h2o to unfoul that tether though!  
I'd love to see how you use it!
Thanks Tom

Porter McRoberts



On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:36 PM, peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I came across a radio story about a two young guys, one of whom started off by trying to sail around the world. Not sure how that turned out, but they then got hooked on a hunt for  gold treasure buried in a deep pool of water within a cave. In order to look for the gold, they ended up building their own undersea remote operated vehicle. It's "open source", but they also supply a build-it-yourself kit for $900. 

I have just ordered one. Possible uses (besides just having fun):

-checking anchor set

-checking why anchor won't come up

-checking prop

-checking for good snorkeling (I'm not Scuba)

-I'm sure many more

Anyone interested, their webpage is "openrov dot com".

No financial or other interests in the company.

Tom Peacock

SM #240 Aletes

St Augustine, FL


Re: Photos of complete fuel pre filter and also auxillary 75 gallon fuel tank.

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Eric,

Why not uploading the photo's for the whole owners group? That will save you a lot of e-mailing.

Regards,

Willem Kroes


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bug screens for small portholes

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Velcro is velcro and since it is the part with hooks it is not very easy to clean. In fact easier to rip it away and glue new ones in place instead.
I have had ours in place fore some years and not even thought of cleaning them. Seems like the grease stucks to the net that needs regular washes.

/Annsofie S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998.

Skickat från min iPad

20 mars 2017 kl. 17:15 skrev sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Ann-Sofie,


Thanks for the reply.  Does the velcro that's glued in clean up ok?

Best regards,
Duane


Re: rain shield for galley port

Ian Park
 

The Santorin galley port is the same size as the SM. It may be no use for you but perhaps someone else - I had a mould made for one in Trinidad at Peakes boatyard, a fibreglass chap in a shed at the back of the yard. He still has the mould. I know Amel no longer have them or a mould.
Maybe a local fibreglass place could also make a mould. I paid for two (one for the aft heads & galley) and told him to hang on to the mould and check every Amel that arrived! I should have bought the mould off him too!

Ian 
Ocean Hobo
SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rain shield for galley port

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Alan.  The "after market" shield I'm looking at attaches with silicon.  On the older  Maramus there is no drip shield at all.

Thanks again,

Bob

On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:46 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry Bob,


I think they must be different.
On ours the flange is on the inside of the boat...there's nothing pon the outside to attach anything to, it's flush.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Photos of complete fuel pre filter and also auxillary 75 gallon fuel tank.

James Alton
 

Eric,

   Having sailed a lot of dinghies in light to no wind conditions, I totally agree with what you are saying about a windward heel in light air hurting performance.  Besides helping the sails stay filled, a bit of heel to leeward generates some weather helm which effectively puts some beneficial camber in the keel/rudder coupling.  A windward heel will cause the coupling to generate additional lift to leeward which isn’t too productive unless you like going sideways. (grin)  I guess if the heel isn’t much and it’s a cruising boat the difference probably is not all that meaningful so for me it is mostly just that I prefer my boat to be level when not in motion.  

   Actually I love to sail in light airs and carry a good inventory of light sails.  The mizzen staysail is one of my favourite sails on the Maramu.  I like the idea of not carrying all of my fuel in one tank just in case..  True, you can carry your spare fuel in jugs that are needed to ferry fuel in certain places but the fuel seems to find a way to get out far too often for me to feel comfortable carrying much in that manner.  I feel that having more capacity can be a good thing since when you find a source of clean/inexpensive fuel you can capitalize on that and not have to go dockside as often.  And you never know when a situation might arise where you are required to motor a lot more than expected.  I don’t see any downside to having more options.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:01 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,

Heeling to windward in light air doesn't just feel strange, it really cuts down on performance. A classic trick for sailing small boats in light air is to move crew weight to the leeward rail to force a "proper" heel. Gravity then helps pull the sails into a good airfoil shape even when the wind is too light to lift the sails on its own. Heeling to windward will make the sails collapse at higher wind speeds than they will on a flat boat. 

But we all have our own ways of sailing. For anybody who feels that the range from the stock diesel tank is insufficient I am guessing that sailing performance in less that 5 knots of wind is not a big concern. 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Photos of complete fuel pre filter and also auxillary 75 gallon fuel tank.

greatketch@...
 

James,

Heeling to windward in light air doesn't just feel strange, it really cuts down on performance. A classic trick for sailing small boats in light air is to move crew weight to the leeward rail to force a "proper" heel. Gravity then helps pull the sails into a good airfoil shape even when the wind is too light to lift the sails on its own. Heeling to windward will make the sails collapse at higher wind speeds than they will on a flat boat.

But we all have our own ways of sailing. For anybody who feels that the range from the stock diesel tank is insufficient I am guessing that sailing performance in less that 5 knots of wind is not a big concern.


Re: bug screens for small portholes

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

Good question. Are they essential? Probably not. They do not add a lot to the total air flow through the boat. But in s buggy anchorage when cooking I'd miss the air if I had to keep the galley port closed. And in rain, sometimes the ports opening under the cover of the cockpit canvas are the only ones that can be opened.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Ponce, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mizzen traveler end stops

Les Fox <les.fox@...>
 

After Mauri Pro and Caribe Marin in Le Marin said they weren't available I bought them from here in the states. 

Les Fox
SV Surreal 
St. Maarten 


Excuse typos and brevity, sent from a mobile device.

On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Bill,

I replaced mine over a year ago. Here is Gary Silver #335 email at the time.
It was indeed a perfect fit.
Sincerely, Alexandre

Hi Kent:

I purchased end caps for the mizzen traveler from Amel. They are Lewmar part number 29171040 and were a perfect fit for my hull # 335 SM.

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C118%7C2358559%7C2358564&id=1390112

At the same time I purchased the Amel proprietary jib car traveler pulley at the bottom of the crank. They come in two pieces, each side, as I recall.

Sorry I don't have prices but the stops for the mizzen traveler were cheap and the metal pulleys were in the $150 US range (again from memory). I had them shipped with a lot of other items that were quite heavy so the usual high freight charges were included. As these two items are light I would think they wouldn't be too expensive to have shipped.

As always, send a picture of the item with your order.

All the best,

Gary Silver
SM # 335
s/v Liahona

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 3/18/17, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] mizzen traveler end stops
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 18, 2017, 10:42 AM


 









Anyone have a part number or source
for the end stops on the mizzen traveler? Mine are crusty
and need replacement. 
Thanks,
Bill
Maffei SM
#195It's all Good 





ROV

Thomas Peacock
 

I came across a radio story about a two young guys, one of whom started off by trying to sail around the world. Not sure how that turned out, but they then got hooked on a hunt for  gold treasure buried in a deep pool of water within a cave. In order to look for the gold, they ended up building their own undersea remote operated vehicle. It's "open source", but they also supply a build-it-yourself kit for $900. 

I have just ordered one. Possible uses (besides just having fun):

-checking anchor set

-checking why anchor won't come up

-checking prop

-checking for good snorkeling (I'm not Scuba)

-I'm sure many more

Anyone interested, their webpage is "openrov dot com".

No financial or other interests in the company.

Tom Peacock

SM #240 Aletes

St Augustine, FL


Re: rain shield for galley port

Alan Leslie
 

Sorry Bob,

I think they must be different.
On ours the flange is on the inside of the boat...there's nothing pon the outside to attach anything to, it's flush.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: bug screens for small portholes

sailor63109@...
 

Bill,

Thanks for the reply.  Did you find you didn't need screens?  I wondered about that (since there doesn't seem to be much interest in them when I searched), but they are in handy spots that need a bit of ventilation.

Best regards,
Duane