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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raw water cooling

greatketch@...
 

On the TMD22 the oil cooler is not likely to be the problem. It is not a shell and tube heat exchanger, rather it is just an aluminum box bolted to a flat spot on the transmission.  I'll be polite and call it a "minimalist design". Certainly it provides minimal cooling.

I saw some of the same temperature behavior on my TMD22 until I changed the impeller on the routine maintenance schedule.  Although the old one looked fine, after the change the temperature was much better behaved at near full throttle.  It still runs up a little, but only about 20 degrees and then stabilizes.  I  do not KNOW that the new impeller was  the cure, since I did some other maintenance and fussing as well, but it would be my best guess.

On those TMD22 transmission coolers, be sure to add those to your maintenance schedule if they are not already there.  With three different metals, and high velocity seawater they corrode at a rather quick pace.  Having one fail and fill your engine room with salt water will ruin your day!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Isla Caja de Muertos, PR

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: raw water cooling

Patrick McAneny
 

Gary, I have read about this stream of water in the cockpit before and have looked for it and not found it. I don't think my boat has this setup , wish it did. Its hard to lean over the port side far enough to view the exhaust well and then with it being partially in the water it is hard to determine strength of flow. I don't think I am getting all the flow I should , I will take off the oil cooler to see if I have any blockage , I wonder if I should take the raw water manifold off as well for a look see.
Thanks, Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Mar 30, 2017 6:00 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: raw water cooling

 
Pat,
If you look at the aft part of your cockpit floor, port side, you can see a stream of water shooting out from the anti-syphon loop when the engine is running. One tiny mod I made was to run a small length of tubing (1/4" maybe) from that anti-syphon loop in the raw water hose to the scupper. I can hear a small gurgle with each start indicating the system has purged the air out and is moving sea water.
Also, if you go below and physically hold the big exhaust hose you can feel it 'shake' as quantities of water shooting through it.

That's about all I know :)

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Eumenia Goldkind EU340 washing machine

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barry,

You can probably find what you are looking for in the Files Section at: 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Thomson%20Washer-Dryer%20Manuals/

That is, if your washing machine is Amel OEM. I believe that Thompson was the OEM brand for SM2ks...Your hull number is prior to SM2k, so not sure. 

Good luck. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Galveston Island
Sent using Google Fi
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Mar 30, 2017 22:14, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have any information on this washing machine in ENGLISH please?


Thank you


Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM# 171



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sheet sizes for Maramu bunks

James Alton
 

Jacob,
   Sailboatdata.com has a drawing of the Maramu interior that we have roughly scaled to get the bunk sizes and shapes.  Just search on Amel Maramu at that website.  The wife has been making custom sheets and blankets for Sueno from the aforementioned drawing.  I am thinking that we used a queen sheet initially for the aft bunk.  Congratulations.

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:03/30/2017 8:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] sheet sizes for Maramu bunks

 

My wife asks:  Has anyone used standard sized sheets on the aft bunk or V-berth bunks in a Maramu 46?  We are moving aboard in a few weeks, and I want to get sheets with me, but I can't measure ahead of time. 


Thanks!

Jacob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raw water cooling

Bob Grey
 

Pat, the transmission oil cooler should be checked every service as yes it does get blocked, mine blocked first time after 300hours in southern Australia due to the type of spaghetti thin sea grass in Port Phillip bay and the symptoms were identical to what you describe, temp goes up with revs, less water out exhaust. Easy to spot with the engine room hatch open look at the hose coming out of the transmission cooler, rev to 2500 (out of gear if your in dock)🙄 and the hose between the seawater pump and the trasmission cooler flattens as the pump creates a vacuum in this pipe as it's sucking and not getting flow.

The local Volvo dealer cleans the oil cooler every service, but he says this is good because the smaller tubes in the transmission cooler catch the weed and protect the heat exchanger from blocking up. It's a a really big job to clean weed out of the heat exchanger.

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3

On Friday, March 31, 2017, 08:38, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I always check my exhaust for water flow after starting the engine , a Volvo TMD 22A. It is difficult to determine as the exhaust pipe is partially under water , I wish it had been installed a couple of inches higher. I have never thought I had as much water expelled as I would expect. I have seen many boats which seemed to have a more robust exhaust of water. My temperature seems to rise when the rpms go above 2500 . The heat exchanger is always kept clean . I have never taken off the raw water manifold or the transmission cooler, for those that have , have you found any blockage (growth etc.)that could inhibit the flow of water .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: Eumenia Goldkind EU340 washing machine

seagasm
 

Evidently, there could be a model name change given the age of this unit. I found a parts list for a EUDORA SOBA GK 340, appears to be the identical unit. What I am after is the heater element and possibly any other spare parts. I have no problems with the machine, I think it is a top little unit, but it needs an element. Any help would be appreciated.

Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171


Rewiring the engine and Starter Battery Current Leak

eric freedman
 

If we are talking about a yanmar there is heavy black wire that runs from the solenoid that grounds the block grounding. It runs  all around the back of the engine to the alternator. It is jammed under the Turbo and is extremely hard to remove.

There are at least 8 sensors and other connections SOLDERED into that wire and covered with electrical tape. Any one of these connections  or the wire itself, if it is chafed, and touches the block will ground the engine.

Here is the photo of the black wire at the engine grounding solenoid.  There are also 2 diodes in the circuit that can short out the system and create all kinds of havoc.. https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/photostream/lightbox/2102593734?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/2102593734

 

 

Here is a photo of one of the Amel factory solder joints.

https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/photostream/lightbox/2102593734?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/2103611017.

 

I have had strange electrical problems with the engine over the years.. I finally gave up and rewired the block correctly.

I opened every harness and replaced every wire with “ home Runs” to the grounding system instead of daisy chaining the ground wires. I also ran the new harnesses that I made near the top of the engine for easy access. Each of the harnesses are different colors so I know that the Dc positive wires to the senders , solenoids etc. are in a red harness. The yellow harness has all the grounding wires, and the third harness the green one is for the misc. devices mostly the starter circuit..

 

Good luck , it only took me a week to rewire the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Starter Battery Current Leak

 

 

I see Bill's comment about dirt accumulation providing a path to ground. 

I agree, we had that problem on the Yanmar starter motor...not your problem, but salt infused dirt around the positive terminal of the starter solenoid shorted out the start battery when the key was turned...the panel voltmeter went to zero volts!...the motor wouldn't turn over obviously.

Cleaning all around the terminals cured the problem....which was probably caused by the fact that the raw water pump faces towards the starter motor and there's generally quite a bit of salt water around when the cover plate is removed.

Given that the starter battery is only connected to the alternator and starter on each engine as well as the panel switches...they are the places to look...but my bet would be the alternators and / or starter motors and solenoids.

Good luck

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437   

 


Re: Starter Battery Current Leak

Alan Leslie
 

I see Bill's comment about dirt accumulation providing a path to ground. 
I agree, we had that problem on the Yanmar starter motor...not your problem, but salt infused dirt around the positive terminal of the starter solenoid shorted out the start battery when the key was turned...the panel voltmeter went to zero volts!...the motor wouldn't turn over obviously.
Cleaning all around the terminals cured the problem....which was probably caused by the fact that the raw water pump faces towards the starter motor and there's generally quite a bit of salt water around when the cover plate is removed.
Given that the starter battery is only connected to the alternator and starter on each engine as well as the panel switches...they are the places to look...but my bet would be the alternators and / or starter motors and solenoids.
Good luck
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437   


Eumenia Goldkind EU340 washing machine

seagasm
 

Does anyone have any information on this washing machine in ENGLISH please?


Thank you


Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM# 171


Re: Starter Battery Current Leak

greatketch@...
 


Gary,

Almost a quarter amp is a lot, and more than I'd expect as "normal".  This is a lot easier to track down than the similar problem in the 24 volt system...  It has to be either the Onan or the drive engine...  or their 12 volt alternators.

Don't forget accumulated dirt making a part to ground. That would be my bet on this. And if I was putting odds, it would be one of the alternators.

But ground leaks have a way of being infinitely frustrating!

Bill Kinney
Isla Caja de Muertos, PR


sheet sizes for Maramu bunks

Jacob Champness
 

My wife asks:  Has anyone used standard sized sheets on the aft bunk or V-berth bunks in a Maramu 46?  We are moving aboard in a few weeks, and I want to get sheets with me, but I can't measure ahead of time. 


Thanks!

Jacob


Starter Battery Current Leak

Gary Wells
 

Seeing about 225 ma leaving the starter battery and I would've expected zero I guess. I'll start chasing it tomorrow but wondered if it's normal, or if not, whare a likely candidate might lie.

Thanks for any insights.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio


Re: raw water cooling

Gary Wells
 

Pat,
If you look at the aft part of your cockpit floor, port side, you can see a stream of water shooting out from the anti-syphon loop when the engine is running. One tiny mod I made was to run a small length of tubing (1/4" maybe) from that anti-syphon loop in the raw water hose to the scupper. I can hear a small gurgle with each start indicating the system has purged the air out and is moving sea water.
Also, if you go below and physically hold the big exhaust hose you can feel it 'shake' as quantities of water shooting through it.

That's about all I know :)

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio


Re: Tiny lights on 24V panel

Jim Anderson
 

Great solutions, and easy too. Thank you all!


Raw water cooling

Patrick McAneny
 

I always check my exhaust for water flow after starting the engine , a Volvo TMD 22A. It is difficult to determine as the exhaust pipe is partially under water , I wish it had been installed a couple of inches higher. I have never thought I had as much water expelled as I would expect. I have seen many boats which seemed to have a more robust exhaust of water. My temperature seems to rise when the rpms go above 2500 . The heat exchanger is always kept clean . I have never taken off the raw water manifold or the transmission cooler, for those that have , have you found any blockage (growth etc.)that could inhibit the flow of water .

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: Engine Room Door - Struts

Ian Park
 

Trevor
My Santorin is no 96. It didn't have struts, just the short rope with the decorative back splice that sits behind the slot on the forward edge of the hatch. 
Maintenance and replacement costs have been exceptionally low! !!
Good luck

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Door - Struts

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark and Trevor,

Alex posted information on the Super Maramu...Trevor's Santorin takes a different size strut.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:27 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Trevor,

 

The engine room struts to help lift the hatch were original to this model boat. However, Alexandre posted a source for replacements in the USA on this forum. Perhaps these would work for you:

 

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@...

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Turks and Caicos Islands

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Door - Struts

 

 

Hello all,

I'm away from the boat, but headed back to her soon. I want to install a couple of struts to hold the engine room deck hatch open. I currently have to tie it off - not the biggest of issues for sure, but I saw a picture of Cream Puff and it has struts. Not sure if he fitted them or a late addition to Amels. If anyone has the size / experience for a Santorin I would appreciate the info. Or I'll be measuring when I return and posting when I get it sorted.

Thanks to all. (Also, anyone in the Bournemouth / Poole area at the moment?)

Trevor
S/V Iris, SN 027
Phuket
(I'm currently in Abu Dhabi)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

I am really very surprised that Dave Huffman, the broker, the Volvo mechanics, and Nigel Calder never asked if the propellor was clean. The number one cause of the symptoms you mentioned is an overloaded diesel engine. The number one cause of an overloaded diesel on an Amel with an AutoProp is growth on the blades...even a small amount of growth. Growth causes the blades to pitch too much, biting too much water and overloads the engine.

Also, from my experience, people like Nigel Calder who make imperative and absolute statements like "...should never smoke and is indicative of a serious issue," are only correct the majority of the time and usually provide good advice for gamblers. I hate gambling.

So, I will ask you: Is the propellor clean?

The other thing that I sometimes hear from experts is that the H6 AutoProp is too large or too small. Evidence that it is correct for a SM and a 54 is that over 600 Amels are operating with them...I believe that fact is much more credible than anyone's opinion.

Lastly, some of the Volvo D-3 110 have issues that sometimes even experts cannot figure out. If you own a good one, you will love it...if you own a bad one, good luck. That said, the chances of that Volvo being a good one are very high because based on the hull number, that engine was probably made in Volvo's 4th-5th year of production of the D3 110.

My advice, thoroughly clean that propellor and try things again.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:43 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Porter,

 

I’m not sure why you would trust the opinion of a group member rather than your own instincts and opinions of the expert mechanics? You seem convinced the boat has an issue and I seriously doubt even the most knowledgeable members of this group can guide or are willing to guide you down a particular path.  

 

If this is the boat for you, then reach a deal with the owner. Or, cut your losses and look for another boat.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Turks and Caicos Islands

www.creampuff.us

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Door - Struts

Mark Erdos
 

Trevor,

 

The engine room struts to help lift the hatch were original to this model boat. However, Alexandre posted a source for replacements in the USA on this forum. Perhaps these would work for you:

 

Bansbach easylift in Florida 321-253-1999
Esteban Contreras estebanc@...

A1A1N40-250-608/400N 316L Stainless Steel
Meaning a stroke of 250 mm with 608 mm overall
400 NM resistance
The stroke is 8 mm
The Diameter of the cylinder is 19 mm
With 8 mm hinge on each side.

Took a few weeks to build
They were $125 each (and free shipping).

These were the highest standard they are, guaranty for 10.000 opening... 
They also had a cheaper standard line.

Sincerely, Alexandre

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Turks and Caicos Islands

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Door - Struts

 

 

Hello all,

I'm away from the boat, but headed back to her soon. I want to install a couple of struts to hold the engine room deck hatch open. I currently have to tie it off - not the biggest of issues for sure, but I saw a picture of Cream Puff and it has struts. Not sure if he fitted them or a late addition to Amels. If anyone has the size / experience for a Santorin I would appreciate the info. Or I'll be measuring when I return and posting when I get it sorted.

Thanks to all. (Also, anyone in the Bournemouth / Poole area at the moment?)

Trevor
S/V Iris, SN 027
Phuket
(I'm currently in Abu Dhabi)


Engine Room Door - Struts

tfortner1975
 

Hello all,

I'm away from the boat, but headed back to her soon. I want to install a couple of struts to hold the engine room deck hatch open. I currently have to tie it off - not the biggest of issues for sure, but I saw a picture of Cream Puff and it has struts. Not sure if he fitted them or a late addition to Amels. If anyone has the size / experience for a Santorin I would appreciate the info. Or I'll be measuring when I return and posting when I get it sorted.

Thanks to all. (Also, anyone in the Bournemouth / Poole area at the moment?)

Trevor
S/V Iris, SN 027
Phuket
(I'm currently in Abu Dhabi)