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Re: What travel insurance for cruisers?

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Thomas;

We use GeoBlue for personal travel health insurance outside US. They cover all expenses, repatriation, etc. And seem pretty comprehensive. We have never had to use it. You simply get on their website, give them your travel dates and some simple information and you get a quote that you can bind online.

However all of this assumes that you are a US citizen and have US health insurance for the US.

We also have DAN boater insurance that is a very good value for extreme situations.

Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B kokomo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] What travel insurance for cruisers?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

There is no short answer to your question and certainly Americans will have a different answer than someone from France or the EU.

We used the following for our circumnavigation, but they would not insure us in US waters. Contact:
Geoffroy de LASSEE | ASSURANCES MARITIMES de LASSEE 
5 rue de la trinquette - BP 50066 - 17003 La Rochelle
T. +33(0) 5 46 45 46 45 | gdelassee"at"assurances-delassee.com 
RCS La Rochelle : 421 832 908 | Numero ORIAS 07 030 457 | www.orias.fr 
Sous l'autorité de l'ACPR - 61, rue Taitbout - 75009 Paris

We later changed to Velos because they insured in US waters. Contact: insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk 

We paid cash for our personal medical needs around the world, but when you are in US you will need some sort of health care insurance because even simple doctor visits, medication and procedures are very, very high priced for cash customers. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550


 
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:24 AM, svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,


When purchasing our boat insurance, we realised that the cover was limited to events occurring while onboard or getting on/off the boat. Likewise, cover for gadgets/electronics was limited to equipment used for navigation (laptops/photography/video/phones not covered).

We also found that classic travel insurance typically covers trips for 60-90 consecutive days and from the main residence place only.


Therefore, what insurance cover does a long-term (12+mths) cruiser need when ashore in foreign countries (in particular for belongings, personal liability, medical)?

Would this come under Yach tman travel insurance (including liveaboard)? 


We would like to hear about your views and experience on this topic.


Thanks and BR 

Thomas & Soraya
Garulfo
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde



 



new Amel 50

Mark Pitt
 

The new Amel

Photos: AMEL 50 Reveal | Cruising World
http://www.cruisingworld.com/photos-amel-50-reveal?K0XIIo0AVlzHrlxx.03

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM #418


What travel insurance for cruisers?

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi All,


When purchasing our boat insurance, we realised that the cover was limited to events occurring while onboard or getting on/off the boat. Likewise, cover for gadgets/electronics was limited to equipment used for navigation (laptops/photography/video/phones not covered).

We also found that classic travel insurance typically covers trips for 60-90 consecutive days and from the main residence place only.


Therefore, what insurance cover does a long-term (12+mths) cruiser need when ashore in foreign countries (in particular for belongings, personal liability, medical)?

Would this come under Yachtman travel insurance (including liveaboard)? 


We would like to hear about your views and experience on this topic.


Thanks and BR 

Thomas & Soraya
Garulfo
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde



 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Mark Pitt
 

Hi,

I did away with the accumulator tank altogether and installed a Jabsco variable-flow pump two years ago: Jabsco V-Flo 5.0 Water Pressure Pump, variable flow, constant pressure. Model 42755-0094 (19-LPM, 40-PSI, 24-Volt, 6 Amps). So far it works great but I keep a spare on-board.

Mark

Sabbatical III, SM#419

On 4/13/2017 7:31 PM, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hello Dominique
We installed a Jabsco par 4 pump with a Johnosn 2 liter accumulator tank, we thought the Jabsco was to small and the quality did not look great. So fare it works very well. We will probably replace the anchor wash punp with a Jabsco pump par 4, and buy two as spare then they can replace the toilet punps as well as fresh water and anchor wash pump.That will give flexibility and reduce number of different pumps ro keep as spare
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Bahamas

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Generator Flooded with Fresh Water

rossirossix4
 

Hi Duane,

I promised Bill and Duane I would post a summary of the problem and have changed the subject line for better results in searches.  I emailed Duane rather than posting, hoping to sort things out instead of having a flurry of back and forth posts and bounced ideas off of Bill while we were confirming the problem.

When I saw Duane's post evolving I emailed him to suggest a possible cause--a slow (bypass) leak from the desalination 3-way valve between the freshwater to the saltwater systems and offered a simple test: observe the water level in the strainer with the seacock (sea intake ball valve) closed and the fresh water system pressured up.  If it rises over time--even slowly--it is a problem.  Even with a very slow leak it will continue to push water into the sea water manifold.  It seems that the generator loop is the way out for this water.  The diesel engine raw water loop (fortunately) and the desalination filters are higher and for some reason the water does not escape through the AC loop  (I am guessing it has something to do with the way salt water is selectively diverted to the 3 AC units).  Of course, if the seacock to the strainer is open (either on-land or in the water) pressure will not build up and cause a problem.

I had had the same problem but happened to catch it quickly as I was trouble shooting for the source of the fresh water leak.   Because the bypass leak can be very, very small (and still cause major problems over time) it can be difficult to detect by noticing excessive freshwater pump cycling.  Like Duane, I had heard my fresh water pump cycle just once in the middle of the night.  Also, difficulty cranking the generator can be a sign of a full lift muffler.  It is probably only after the muffler and exhaust hose fills that water will back into the generator.

The problem is solved by installing a new 3-way valve.  I am sure that Dessalator and Amel used a good valve, but after 10 years of exposure to salt water, a bit of electrolysis, etc, and perhaps lack of being worked it can develop a very slow leak that potentially could lead to a very big problem.  I think that 3 way valves may be more susceptible to these kinds of problems than 2 way ball valves because the openings are closer. 

I did not post at the time because I thought I had just made a procedural error.  I have a 2 way ball valve between the salt water manifold and 3 way.  Had I closed that during non-use of the Dessalator there would not have been a problem.  I have just learned that it is not standard on Amels.  I would, however suggest considering the valve and it is pretty easy to add if you are replacing your 3-way.  If you have a leak in the filters or somewhere else in your desalination system you can still operate your engine and generator and it is handy when working on your system.  It also prevents a potentially expensive problem if the 3 way valve develops a bypass leak over time.  Occasionally I will forget to open it before making water but immediately see no low water pressure--I always look for this because I am also checking to make sure the low pressure feed pump is operating.  Checking the oil in your generator before every operation is not a bad idea.

Bob, KAIMI SM 429
Cavtat, Croatia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigging quotes

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Craig,

Yes, it was from ACMO.  Shipping by air to Antalya, Turkey was euros 530.  Everything was nicely packed and labeled (in French) on a pallet.

Best,

Mark
Sabbatical III, ASM #419


On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:39 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,
Thanks for the data point on price. Was that from ACMO?  Did you have it shipped and, if so, to where and for how much? What's an "ASM"?
Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi,

   I paid euros 7497.98 without shipping last year.  The price was the same for right or left handed turnbuckles.  All one needs to add is nylon spacers and grease for the headstay.

   Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, ASM#419


On 4/13/2017 8:54 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Paul,

We bought ours in 2010. 
Some time ago Gary Silver posted his Super Maramu invoice from March, 2014 and it was virtually the same as yours at 7947 plus 780 for shipping (to where I don't know) for a total of 8286.

We did save some 1000€ by specifying standard right handed turnbuckles rather than the Amel original spec of left handed ones.  I don't know if Gary did that too, but you probably do on your quote. 

The difference may not be unreasonable, though, if you consider the Santorin has 6, 7, 8 and 10 mm stays versus the Super Maramu's 7,8,10 & 12mm with proportionally sized turnbuckles, plus it being 7 years ago. 

Good grief, 7 years puts me about half way to having to do it again!  I may have to have Katherine do the work aloft this time while I push the button on the windlass.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68, Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Craig and Katherine,

How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO?  I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping.

I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €.

Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com
 
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigging quotes

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Mark,
Thanks for the data point on price. Was that from ACMO?  Did you have it shipped and, if so, to where and for how much? What's an "ASM"?
Cheers, Craig, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mark_pitt@...> wrote :

Hi,

   I paid euros 7497.98 without shipping last year.  The price was the same for right or left handed turnbuckles.  All one needs to add is nylon spacers and grease for the headstay.

   Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, ASM#419


On 4/13/2017 8:54 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Paul,

We bought ours in 2010. 
Some time ago Gary Silver posted his Super Maramu invoice from March, 2014 and it was virtually the same as yours at 7947 plus 780 for shipping (to where I don't know) for a total of 8286.

We did save some 1000€ by specifying standard right handed turnbuckles rather than the Amel original spec of left handed ones.  I don't know if Gary did that too, but you probably do on your quote. 

The difference may not be unreasonable, though, if you consider the Santorin has 6, 7, 8 and 10 mm stays versus the Super Maramu's 7,8,10 & 12mm with proportionally sized turnbuckles, plus it being 7 years ago. 

Good grief, 7 years puts me about half way to having to do it again!  I may have to have Katherine do the work aloft this time while I push the button on the windlass.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68, Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl

---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Craig and Katherine,

How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO?  I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping.

I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €.

Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com
 
 


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Dominique
We installed a Jabsco par 4 pump with a Johnosn 2 liter accumulator tank, we thought the Jabsco was to small and the quality did not look great. So fare it works very well. We will probably replace the anchor wash punp with a Jabsco pump par 4, and buy two as spare then they can replace the toilet punps as well as fresh water and anchor wash pump.That will give flexibility and reduce number of different pumps ro keep as spare
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Bahamas


Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Dominique Guenot
 

SM 2000 - AMFA pump and fresh water system

The pressure tank membrane is punctuated 

AMEL La Rochelle seems unable to provide and AMFA is no where to be seen but some leftover inventory with wholesaler. 


I am considering replacing by:

- Jabsco Pump

- Jabsco Accumulator 


See file attached 


Price in the US via Amazon is reasonable

Jabsco is available everywhere   


Could you let me know your thoughts and/or any recommended brand/system you might have successfully installed? 

 

Thank you so much 

Dominique 

s/v Viva  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigging quotes

Mark Pitt
 

Hi,

   I paid euros 7497.98 without shipping last year.  The price was the same for right or left handed turnbuckles.  All one needs to add is nylon spacers and grease for the headstay.

   Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, ASM#419


On 4/13/2017 8:54 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Paul,

We bought ours in 2010. 
Some time ago Gary Silver posted his Super Maramu invoice from March, 2014 and it was virtually the same as yours at 7947 plus 780 for shipping (to where I don't know) for a total of 8286.

We did save some 1000€ by specifying standard right handed turnbuckles rather than the Amel original spec of left handed ones.  I don't know if Gary did that too, but you probably do on your quote. 

The difference may not be unreasonable, though, if you consider the Santorin has 6, 7, 8 and 10 mm stays versus the Super Maramu's 7,8,10 & 12mm with proportionally sized turnbuckles, plus it being 7 years ago. 

Good grief, 7 years puts me about half way to having to do it again!  I may have to have Katherine do the work aloft this time while I push the button on the windlass.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68, Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Craig and Katherine,

How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO?  I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping.

I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €.

Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com
 
 


Re: Rigging tune on Maramu caused damage

greatketch@...
 

Putting holes in cored deck has been the death of many a boat from water intrusion. Nothing the dull thud of the plastic sounding hammer when it finds wet core to make a sailor's heart sink. 

It's not hard to do right, but it does involve so much more than just drilling holes and bedding the hardware.

I hope your repairs go according to plan!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Isla de Culebra, PR


Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Craig,

Thank you for your response and the information.

I asked them about the right-hand/left-hand turnbuckle thing, and they stated that it would be the same regardless. 

Maybe there was a shortage of left-hand turnbuckles back in 2010?

Thanks again and all the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia


Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
I just had rigging replaced in Le Marin by Caraibe for 10,500 Euro. They are the shop that Amel employs in Martinique and uses all original ACMO hardware.

They were working on a SM when I got my quote and I followed another SM into the work pier. As we were leaving another Amel was pulling in, so they are quite experienced with Amel rigs.
It was three days work, they handled everythIng.

Gatean was the fellow I talked to, he can speak english.

Regards. John

John Clark
Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay, Sint Maarten


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigging quotes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Where you are located you have another option. For about 10,000€, including labor, you can sail over to Martinique and have the rigger that Amel recommends do a turn-key job. Gaëtan Rivet caraibe-greement.fr>. His mobile phone is 596 (0) 696 419 045. I used him to replace a short shroud on the mainmast that was suspicious looking at the top swage. Everyone else I know that used him, was satisfied with the re-rigging. Because of his location, he may have more Amel experience than most.

Best

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:12 AM, pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Craig,

Thank you for your response and the information.

I asked them about the right-hand/left-hand turnbuckle thing, and they stated that it would be the same regardless. 

Maybe there was a shortage of left-hand turnbuckles back in 2010?

Thanks again and all the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia



Re: rigging quotes

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Craig,

Thank you for your response and the information.

I asked them about the right-hand/left-hand turnbuckle thing, and they stated that it would be the same regardless. 

Maybe there was a shortage of left-hand turnbuckles back in 2010?

Thanks again and all the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia


Re: rigging quotes

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Paul,

We bought ours in 2010. 
Some time ago Gary Silver posted his Super Maramu invoice from March, 2014 and it was virtually the same as yours at 7947 plus 780 for shipping (to where I don't know) for a total of 8286.

We did save some 1000€ by specifying standard right handed turnbuckles rather than the Amel original spec of left handed ones.  I don't know if Gary did that too, but you probably do on your quote. 

The difference may not be unreasonable, though, if you consider the Santorin has 6, 7, 8 and 10 mm stays versus the Super Maramu's 7,8,10 & 12mm with proportionally sized turnbuckles, plus it being 7 years ago. 

Good grief, 7 years puts me about half way to having to do it again!  I may have to have Katherine do the work aloft this time while I push the button on the windlass.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68, Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl

---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Craig and Katherine,

How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO?  I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping.

I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €.

Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com
 
 


Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Craig and Katherine,

How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO?  I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping.

I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €.

Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Saint Lucia

RitaKathryn.com


Amel 54 with a Yanmar

Eric Freedman
 

I went  to La Rochelle prior to the announcement of the 54..on my insistence, Amel would have been able  to change my engine  to  Yanmar since it was still legal for another year in the USA.

 

I actually sailed the prototype and was sworn to secrecy since they had not announced the 54 and were still delivering the 53’s. I would only have to pay the submission to the CE approval bureau and the architects plus any additional modifications for a Yanmar . I had hull #12 on order ( my lucky number) however perceived health issues made me cancel my order, DAMN”

The boat was hidden on the opposite side of the harbor , Jean-Jack, Joel , Olivier and I  took it out for a sail.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


Re: Rigging tune on Maramu caused damage

j.lochhead@...
 

Hi Peter, I have put an update to this below.