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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kimberlite is in Smpson Bay Marina Slip c12

John Clark
 

Good deal count us in too.  Alex we finally get to meet!

John Clark
SV Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay. SXM

On Apr 21, 2017 1:42 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I will plan 17:00 Tuesday at Lagoonies. Alex from Nikimat is on my dock as well, and will see if I can get him to come along. Hope you can make it as well Eric. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
St Maarten

On Apr 20, 2017, at 18:16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Please drop By.
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Thanks, John!
>
> That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at
> Lagoonies?
> All the best!
>


Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Dan
 

Maybe because the tank are located in a place easier to remove and easier to inspect. Maybe gravity fed. Also a think the fresh water tanks are insulated from the boat so if you were to loose your keel and fracture the tanks you loose your water but not the diesel. Please correct me if wrong The mango in 82 was sold with one tank. With option to a second tank. With both tanks the range is 1000 miles. 220 gal. Find out if the maramu had same option and were it would go. On the mango it's port of engine. Just thoughts by


Re: Companionway door

greatketch@...
 

Danny,

Without removing the entire companionway slide, how did you get the veneer under the side rails?  Or did you just leave that "as-was"?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Culebra, PR


Re: Companionway door

greatketch@...
 

Woodcraft can supply teak veneer in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets that is bonded to a paper backing making it much easier to handle than raw veneer and it is only 1/42" thick (0.6mm) , so be careful with your finish sanding! About US$170.

Widely available from woodworking supply houses.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Culebra, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

greatketch@...
 

I have to disagree with Bill Rouse here.

I have dealt with a lot of different boats, and the Amel non-skid deck is absolutely one of the best out there.  It is easy on bare skin, but is amazingly sticky wet or dry with bare feet or shoes.  It is as good a non-skid as a "real" teak deck without the long and short term maintenance problems.  

That great performance absolutely does not come from the height difference between the faux boards and faux caulk.  It comes from the fine texture molded into the faux boards simulating real teak lumber. If you sand that texture off, and paint it smooth--you WILL end up with an ice skating rink for a deck.  If shallow 1/4 inch grooves were all it took to make a good non-skid deck there would not be so many dangerously slippery decks on boats out there.

If there is deck damage that can not be locally patched, and sanding and painting the whole deck is where you have to go, you will need to do something other than just apply smooth paint if you do not want to slide around on your deck.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Culebra, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Dennis,

I think that the non-slip surface on an Amel comes from the difference in surface height between the faux teak boards and the faux caulk. 

Those faux teak boards are gelcoat that was applied "too thick" to achieve the look and function. The difference in height is probably 1mm.

I believe that if you took the faux teak boards down 0.5mm, you would lose most of the cracking, then Option 3:
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Companionway door

Dan
 

I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kimberlite is in Smpson Bay Marina Slip c12

Stephen Davis
 

I will plan 17:00 Tuesday at Lagoonies. Alex from Nikimat is on my dock as well, and will see if I can get him to come along. Hope you can make it as well Eric. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
St Maarten

On Apr 20, 2017, at 18:16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Please drop By.
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Thanks, John!
>
> That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at
> Lagoonies?
> All the best!
>


Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Dennis Campbell
 

Hello All, 


I appreciate and welcome everyones feedback on my issue with faux deck cracking and restoration/refurbishment. 


My next query relates to increasing the internal fuel storage capacity - reason being that our future sailing plans will take us east from Malaysia through and into areas where extended motor/sailing may be required.


I understand the Perkins 60hp on Pegasus uses around 3 l/hr @ 5kts in calm seas ... 450 litres provides a theoretical range of 750nm (or 6 days), much less range if seas are boisterous or we are running away from a late season cyclone.


If we install a desalinator is it feasible to sacrifice around 400 litres of the water storage and reallocate it to diesel. I understand there is a tradeoff by running a generator to make water. Potential contamination has crossed my mind but as it stands if the current fuel tank fails, there'll be 450 litres of diesel sitting on top of the water storage tanks.Has anyone done this without resorting to jerry cans or containers?


As an afterthought, and probably a dumb question ... why aren't the fuel tanks on the Maramu positioned in the keel/bilge area? 


Best regards

Dennis (Pegasus - Maramu #178)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dennis,

I think that the non-slip surface on an Amel comes from the difference in surface height between the faux teak boards and the faux caulk. 

Those faux teak boards are gelcoat that was applied "too thick" to achieve the look and function. The difference in height is probably 1mm.

I believe that if you took the faux teak boards down 0.5mm, you would lose most of the cracking, then Option 3:
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

Veneer at 1/8" is 3mm and is about as thick as it gets. Veneer comes thicknesses beginning at about 0.5mm...see the attached chart for inch comparisons. You are probably going to have to contact some veneer suppliers online to find what you want and need. When I was in furniture manufacturing we produced a line of furniture that featured olive burl veneer cut into about 6"X8" squares. The effect was really quite remarkable. See the attached.

I thought about doing something like this if I ever had to replace the companionway veneer. I would pick a veneer and have it cut into tiles to apply to the companionway. Even if I used teak, I could run the grain horizontal on 1 piece then next to it run vertical and alternate all of the pieces. This would make it easy to veneer the door in place.

But, first you have to find the veneer. If you could find a furniture manufacturer without going to China, they will have lots of scrap you could use.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




Re: Deck restoration question

Dennis Campbell
 

My thanks to Bill for his suggestions. I'm curious if any owner has experienced 'cracking' of the faux timber material. Filling and sanding in the affected areas would need to be carefully done so that the texture is not erased.

I note Bob's comment about Kiwi grip. Are there other treatment options to provide a non-slip surface to the faux timber areas once it has been sanded and repainted?

Thanks for reading - Dennis 


Companionway door

Patrick McAneny
 

I would like to apply a teak veneer on my door , 1/8 " is as thin as I have found . I would need to take off the outer layer of the door which appears to be about 1/8 " to make room for the new veneer. In a couple of places it is separating . Has anyone taken the outer layer off ? I have also thought about applying a formica product on it , may be room for that. I would paint it again , but the wood has cracks in it and would not look good.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: Reefing procedure

danielmfrey63@...
 

Ian,
thx for the clarifications. I got the message from the beginning, but was interested in Your Details.

Best - Daniel


Chart Plotter - Radar Display Position and also Helm Lock

rossirossix4
 

Thought I would post these pictures and ideas.


We wanted to place our 12" Garmin plotter/radar in a position where it would not obstruct instruments or a view of the deck and water.  We also wanted it close enough to push buttons while comfortably seated at the helm and be as close as possible for viewing.


We were able to achieve this by moving the angled box that holds the autopilot.  This is very easy to do.  Remove the 2 bolts, make sure your connecting wires are free (ours were), slide the box toward the helm bulkhead, drill new holes and refasten the box.  The box itself covers the old mounting holes, so you can just silicone them.  Caulk/bed (thin) where the box meets the dash.  There is still easy access to the connections at the back of the autopilot from inside.


Make sure you leave enough space  to take your autopilot cover on and off.  This will also leave a run-off gap for any water that may find its way to your dash--see photos.


The brace can be mounted behind the  box and angled to match the autopilot with a gap to allow the plotter to be tilted and space to snap the cover on.


No more leaning to push plotter buttons, no visual obstruction to instruments or water. And it looks like it should be there!   See link to pictures below.


Previously there were some postings about helm locks.  Our boat has an Amel installed lock (its on the original invoice).  Note that they turned the leather around to grip the wheel and the ubiquitous black Amel knob--pure classic Amel concoction.


Click on first pic to thumb through larger pics.  Should be self explanatory Remember that is a 12" display! -- https://www.dropbox.com/sc/hdtjsx7sx4ufie8/AABb6f6sJI2EZbiskNRbUkHka


Bob, KAIMI SM 429

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck restoration question

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Bill.  I'm not ready to redue the decks yet but was interested in the product because a friend had used it and was happy.  

Bob

On Apr 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,


I have used KiwiGrip, not on an Amel, but on boats in a charter fleet.  It is not really a rubber product, but rather a thick, hard-curing, latex.  It has no give as you might think rubber would.

I have mixed thoughts...

When it is new it is a GREAT nonskid.  Almost too aggressive for bare skin.

But....

It is REALLY tough to get a good, consistent-looking, texture.  My crew and I did the decks of three J-24s before we had enough practice that we really were happy with the way it looked.

I was unhappy with the longevity.  We had material peeling off within a year.  Even material that wasn't peeling had worn to the point that it wasn't as nice a nonskid surface anymore.  Remember, these were charter boats in almost daily use.

After doing a few boats with KiwiGrip, we switched to Durabak, and found it a better solution, but still not totally happy with lifespan.

With any of these products, surface preparation is crucial to success.  Do it EXACTLY as the manufacturer says, or you will be very unhappy with the result.

If you REALLY need to resurface a deck the best product in my experience is the glue-down sheets of Treadmaster.  It's not cheap, and takes care to do a neat job on installation.  Installation doesn't take practice, just good worksmanship to look good. It lasts forever, and is a great non-skid texture.  In an off-white color it give a reasonable deck temperature in the sun.  It has a bit of a "workboat" like look, that is not to everyone's taste, but it works great.

Bill Kinney
Sm160 Harmonie
Culebra, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Has anyone used a product called "Kiwi Grip on their decks?    A previous owner on our 1985 Maramu  painted the outer decks (not cabin top) and it gets very hot in the tropics.  Huge difference between the temp of the cabin top and the outer decks.  Kiwi grip is a rubber based product that a friend used on his older boat and it looked and felt very good.

Bob
S/V Chara



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck restoration question [3 Attachments]

greatketch@...
 

Hi Bob,

I have used KiwiGrip, not on an Amel, but on boats in a charter fleet.  It is not really a rubber product, but rather a thick, hard-curing, latex.  It has no give as you might think rubber would.

I have mixed thoughts...

When it is new it is a GREAT nonskid.  Almost too aggressive for bare skin.

But....

It is REALLY tough to get a good, consistent-looking, texture.  My crew and I did the decks of three J-24s before we had enough practice that we really were happy with the way it looked.

I was unhappy with the longevity.  We had material peeling off within a year.  Even material that wasn't peeling had worn to the point that it wasn't as nice a nonskid surface anymore.  Remember, these were charter boats in almost daily use.

After doing a few boats with KiwiGrip, we switched to Durabak, and found it a better solution, but still not totally happy with lifespan.

With any of these products, surface preparation is crucial to success.  Do it EXACTLY as the manufacturer says, or you will be very unhappy with the result.

If you REALLY need to resurface a deck the best product in my experience is the glue-down sheets of Treadmaster.  It's not cheap, and takes care to do a neat job on installation.  Installation doesn't take practice, just good worksmanship to look good. It lasts forever, and is a great non-skid texture.  In an off-white color it give a reasonable deck temperature in the sun.  It has a bit of a "workboat" like look, that is not to everyone's taste, but it works great.

Bill Kinney
Sm160 Harmonie
Culebra, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., <bob.sarff@...> wrote :

Has anyone used a product called "Kiwi Grip on their decks?    A previous owner on our 1985 Maramu  painted the outer decks (not cabin top) and it gets very hot in the tropics.  Huge difference between the temp of the cabin top and the outer decks.  Kiwi grip is a rubber based product that a friend used on his older boat and it looked and felt very good.

Bob
S/V Chara



Kimberlite is in Smpson Bay Marina Slip c12

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck restoration question

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Actually kiwi is a Acrylic Polymer not a rubber base.  It just aha a "cushiony" feel.

On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:27 AM, bob Sarff bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone used a product called "Kiwi Grip on their decks?    A previous owner on our 1985 Maramu  painted the outer decks (not cabin top) and it gets very hot in the tropics.  Huge difference between the temp of the cabin top and the outer decks.  Kiwi grip is a rubber based product that a friend used on his older boat and it looked and felt very good.

Bob
S/V Chara

On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Olaf Bauer olaf_renos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


to paint the stripes in white was one of the best ideas on my AMEL  ;-)

it look much friendlier than the brown once

Olaf
SN135


On Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:18 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]
Dennis,

Three choices depending on a lot of things:

1.) You would be surprised what you can do by simply repainting the fauk caulking between the faux teak boards.Do one of the forward hatch covers and see what it looks like....see attached 

2.) If that does not look good to you, you, the faux teak boards are actually thick gelcoat. Try sanding off a little, then repaint the faux caulk.

3.) If that still does not achieve the appearance you want, 
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck restoration question [3 Attachments]

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Has anyone used a product called "Kiwi Grip on their decks?    A previous owner on our 1985 Maramu  painted the outer decks (not cabin top) and it gets very hot in the tropics.  Huge difference between the temp of the cabin top and the outer decks.  Kiwi grip is a rubber based product that a friend used on his older boat and it looked and felt very good.

Bob
S/V Chara

On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Olaf Bauer olaf_renos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


to paint the stripes in white was one of the best ideas on my AMEL  ;-)

it look much friendlier than the brown once

Olaf
SN135


On Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:18 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]
Dennis,

Three choices depending on a lot of things:

1.) You would be surprised what you can do by simply repainting the fauk caulking between the faux teak boards.Do one of the forward hatch covers and see what it looks like....see attached 

2.) If that does not look good to you, you, the faux teak boards are actually thick gelcoat. Try sanding off a little, then repaint the faux caulk.

3.) If that still does not achieve the appearance you want, 
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck restoration question [2 Attachments]

Olaf Bauer <olaf_renos@...>
 


to paint the stripes in white was one of the best ideas on my AMEL  ;-)

it look much friendlier than the brown once

Olaf
SN135


On Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:18 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]
Dennis,

Three choices depending on a lot of things:

1.) You would be surprised what you can do by simply repainting the fauk caulking between the faux teak boards.Do one of the forward hatch covers and see what it looks like....see attached 

2.) If that does not look good to you, you, the faux teak boards are actually thick gelcoat. Try sanding off a little, then repaint the faux caulk.

3.) If that still does not achieve the appearance you want, 
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970