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Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

I do remember that you identified that now, Olivier, thanks for the reminder.  This old girl has so many needs that I'd forgotten that one!  I'll try your suggestions and report back.

Thanks again!
Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door

Patrick McAneny
 

I thought I would let the group know that after a lot of time , I finally found a source of veneer . From a company called Band-It , they sell through dealers , even Ace Hardware. I bought a 24"x 96" for $48.00 . The thickness is about 1/32 " which is thin enough to fit between the door and the frame.Pat SM#123


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To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door

 
Danny, What thickness of veneer did you use ? Did you just cut it slightly wider and slide it in under the side rails. Hope all is well down there.
Thanks,
Pat SM #123


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Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 12:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door [5 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from danny included below]
I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

John Clark
 

Cool beans,  will try to catch you in am.

On Apr 24, 2017 11:35 AM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi John.


Lark is at the Geminga yard on the French side.  Unfortunately I won't be at the boat until later in the evening.  Would love meet up though.  I'll be there this evening and in the morning if you are in the area.  

Thanks so much!
Jacob
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

amelforme
 

Hi Jacob and I can see from your photos that you have the later style masts and furling which is good. Much better than the earlier system. As always, Olivier is correct in telling you where all the switches are and how to manually furl the main and check the brushes. Good luck with it all.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:33 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oh I just realized that at some point we started talking about the jib furler, but my issue is actually with the main furler. Sorry for the confusion. My jib furler is fine. The one that's giving me trouble is the main.

Jacob Champness
Maramu #202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Hi John.

Lark is at the Geminga yard on the French side.  Unfortunately I won't be at the boat until later in the evening.  Would love meet up though.  I'll be there this evening and in the morning if you are in the area.  

Thanks so much!
Jacob
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

John Clark
 

Hi Jacob,  I just left Budget Marine in Simpson Bay.  Am getting a beer mulling over a quote.   Where are you, I might be able to dinghy over.

John Clark
SV Vent de Soleil. SM 37
Simpson Bay SXM


On Apr 23, 2017 10:16 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone know someone who can help sort out issues with the furler on our new-to-us Maramu in St Martin? It worked well during our sea-trial, but is now stuck furled to within about 1 meter of closed.   Neither the manual nor the power furler seems to be able to budge it either in or out.  Any more experienced Amel folk in the vicinity able to swing by and take look?  I'd definitely owe you a beer or 6...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu construction photos

amelforme
 

That is so cool! I know all of those guys and all are now retired except one. Real time warp for me and thanks for the memories. I believe I have a photo of your boat in the ‘test pool’ as that name rings bells.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 9:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu construction photos

 

 

You guys will probably enjoy this.  It's an album of pictures taken by the original owner of our Maramu during its construction: https://goo.gl/photos/J3kbowQF7FBxrXVDA .

 

Jacob Champness

Maramu 202 - Lark

St. Martin

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Jacob,

the mainsail furler was indeed weak (see my report). If there is too much tension on the outhaul motor, the weak in-mast furler will not move.
You may remember I showed you the way to use it manually. After easing the 4 bolts that hold the motor, drop it by 2cm. Help dropping by using (and shaking) a winch handle on the nozzle located at the front of the mast.
The next step is to open the motor's housing, clean the carbon dust and check the condition of the brushes, and the way they slide into their channel. You may need to replace them.
The gear-box may need some new grease too...

Good luck.

Olivier


On Monday, April 24, 2017 4:33 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Oh I just realized that at some point we started talking about the jib furler, but my issue is actually with the main furler. Sorry for the confusion. My jib furler is fine. The one that's giving me trouble is the main.

Jacob Champness
Maramu #202 - Lark
St. Martin



Re: Deck restoration question

greatketch@...
 

The primary issue with the commercial synthetic teak products I am aware of is that they only simulate straight teak boards, not the bent ones that run up the side decks of an Amel. I have been on boats that have used the applied synthetic teak and the look and feel can be very good. If you can find something that works where the "boards" are not straight, it might be a reasonable compromise esthetically, and functionally.

Yes, it IS heresy to put anything on the deck, but... if your existing non-skid is no long workable, there is no good orthodox solution!  Practical Sailor Magazine did a run down a few years ago on non-skid surfaces that you might see if you can access.

The sugar trick works great on paints that cure REALLY hard like a two part polyurethane.  Most other paints are too soft for this to work well because the paint itself is the texture.  Softer paints just don't do well molded into the ridges and valleys.

I do suspect something odd about your deck.  On Harmonie after 21 years, and two circumnavigations, the deck texture shows no obvious signs of wear either on the faux-teak or cabintop. Non-skid performance is still excellent, and appearance (after re-stripping the faux-caulk) is very good.  There are a few places where the brown gelcoat seems to have been applied a bit thin and it has faded or worn to white, Since that has happened with no obvious reduction in texture, I have to assume it just faded a bit.

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Culebra, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., <dennis@...> wrote :

Thanks John. I'm wondering if weathering of the faux timber deck on Pegasus is a rare occurrence given the limited response to my question?

I'm interested to hear the glass bead and sugar suggestion from you and Bill but am inclined to think that any form of sanding and painting will affect both the faux timber appearance and grip.

Is it heresy to replace the faux decking with a synthetic product?  Bill Kinney mentioned Treadmaster and I noted they have a product that might serve as a replacement look-alike if I decide to sand off the faux timber ... https://www.treadmaster.co.uk/products/treadmaster-atlanteak-tkw . Are there any similar products that owners have had experience with? 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

James Alton
 

I think that Bill Rouse is correct that the grooves in the faux teak deck improve the grip of the Faux teak Amel deck along with the moulded in surface roughness.  The grooves probably function a little like the grooves in a tire by allowing any water to flow down a lower level than the surface where you foot is contacting the deck.  Stepping on a surface with water flowing across it is going to be slick..  The edges of the grooves no doubt help provide something for your foot or shoe to press into.  I would like to keep the faux deck appearance on my boat even though it will be a lot more work.  The extra thick gel coat out in 30 years of sun naturally has some cracks in it and those must be removed by taking off the gel coat or by scarfing in and patching the cracks, otherwise they will tend to show through the paint eventually.  As to restoring the lost surface roughness when the faux teak timber is sanded down,  my plan is to use Awlgrip ( over the 545 Awlgrip primer) in a cream colour, thickened with the right amount of colonial silica + pro cure due to the coating thickness.  With some practice, you can find just the right mixture and roller technique to create a textured finish that is the best nonskid when wet that I have come across bar none.  The last boat that I did with the technique was done in 2000 and still looks great.  The colloidal flattens the shine on the paint which cuts glare a lot and the flatness also help with the grip.  The only downside is that the paint will stain more easily since it is more porous due to the additive. I would like to paint the grooves with a darker colour to retain the faux teak look.  By all means avoid the Awlgrip non-skid additives, especially the extra coarse.  The additive is a plastic that the paint does not adhere to well so after a few years the paint chips off the points sticking up and you end up walking on slippery points of plastic!

James Alton
SV,  Sueno, Maramu #220

On Apr 24, 2017, at 9:58 AM, dennis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks John. I'm wondering if weathering of the faux timber deck on Pegasus is a rare occurrence given the limited response to my question?


I'm interested to hear the glass bead and sugar suggestion from you and Bill but am inclined to think that any form of sanding and painting will affect both the faux timber appearance and grip.

Is it heresy to replace the faux decking with a synthetic product?  Bill Kinney mentioned Treadmaster and I noted they have a product that might serve as a replacement look-alike if I decide to sand off the faux timber ... https://www.treadmaster.co.uk/products/treadmaster-atlanteak-tkw . Are there any similar products that owners have had experience with? 



Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Oh I just realized that at some point we started talking about the jib furler, but my issue is actually with the main furler. Sorry for the confusion. My jib furler is fine. The one that's giving me trouble is the main.

Jacob Champness
Maramu #202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Dennis Campbell
 

Thanks for your comments Ian. The previous owner mentioned they used very little fuel on their last pacific crossing as the prop-driven alternator kept the batteries topped up.

By comparison our future travel plans will take us to some places where extended motoring is likely or necessary on occasions. I also prefer to keep the deck and lockers clear of jerries.

The question is where do you put the extra fuel without upsetting the trim of the boat or taking up other valuable storage space. I initially thought of sacrificing some of the freshwater storage capacity with a transfer pump to the main tank. I haven't heard yet how other Maramu owners have addressed this issue.



Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Oh I just your replies too, Olivier. I'll check on all this evening.

Thanks so much!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu construction photos

James Alton
 

Jacob,

   Many thanks for the link to the construction album for Lark.  It was amazing to see some of the construction details.  The large overlap of the glass on to the structural bulkheads, the fact that glass strips were placed between the hull and deck seam.  The photos also show which bits of deck hardware have backing plates etc… there is a wealth of information,  I have saved the link!  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Apr 24, 2017, at 9:55 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


You guys will probably enjoy this.  It's an album of pictures taken by the original owner of our Maramu during its construction: https://goo.gl/photos/J3kbowQF7FBxrXVDA .


Jacob Champness

Maramu 202 - Lark


St. Martin





Re: Deck restoration question

Dennis Campbell
 

Thanks John. I'm wondering if weathering of the faux timber deck on Pegasus is a rare occurrence given the limited response to my question?

I'm interested to hear the glass bead and sugar suggestion from you and Bill but am inclined to think that any form of sanding and painting will affect both the faux timber appearance and grip.

Is it heresy to replace the faux decking with a synthetic product?  Bill Kinney mentioned Treadmaster and I noted they have a product that might serve as a replacement look-alike if I decide to sand off the faux timber ... https://www.treadmaster.co.uk/products/treadmaster-atlanteak-tkw . Are there any similar products that owners have had experience with? 


Maramu construction photos

Jacob Champness
 

You guys will probably enjoy this.  It's an album of pictures taken by the original owner of our Maramu during its construction: https://goo.gl/photos/J3kbowQF7FBxrXVDA .


Jacob Champness

Maramu 202 - Lark

St. Martin



Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Ok, interesting.  Thanks Joel.

I'll take some pictures of that and post them. Our boat was built from Dec 1985 to May 1986, launched May 16, 1986.  Olivier did our survey. He did mention that the brushes probably need cleaning, so that may be a factor.

Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Jacob,

you have the furler model that was installed on the late Santorin. In order to use the manual furler, lift the locking pin on top of the furelr's pulley. If your genoa sheets are tight, you may not be able to lift this pin, so, ease the sheets first...

Good luck.

Olivier


On Monday, April 24, 2017 3:44 PM, Beaute Olivier wrote:


Hello Jacob,

the solenoids for the genoa furler are in the front cabin, in the top portside cabinet. They are marked "FOC" which means "JIB". They are mounted aside the windlass solenoids.
The breaker for both the genoa furler and the windlass is located in the passage way, above the 4 position battery main switch.
This breaker is labeled "GUINDEAU- ROLLFOCK" which means windlass-jib furler.
Here are both pictures of YOUR solenoids and breaker (one is rather dark).
If you don't get them, I'll send them with another e-mail address.
When the breaker is OFF, the solenoids still click. So, check first the click noise in both ways (furling/unfurling). If there is no click, that means the breaker protecting the cockpit controls is OFF.
Concerning the solenoids, you will see that there is a rubber cap with a push knob underneath. If you push, you should hear the motor rotating (as long as the breaker in the passage way is ON). Does your windlass work? If so, this means the power gets to the solenoids but does not come out, OR that the motor's carbon brushes need replacement.

Do these checks and come back to me. Be a little patient as I'm not full time behind my computer screen (but rather out in the sun...).

Good luck.

Joel, I did the survey of Jacob's Maramu (N°202 / 1986).

Olivier.


On Monday, April 24, 2017 2:52 PM, "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
A click from the solenoids with no action usually means the breaker has opened not allowing the electricity to the furling motor. As there were three major evolutions of the main sail furling system on the 46/48 Maramu, if you could post or send me directly several pictures of the furling motor and related gear mounted on the main mast, I can tell you how to configure the manual system. Other than a rudimentary set of basic information, there was no comprehensive manual on the 46/48 Maramu. What is the production year of your boat? Who surveyed the boat for you?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Apr 24, 2017, at 8:03 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Eric.

Thanks for that.  I'll check there.  So that would be all the way forward in the v-berth?  I know there are some solenoids up there for the windlass.  

Ours is an old Maramu, by the way, so not certain if it would be the same as on your Super?

I'd love to drop by.  I'll be working online with my west coast colleagues until 5, so will try our luck with traffic after that.  Not sure how you'd feel about my 6 and 9 year-olds tagging along?  

Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Jacob,

the solenoids for the genoa furler are in the front cabin, in the top portside cabinet. They are marked "FOC" which means "JIB". They are mounted aside the windlass solenoids.
The breaker for both the genoa furler and the windlass is located in the passage way, above the 4 position battery main switch.
This breaker is labeled "GUINDEAU- ROLLFOCK" which means windlass-jib furler.
Here are both pictures of YOUR solenoids and breaker (one is rather dark).
If you don't get them, I'll send them with another e-mail address.
When the breaker is OFF, the solenoids still click. So, check first the click noise in both ways (furling/unfurling). If there is no click, that means the breaker protecting the cockpit controls is OFF.
Concerning the solenoids, you will see that there is a rubber cap with a push knob underneath. If you push, you should hear the motor rotating (as long as the breaker in the passage way is ON). Does your windlass work? If so, this means the power gets to the solenoids but does not come out, OR that the motor's carbon brushes need replacement.

Do these checks and come back to me. Be a little patient as I'm not full time behind my computer screen (but rather out in the sun...).

Good luck.

Joel, I did the survey of Jacob's Maramu (N°202 / 1986).

Olivier.


On Monday, April 24, 2017 2:52 PM, "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
A click from the solenoids with no action usually means the breaker has opened not allowing the electricity to the furling motor. As there were three major evolutions of the main sail furling system on the 46/48 Maramu, if you could post or send me directly several pictures of the furling motor and related gear mounted on the main mast, I can tell you how to configure the manual system. Other than a rudimentary set of basic information, there was no comprehensive manual on the 46/48 Maramu. What is the production year of your boat? Who surveyed the boat for you?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Apr 24, 2017, at 8:03 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Eric.

Thanks for that.  I'll check there.  So that would be all the way forward in the v-berth?  I know there are some solenoids up there for the windlass.  

Ours is an old Maramu, by the way, so not certain if it would be the same as on your Super?

I'd love to drop by.  I'll be working online with my west coast colleagues until 5, so will try our luck with traffic after that.  Not sure how you'd feel about my 6 and 9 year-olds tagging along?  

Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin



Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks Bob, I'll double check that.

Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin