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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Adding Bilge area pumping Capacity

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mohammad,

You should not worry at all. AND, you should not change what you have. I know that you know this and you must have had someone else ask you.

With the Amel watertight system, seawater will never make it to the engine room, unless the breach occurs in a very small area of about 8 square feet of the hull on the port side near the motor and generator exhaust and watermaker and gray water bilge outlet. The watertight storage locker on the Port side protects most of the port side engine room from a breach. Your engine room is watertight. And the gray water bilge pump is rated at 75L/minute, which is more water than your main engine pumps through its sea water pump, and more water than a fast flowing dock water hose. Additionally, you have another hand pump rated at 75L/minute.

Additionally, the saltwater pump on your engine could easily become air locked, or worse damaged because it would likely find air when sucking the water.

Don't do it. Think through what you have.

If you have a hull breach on the bow anywhere forward of the forward watertight bulkhead, close and batten the watertight door and seek port. The same thing anywhere Aft of that door to the Aft watertight door. Close and batten those doors and you are fine...you can finish crossing the ocean and in the next port seek repairs

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:56 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Every one;


I've always had a concern about keeping up with pumping out the bilge area water in case of any type of breach in the hull, thru hulls, etc. The current pump capacity would be overwhelmed by even a minor breach. Although the water tight bulkheads will prevent most events that would lead to sinking of other boats, flooding a compartment does lead to significant other damage that may be preventable, given added time to diagnose and correct any breaches.


There are several existing pumping capabilities in the engine room. They are engine raw water cooling, generator raw water cooling, anchor wash, refrigerator and A/C pumps. Some of these, e.g. the main engine raw water cooling, can pump an enormous amount of water at high RPMS. Also the amount of the pumping can be adjusted by adjustments in the main engine throttle setting. 


One option I was looki ng at was to add an inlet to the raw water distribution manifold and use that as a secondary pickup (installed somewhere in the bilge area) with a shutoff valve. When needed, the main raw water thru hull can be closed, this added valve could be opened and any of the other pumps in the engine room could be turned on to add pumping capacity.


I would like to hear if others have put any added pumping capacity and all opinions about my proposed solution.


Thank you


Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Craig Briggs
 

Christopher (or is it Grover Cleveland?),
Good that you will be learning more about Amels. The deck is not a separate material. It is the fiberglass of the deck structure with the gelcoat textured by the mold. Hence, it is not something one can replace.
Craig, SN68


Re: Adding Bilge area pumping Capacity

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 


I would not make any changes to the whole system. 
If you look for a emergency bilge pump  I have a Honda WH15 -transportable,  independent from electricity. 

Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 #162



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Sounds good Stephen!

See you then.


Adding Bilge area pumping Capacity

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Every one;


I've always had a concern about keeping up with pumping out the bilge area water in case of any type of breach in the hull, thru hulls, etc. The current pump capacity would be overwhelmed by even a minor breach. Although the water tight bulkheads will prevent most events that would lead to sinking of other boats, flooding a compartment does lead to significant other damage that may be preventable, given added time to diagnose and correct any breaches.


There are several existing pumping capabilities in the engine room. They are engine raw water cooling, generator raw water cooling, anchor wash, refrigerator and A/C pumps. Some of these, e.g. the main engine raw water cooling, can pump an enormous amount of water at high RPMS. Also the amount of the pumping can be adjusted by adjustments in the main engine throttle setting. 


One option I was looking at was to add an inlet to the raw water distribution manifold and use that as a secondary pickup (installed somewhere in the bilge area) with a shutoff valve. When needed, the main raw water thru hull can be closed, this added valve could be opened and any of the other pumps in the engine room could be turned on to add pumping capacity.


I would like to hear if others have put any added pumping capacity and all opinions about my proposed solution.


Thank you


Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Grover Cleveland <thegrovitron@...>
 

Oops I sent my last email before I had a chance to ask my question. In regards to refinishing the deck for traction and visual appeal. Is there a way one can contact the Amel company and find out what products they make/use and how they installed the decking? So an owner can do the same. Versus trying to come up with cleaver fixes. Is it that they don't make the products any more? Or proprietary secret? Or simply just to expensive? 


On Apr 24, 2017, at 08:32, dennis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've been looking at some of the synthetic decking products and will probably go down that path if all else fails.

The worst cracking is around the cockpit area and in some areas the faux 'caulking' has also flaked out. Before I do anything drastic I saw that treadmaster have a restoration product that might rejuvenate the faux timber without 'smoothing out' the timber grain finish or compromising grip. I'm going to look into this option further.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Grover Cleveland <thegrovitron@...>
 

Hello I am Christopher and new to this fantastic forum. I am not yet an owner BUT I am shopping for my very own Amel. So with that said I try and not miss a signal post/discussion that is posted. Trying to learn and understand before I buy a my cruiser. 

  With that said I have been reading a lot about the decking and refinishing for refurbished traction and appearance. Please excuse my ignorance but is there a way people can 


On Apr 24, 2017, at 08:32, dennis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've been looking at some of the synthetic decking products and will probably go down that path if all else fails.

The worst cracking is around the cockpit area and in some areas the faux 'caulking' has also flaked out. Before I do anything drastic I saw that treadmaster have a restoration product that might rejuvenate the faux timber without 'smoothing out' the timber grain finish or compromising grip. I'm going to look into this option further.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Jacob,

We just flew back to St Maarten last night, and will see you tomorrow evening at Lagoonies. There should be several of us there, and we can put our heads together to figure it out. If still having problems with it, I'm happy to come by on Wednesday to help you sort it out. By the way, if you are at Island Water World at Cole Bay, feel free to stop by and have a beer. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
St Maarten 

On Apr 23, 2017, at 22:15, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone know someone who can help sort out issues with the furler on our new-to-us Maramu in St Martin? It worked well during our sea-trial, but is now stuck furled to within about 1 meter of closed.   Neither the manual nor the power furler seems to be able to budge it either in or out.  Any more experienced Amel folk in the vicinity able to swing by and take look?  I'd definitely owe you a beer or 6...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

eric freedman
 


Re: Deck restoration question

dennis@...
 

I've been looking at some of the synthetic decking products and will probably go down that path if all else fails.
The worst cracking is around the cockpit area and in some areas the faux 'caulking' has also flaked out. Before I do anything drastic I saw that treadmaster have a restoration product that might rejuvenate the faux timber without 'smoothing out' the timber grain finish or compromising grip. I'm going to look into this option further.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

John Clark
 

Nice Ric,
   I too have the prop generator.  Have you had any issues with additional wear on the c drive,  or transmission?

John Clark
Vent de Soleil  SM 37
Simpson Bay SXM

On Apr 24, 2017 12:15 PM, "Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I can recount many voyages where fuel was a worry. Most, however, were deliveries trying to get from A-B in the shortest time. Most notable was a Palmer 72 with twin 120HP engines plus generator which required a Gale to sail We motored from Cape Verde (fuel stop) to Barbados.

But you and I have an Amel. To answer your question, I don’t like fuel or anything on deck and have stowed fuel in the aft lazerette of my Santorin. I did add 2-35gal aux. tanks in the stern. Both have separate fills and a two way  fuel transfer pump in the engine room. Slick. Out of trim? Yes, for awhile, but beats hustling jerry cans.  I don’t miss the space. Gave many cans away. Bottom line is that I did not need that much fuel. I also have the prop generator. I also found that if you buy several cases of cheap rum in Tortola and stow it in the v-berth it trims out the boat nicely for the trip back to Annapolis.

Ric Gottschalk
SN 24 Bali Hai

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

 

 

Thanks for your comments Ian. The previous owner mentioned they used very little fuel on their last pacific crossing as the prop-driven alternator kept the batteries topped up.

 

By comparison our future travel plans will take us to some places where extended motoring is likely or necessary on occasions. I also prefer to keep the deck and lockers clear of jerries.

 

The question is where do you put the extra fuel without upsetting the trim of the boat or taking up other valuable storage space. I initially thought of sacrificing some of the freshwater storage capacity with a transfer pump to the main tank. I haven't heard yet how other Maramu owners have addressed this issue.

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I can recount many voyages where fuel was a worry. Most, however, were deliveries trying to get from A-B in the shortest time. Most notable was a Palmer 72 with twin 120HP engines plus generator which required a Gale to sail We motored from Cape Verde (fuel stop) to Barbados.

But you and I have an Amel. To answer your question, I don’t like fuel or anything on deck and have stowed fuel in the aft lazerette of my Santorin. I did add 2-35gal aux. tanks in the stern. Both have separate fills and a two way  fuel transfer pump in the engine room. Slick. Out of trim? Yes, for awhile, but beats hustling jerry cans.  I don’t miss the space. Gave many cans away. Bottom line is that I did not need that much fuel. I also have the prop generator. I also found that if you buy several cases of cheap rum in Tortola and stow it in the v-berth it trims out the boat nicely for the trip back to Annapolis.

Ric Gottschalk
SN 24 Bali Hai

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

 

 

Thanks for your comments Ian. The previous owner mentioned they used very little fuel on their last pacific crossing as the prop-driven alternator kept the batteries topped up.

 

By comparison our future travel plans will take us to some places where extended motoring is likely or necessary on occasions. I also prefer to keep the deck and lockers clear of jerries.

 

The question is where do you put the extra fuel without upsetting the trim of the boat or taking up other valuable storage space. I initially thought of sacrificing some of the freshwater storage capacity with a transfer pump to the main tank. I haven't heard yet how other Maramu owners have addressed this issue.

 

 


Re: Maramu construction photos

Jacob Champness
 

I'd love to see that if you come across it again...



Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Sweet!  See you then.  


Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

I do remember that you identified that now, Olivier, thanks for the reminder.  This old girl has so many needs that I'd forgotten that one!  I'll try your suggestions and report back.

Thanks again!
Jacob Champness
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door

Patrick McAneny
 

I thought I would let the group know that after a lot of time , I finally found a source of veneer . From a company called Band-It , they sell through dealers , even Ace Hardware. I bought a 24"x 96" for $48.00 . The thickness is about 1/32 " which is thin enough to fit between the door and the frame.Pat SM#123


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From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door

 
Danny, What thickness of veneer did you use ? Did you just cut it slightly wider and slide it in under the side rails. Hope all is well down there.
Thanks,
Pat SM #123


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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door [5 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from danny included below]
I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

John Clark
 

Cool beans,  will try to catch you in am.

On Apr 24, 2017 11:35 AM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi John.


Lark is at the Geminga yard on the French side.  Unfortunately I won't be at the boat until later in the evening.  Would love meet up though.  I'll be there this evening and in the morning if you are in the area.  

Thanks so much!
Jacob
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu mainsail furling issues

amelforme
 

Hi Jacob and I can see from your photos that you have the later style masts and furling which is good. Much better than the earlier system. As always, Olivier is correct in telling you where all the switches are and how to manually furl the main and check the brushes. Good luck with it all.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:33 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oh I just realized that at some point we started talking about the jib furler, but my issue is actually with the main furler. Sorry for the confusion. My jib furler is fine. The one that's giving me trouble is the main.

Jacob Champness
Maramu #202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

Jacob Champness
 

Hi John.

Lark is at the Geminga yard on the French side.  Unfortunately I won't be at the boat until later in the evening.  Would love meet up though.  I'll be there this evening and in the morning if you are in the area.  

Thanks so much!
Jacob
Maramu 202 - Lark
St. Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu mainsail furling issues

John Clark
 

Hi Jacob,  I just left Budget Marine in Simpson Bay.  Am getting a beer mulling over a quote.   Where are you, I might be able to dinghy over.

John Clark
SV Vent de Soleil. SM 37
Simpson Bay SXM


On Apr 23, 2017 10:16 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone know someone who can help sort out issues with the furler on our new-to-us Maramu in St Martin? It worked well during our sea-trial, but is now stuck furled to within about 1 meter of closed.   Neither the manual nor the power furler seems to be able to budge it either in or out.  Any more experienced Amel folk in the vicinity able to swing by and take look?  I'd definitely owe you a beer or 6...