How did the propane project go. Stargazer will need new sysetem in
the next 30 days

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., wbs9971@a... wrote:

Thanks for the response. I assume you installed the Optima

starting battery

in the engine room under the selector switch. As for the propane

line, we

are going to run the line sometime next week. I'll let you know

how we route

it. I am going to move the solenoid shut-off valve to the aft

locker also

for safety reasons.

...Tom

I would be very interested to know the details of your
improvements. I have #308. This winter I intend to
raise the fixed dodger by 50 mm (so one can actually
have a clear line of vision forward) and to replace
the plexi windscreen windows with properly built SS
frames, divided windows with the outboard 2 opening,
glass in the place of plexi. I think the engineering
can be very clean and minimally "invasive". The final
profile will be little altered, more pleasing I think,
and far more practical. I liked the helm seat on my
old Maramu better, and intend to cut away the left
arm-rest on the standard SM helm. I look forward to
your details. Thank you. Claude Roessiger
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Super Maramu No 319 Bali Hai is in the marina at Ay
Nicholau and we hope to
rejoin her there about 8 August. We have made a
number of "improvements"
including an excellent helmsmans seat ,owners
bunk,navigators seat
etc..Good cockpit table to be installed when we
return.We should be very
happy to show you these if you are interested.
Incidentally we think you spoke with my wife Anne
when we were in Hania.

Regards John
Hollamby

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Super Maramu No 319 Bali Hai is in the marina at Ay Nicholau and we hope to
rejoin her there about 8 August. We have made a number of "improvements"
including an excellent helmsmans seat ,owners bunk,navigators seat
etc..Good cockpit table to be installed when we return.We should be very
happy to show you these if you are interested.
Incidentally we think you spoke with my wife Anne when we were in Hania.

Regards John Hollamby

Hi, Steve,
I had Maramu #29 from 1985-2000, when I bought a
SuperMaramu. The old Maramu proved rock solid and gave
us 15 fantastic years with absolutely minimal
maintenance. It was no doubt a plus that #29 had been
Mr. Amel's personal boat and maintained by the yard
when I bought her used in '85. I felt I got a "new"
boat. If your #25 was equally well maintained, you
should have some good luck. Over the years we did very
few upgrades. We did have the Nirvana furling for the
headsail, which the old boats didn't have. We changed
the wiring for the diesel cabin heater (greatly
simplifying it) and thereafter it ran pefectly,
whereas prior to that it was shaky at best. The diesel
was fantastic: Never, never missed a beat.
Mechanically this boat was totally solid. We had the
normal maintenance items (new plexi for windows, etc.)
but overall remarkably little. The boat was kept in
northern waters, thus avoided the killing sun of the
hotter areas, but on the other hand spent very cold,
icy, snowy winters exposed and did not suffer visibly
for it. Overall, an extraordinary boat. Do check
carefully the condition of the masts/booms and
rigging. We had a sudden/total boom failure in '99
which doubtless was our inadvertance: we believed the
boat indestructible and did not properly check these
things anymore. Best of luck. Claude Roessiger
--- Steve Hoefel <hoefels@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,
I recent purchased an Amel Maramu, hull #25. She
has been well kept and
continuously upgraded by her previous owner. The
boat is currently in
transit to my location on the island of Crete,
Greece. I look forward to
exchanging ideas and information with the other
members of the group. My
name is Steve and look forward to getting to know
eachof you. Until then,
fair winds and good anchorages. Steve

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I recent purchased an Amel Maramu, hull #25. She has been well kept and continuously upgraded by her previous owner. The boat is currently in transit to my location on the island of Crete, Greece. I look forward to exchanging ideas and information with the other members of the group. My name is Steve and look forward to getting to know eachof you. Until then, fair winds and good anchorages. Steve



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ARNOLD, THANKS FOR THE REPLY. ACTUALLY I WAS NEVER PLUGGED INTO SHORE
POWER WHILE @ NANNY CAY. THIS WAS BECAUSE OF 2 REASONS: THE FIRST IS
THE PLUG WASN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR OUTLETS (CAY DID CHANGE THIS TO
THEIR OUTLET CONFIGURATION. THE SECOND REASON IS THAT THERE WEREN'T
ANY POWERED UP 220 VOLT OUTLETS ON MY DOCK! THERE IS A 3RD REASON, I
WAS ONLY THERE FOR 3 NIGHTS ANYWAY. SO, BOTTOM LINE IT WASN'T DUE TO
IMPROPER SHORE POWER AT LEAST NOT AT NANNY CAY. IN FACT I SPENT LESS
THAN 7 DAYS ON BOARD AT ANY MARINA EXCEPT IN LAROCHELLE WHICH WAS A
WEEK. WHEN I LEFT THE BOAT I DISCONNECTED SHORE POWER AND SHUT BOTH
BATTERY SWITCHES OFF! I'M PERPLEXED, I TRUST THAT AMEL & POCHON
(THEIR ELECTRONICS TECH) WILL FIND AND CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
THANKS,
JOHN FOLINO--- In amelyachtowners@y..., pagandaisy <no_reply@y...>
wrote:

Were you plugged into shore power the entire time you were in Nanny
Cay? What about the zincs on the rudder? I know Nanny Cay well
having been in there for years. On more than one occasion I
encountered problems with the on shore power: loss of ground,
reversed polarity. Do you have a transformer as part of your
electrical system to step up from 120 to 240 volts? I believe mine
saved me from electrolisis more than once. Incidentally (and off

the

record)don't depend upon Cay Electronics. Arnold


--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "jfolino901" <jfolino901@y...> wrote:

MY NEW SM #347 HAS SPENT A TOTAL TIME OF 5 MONTHS IN THE WATER

FROM

HER LAUNCH SATE LAST OCTOBER TO BEING HAULED OUT IN LATE MARCH OF
THIS YEAR. DURING THAT TIME SHE WAS BERTHED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT

THE

AMEL FLOAT IN LAROCHELLE. THEN FOR 2 MONTHS IN LAGOS, PORTUGAL.
FINALLY 1 MONTH @ NANNY CAY, TORTOLA. AFTER HAULING OUT I NOTICED
CONSIDERABLE ELECTROLYSIS TO THE PROP, ROPE CUTTER & THE BOTTOM

PAINT

FLAKING OFF AND THE ZINCS ALMOST TOTALLY DISOLVED. OF THIS 5

MONTH

TIME, FULLY 30 DAYS WERE SPENT SAILING FROM FRANCE TO PORTUGAL

THEN

TO THE CARIBBEAN!
AMEL TO THEIR CREDIT SENT A CREW TO INVESTIGATE THE PROBLEM, IN

FACT

THEY ARE RETURNING TO MY BOAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO FAR NO

CAUSE

HAS BEEN REPORTED TO ME! I MADE NO CHANGES TO THE BOAT DURING THE
SHORT WHILE I WAS ON THE BOAT. NO OTHER ADJACENT BOAT AT ANY OF

THE

MARINAS REPORTED ANY SIMILAR PROBLEMS REGARDING ELECTROLYSIS. ANY
COMMENTS?
JOHN FOLINO (SULAJON)

Were you plugged into shore power the entire time you were in Nanny
Cay? What about the zincs on the rudder? I know Nanny Cay well
having been in there for years. On more than one occasion I
encountered problems with the on shore power: loss of ground,
reversed polarity. Do you have a transformer as part of your
electrical system to step up from 120 to 240 volts? I believe mine
saved me from electrolisis more than once. Incidentally (and off the
record)don't depend upon Cay Electronics. Arnold


--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "jfolino901" <jfolino901@y...> wrote:

MY NEW SM #347 HAS SPENT A TOTAL TIME OF 5 MONTHS IN THE WATER FROM
HER LAUNCH SATE LAST OCTOBER TO BEING HAULED OUT IN LATE MARCH OF
THIS YEAR. DURING THAT TIME SHE WAS BERTHED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT

THE

AMEL FLOAT IN LAROCHELLE. THEN FOR 2 MONTHS IN LAGOS, PORTUGAL.
FINALLY 1 MONTH @ NANNY CAY, TORTOLA. AFTER HAULING OUT I NOTICED
CONSIDERABLE ELECTROLYSIS TO THE PROP, ROPE CUTTER & THE BOTTOM

PAINT

FLAKING OFF AND THE ZINCS ALMOST TOTALLY DISOLVED. OF THIS 5 MONTH
TIME, FULLY 30 DAYS WERE SPENT SAILING FROM FRANCE TO PORTUGAL THEN
TO THE CARIBBEAN!
AMEL TO THEIR CREDIT SENT A CREW TO INVESTIGATE THE PROBLEM, IN

FACT

THEY ARE RETURNING TO MY BOAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO FAR NO CAUSE
HAS BEEN REPORTED TO ME! I MADE NO CHANGES TO THE BOAT DURING THE
SHORT WHILE I WAS ON THE BOAT. NO OTHER ADJACENT BOAT AT ANY OF THE
MARINAS REPORTED ANY SIMILAR PROBLEMS REGARDING ELECTROLYSIS. ANY
COMMENTS?
JOHN FOLINO (SULAJON)

I don't understand how anyone could have any problems

dealing with m.

Selo. I've been doing so for as long as I've had Amel's, almost

20

years, with nothing but first class service.

I agree absolutely with you.. Owner of "THOSCA" a Mango since
1994 actually in Turquey, i never seen a so friendly and well
informed person in the industry, this man know each part of your
boat and the way to repare it !!!
I want publicly thank him here.

Fred Sochat

MY NEW SM #347 HAS SPENT A TOTAL TIME OF 5 MONTHS IN THE WATER FROM
HER LAUNCH SATE LAST OCTOBER TO BEING HAULED OUT IN LATE MARCH OF
THIS YEAR. DURING THAT TIME SHE WAS BERTHED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT THE
AMEL FLOAT IN LAROCHELLE. THEN FOR 2 MONTHS IN LAGOS, PORTUGAL.
FINALLY 1 MONTH @ NANNY CAY, TORTOLA. AFTER HAULING OUT I NOTICED
CONSIDERABLE ELECTROLYSIS TO THE PROP, ROPE CUTTER & THE BOTTOM PAINT
FLAKING OFF AND THE ZINCS ALMOST TOTALLY DISOLVED. OF THIS 5 MONTH
TIME, FULLY 30 DAYS WERE SPENT SAILING FROM FRANCE TO PORTUGAL THEN
TO THE CARIBBEAN!
AMEL TO THEIR CREDIT SENT A CREW TO INVESTIGATE THE PROBLEM, IN FACT
THEY ARE RETURNING TO MY BOAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO FAR NO CAUSE
HAS BEEN REPORTED TO ME! I MADE NO CHANGES TO THE BOAT DURING THE
SHORT WHILE I WAS ON THE BOAT. NO OTHER ADJACENT BOAT AT ANY OF THE
MARINAS REPORTED ANY SIMILAR PROBLEMS REGARDING ELECTROLYSIS. ANY
COMMENTS?
JOHN FOLINO (SULAJON)

Hi. I am Swiss. I have heard similar difficulties from
other Swiss, although the reports have been very
variable, depending on where in the E.U. they may be.
You might want to consider an alternative, to form an
offshore corporation, for example in the British
Virgin Islands, and to have the boat registered there.
This lets you navigate under the "Red Ensign" as a
fully British Ship, but not subject to the E.U. This
said, I have read (rumors & hearsay I think) that some
E.U. authorities try to go after ALL non-E.U. vessels
to see what VAT they can get. I think you should have
the benefit of professional counsel regarding this,
not private opinions. It is worth doing right from the
beginning.
--- rita_zanola2002 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello to you,

We will get our SM 2000 next spring.
As discussed in Larochelle, we have been told, that
we as suiss
with swiss- registration, do not have to pay VAT.

It sounds good, but from diffrent places, we have
heard, that we will
have to pay the VAT, as soon as we will enter the EU
in the Med.

Are among you any swiss, who have the experience
in this matter an
could advise us ?

Would be glad if anyone contact us , first by Mail
at
R.Zanola@t-online.de

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Hello to you,

We will get our SM 2000 next spring.
As discussed in Larochelle, we have been told, that we as suiss
with swiss- registration, do not have to pay VAT.

It sounds good, but from diffrent places, we have heard, that we will
have to pay the VAT, as soon as we will enter the EU in the Med.

Are among you any swiss, who have the experience in this matter an
could advise us ?

Would be glad if anyone contact us , first by Mail at
R.Zanola@t-online.de

I cannot tell you how the Super-Maramu will do with
osmosis, having one which is only 2 years old, but I
had an Amel Maramu for 21 years without any hint of
osmosis. So, unless Amel have changed their process, I
would say this is not a concern. Regarding your other
questions I cannot say. I had no problems with
electrolysis on the Maramu, and I don't expect any on
the SM. The Maramu was similarly protected as the SM.
If I can be otherwise helpful please tell me. Regards,
Claude Roessiger
--- davidcrisp <david@familycrisp.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Am in the process of buying my first Amel - a 1995
Super Maramu. Have
just had the survey results back and it prompts some
questions.

(1) The surveyor found moisture readings of 20% in
the below water
line hull vs 5% above water line (Sovereign relative
scale not
actually 20% by content). This is high by by normal
standards but
something he has found in all 7 Amels he has
surveyed.
Anyone know why the moisture is so high? Is it an
issue? Are Amels
prone to osmosis and or blistering?

The epoxy coating on the hull which contains copper
- am I correct in
thinking this is more for antifouling than water
proofing since the
moisture readings are so high?

(2) There are only zincs on the rudder and
propellor. It seems odd
that there are no zincs on the cast iron keel. Is
it common to add
more zincs to the keel in these days of 'hot
marinas".

(3) The keel/hull join is faired in and painted over
with epoxy.
With movement of the keel and electrolysis this
paint has flaked off
and the keel is slightly corroded. What is the norm
for refinishing
keels? Maybe flexible sealer at the hull join
instead of filler and
then zinc primer and antifouling on cast iron keel?

Are there any other things to watch out for on
Amels? Are there any
standard improvemtns owners make (e.g. I note there
are no
sacrificial UV strips on the sails).

Regards
David

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Hi all,

Am in the process of buying my first Amel - a 1995 Super Maramu. Have
just had the survey results back and it prompts some questions.

(1) The surveyor found moisture readings of 20% in the below water
line hull vs 5% above water line (Sovereign relative scale not
actually 20% by content). This is high by by normal standards but
something he has found in all 7 Amels he has surveyed.
Anyone know why the moisture is so high? Is it an issue? Are Amels
prone to osmosis and or blistering?

The epoxy coating on the hull which contains copper - am I correct in
thinking this is more for antifouling than water proofing since the
moisture readings are so high?

(2) There are only zincs on the rudder and propellor. It seems odd
that there are no zincs on the cast iron keel. Is it common to add
more zincs to the keel in these days of 'hot marinas".

(3) The keel/hull join is faired in and painted over with epoxy.
With movement of the keel and electrolysis this paint has flaked off
and the keel is slightly corroded. What is the norm for refinishing
keels? Maybe flexible sealer at the hull join instead of filler and
then zinc primer and antifouling on cast iron keel?

Are there any other things to watch out for on Amels? Are there any
standard improvemtns owners make (e.g. I note there are no
sacrificial UV strips on the sails).

Regards
David

Hello people!

For mentioned boattype I'm desperately looking for photos and specs!
If you feel you can help,please do not hesitate to contact me on
LAUWRENCE.R@PLANET.NL

Thanks a million in advance!

Lauwrence Robinson
The Netherlands

Hi!

I have some photos of an used Krk just from outside, and a pdf
with some technical information of another used one.

Why are you looking for?

Regards

Geza Szabo

Because in Italy, although the yards Amel are very known, there are not a lot of information. I am trying of to appraise the acquisition of an used and before contacting the person of the announcement that I have read, I wanted to inform me on the model. Really last night after having sent the message to the group I have found a site with a document pdf (http://www.bluenautic.com/files/BN74.pdf), but more news and photo I succeed in recovering better it is...

Hi I'm Carmen from Italy.
I am looking for some information, even detailed by photo, on the
model kirk of the yard Amel.
There be for case someone who can help me!

Thanking you in advance...
a regard to everybody.

Carmen

Hi I'm Carmen from Italy.
I am looking for some information, even detailed by photo, on the
model kirk of the yard Amel.
There be for case someone who can help me!

Thanking you in advance...
a regard to everybody.

Carmen

--- In amelyachtowners@y..., "John & Ruth Martin" <jjmartin24@h...>
wrote:

Hello All

We hopefully will soon be owners of a 1999 Super Maramu currently

lying in

La Rochelle. Assuming closing goes as planned in July, we plan to

start

moving her southward in August towards the Canaries and cross over

to the

Caribbean in November. Does anyone have any personal knowledge of

good

cruising areas in the Bay of Biscay, north coast Spain, or

Portugal ? Are

the Imray Lorrie cruising guides pretty good ? We may need to leave

her for

a month or so, can anyone recommend a reasonably economical and

safe

harbor/marina in Portugal ?

Thanks alot

John & Ruth Martin


We sailed over several years ago via La Coruna and Madeira. The

guide that Amel provided with the boat was excellent for France and
the Bay of Biscay (Gascoyne to the French). We had an excellent
guide to Spain and Portugal La Coruna to Gibralter. Actually the
title. Fortunately we didn't need it. Excellent French charts are
available in La Rochelle. Those for Portugal and onward in La
Coruna. A decent marina is inside the wall in La Coruna. I'd
suggest you call ahead. I wouldn't be afraid to leave a boat there.
Anything else we can help you with, just write.
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